well, he was proven pretty much right, no?
>>25613464He wasn't, but Spengler was. Even Fukuyama has awakened to the reality of the death of liberalism, like a man that swears by the cross and converts to Christianism in his deathbed.
>>25613464About what?
>>25613464nope
>>25613464Right? debatable, but you can't deny how influential he's gotten on both sides of the political spectrum
>>25613466Fukuyama and Hegel for that matter, are both garbage. At least Marx’s end goal for the progress of history is a hippy world without borders or money - it’s a bit infeasible but it’s something to aspire to. Imagine thinking 2010 era USA or 19th century Germany are the end game of history.
>>25613464not hugely, he'll probably be remembered at worst as a Rasputin-like character and at best as a technology theorist comparable to Stiegler or Mumford. However, I do think that Heideigger is extremely guilty of being anthropocentric when he asserts that we can only understand technology through "being" because it's fucking obvious that technology (in a BROAD abstract sense) works in certain ways that being cannot comprehend at least initially (ie the reasoning behind an AI's implementation of complex mathematics), and Land, though totally batshit, certainly picks up on this in his work.
>>25613672It's not the end of history, come on man.HIS STORY. Germany can have it's history end. We want to progress rationally. We just want things to be clean that 's all. You all can have your own countries. We need to have fact and then also have stories. If you want to make a culture, that is mabye just a littel strange that can be ok. WE just need one place for us. Hitler > Stalin
>>25613625He is evil and his current boomer retardation depresses me but yes he is a serious intellectual figure to contend with and was ahead of his time, he will influence many in the future
>>25613466>Even Fukuyama has awakened to the reality of the death of liberalismNot really. He acknowledges existential risks like AI but he's still coping. He thinks America will clean up the mess Trump made pretty swiftly and regulate AI successfully. Everyone knows the opposite will be true, liberalism will hitch its wagon to the illiberal oligarchs in order to survive
>>25614263Just stop coping then I see you
technological development and AI will destroy liberal democracy and capitalism
>>256142711)we could surely say that,AI and other technologies acquire the ability to perform almost everything humans can do.2)s a result, AI and technology will begin automating most jobs in the future.3)Consequently, massive job losses will occur.4)Because people will no longer be working, they will lack disposable income, leading to a significant drop in aggregate demand.5)This will trigger a severe recession.6)Unlike past economic downturns, there will be no job recovery afterward, because AI and advanced technology will perform most human tasks much more cheaply.7)This will result in a permanent recession and potentially the collapse of capitalism.>Inb4 the lump of labour fallacy:I actually preempted the lump of labour fallacy. Because future AI and technology will be able to do almost everything humans can do at a cheaper cost, humans will not get new jobs. This is precisely what differentiates this new technological revolution from past ones, which ultimately created more jobs than they destroyed.These collapses sometimes result in major wars. Liberal democracy likely won't survive, as it goes hand in hand with capitalism and depends on a large middle class that cannot exist without it. I don't know for sure what will happen next, but the best possible outcome is that Peter Thiel takes power, becomes a philosopher king, builds an anti-democratic cyberpunk utopia, and hunts down Luddite antichrists.
>>25613464It's hard for me to ignore the Kabbalah turn around the time Madonna converted, or maybe reverted in her case. Maybe he wanted to be her goy. It's also hard for to me to ignore the Kabbalah mental theme park, it's kind of like reassuring intersectional cross study majors in interpretive dance that there will be a place for them in fagfashtopia and they are wokesters after all. Maybe as some sort of attempt to collect foreskins to impress Madonna.On the other hand he does admit Kabbalah isn't about calculations. It can't get to rational numbers and it basically can't recognize irrational numbers unless someone is trying to fetishize a sum. It's just number fetishism with people arguing about how they avoided quantity and quality so they don't out themselves as perverts and doing math but also allows them a space for enthusiasm. If this was a practical turn for him I can't really fault him. Maybe that's also why Guenon wound up saying it was needed all over the place.>tldr: if you have to ask get back to the gemmatria
>>25614312>7)This will result in a permanent recession and potentially the collapse of capitalism.capital will simply escape the need of human labour>Liberal democracy likely won't survive, as it goes hand in hand with capitalism and depends on a large middle class that cannot exist without it.Correction: liberal democracy won't survive, but capitalism will. Just see China, the perfect example of illiberal capitalism
>>25614312Nobody buys the idea that the antichrist is going to create a world totalitarian state by curtailing the very technologies needed for such a state. The absurdity is flagrant and its obvious that thiel is just smearing his burgeoning opposition in a Schmittian sense like the good chess player he is.
