hiatus EditionStubbed >>25601379>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLYRecommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopiit's peak
Worm's finally getting an adaptation. It's IDW but I'm not very worried due to the fact Wildbow is on record for being profoundly autistic with his adaptation requirements.
>>25615905holy shit she is ugly
>>25615905>New material for "fans" who only read worm fanfiction to sink their teeth intoLooking bright
>>25615930I thought she didn't look ugly enough but then I remembered she's supposed to be plain looking
>>25615905>>25615930yup she looks like she fucks black dudes (canon) or lesbians (fanfic)
>>25615977>imagine knowing thismutt's law
>>25615982I remember it because I recall Grue being the most normal person in that entire group and Taylor trying to get turd-dick while the poor fucking guy was traumatized so hard he got new superpowers. It was the moment that cemented in me that Wildbow knew how to write women because that was a uniquely womanly evil.
>>25615905>>25615930>>25615956>coalburnerHoly fuck RIP
>>25615930She looks like an adult
>>25616124It's not a big deal if they appropriately depict her as a horrible person because she's a batshit insane teenager. I'm worried they will forget that part, though.
>>25615905>>25615930here's the articles about it: https://parahumans.wordpress.com/2026/10/27/worm-is-getting-a-2027-comic-adaptation-with-idw-publishing/ https://gizmodo.com/groundbreaking-web-serial-worm-is-becoming-a-comic-book-exclusive-2000830772
People like to joke about how webnovels are low effort literature, about how they are "Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues," but I can't for the life of me play the game like that, I need to know I did everything I can to make every individual chapter perfect in every way possible. It's exhausting, but worth it. Everyone should do their greatest effort when writing something with the intention of publishing and make patreon bucks. Why bother doing something if youre gonna do it wrong or sloppily?
>>25616340I took this same approach with mine (still am with my next project because I am mentally ill) and the issue is now you're putting all the effort of a novel into something as rapid-pace and pulp-economized as a web novel. This will fuck your brain up in the long run. You better be wolfing down 20mg of creatine daily just to undo the brain burn.
I can’t read or write normally anymore.The years of reading Japanese and Korean novels have completely fried my brain.I can't focus on long paragraphs. Heck, I find moving my eyes away from the left side of the screen to be exhausting.I want to be able to fix my sight on a certain point and read from top to bottom in one continuous scroll.That can't be healthy.But damn…It feels natural.It feels like home.Fuck.
>>25616340Take the moorcock approach.
>>25616378I'm actually optimistic about the process of creating a webnovel as a perfectionist, because as it becomes apparent that the readers aren't all perfectionists themselves and don't care whether the story is burger- or filette mignon-tier, the author can relax more and more.
>>25616407>Anon got mind broken AEEIIII
>>25616407Put on a pink skirt and stocking and be my girlfriend please.
>>25616340>It's exhausting, but worth it.Is it?
>>25616340I strive to be the best I can to make every chapter meaningful. I have a patreon but not using it in the usual grifting sense at all however, rather I just set it up as general support and state there's no advanced chapters, same with ko-fi. I don't write for money because I already have a daytime job and I don't want to strain myself with what I write that has no job security attached to it.I don't find writing exhausting at all, I can plan out, sketch out things at my own pace with at least a semblance schedule. >>25616411 has nailed it the most; couple that with the profound attitude that readerbases everywhere don't care if something is human made or not, so long as it's good. With that in mind, I'm just perfectly relaxed about the process as a whole and completely do things at my own -ace, double that with not being a chaibed ball slave to the market, I have no readers. I'm not bothered, thete's at least two people who still read it out of 70 botters/guestx that even that has decreased to 10. I write for the love of the craft and to write a compelling start to finish stand-alone story, but unironically.
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?
The only thing I care about from the Worm comic is more Amy.Will she cause more discourse once again? Or will she be changed up? She did NOTHING wrong and is best girl.
25616686retard bumping the thread with his ritual phrases like a wired up lab monkey, trying to keep the general alive while not realizing he's one of the biggest reasons it died.
>>25616804been doing it since 2019
kill!
>>25616340Same feeling here. I have a hard time writing anything but things important to the story (I include content that fleshes out characters in that category). I write something I'd want to read, and that's something that doesn't waste time with bullshit. If something doesn't have purpose, it doesn't get to stay just so I can bloat the word count.
[American brackets are so ugly.]【Literally anything is better.】『Anything.』«Anything.»
Who was in the wrong here?
>>25617263>Gemini_Generated_Image
>>25617263Fang Yaun says trans rights are human rights, and that those who cannot accept that will never transcend fate.
>>25617263Depends on your own beliefs
Hi. I am new to the webnovel scene, writing xianxia about hating yourself a whole lot and struggling to overcome people who hate you even more than you hate yourself. I am planning on smashing my face into royal road once I have enough of a backlog prepared. (Currently I have about 30 chapters but a lot of them are badly in need of an edit. I want to make sure that I start things off strong, even if I won't have time for constant editing if I start doing this for a living.) I'm reading the guides and learning a lot about how to market and hopefully make it to rising star- but I really really want someone to take a look at what I've got and tell me if I'm even remotely on the right track. I write a lot, but I've never (seriously) written cultivation/xianxia before this.If anyone would take a look, I'd be really pleased. Even if you just open it, read five sentences, and say "This is bad, I stopped reading because of [reason]" that would help a ton! Thank you.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NzSs11CpjA8uzLbTZOg2S9x46AhwcsGye3vItCIqIC8/edit?usp=sharingThank you!
>>25617397>writing xianxia >about hating yourselfPick one.
>>25617406ahhhh!! you may be joking, but this is actually invaluable feedback for me! Thank you!I was going for 'I am so cool, but my bloodline is tainted so everyone hates me, and that makes me sad'. But maybe I should tone down the self loathing. That's a good thing to consider!
>>25617397i only have experience reading translated webnovels from novelupdates and i didnt like what i saw in royal road so take my opinion with a grain of salt:its too monologue-y, too anecdotal, too.. personal.compared to what ive read: which is packaged and stale.. maybe RR audience is different but it takes effort for me to have read that first page, i had to think.the wns i read were stylistically indistinguishable from each other so i can blaze through 10 chapters to know if i like it or not. but while i could be intrigued by your interesting-factoid introduction, a part of my brain just tells me: why am i investing so much energy into something i normally just consoom (why bother? i know stories can be absolute dogshit or turn absolute dogshit or a plotline can come that i fucking hate, why cant i find the signal for it)
>>25617263Awesome images. Link to story?
>>25617432This is also really good feedback, thank you. I'm really *happy* with what I wrote in the first chapter, but I feel like it might be a stiff opening, yeah. One thing that I've considered is flipping the first and second chapters. (In fact, I already moved a later chapter and turned it into the current chapter two: because I wanted some action and murder to start us off.) Then we'd stay chronilogical, start with action, but also we'd get the opening of confessing to a bunch of murders. Which would hopefully make you want to know 'how did she get caught? who is she confessing to?'Either that, or maybe I will just trim down the opening monologue... Or move it much later into the story? I'm not sure.
>>25617397also, first person perspective: badits paradoxically less immersive than third person, the 'I's stand out.so my take is that i'd like it more formulaic (it would also be easier to write in the long run), less worldbuilding.
>>25617438take it with a grain of salt. you already wrote it. make it what you'd like to read it as - as a reader
>>25616340Based. Chase that perfection king.
>>25616804What are you on about? /wng/ is one of the most active generals on /lit/
Discoverability is pretty much impossible now on Royal Road huh? My story gets buried within seconds of uploading. It's either you pay for an ad or go for 100 shout out swaps just to get discovered nowadays
>>25617397Xianxia is a well established genre, what you wrote is definitely not xianxia.
only western stuff ive been reading is GOT fanfics. good stuff, ive gotten love the perspective chaptering and a known world state.
>>25617469That's kind of what I was afraid of. I may have to rethink what I'm doing entirely... Can I ask where you stopped reading? It would be very helpful for me.
>>25617481Damn it, I fell for the AI bait.
>>25617263They're both right, Seo is right because he's the only good guy in the story (besides Vast Cold) and Fang Yuan is right because the Gu world is a hellhole.
>>25617484I am not an AI because I am capable of saying racial slurs. That said, I'm probably too used to writing other genres and didn't take this seriously enough. I have a bad habit of just writing whatever I want to write.
>MC is an adult salaryman who happens to get turned into a little girl>immediately mentally regresses into a child and becomes addicted to robloxWho is this written for
>>25617685This gets explained every week I swear.Asian men can't conceive of reading a females actual pov. So to write a story for them with a female lead the authors have to contrive a gender bend at the start and like 4 sentences where they miss their dick then the rest of the story never mentions this again and it's just about the femc.In your example the story is actually just about a little girl. The salaryman part is an illusion.