>>25614312>1)we could surely say that,AI and other technologies acquire theRETARD WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW THE READA=ADUMB FUCKING RETARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!K I L L Y O U R S E L F!!!YOU ARE IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!
>>25613464He's become the new fad philosopher, but I wouldn't say he's right. He will be forgotten in a decade or so
>>25614349Yeah, probably the Chinese system, or a system similar to it, awaits us in the future.China isn’t really capitalist or even socialist in a straightforward way,it’s more of a mix of both. Anyway,the current form of capitalism that exists around the world probably won’t persist.
Does early Land predict anything about the current era, with so-called AI? Does he predict something like ChatGPT?
>>25615115https://youtu.be/fiaWsgtJrNI
>>25613464>the evil neoliberal cathedral is totalitarian and inhuman>this is why I must support the creation of an anti anthropomorphic god who will do with what it will>*legitmates right populist neolib candidate no.7777*they might have interesting ideas but their actual politics are so retarded it makes anarchists look like Hobbes
>>25615516>>the evil neoliberal cathedral is totalitarian and inhumanLand never said this THOUGH
>>25615516>>25615553Why do all of Land's critics misunderstand him?
>>25615563outside his speculative philosophy (feedback loops, disregarding anthropocentrism, ect) there really isnt anything of worth. anyone who unironically supports robinson or the populist right politicians is terminally retarded, and supporting one cathedral niggas over another
>>25615573>the point of the Cathedral is that it's badagain you don't understand Land
>>25615573Land is extremely right about neoliberalism here, although the solution lies in Spenglerian Caesarism, not these people's AI death cult. One way or the other, neoliberalism and all its libtard and fagwad supporters are gonna get the wall.
>>25615587yes but being right about what it is and why its bad is irrelevant when you functionally support it and its most retarded benefactor>>25615586yeah yeah its yarvin, but he he has been a fellow of land for over a decade, both have functionally the same politics even if their teleologies are different (wanting a cathedral of liberal authoritarian company towns vs supporting non human agency) and boths politics have become completely destroyed by opportunism, and infantile support to anything which says woke bad
>>25615592Nothing intelligent makes it out of Twitter.
>>25614271But anon, AI is capitalism
>>25615516>the evil neoliberal cathedral is totalitarian and inhumanWrong, the cathedral is essentially a right-wing critique of what was described in his early works as the human security system. It’s not inhuman, if anything it’s all-too-human
>>25616065nrx fundamentally treats the cathedral as politically evil in their rhetoric (which i dont condemn out of shared laziness). nrx whole view is that the cathedral, the wokeism and blame circulation it fosters end up being more totalitarian than an outright authoritarian system (preferred soft corps with right to leave), in a way they are humanistic despite being very anti sentimental (at least according to themselves). not including land who literally wants to be disemboweled by skynet
>>25616799Does Land actually even want to summon the machine god any more? It feels like he's aged int another crotchety old Englishman who hates brown people.
>>25616805now that I think about it I dont actually know.. maybe he's pretending to still want it to stay relevant
>>25616814Nice to see these people weaving jokes about titties in with the urge to summon a galactic rampage imperial war machine. No group of people have deserved to be gunned down by automatic gun fire in history. It would be unjust to NOT massacre these evil nerds.
>>25616814These types of public conversations will result in expedited death sentences for everyone involved with what ever first AI/ASI mass casualty event. They know they're bringing out the end of times with it and think theyre going to get away with it.
he's got a cult of dweebs finding 666 (and other repdigits) in different gematria ciphers
>>25613464Techstep is way better than liquid drum and bass: therefore nick land is wrong and humanist proletarian communism will defeat computers.Take your ecstasy comrade.
>>25613464>>25613466Ellul vindication-mogs
>>25613464This retard spent 10 years preaching that bitcoin was just about to replace fiat and destroy the global financial order, but now look at it. It's a pet rock with a price that's strongly correlated with everything this bozo claimed it would hedge against. Do his fans just forget the 10 years he spent with cryptocurrency blogging as his #1 thing?