>>25617685i remember reading this one where the MC turns into a girl in a apocalypse situation and his male lead lover is some ruthless guy, and the MC is subservient in all matters including the bedroom.. Like immediately the bedroom.
>>25617712I genuinely hate this trope broEven though I love youjo senki I can't just help but think "ok this could have just been a story about an evil little girl with zero isekai strings attached". Even though the isekai aspect does add some humor to it, it just devalues her achievements in a weird way
lol
>>25617852Writing like the first is why I try to stay away from translated works, because damn it is bland
>>25617852
>>25617464I ran 2 ads one's current and mostly just for fun bc I drew it on a whim, and ads aren't as impactful as you think. If you're off-market(ie not isekai, cultivation, xiana, litrpg), it's simply just impossible to begin; outliers are outliers and just because one ai genned sci-fi off market story made it to RS#1 doesn't translate to other off-market stories they can succeed too. But don't write for the hope of discoverability, just write for the love of the craft, you are your own audience. It is incredibly soul crushing to see a similar genre off-market story explode into 80,000 views and over 200 followers and 70 favs, and I only have 5k views. It is what it is, all because they did shout out swaps. It is what it is, and #1 thing is if you're not writing what the market craves you're just sol. Savior and appreciate the readers you do have.
>>25617852>baby archmageso just a mage? fuck you. slapping arch on everything just to justify your bullshit
>>25617852>NO AI WRITING>even synopsis is blatantly AI
>>25617881understood saar we will change the titlearchbaby mage
>Korean story has an "official English release" on Royalroad>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/193629/how-to-devour-a-star-author-of-damn-reincarnation>it claims to be translated by a human>said human is just referred to as "Josh"hmmmmalso do Koreans know that their shit gets translated using Japanese names sometimes? something tells me they wouldn't be too happy about that
>>25617263what is the appeal of the gutless korean mc?
>>25617888sensible chuckle
>>25617915Western MCs: cucksJapanese MCs: simpsChinese MCs: psychopathsKorean MCs: misogynistic to the point of being gayNow you know.
>>25617958Clara Casewell isn't a cuck though.
>>25617958RotC MC isn't misogynistic though. If anything he's the reverse of the Chinese MCs.
>>25617895do you not trust josh?
>>25617915>seo eun hyun>gutless
>>25617968Iris is a cuck
>>25618165wrong
>>25617263>>25617436The one on hte left is regressors tale of cultivation.>>25617334seh has friends who genderbend
>>25616340I'm a perfectionist too but webnovels are an exception. On the occasion my stuff becomes successful, I can simply perfect it in a rewrite later on. If it goes nowhere then at least I didn't waste my time and effort on a book doomed from the start. No one takes webnovels seriously outside of East Asia.
>>25618234>On the occasion my stuff becomes successful, I can simply perfect it in a rewrite later on.It greatly improves your odds of becoming successful if your slop isn't an unintelligible mess the first time. The readers won't eat up just anything, when the supply has exploded and AI has raised the bar on things like grammar, pacing, and sentence structure. The general tolerance towards mistakes and inconsistencies in writing is lower than it's ever been
I am reading Talent beyond limits, it's AI and was quite bad initially but after around 50 chapters the 'author' either started using a different AI or just got better at prompting and the story improved
>>25618364>I'm reading AIsubhuman taste
>>25617852Who reads this? Who reads Archmage isekai stories? Why are they so popular? Why are they popular at all?
>https://www.royalroad.com/pages/advertising-faq>$55 is the minimum to publish an ad with about 1% of chances of bringing about new patrons.I only publish 3 chapters per week, so I'm merely seconds on Latest Updates every couple days. I only have 2 paying patrons, (not even close to covering those $55 anyte soon), and my general discoverability on RR has been very low, but there's no way I'm paying for ads. I doubt Primal Hunter and New Life as an Archmage ever spent money on ads. I'm sure they're proof that when your story is good, word-of-mouth is more than enough to get discovered by the masses... or what do you think?
>>25618672>GoodMore like if you have a good enough premise people will show up; everything else is true though
>>25618649Being literally 12 helps, I guess
>>25618672I have 2000 followers and I've never bought a single ad, done any shoutouts, review swaps, and am not on discord. Just write something that's fun
>>25618725RR page link?
>>25618721is this the average webnovel reader? am I targeting the wrong wrong audience?
>>25618742Yes. Make sure to keep things grade school friendly or go home. Anytime deeper or requiring more brains and sophistication than a Marvel movie gets ignored.
just took heaping, stinking pile of a read of this BTTH fanfic (BTTH is a classic xianxia like Coiling Dragon)and that shit is dated as fuck, it just goes to show that it was carried by its emerging genre.and to the point of my post:if you write something new, then you really can ride a wave despite being mediocre - a fish into a dragon if you will
>>25617769Reverend Insanity?
>>25618760you can always target the pretentious chuuni middle schoolers looking for some thinkslop
>>25618917of course you can... from the poorhouse or wherever the thinkslopniggas who never even passed the $50 mark on Patreon reside. So go ahead, nerd, write your deep philosophical trash, me and the rest of the LowIQChads will be on the yacht where we write our shonen and Marvel-like masterpieces.
>>25618672>I doubt Primal Hunter and New Life as an Archmage ever spent money on adsThey both did, I've seen them multiple times.
>>25619042most thinksloppers are employed and just doing this as a hobbyyou write for money. we write for pussy. enjoy your $50 ive got fans to groom on discord, lil man
>>25619049This. You either gotta spend money to make money, know someone, or both. To think otherwise is naive.
>>25617882>even synopsis is blatantly AIBad writing and AI writing aren't the same thing. This is obviously not AI. The rough cadence and constant writing fuckups like starting sentences with but and putting commas before because read more like a teenager.
>>25619148You also gotta make it interesting. That's the one thing you can do regardless of finances or networking, to paraphrase big dick manga editor Hitoshi Koike who proved even absolute dreck will sell internationally if you make it interesting.
Now we know what Gu is.
what is goo
>>25619208it is what spuddles and spumes out of my stubby and veiny truncheon with the thickness and consistency of caramelized cane sugar but the smell of boiled sauerkraut
It's crazy how much of my life I wasted on this story that never got any traction
>>25619152How can something be a dreck and be interesting at the same time? Being interesting means to be good, and viceversa.
>>25619316Link?
>>25619316if you read the faq you were supposed to make several other stories.you should have been pumping different chapters 1 from the beginning
>>25619316Did you tell the story you wanted to?
>>25617712That's because the asian male understands that a female is not just a male with tits and a vagina, thus reading a western style "female pov", which is actually just mtf tranny pov, is not desirable.
That Fight Dirty story on rising stars started okay and then the author just introduced guns which destroy the entire setting.
>>25616340One man's trash is another man's treasure. That "sprawl" and "pacing issues" is why I'm reading web novels in the first place. If you've read a bunch of tradpub novels you recognize the same patterns over and over again. It's not that WNs don't have those same cliches like bubbling MCs that again victory through something stupid, but rather that that's not all they have. Tradpub trims down the fat so much that that's all you've got left. End result is that you've got a whole bunch of different stories but half of it is the same in all of them. That's why western haremfantasy doesn't work either. It's so focused on the harem aspect that all the other parts of the story are formulaic and boring. At least with a WN you have the ambiguity that the story lasts a long time ago everything isn't immediately predictable.
Why shouldn't I write like a LN translation?
>>25619316i'm pretty happy with the results of my finished novel. It took many years to write due to a variety of setbacks but i'm happy its done.
>>25619151No, there are several sentences and patterns that LLMs frequently use. The two bolded lines and what to expect formatting are the same as in all the other AI stories too. "Sounds like x" is no way to identify it, you can set the clanker to imitate any tone and target teen demographics. You just memorize the tells
>>25619428>Being interesting means to be goodI used to think this too and it's hilariously naive and untrue. Readers can be interested in only one specific thing in an otherwise dogshit story and read 500 chapters and subscribe to patreon just to see will the MC dick down their favorite waifu, or something and skip everything else. And the moment the answer is clear, they drop the whole shit without looking back. If the author includes a lot of small hooks, it doesn't matter if the story as a whole is infuriatingly retarded bullshit. There's still a bit of something for everyone
>>25619546Can you even write like a LN translation?
>>25618725Sounds too good to be true. Like you're a genius or something. How much are you making on Patreon?
>>25619655Could've done better. There were several small things that would've easily drawn in more readers, very obvious in hindsight, but I just didn't think about it at launch. I'm making a bit over $500 atm
>>25619686Huh. I've got 3,5k followers and I make less than that. Wonder if that's a difference of Patreon pricing or something else..
>>25618725When did you start publishing your first stories on RR?
>>25619716I have the usual three 5-10-15 tiers. Almost everyone's subbed to the $15 tier for most chappies
>>25619717Around 2017. But when I launch a new story that's too different from the previous ones and what the followers expect, I just start fresh with a new account. I didn't have any existing following for this work
>>25619546You canOn Honeyfeed you're actually expected to
>>25617895oh this korean faggotyou made me remember Damn Reincarnation again and now i'm pissed
>>25619753>when I launch a new story that's too different from the previous ones and what the followers expect, I just start fresh with a new accountNice to see someone who knows what they're doing
>>25619582>No, there are several sentences and patterns that LLMs frequently use.Bro, his first chapter includes basic editing mistakes LLMs have moved past.>Hell, I could understand what they were saying, which was passing strange.The writer's obviously not using an LLM. Stop acting like you're some LLM whisperer and just admit you fucked up.
>>25619428>Being interesting means to be good, and viceversa.Nope, it just needs to draw your attention and make you want to see more. Some of the most interesting things I've read and watched are terrible. Neil Breen movies are built on this premise.
>>25619817>Neil Breen>search wiki>his stories are typically psychological thrillers or science fiction with strong social commentary depicting lonely, tragic heroes in grandiose struggles against corrupt institutions.[1][4] He has been compared to Tommy Wiseau.[5]That's hilarious. I may watch one or two of his films. They'll probably be a good laugh.
>>25619821See? They've got your interest even though they're not good!
I'm about to read pic related because it has a way higher rank than Lord of the Mysteries.
>>25619826>See? They've got your interest even though they're not good!I dont care what people say, even the most ridiculous films have soul, and can be amazing their own special way. Take The Matrix and The Boondocks Saints for example.
>>25619831And that's what a lot of people believe for most bad WNs, hence why they get readers. Be interesting enough and you don't have to be good, people will make up their own reasons for why your work is good.
>>25619832I got a lot of ideas in my idea storage, but I think my two silliest ideas are:>GTA in a world in which humans have suddenly gone extinct and now robots serve animals as their masters. Cats fight other non-human species and each other using gloves that simulate human hands and real guns and vehicles.>Myke Tyson's Mysteries but it's medieval fantasy isekai. A retired heavy weight boxing champion, and controversial ex-con gets truck-kun and now has to make a living and a name for himself in a world in which non-magic users are at the bottom of the food-chain in every adventurers guild. He has to prove that he's a better fighter and monster hunter than anyone else despite his handicap (he cannot cast magic at all).
>>25619845those are oneliner settings, not story ideas
>>25619845>Continu'dAbout the protagonist of the cats story. Cat who used to be fat and domestic, until humans disappeared. He has the advantage of being able to read and write, and this alllow him to make the most out of his less intelligent feline bretheren as he train them for warfare and conquest.>>25619846>those are oneliner settingsuh... what? You can very easily derive a dozen 2,000 words long chapters from this short paragraphs alone. How are they not fully developed story ideas?
>>25619811>Bro, his first chapter includes basic editing mistakes LLMs have moved past.Nigga only the laziest jeet would copypaste the text without editing at all. Little mistakes get in when you change a word here and there, that's no proof of anything.
>>25619862you're a moron
>>25619829i read it when it first came out, too much faceslapping and ecchi; the works he plagiarizes are pretty good though, so its a worthwhile read
If you can't get big without paying ads, your story sucks, and you may suck too, if you already tried 3 or 4 stories and theh all flopped.
>>25619848>uh... what? You can very easily derive a dozen 2,000 words long chapters from this short paragraphs alone.Can you? Besides, you've got to aim for a hundred chapters at least.
reading infinite regressor right now. i think the smelly green haired neet doctor is my favorite character
New kino just dropped
>>25619883Nice argument, fag
>>25619927NTA, but it wasn't really an argument so much as an accurate observation. Also, it's not advisable to argue with morons as onlookers might not be able to tell the difference.
>>25619945>NTA>he's actually that anon
>every post I dislike was made by the same anon
>>25619546Because LN prose doesn't do well on RR.That said, translating LN prose into the Western style is surprisingly easy once you realize that in contemporary Western books, most of what falls outside dialogue is just inner monologue in disguise."I can't believe Mom made me suck her titties in public," Baby Archmage thought. His ears were still burning. "I can never let Femc know about this."Baby Archmage couldn't believe Mom had made him suck her titties in public. His ears were still burning. He could never let Femc know about this."God, it feels good to be tall," Jack Reacher thought, feeling the small-town women's eyes on him. "Yes, look at me. Look at how tall and cool I am."God, it felt good to be tall. Jack Reacher could feel the small-town women's eyes on him. Yes, look at him. Look at how tall and cool he was."It's snowing," thought the villainous young master as a snowflake landed on the tip of his finger. "Soon, it will be spring, and I'll have to start cucking the MC for real."It was snowing. A snowflake landed on the tip of the villainous young master's finger. Soon, it would be spring, and he would have to start cucking the MC for real.So if you can master the dialogue + action beats combo, you can pull off the narration too.
name one winnie character who went through more than my goat Ren Zu
i like 'The Hundred Reigns' on RR, and i think one of the things working in their favour is the nature of the story.The MC has a 100 lives and then dies and loops back...each 'life' is about ~15-ish chapters, about the length of a small novella.Because of the length limitations, it forced the author to create well-contained arcs, and keeps the writing sharp.Unlike other series where the story gets out of the author's hands and arcs start to drag on and plotlines never get resolved.. this format forces the author to keep everything in check.Obviously this only happens because of the time loop nature of the story, but still, i think other authors also need to take a similarly controlled approach on their online stories.Have a set number of chapters per arc and have a set number of arcs in the story; once it's reached, write the ending and then follow on to a sequel if you still want to continue.
i read so many webnovels but i cant recollect a first chapter to write
Are there any web novels with good prose?
>>25620181Otherworldly Evil Monarch
>>25620181Deep Sea Embers
https://www.otwstatus.org/incidents/g12jnxck9g6hao3 may be down for a few weeks?
>>25620962no nut november coming early for some of the most annoying readers you can have
>>25620962Aw man. I was just thinking I should finally just DO IT and dump my space opera on there. Oh well..
>>25620181
Would using a little extra detail on the definition and curves of women the MC is ogling early in a story lead readers to think it's Harem/Romance and scare people off for a story that definitely isn't those genres?
>>25621449It could.More likely to make reader believe YOU are a perverted incel loser who has a disgusting male gaze.iirc people said this about the dresden files
>>25621449A master swordsman keeps his katana sheathed until it is time to kill
>>25621454Those same people get mad when I don't turn my disgusting male gaze on them though. Can't win, might as well just join the perverted loser pack.
Imagine being so scared of criticism – that you haven’t received yet – you censor yourself beyond what tradpubs ever imposed on their writers. Even a hundred years ago, people were not this prudish.
>>25621580It's prudism because the same people complaining about writing like this are okay with billionaire werewolves with dog dicks
>>25621583it's not*
>>25621585those people aren't reading webnovelsyou made this up as a part of your persecution fetish
>>25621593You brought up tradpub retard
>>25621593>those people aren't reading webnovelsThey do though. just not on RR (for now) because of it's unique origin as a Moonlight sculptor fansite.
>>25621598He didn’t. I did.Look, people will talk smack. People love talking smack. Women love to talk smack about our fetish. We love to talk smack about theirs. The only difference is that Wattpad writers aren’t insecure enough to care about what guys, who are decidedly NOT their target audience, have to say about their detailed descriptions of a 50-inch dragon dick.So take a page from their book. Give your catgirl maid slave her 58K boobs and 20-inch futa dick, and tell that imaginary Karen inside your head to shut the fuck up.
>>25621658The problem is the imaginary karens (who are often male redditors) aren't imaginary and can negatively review your story.
are there any cool regions or areas in your webnovel?
>>25621662>and can negatively review your story.who fucking cares you utter pussyeven if you're a sloptard writing for slophog patreon bux, tons of abysmally rated stories sell like hotcakesstop being terrified of everything and anything, christ
>>25621682>tons of abysmally rated stories sell like hotcakes...in Schizophrenia Land
>>25621689oh so you're in the deny reality phase of your cope huh
>>25621692>Xe says as xe denies reality
>>25621669Santa's workshop.
>>25621075>ao3i did my space opera on royal road, but it'll probably get hacked nextthis has been a bad time for sysadmins of hobby sites
>>25621775It's also such good timing that I decided to finally re-import my story back into Scrievener. I stopped using it entirely and suddenly decided to just update it with all the chapters again, into a fresh project because boy these things can sure get quite a bit of overwhelming history when I need only basic shit like what the fuck whas this faggot officer's actual name, oh right, ya, its just right there and not buried under a autism labyrinx fitting for a minotaur. honestiy I actually just posted it evcerywhere but ao3 and wattpad, webnovel, and honeycomb too i guess.