>>25617148His entire future AI god idea was entirely ripped from The Terminator. Land is a total hack. Much like the Unabomber (who was derivative of the following scholars), you are better off reading directly Mumford, Ellul, and Landgon Winner than letting 2nd rate thinkers and flat out druggie frauds pollute your mind.
>>25617165>Langdon Winnera rock critic for Rolling Stone that's not a pseud? i almost don't believe it.
>>25617274Shut up retard.
>>25617277lol? big lester bangs guy or something?
>>25613464>, no?kys
>>25617148>the 10 years he spent with cryptocurrency blogging as his #1 thing?This genuinely never happened
>>25617346He was unironically writing a book about how blockchain solves the problem of spacetime and posted the WIP to his substack around 5 years ago. It’s actually not the worst thing he’s ever written, but it fails spectacularly by hedging his bets that crypto would solve not only our current financial system but even philosophical questions about the absolute temporal sequencing of events across seemingly irreconcilable cosmic distances. If crypto failed to provide a real alternative to big banking, it stands to reason that it probably wont fix big metaphysics either.
>this schizophrenic crackhead doomsday cultist is right FOR SURE this time...why the fuck do you keep falling for this
OH LOOK THIS THREAD AGAIN.
He's the Nostradamus of our time
>>25613464I wonder if he frequents these threads.
>>25618968Chances are he’s too much of a boomer to even make it past the captcha. Also he already has plenty of sycophantic accfags on X hanging on his every word, it’s not like he needs validation from a board which (on the whole) thinks he’s retarded
>>25618950Are you out of Right Wangers? I'm sure the bap tweet thread isn't producing any. I'm feeling generous, yeah, I don't want to leave you with nothing like Strauss did. If you can't stomach Strauss and the Germans and are looking for viable contenders then there really aren't many. Even Strauss critiqued Burke, so going pre-Strauss likely isn't the place to look. Continetti is one that surprised me, you can skip his Palin book, it's likely trash. He wrote one called the 100 year war for Conservatism though, he chronicled the mindset that generally tends to cripple most authors and even manages to avoid Strauss on certain topics while casting a pretty wide definition. >there is a catch. If you accept his critique then conservatism has already departed the right wang, and you'll have to hope for some change.>he is a millennial, they ruin everything.
>>25613464Problem with these post-liberal philosophers is that they fall into the same trap as Marx: they correctly observe the flaws and shit but then give a totally retarded solution. “The Cathedral exists and the ONLY SOLUTION is a neo-reactionary technocratic monarchy.” That just sounds retarded af like literal fairy tale land shit.You don’t have to prescribe some totally whack ass radical solution to the flaws of liberalism. Even just pointing them out as a sort of “Tsar’s most loyal and respectful subject” is enough. Honestly I feel if Fukuyama still wants to save his reputation he could probably become this guy.
>>25618984Imagine how much more productive political and philosophical discussions would be if we just totally dropped the “Left Wing, Right Wing” shit all together.I don’t even think these two categories exist anymore in our present political world, if they ever did in the first place.
>>25618979Yea, I don’t have much time for him, though I wonder what he would have been like, how he would have turned out, if he was educated at Oxford, not shithole Warwick. I wonder if his interests would have remained the same, and if they did, if he would be a more or less powerful philosopher. He certainly would have had less room to breathe; unless he was a singular talent he would have constantly had to relate his continental interests to the, parochial, interests at Oxford: Wittgenstein, philosophy of language, religion, and logic; maybe some Heidegger, some medieval philosophy, certainly the Greeks. I wonder who he would be now, if anybody. Though certainly I would love to read a competent fanged noumena.
>>25618988Ah would you look at the time, it shabbos o clock somewhere. Get back to collecting foreskins for Madonna goycialist. I can't really fault you, I'd try to fuck her too.
did he talk JQ?
>>25619314Erm no he actually incorporated the Kabbalah
>>25618988What if we, hear me out, did a little left wing socialism and a little right wing nationalism and just put em together
>>25619455too spicy
>>25618994>maybe some HeideggerPretty sure he did his doctoral thesis on Heidegger.