>>25615794for a LitRPG with "tank, dps, healer", but potentially intelligent foes, I was thinking to force people to focus the tank, the tank has annoying as shit debuffs or gets stronger if not dealt with>stun every so often>attack harder if not stopped >weaken enemies with each hitThink those would be annoying enough?
>>25621449>>25621583>>25621593>>25621609>>25621658Just forgo any kind of sexualisation in your stories, write pure cultivation stories with male main character with focus on progression/cultivation, world building, exploration, conflict etc. You'll make a million patreon bucks in the first week!
Would your story appeal to a 12-year-old, the main demographic of RR?
feel like an explanation as to why RR,the actual demographic breakdown of RR etc etcdo they even have payment integration?so why the RR to Patreon route instead of a different site?
>>25622248SAAR RR GOOD BESTEST THERE IS PLS REDEEM
>>25622044>>25622044In my experience from wow bg / arenas. Tank do either do special combat tasks, like playing the objective, you can take a hit so you can allow yourself to to non defensive action like carry the flag/chest/bomb. Guard a hot spot etc. Buy time.Another different approach is the bodyguard style. They keep specific attacks or enemies away from DPS heals. ( Peeling) . You stun snare interrupt intervene. Shape the battlefield you hold the bridge so the archers can send arrows.Thrid you tunnel/ train. You do the reverse you focus the enemy squishy you go full Tunnelvision on the enemy heal and hard engage. This forces the enemy to react to your tanks action. You soak spells like stuns and snares that you can manage. So the spells are wasted on you instead of the DPS. Because despite you being a bad target... The heal getting a face full of mace is not good. Or you demand focus like you said by snowball skills. If you don't deal with them now they Carry later. To make the decisions of the characters fit you need to create a lose lose scenario. Like a tank with a aoe slow. Your either slap the tank which is not effective. Or you fight with the slow which is also terrible. You make them cast taunt. You have the tank crest a situation that needs to be addressed with more prio than the other stuff
>>25622248>>25622257Unlike most sites, RR's userbase actually has disposable income. At least $5 worth.
>>25622273Typo: You have them *not* cast taunt
>>25622175I think as a 31 yo unc my target audience is 28-31 year old uncs
Ahhhhh. I need something to read. Ahhhh.But all that's suggested here is femc slop or RI.
>>25621662>>25621658>>25621682It's not just reviews though. If you don't toe the line enough they'll label you a misogynist and that label is going to get repeated endlessly.There's a reason reddit has MenWritingWomen and MenDrawingWomen subreddits where they make fun of male artists and authors but not the opposite.
>>25620030I enjoyed reading it at the start, but over time I stopped kind of caring about what happens. It's because the board just resets. Maybe if MC was more evil or didn't constantly go out of his way for the bird girl I would enjoy it more, but once I caught up to the story I wasn't keen on waiting for new chapters.If the author had made the story harem then there'd be a chance that we might see other interesting romance than Eole, but it's already pretty clear she's chosen by the author.
>>25622289>reddit, reddit, reddit2016 was a decade ago.
>>25622276thanks, answered my question
>>25622281My longevity simulator
>>25622279What kind of stories do you write?
>>25622402They apparently deleted the scribblehub translation, but I'll try to find an alternative.
>>25622289>they'll label you a misogynist and that label is going to get repeated endlessly.who cares?
>>25622273Yeah I tried Dota 2 again and that's basically how tanks work. Like Bristleback has a quill spray attack that does more damage the more he has used it on you. Slardar has an annoying armor debuff and a stun every few attacks, and he will dive your backline if left unchecked. Damned if you do, damned if you don't
I have almost finished a short story that I will publish on Medium. It's a utopian story with the theme of political freedom.
spending $1000 commissioning some cool book cover artthis better be worth it, anti-ai bros!
>>25622598You could get a guy in Southeast Asia to get good cover art for a quarter of that with both commercial and merch rights while still guaranteeing it's not anime, and then use the remaining money to commission bigger name artists for promotional pieces.
>>25622598Oof. Best of luck to you. Commissioning art is a miserable experience. Please share the results in May 2027 when the artist is finished.
>>25622606Have you considered vetting artists before commissioning them? My longest commission I actually paid for was maybe a month.
>>25622598>spending $1000what the fuck
>>25622613Yes. I did.
>>25622404space opera war drama
>>25622633Clearly not well if it was miserable for you. Who was it? I'm friends with a fuckton of high profile artists and if you have any receipts I'll get that fucking nigger blacklisted for you.
>>25622627it will pay itself off! the story's really good i think, no one's read it yet but ive edited it until i liked it
>>25622598>>25622654I spent the equivalent spread out across 3 covers that came out to like 600$ that mostlly was the commerical rights and I will be blunt with you fellow yanki neko writerbro, I hope you're at least going to do the shitty shoutout spam because if you're not, and if you're not writing litrpg isekai; it's not going to swing your way, at all. It litrally won't make people want to click on your story. My suggestion, spend 50$ on pic related and do it the old fashion way, you could literally just trace over really old 80-90s random anime frame and make it miminalistic as hell. if anything, get the art for yourself and yourself only because you want to suppor the artist while you're at it.
>>25622668>on pic related>was lost in stream of thoughtslel, oops
>>25622654I've spent $0 on my covers, but I've made about $6,000 by writing this year. I prefer it this way, personally.
>>25622489There is an ongoing official wuxia world translation but I hear it's merely ok, the fan translation is much better, read the fan translation.
>>25622668>litrpg isekaii-its a normal fantasy. oh but there's progression! the loli mc progresses through the story and gets stronger, that's hip, right? you could even call it cultivation!>shitty shoutout spamword of mouth will hard carry. build it and they will come!
I need a good reason why my rando nigga mc can become the strongestno system slop
>>25622713oh, you'll probably maybe too good. I dunno. I mean there's a magical girl space opera that has like 80k views and triple digit followers/good ratio to favorites(but I also say that with an envious bias of sub-20favs/sub70followers). Pull out an ad at least when the time comes you release it
>>25622725He's batshit insane and trains himself so violently and aggressively that it throws him past the normal bounds of anyone else
>>25622640So like military scifi? I read a couple of series on amazon(often written by some retired military boomer), 85% of padding, meaningless space battles, very little plot progression, stale 2d characters, at least there was no woke stuff. It often had a idiotic western perspective like every soldier and officer couldn't wait for an opportunity to sacrifice themselves in battle for greater good. In other words I still prefer non retarded chinese murderhobo mc stories
>>25622725He found a heaven defying artifact while picking mushrooms in the mountains
>>25622730that's not a western thing though, even in war and peace there's this scene that I've read so far where an entire polish cavalry unit quite straight throws them into the raging torrent at the french crossing into russia, and some of them straight up drown when napoleon is geniunely not even looking at their direction (in fact he considers them all very inconvinvent for distracting him but from their pov they're happy about showing their insanity), later this russian accounts a battle at a dam where a father and his 2 sons rush forward and the narrator is thinking to himself that's fucking stupid you're stupid why would you expose your flesh and blood to danger like that, this battle literally has no purpose not even a tactical one. hell even in three kingdoms everyones eager for glory but I've only read 2 chapters to read war and peace instead. anyway, I try to avoid padding so the story in my opinon is more lean and brisk, but I get what you mean, just pick up any military thriller from the 80s–90s and it's all padded with military purple prose stuff. I'm not a retired military unc however; I did JROTC in HS for 1 1/2 years before I had to switch out/ I just like old school 80s-90s military anime like gundam and lotgh. So really, I made my cover art as a big neon sign for peopl who also like those kind of things and want to read more like it.
>>25622641>ill have them blacklistedLMAOO
>>25622751Can you speak military jargon and basically just talk non stop in military style (without saying anything of substance) ? You probably cannot if you haven't been to a real military.
>>25622791You wanna laugh or do you wanna get your reprisal? Or did you make it up and hope people would accept your bullshit?
>>25622794what the fuck are you talking about? I'm laughing at how you think you're so important you can get someone blacklisted, you narcissistic delusional retard
>>25622598its gonna be AI if you dont vet the artist. if its digital art do a proper process, draft progress pictures. dicuss continue talk about past work. timelaps. request the final file with layers etc. not just some jpg. if the artist is active post 2022 and does diffrent stlyes be carefullt. turbo slopper
>>25622792I don't think about it much and frankly don't care. I've tried to glimpse on RR some military space operas or just military ones before and I usually just can't get into them because they try to play into that kind of format where it's very obviously written by a military vet (good LORD THERE ARE SO MANY ON RR) and it's just so forceful and dry you know? Or the usual need to infodump so needlessly. I wouldn't say I'm any different from the chaff though, but that kind of writing just isn't exciting to me. I like the more character-driven philosophical aspects of it I guess, the heroicness and dudes just being total badasses.
>>25622295dunno where you ended, but the MC is definitely becoming more evil, or atleast more jaded about the reigns and willing to do a lot of shit and pass it off because 'it will all reset', he's fighting the feeling, but we are starting to see cracks.It's a 100 reigns and we are about a quarter of a way through, so it will take a LONG time, gotta account for that.as for romance, lol, MC has romanced loads of women, heck in one reign he married Euphemia, not because he liked her but because he thought it might help as a political marriage...it failed but he learnt somethings.He has a soft corner for Eole but in later reigns something happens and he feels he betrayed her, so he has stopped romancing her. I feel Anna is the end goal, could be wrong though, as I said, only quarter a way through.It won't be a harem, in one reign, he marries Anna and she offers him a chance at a harem and he out right rejects it.
>>25622603People say this but when I see anons posting>Comm'd this cover for $200!My first thought is always: wow, it shows
>>25623088I'm going to be frank, most artists charging more than $400 for a cover (including commercial rights) are scamming you. Pic-rel (Nboarart) charges way below industry rates.You gotta remember there's a lot of very skilled artists living in very low income countries where cheap commissions at good quality do make them a strong living. If you can pay a month's rent by drawing well, you're gonna learn to draw really fucking well.
>>25619469Yeah I guess. I'm not done yet but I'm finishing up the final arc now. I've been solely motivated by liking the characters and wanting to tell their story for years now.
>>25623098>You gotta remember there's a lot of very skilled artists living in very low income countries where cheap commissions at good quality do make them a strong living. If you can pay a month's rent by drawing well, you're gonna learn to draw really fucking well.It's just that most of them who are actually good will quickly pick up tons of wealthier commissioners, enough so theyre booked out, and thus start charging western rates because why wouldn't they
>>25623098The guy who drew my cover did it for like $80, there are always people who are starting out who are just as talented or more so than the established artists but just don't have the platform yet.
>>25623116They really don't. Nboar has like 1000 followers and has been doing professional covers for years. Many also intentionally keep their prices low but utilize their greater esteem to specifically get their say in what they'll accept. I recently got an insanely high quality comm from a huge artist with industry connections (Like he does sponsored promo work for NetEase and international sports teams) for less than $300 because at his level of popularity he gets the final say in what he draws, people come to him.Inversely, the super unpopular are cheap because that's marketable and know they don't have the grounds to charge more. You gotta look at both ends of the price bellcurve and you'll find gems.
>>25623131>for less than $300 because at his level of popularity he gets the final say in what he draws, people come to him.This makes no sense. The actually popular artists do whatever they want and charge thousands. Charging low is just stupid. Generous but stupid
I'm going to write a Xianxia novel but instead of Qi it will be "Mana" and instead of cultivators it will be "Mages". these western devils won't know what hit them
>>25623152>The actually popular artists do whatever they want and charge thousands. Charging low is just stupid. Generous but stupidAnon, you missed the part where popular artists are the ones with people accosting them and being willing to pay them. They charge high for industry and low for individuals because in both cases the artist is the one in demand, not the other way around. You can afford to be cheap when you're in such demand that you get to choose what you're drawing.
>>25622811the artist has a distinct, singular style, i cant sense any ai smell on it (pic related). the price is more realistically $600, i would just tip generously if the final result satisfied meidk... less people are calling me retarded than i expected. just giving fair warnings about price
>>25623098>Thank you for your interest. My rates are tailored to each project’s scope and requirements.
getting a cover from an artist I've known for around 5 years. They've gotten a lot better in that time and their prices have gone up but they are still fairly reasonable by my standards. I paid a bit under 300 for it.
>>25622811bottom centre has the best art because it depicts an open world mood
>>25623153Change mages to wizards insteads
Any good web novels to read?
>>25623299I found a new one called Everyone Loves Large Chests.
>>25623308Thanks anon. The last web novel I was reading went on hiatus.
>>25623308New?I remember this being referenced constantly; never was my type of thing though
>>25623321Wait anon this is 10 years old.
>>25623153instead of Sects : Academies instead of Spiritual roots : Mana capacityinstead of Extreme physiques : bloodline magicRing Grandpa : Archmage's spellbook
>>25619316if it makes you feel better the vast, vast majority of humanity are utterly irrelevant and will never accomplish anything worthwhile so you didn't waste your life since there was no value there in the first place to be wasted.
>>25623354Based I'm going to make my anti hero MC tell people this when I eventually write my novel.
>>25622641Pretty much every single illustrator I've ever worked with from Vgen, deviantart, pixiv, and Mondo. They all disappear for months, under preform based on their portfolios, despite getting notes on changes, and on more than one occasion deliver something completely unusable. And that's just among the few who actually reply to their open commission calls. I've also had instances where someone only accepts commissions for 1 minute every few months. Their Vgen account will have a countdown. You wait weeks for it to reach zero. They open for commission, I copy paste what I want, and before I can click submit they're closed. All commissions filled. Won't open for another few months.And this doesn't even mention the nightmare of digging through page after page of amateurish illustrations that look like they were made by a 13 year old. They're like "I'll do a commission for $10!" Yeah, I bet you would, because you're fucking awful at drawing and no one wants to work with you.
finished Circle of Inevitability recently and...really Adam has to die due to corruption but Lumian "99% corruption 1% person" Lee gets to live? nahhh bro ain't no way
>>25623366I can't speak for the others, but the VGen ones screwing you are all by-the-book rule violations. I've never had it myself, not to "Works on my machine" it but it's specifically because I try to go for verified ones. You can report them and get chargebacks and refunds and that'll usually scare the shit out of them into either fixing their act or you get your money back.A lot of them skirt by on the commissioner doing nothing. Don't be the mark, punch pickpocketers.
>>25623299longevity chicken raising servant, lots of twists
>>25623105Then that time wasn't wasted. You saw it through to completion, learned how to write better along the way, and have something tangible you can point to as proof you're not all talk. It's better to shoot your shot and fail than to let it rot away in an idea doc wondering what could have been. And you can always do a rewrite or put it up on Amazon.
Do you think making a sexified version of a character's abilities for sex scenes is going too far?
>>25623366Artists are fickle creatures, hell, not just artists, even random anons are fickle creatures. I have offered to do free work for other anons on THEIR projects just for them to ghost me, even though I am trying to help THEM. Everyone is fickle, and the only person you can fully trust is yourself.That said, when the money is around $1000, people actually take things a bit more serious. A bit more is at stake, and reputations start to become important for that kind of money. Like honestly maybe your issue is just dealing with cheap things. "I'll do a commission for $10!" like yeah, you're kinda getting what you pay for, dude.Being in a real career environment, you will quickly learn reputation is everything, and reputation gets you money, and if you don't have reputation yourself, you at least need to offer money to attract reputable people.
>>25623455What kind of degen spends time making shit like thisIs there one for Drow Ranger?
>>25623481I've had familiar experiences here on 4chan. Someone posts their illustrations and I think oh that's cool, can I hire you? And they're like NO WAY AM I GIVING OUT MY INFO ON 4CHAN! What really pisses me off is when an artist complains they don't have enough commissions on social media while they are simultaneously ignoring my request. >That said, when the money is around $1000, people actually take things a bit more serious.Yeah. I wish. One of my worst experiences was working with a poster designer who did work for bands like The Black Keys and Muse. Sent me a concept sketch. I approved the design. He came back months later with the finished piece and there was zero difference from the concept sketch. Like I had to switch back and forth between the sketch and the finished piece and play a game of spot the difference. I was so upset. He had a really amazing portfolio too. I did not get what I paid for.
>>25623506Well I dunno about your specific situation but I'll play devil's avocado and say communication between client and merchant is also an important skill.>sent you a sketch>you approved>Months later sends the finished piece, similar to what you approvedLike first of all, the month gap should be pressured and monitored much more (why the fuck is he taking so long anyway? he started with the sketch so he should finish it), secondly its difficult to imagine what the problem truly was when you approved the design and he moved ahead with it. Even an AI-head would say "well bro you just suck at prompting, should have prompted better". And thirdly desu, if you're not happy with the product, and he won't work with you, what's even the point of paying? Shoulda thrown a bigger bitch fit and withheld your money, its HIS reputation at stake, so you have to fight back with your money.Maybe the situation was more complicated than that though, idk, it is a struggle in the end
>>25623489TortugaAnd yeshttps://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3875601&tags=tortuga+drow_ranger
>>25623455>>25623638Genuine question and I'm not trying to insinuate anything negative: Are you British?
>the 10 venerable names from coolest to least coolLimitless Demon VenerableThieving Heaven Demon VenerableSpectral Soul Demon VenerableReckless Savage Demon VenerablePrimordial Origin Immortal VenerableRed Lotus Demon VenerableParadise Earth Immortal VenerableGiant Sun Immortal VenerableStar Constellation Immortal VenerableGenesis Lotus Immortal Venerable
>read this web novel with 79 chapters in RR>prose and writing is so run-on, like a bad draft written on first person POV>story's all about post-end world with author narrating over how each and single factions are trying to live in a world where every Anomalies, Cryptids exist with the city being made as a focal counterweight against all the end of the world shit aka shadow-run like>one chapter is about an aunt who is abused so much that she becomes a pack rat>one arc they deal with magic-based plague where everyone who has magic flays themselves.>chrome junkies are safe because they have artificial skin while the rest tried to flay non-humans for their leather/fur skin which leads to lizard-kins to targeting headhunters>but a strong superhuman deal with it while MC and his boss were more worried about their business going under and being thrown at higher-grade problems>barely updates a month or a year>around 2k words a chapter and so shortMan, I wish some authors just don't fucking stop
>>25623641No, and why do you ask?
>>25623797I've had an aggressive theory I've been building up that British, at least ethnically Anglo, are the primary catalyst for bimbofication fetishes. It's why their women are all busted up on fake tans, lip fillers, etc.
>>25623802Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah I can see that, especially how many British women get some work done. I think it's also proximity to Turkey for their cheap cosmetic surgeries too, it's pretty quick for a Brit to fly over to Turkey and get a nose job or something.What do you think of the sexualized version of abilities by any chance? I think they'd be more for humor than anything.
>Start writing webnovel full of enthusiasm and confidence on making it big fast>decide to do 100 chapters before launching>8 months later...>40 chapters in>totally and absolutely burntout, niggaGuess I'm not made to do this as a profession, maybe not even as a hobby...
>>2562387940 is good to launch. Just get some shout outs and ads lined up to try and catch RS. If it works, you'll get that enthusiasm and confidence back. And if it doesn't, you can drop it before you burnout further.
>>25623909NTA but should you drop like drop 40 chaps all at once or a day?
>>25623929>all at onceDEAD ON ARRIVEL>a dayYeah, for like around 20-30d
>>25623929drop a starter five then go daily, then slow down to weekly before you catchup to 40
What are gu?
>>2562387940 chapters × 2,500 words = 100,000 words.That’s a whole book right there, provided it’s paced properly.If it were me, I’d develop the idea into a standalone novel and publish it on KU - or whatever Amazon calls it now.
>>25623929You drop five on the first day, then one a day for the rest of the month.
>>25622727hours later i still wonder what "you'll probably maybe too good" means... sigh...
>>25623943Man is the spirit of all living beings, gu are the essence of heaven and earth.
>>25624016I think I meant to type 'maybe you'll probably do just fine' or something of that effect and was riding off my stream of consciousness too hard to stop and fix it.
I’m booored. I want to write something, but I don’t know what. My brain is mush.Somebody give me a writing prompt. If it’s interesting and not a meme idea, I’ll write a short story out of it.
What's something you think most winnie writers don't realize about their audience?t. generally oblivious person
>>25624078Yoy know that veggie tales clip about ai contont? they'd happily accept it if it manages to reach top rated/rs
>>25624071Evil empress/demon lord somehow shows her soft side, but not directly to the good guys.
>>25624071Write a story about the dumbest story idea you can think of.
>>25624071>short storyThis is the web novel thread
>>25624078The average reader is what would happen if a chimpanzee were by the most bare minimum standards literate. They process words as ritualistic fetishes that evoke certain partisan ideas instead of set things with definitions and get very emotionally invested in how those fetishes are arranged.They're not particular about the arrangement, mind you, but they do get emotional. And they're very bad at trying to explain or understand said arrangements.Their only use is to relinquish their money into your pockets and the best way to do so is to keep up the arrangements that have them whoop and cheer.
>>25624128We all gotta start somewhere.Look at syosetu
>>25624078talking about an average reader is pointless because the average reader is drastically different per subcommunitythe people reading super supportive aren't the same as the people reading revered insanity
>>25624158Well anon did actually ask about writers and "their audience" you're getting average reader from another post
You guys should read Reluctant Imperialist, its really good.
>>25624229This is just what if nazi gerany won WW2 alt history incel fapfic
doubt its historical stuff. westaboo novels are kinda kino - theres Korean Mercenary's Wild West that sadly got its main translator nuked.
>>25624238>alt historyKinda but not really. Its more like if Nazi won WW2 but also the Jews are space demons who keep falseflagging to sympathy bait normal people into doing what they want.
>>25624071a person with a gaming system/UI in a non-game world with brutal but compatible entity conversion (items, skills, pets).im talking like for something to register as a game item that would otherwise be OP - you need a metric ton of steel for it to count as a 'ingot of steel'; health potions, revival scrolls - their ingredients are also brutal to accumulate but once you make it, the effects are godly.
>>25624229what's the western winnie to this thoughbeit
>>25623909>40 is good to launch.No it's not, if you write slower than ice melts at the south pole. You'll burn through your backlog in under two months and are then on infinite hiatus and fuck everyone who does that
>>25623156>You can afford to be cheap when you're in such demand that you get to choose what you're drawing.No, anon, that doesn't make any fucking sense. If you have tons of people accosting you, you raise prices precisely to weed out the non-serious commissioners. If you build a reputation for doing good shit retardedly cheap at random and are actually good, people will tear your house to the ground to get a piece of you
>>25623879Motivation is nothing, discipline is everything. Just train yourself into writing every day
>>25624092>>25624099Reading about lol so random subversive nonsense is one thing, trying to write it makes me want to die.Thanks for making me realize that, anons.This is as far as I got: https://rentry.co/9r4mysibNever again.
>>25624316>If you build a reputation for doing good shit retardedly cheap at random and are actually good, people will tear your house to the ground to get a piece of youYou keep forgetting the part where the artist can say "No." You can keep your prices cheap when you're 1. In demand and 2. The arbiter of what you do. You can charge industry rates to industry people who are very serious and casual commissioners cheap because the casual commissioners are only getting approved if it's something the artist likes. I've worked with pro artists who work with peoplel ike NetEase that specifically do this and are very high profile, and this is explicitly their method. How is this so hard for you to understand?
>>25623879Slow down and and read some books
>>25624784>casual commissioners cheap because the casual commissioners are only getting approved if it's something the artist likesnta but then it sounds like finding someone like this would be close to impossible. amazing but cheap artists are already rare, adding in "and they have to be passionate about what you need" makes it near impossible
>>25624784Really, why are you this retarded? Are you seriously arguing that those who can charge thousands per picture and still drown in commissions don't get to choose what they do and get nothing that interests them? And lowballing for no reason is some genius move? What the fuck
>>25624902>Are you seriously arguing that those who can charge thousands per picture and still drown in commissions don't get to choose what they do and get nothing that interests them?Quote me in my post where I say that. Please do it exactly.
Wow the anti botting system must be really out of control if RR suddenly just went into maintenance
>>25624945Seems to be working fine for me.
>>25624308Who gives a fuck what the readers think. We're trying to get RS here, not write out the entire bloody series before seeing if it has legs or not.
>>25625019Speak for yourself im not and couldn't care less about rs. I just want to write for the passion of the hobby
>>25625026based but also retarded because then you shouldn't butt in when the topic is clearly about having a successful launch
>>25623242i love scenes and landscapes so i do that a lot. plus characters mostly for pen and paper. so im a /tg/ slopper but its usefull inspo for my book and might make msy own cover but thats long wa away
>>25625026>I just want to write for the passion of the hobbythe very act of posting your story online implies you have greater motivations than that
how do i start writing web novels? i want to be like you.
>>25625019>We're trying to get RS hereThen fall off immediately and get no patrons because no content? Retard
>>25625131read some first
>>25625131you can just read a bunch of chapter 1s of the genre you want to enter in, then just use the most common/memorable tropes which help in writing.if you want to learn the skill, you break it down: list out things, list out descriptions of each thing, list out sentences, list out variations of each sentence.but of course i myself havent done this and also i dont know how to write either.
I know Patreon has banned extreme explicit stuff like non-con, loli, and other stuff like that, so is there somewhere I can privately post my chapters to and link it through patreon? Or is there a Patreon alternative that allows most things?
>>25625145ao3
>>25625131Read Reverend Insanity
>>25625145prison
>>25625145not only does patreon ban if you link to stuff that breaks their tos, they will ban you if you DONT link to it AT ALL but its affiliated with your username, lol. you have to be a clean creator, period (of course people slip through the cracks though, especially the smaller you are)subscribestar and reamstories have laxer policies.
>>25625170That's absurd, for how long has Patreon been so bad? I'll just have to look into the other two.
>>25625178both are laxer but not free for allsunderage is basically a universal taboo AFAIK, i dont know if any subscription based platforms allow it
>>25625178No company wants to be associated with pedos. You need to be an American politician or CEO for that.
>>256251481. not a paid site2. dead for a month
1. read but dont just consume, look how its written style, pacing, dialogues.2. start writing short stories. just look for writing prompts. read what others write if you want.3. dont be demotivated lots of garbage is viable. and tastes vary>>25625145 there are ways like other sites and or discords? or linking twitter and posting more there to funnel elsewhere. but i iirc patreon doesnt like that. >>25624078something i noticed is people lack a lot of education or general knowledge. so i need to explain stuff in side notes. but its great for baiting worthless coments. on my HFY shorts
>>25615794>Have good idea for book>Problem is got it from reading a hentai>Book idea isn't even erotic (If anything it plays what would be erotic from the hentai for drama and horror) but requires so much framework from the hentai to work it would be immediately identifiable as being based on itWhat do?
>>25625327Just write it?>so much framework from the hentai to work it would be immediately identifiable as being based on itNobody will bring it up because they don't want to self-report as being familiar enough with hentai to even tell
>>25625327well change stuff untill its no longer similar or generic enugh to be coincidence. or find a SFW source thats similar can claim that as inspo>>25625347this. its i recognize this bulge territory
>>25625357Code Geass was peak /a/. Nothing else has come close. Given the audience I'm surprised there aren't any popular wn's like it.
>>25625210>baiting worthless comentsafaik farming comments doesn't have any effect like it does on youtube or xitter
>>25625327u didnt specify what ur problem is..are u trying to plagiarize but dont want people to find out?are u just embarrassed about it being inspired by porn and want to hide that?you can always try to edit it / ask this question later. just do your best to make the story now, without any constraints
>>25625145unironically tradpub might be better for 'adult' topics, women want to see the milking rape farm
Why do so many authors not want me to read their stories? I pick out a story through search based on tags (there aren't that many to begin with) and I read this at the start of the description: >Enchanted Expanse is a cabinet of oddities masquerading as a book. an anthology where stories refuse to stay in their lane. Inside, you might find a God fighting with his own conscience about a part of existence he neglects, a bureaucrat from the-That first sentence alone says "don't read me".>By 1992, the world knows who Battle Cry really is. Not just a hard rock band. So that's why it has the "comedy" tag. This part of the description has already put me off the story, but here's the rest of it:>The Brotherhood of Aelin. Five men with amulets that cannot be removed, rulers of a cloaked island that spent nine centuries refusing to appear on anyone's map.>Aldus the Conqueror spent those same nine centuries losing. Armies failed. Sieges failed. So he stopped attacking five bestowed men and threatened the people holding tickets instead.>One credible threat against one arena grounded the most powerful beings alive.>The sequester lasted two years.>The island noticed what it was doing to them long before the men did.Tickets? Arena? Sequester? What the hell am I even reading?Okay, let's go with the next one: Age of Demina. Early chapter titles: >In the Lourve (Lab!)Did the author mis-spell Louvre? If that's a clever way of saying "temu version of a museum" then that's great, but a cursory reading of the chapter has nothing to do with the title. It's also very generic and the dialogue reads like AI.>Neural Fusion-HAAA!>Giraffe Legs?!>Is Math Supposed to Scream?!I have to be invested in your story for these jokes to land. This is far too early. I just want to read something enjoyable, but these authors don't just fail to grab me, they actively push me away from reading their stories.
>>25625134>You must have a Patreon ten chapters ahead and produce a never ending content mill>If the keys aren't always jingling, you've fallen offNah. People aren't going to drop as easily once they're invested, which is what a good launch accomplishes. You blow up once and you're good to go.
>>25625474Well, you do that now, if it's so easy, and report back the results. I've heard nothing of the 50 other guys in these threads who claimed the same
>>25625145>extreme explicit stuff like non-con, loliBest bet is setting up a $ per words and have people pay you through paypal
>>25625481I'll be doing just that once I have them ready.>I've heard nothing of the 50 other guys in these threads who claimed the sameIt wouldn't surprise me if the majority of those either weren't writing something that does well on RR, just talking out of their ass, or all the same couple of people who talk big but don't do anything.
>>25625533What stories post slow/irregularly that do well on Patreon? They're very very rare in my experience.Consistency and speed is pretty damn important. Almost all the guides written by big authors say that. If you're going to say otherwise you should be coming with receipts, because to me it looks like you're deliberately spreading misinformation
>>25625474Stop reading entirely or stop paying for patreon? Those are two different things.If you don't have any advance chapters to offer on patreon they wont pay for it.They also do this thing where they sub for a month and immediately cancel and come back months later for another round of binge reading. If your chapter releases have slowed to a crawl those guys will never sub again.
>>25625533>just talking out of their assirony
>>25625533It's some /wg/ anons. They don't actually read or write web novels and have no interest in them but hang out here just to shitpost.It's easy to spot them once you realize all their advise is based on how they want things to be rather than how it is.That's why they're saying consistency and volume don't matter, because it doesn't for them. They're not even cut out for tradpub or selfpubbing on Amazon because they're spending 3 years to write a novella and won't even finish it.If you've been here long enough you've also seen them seethe about prose in web novels, they want prose to be the most important thing when in reality workman-like prose will get you by and is even preferred by the wn phone readers (the vast majority).
Asked Claude to help me convert my WN into an RPGMaker game.Gonna take my chances on steam instead.
>>25625669you replied to the wrong personhe's the one saying consistency doesn't matter and you're pseudo-agreeing with him, or at least it reads that way
>>25625693narrative is like the least important part of a game and nobody plays RPGMaker games unless they're porn so good luck with that lmao
>>25625693why not a visual novel
>>25625701I'll be rewriting implied sex scenes into real sex scenes and commissioning an artist>>25625702Not enough porn
>>25625704If you're going to make a porn game with ai anyway why restrict yourself to rpgmaker? Just look at the trending list and clone one of those.
>>25625704yeah what >>25625710 saidpeople use the RPGM framework because it made dev easy and fastclaude will slave away and build an entire engine for you to your specs. 0 reason to use RPGM in your casealso VNs don't need tons of porn. if narrative is your selling point you should spec into narrative. otherwise converting your WN into a game makes no fucking sense at all, because mechanics and gameplay is 99.9% what matters. drop your WN ideas entirely and just make a good game (because your WN might just stifle the gameplay), or go VN. IMO.
>>25624513It's orderly and just what anyone would expect from chapter 1 of The Demon Queen Is On Vacation. But it lacks heart to me, and because of that certain sterility you don't need to tell anyone you didn't enjoy writing it. She'd make a better protagonist with a stronger motivation, and the scene-setting isn't particularly rich. The tone setting is also a bit shaky (could've done with more comedy to fit the genre). Overall, would continue a few chapters but probably not pick up.
>>25625693scope creep is the killer of all projectsjust release the WN first, then rebuild on steam after as a plan B
>>25625669>If you've been here long enough you've also seen them seethe about prose in web novels, they want prose to be the most important thing when in reality workman-like prose will get you byi'm a prose seether but in the sense that excerpts here (and lots of WNs) are so shit they're unreadablethere are tiers to depravity, one slophog is not equal to another. i can read worm/mol/apgte etc but i can't read the average rising stars story, the prose turns me awaymost of the high-tier web novels have workmanlike prose where lots of the shitty midlisters don't, it's just awful grammatically incorrect garbage with no flow. and so i tell anons to pull their heads out of their asses and value prose more because you ain't clearing the minimum bar yet, buddy, and reaching that point takes study and deliberate effort
>>25625748What is a "good prose" WN to youJust so we have some comparison. I do agree Anons should read the Elements of Style though
>>25625760i don't care about good prose, i care about clearing a minimum bar and i named three in the post you replied to
>>25625764I haven't read a RS in forever, but most people can't at least reach MoL level these days? Not saying it's bad but it's pretty simplistic and doesn't really do anything special with it's prose
>>25625775>Not saying it's bad but it's pretty simplistic and doesn't really do anything special with it's prosethat is exactly my pointand yes the vast majority of RS novels (and excerpts posted here) are way shittier than MOL
Should I have my MC be a murderhobo right off the bat? Or should I throw in a few betrayals and traumatic experiences to make him a murderhobo?
>>25625913>I have my MC be a murderhobo right off the bat?A lot of them are so do whatever you want
>>25625748>>25625786Since you’re so confident in your ability to judge good prose from bad, tell me how to improve this. (Not a real story, just an example of how I’ve been trying to write.)The phone rang for a good five minutes before Anon finally heaved himself upright. The floor tilted beneath him. He could swear he hadn’t touched a drop last night, so what do you call a hangover without the drinking? Right. Feeling like shit.He steadied himself on the edge of the mattress and dragged a hand through his thinning hair. The ringing hadn’t let up once. This was going to be painful.“You’re late,” a clipped, high-pitched voice said the second he picked up.Becky. He could picture her perfectly plucked eyebrows knotting together beneath that tight ponytail.“I know.”“You should’ve been here half an hour ago.”“I know.”“Where the hell are you? Don’t tell me you’re still at home.”“Fine, I won’t.”“Damn it, Anon. Get your ass over here right fucking now!”His grip tightened on the phone.Becky was his guild agent. She was young, pretty, and ambitious, with the skills to back it up, which was how she’d landed the job of representing one of the country’s top heroes in the first place. Lately, though, she’d gotten into the nasty habit of acting like he worked for her instead of the other way around, as if he couldn’t snap her tight little body in half like a Barbie doll.“Never take that tone with me,” he said. “I spent sixteen hours yesterday clearing the Goblin Dungeon. Not the army. Not Sam’s party. Me.”Silence. Then: “That’s exactly why we need you. We’re running out of time before the next incursion.” She paused. “Anon, I wish there were somebody else I could call. I really do. But you’re the only A-rank delver in the tri-state area, and a lot of good people are going to die unless you step up. I hope you understand that.”Her last words practically dripped honey. The girl knew exactly how to push his buttons.He groaned. “I know. I’ll be there.”
>>25625940I would combine all the sentences from "damn it Anon," to the barbie doll sentence. Same with Silence to The girl. He groaned can be changed to a colon.
>>25625940Tina?!?!
>>25625947into one paragaph of each example I mean. The point is, it's ok to merge senetences after dialogue: there is no need to abuse your enter key. It's not your therapy goblin chained to the heater. Don't treat it as such. Beat your enter key with caution and precision wherever needed.
>>25625701>narrative is like the least important part of a gameKinetic novels exist. They have so little gameplay they technically are not games.
>>25625940im not really taking this post seriously but there are connective issues. like a dude lying in a mattress and saying "the floor tilted beneath him". it's obviously better to use "the world tilted around him" or something. he's in a mattressi wouldn't have said anything since it mightve been a one off weirdness, but then you do>He could picture her perfectly plucked eyebrows knotting together beneath that tight ponytail.eyebrows don't logically follow as "beneath" a ponytail. a ponytail evokes BEHIND HER HEAD imagery and eyebrows are front of face. some hairstyles (bangs) would work with this but not what you gaveit's just a lack of understanding how other readers perceive your work.i don't really do in depth prose reviews anymore because people just don't reply, it's a waste of time
>>25625958i don't consider VNs real games
>>25625960>Anon finally heaved himself upright… He steadied himself on the edge of the mattress…The mental image was he was sitting on the edge of the bed with his feet on the ground.For the tight ponytail, I meant the area in the pic. I didn’t know how to describe it concisely.So I guess I should stop trying to be so minimalistic with the descriptions.
>>25626000yeah like i said it's an issue of you having a mental image and not conveying it to readers. with the ponytail concept, i even said "yeah makes sense for some hairstyles" but you circled the part of the hairstyle that is white space, and doesn't link to the ponytail at all. the ponytail is the fucking ponytail my guyminimalism is GREAT when you convey the full idea. cutting crucial info that paints the core image is dumb, makes me think you read youtubeslop advice and tried to implement it without understanding the concept behind why people say "cut unnecessary words"you cut necessary words
>>25626000>knotting together beneath that tight ponytail.knotting together on her face would work fine; just find somewhere else to mention the ponytail if needed>I should stop trying to be so minimalisticNot at all.Want help with Minimalistic descriptions?Read pic related.
>>25625960lmao i imagined he passed out on the floor, got up and sat on the bed. it doesnt say anywhere he was laying on the mattress
>>25625947>>25625955Why combine different ideas into one paragraph?Backy’s dialogue --> “Damn it, Anon. Get your ass over here right fucking now!” Anon’s action beat --> His grip tightened on the phone. Exposition/Anon’s thought --> Becky was his guild agent. She was young, pretty, and ambitious, with the skills to back it up, which was how she’d landed the job of representing one of the country’s top heroes in the first place. Lately, though, she’d gotten into the nasty habit of acting like he worked for her instead of the other way around, as if he couldn’t snap her tight little body in half like a Barbie doll.And I don’t think [He groaned: “I know. I’ll be there.”] makes sense, since he’s not groaning his answer. He groaned. Then spoke. Two separate actions.
>>25626015ok? and?
would you soul search Spectral Soul?[Y/N]
>>25626020there was no connective issue with the mattress, that's your own hallucinationand i think the tight (emphasis on tight) ponytail issue was a synonym issue, not connective. he wanted to describe 'when hair is pulled back tightly'. i am no expert in woman's hairstyles or if there's even a word for backwards bangs, but i think 'widow's peak' might have done a better job?
>>25626044>there was no connective issue with the mattress, that's your own hallucinationif you are a professional writer your descriptions should parse for 99.9% of readers. are you arguing i hallucinated in the 0.1%?i won't deny i skimmed that shit, i even said i didn't take it seriously.but if your argument is "it parsed for me" instead of "this clearly parses for almost all readers" then you're on a different wavelength, you're probably a newbie writer. it's okay, i get it, newbies are crazy defensive about their writing which is what creates the shithole that all of /lit/ suffers through
>>25626048>it should parse for 99.9% of readersare we writing for third graders here? i mean, i know this is the webnovel thread, but have a little self respect. you misread it because you skimmed it, thats on you, dumbassbut if your argument is "it didnt parse for me" instead of "this clearly doesnt parse for almost all readers" then you're on a different wavelength, you're probably a newbie writer. it's okay, i get it, newbies are crazy defensive about their writing which is what creates the shithole that all of /lit/ suffers through
>>25626053yeah you're a newbie lolyou have no clue what publishing is likekeep it as a hobby
>>25626044>>25626048What are you guys arguing about? That hairstyle is called a tight ponytail. That’s it. There’s also the loose ponytail, sleek ponytail, high ponytail, low ponytail, middle part ponytail, etc. All of those refer to how girls style the hair around their scalp, not the tail in back. Because obviously, a tail swinging freely behind them can’t be tight unless somebody pulls on it.
>>25626074i've said it multiple times but you're entirely disconnected from how others read your writingwhen you type "tight" ponytail almost none of your readers will hard lock on to that adjective to reframe their reading experience around that singular adjectiveyou're expecting them to read "tight ponytail" and visualize the pulled back scalp, so they can then read "beneath" that as being her eyebrowsidk explaining these concepts to newbies is so fucking pointless. im tired of being in this thread honestly
>>25626084idk man you may just have autism
>>25626091perhaps but im an autist with more readers than all of this thread combined times ten
i'm working on a new story. There will be an asexual female main character. This is my special gimmick that will suck. At one point a guy will fall for her hard and he will experience YEARNING which i hear is really big right now. There will be chapters from his point of view to explain how sincere his feelings are and how he will never have her. This will make everyone hate the main character.
>>25626091also I really think I only come off autistic because I'm "explaining the joke" to people who dont get the jokethese are simple concepts and I'm having to elaborate at length which always seems autistic
critic gets criticized once>"i didnt take my criticism seriously">"i didnt understand it because the writer doesnt understand how readers read, it was a skill issue on the writers side">"ugh i hate this thread just cant deal with these rookies">"i have thousands of readers, no i will not elaborate further">"im not stupid, i just have to explain things to stupider people so i sounded stupid"
seethe
>>25626097or hear me out... She's hypersexual instead, a special gimmick that is good. The guy who falls for her gets relentlessly NTR'd, which is also really big right now. There will be chapters from his point of view to explain how small his shrimpy is and how he will never have her for himself. This will make everyone go 'god i wish that was me'.
>>25626135my plan was to have a companion be hypersexual and harass the mc actually.
>>25625327Focus on how your story is different from the hentai and emphasize that.
>>25626178People do NOT like sexual harassment. The seethe will be twice as hard if you've established an asexual MC and everyone picks it up thinking it won't be haremslop
>>25626222it won't be haremslop tho
>>25626225You've already established two characters flirting with the MC. Everyone is going to treat it (and review it) as haremslop and aren't gonna believe a word you say (I don't either)
>>25626178>have a companion be hypersexualStopped reading there. Your novel goes straight into trash
>>25626228the second character would not flirt with the MC. She'd make observational comments.
>have a companionunrealistic, dropped
>>25626267Just having a team with a female makes it into harem or at least some sort of goon shit garbage.
new story, hot femc. i sexualize her constantly, and it almost seems like chud male gaze bait, but here's the catch. i also sexualize the dudes from her pov, and describe her cocklust in full detail. perhaps describing dicks even more than her. its still technically straight tho. genius, right?
>>25626280sounds great, lets see that chapter 1
>>25626280women are only allowed to be horny for women on RR
Are you guys gonna try to do nanowrimo? I'm gonna try to use it to finish my current draft of a book 1, aiming for it to end up being around 80k words. Day 1: 1703 words.
