"There's no such thing as a banned book" editionPrevious: >>25604586>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Thread questions:What's the last book you read?What's the current book you're reading?What do you plan to read next?
Science fiction set in space is lame.Fantasy set in the middle ages is lame.
>>25612945What are your preferred settings for those?
>>25612985Fantasy set in space and science fiction set in middle ages
>>25613001Helliconia, kinda
gimme some WEIRD fukken RECSVurt-anon, I downloaded the book and will start it next time I lay down to read.>read blurb>sounds like a PKD novel>author won some PKD awardyep I'm thinking I'm going to have a good time
>>25613108Schismatrix Plus - Bruce SterlingThe guy never wrote anything like it before or after. The short stories included are the + and they are very good as well.
>>25612945So you have no soul?
>>25612894>What's the last book you read?The City of Dreaming Books. Very good shit, highly recommend.>What's the current book you're reading?The Amber Spyglass. I love His Dark Materials but this last book is such an acid trip.>What do you plan to read next?Moby-Dick most likely. But in terms of fantasy probably something King Arthur related like The Once and Future King.
>>25613125fukken downloaded
>>25612945aren't you a special boy>>25613001lollmao
>it's a count Fenring chapter
>>25613108Vladimir Sorokin - Ice Trilogy, Telluria, Blue LardDavid R. Bunch - Moderan
>>25612834>kind of lameDunno what you mean, not the word I'd use to describe ultra extreme viking warrior sentiment. They did turn Mercury into their own private Valhalla which is kind of dickish to the mortals still living there.
>>25613194then why not just wish for valhallla
>>25613196Question makes no sense
>>25612894>What's the last book you read?Sordaneon>What's the current book you're reading?Sordaneon>What do you plan to read next?Sordaneon
As I age I find myself agreeing with this more and more unironically.
>>25613354yesideas that must be imparted in half-truths and lies cannot endure direct scrutiny
>>25613108Quarantine by Egan
Books with this feel?
Dead general full of insufferable faggots
>no banlistAre we gonna be alright..?
>>25612894Chapter 1 of Tytania is 6K words.It's entirely about five dukes having a meeting about their military defeat.I'm not sure how the author managed to pad it to 6K words.I did enjoy it. Still find it weird how little happened.
>>25613354Hey, it's Vincent Omniaveritas!
>>25613108Metal Sky - Bodyportal 1don't think it has an en translation tho, it's czech
>>25613176Mmmmm I'll try the Ice Trilogy.>>25613483Read it twice but spot-on weird fucking book I enjoyed immensely.>>25613756Aw I can't read Czech. Even if I could, there isn't a copy on Anna's.
>>25613777Roadside Picnic? Piranesi? The Cat who Walks Through Walls?
>>25613580>>25612894YES, finally I am free to talk about Wolfe once again... Favorite non solar cycle/most underrated story? If non of you have read his Wolfe Archipelago shorts check them out.
>>25613861you were always free to do so anon
>>25612894>What's the last book you read?recently finished the Sun Eater bookslast night knocked off Neal Asher's "the Fetch" short story>What's the current book you're reading????>What do you plan to read next?I was thinking about (re)reading some Tolkien stuff I haven't read since high school(unfinished tales, etc) but I'm not sure yet. I've read just about every high-profilespace opera I know of, running out of options there
I read 300 pages of Shadows Upon Time today brosThe last two Sun-Eater books are easily the best. RIP William
>>25613975>RIP Williamgone too soon
>>25613987He was only 2000 years youngPractically still a child
Just replayed Bloodborne. It's Halloween on Saturday, do you gents have any good fantasy recs reminiscent of it? I looked on Redditt and they're all fapping over between two fires, but I read the first ten pages and it was written like shit.
>>25613777Picrel is weird - or at least somewhat unique - and enjoyable.
>>25613539Almuric, by Robert E. Howard.
>>25614055The Coldfire Trilogy is probably the closest equivalent to Bloodborne in literature.
I'm looking for books about suffering and enduring.
>>25614055Solomon Kane
>>25614063>search archive for reviews>no resultscolor me surprised
>>25614139Navola
>>25614167Sounds cool, thanks for the recommendation.
Genuine question here. I always hear people complaining about Memory, Sorrow and Thorn being too long winded and also having cuck shit. Is there a comparable fantasy story that avoids these pitfalls? “Classic” fantasy with dragons, history, a bit more modern, etc. that is tight, concise and no cucking? Obviously LOTR is out of the question.
>>25614189>Memory, Sorrow and Thorn being too long winded and also having cuck shitBy Allah you people are dogs, I will carry on as usual
>>25613975>>25613987>The walls had closed in around William at the last, trapped him in a glass box, forbade even the freedom of his chambers. The king can move but one square at a time, and only where he sees no danger. William had been robbed of all his moves, robbed even of the piano whose music had been his refuge, his last and private joy.
>>25614139The engineer trilogy is about suffering and enduring all manner of bullshit for your family. Basically picrel.
>>25614139>>25614167>>25614181Observe. This is the proper way. Mention the name only. No description. No discussion. No goodreads group link. No yev review. No one needs or wants that. Anon must have blind faith that anon will provide. Anon failed the test by not fully trusting rather than going in blind, but anon can forgive anon. By anon's grace read with joy in your heart.
>>25614055Throne of Bones by Brian McNaughton. Also play the Withering Realm
>>25613935> CultureWhat's the recommended reading order for the Culture novels?Also, anything good with where the protagonist is an AI, or something like Neal Stephenson's worldbuilding (Diamond Age, Seveneves, Anathem)
>>25614669if you've never read any of the culture books I'd say just read them in the order they were publishedsome seem to think Phlebas isn't the best entrypoint but I read them all in order and I don't really know why people think that>AIsalot of AI chars in the Culture as drones and running ships, planets, and orbitals, etcNeal Asher's Polity books are a human spacefaring society ruled by (mostly) benevolent AIs
I'm reading the Three Stignata of Palmer Eldritch and PKD is excellent at writing characters that seem rational and unhinged at the same time. He's like the David Lynch of literature.
>>25613919We have always been at war with eurasia...
>>25614669some Xeelee stories have Virtual (AI) protags but not many; one is the last entry in the series.
Frankenstein is definitely pretty good. I can see why it is influential. The way the monster was discriminated against and the results of that discrimination was a pretty great tragedy.
>>25614189>"dark" fantasy slop
>thinking of how to explain my setting of middle age kingdoms so close to and vaguely respectful of city states>settle on Germanic/Norse-esque invasion of a Rome-like state>explains their relatively barbaric religious practices while being strangely organized>was centuries ago to the point they're not aware the raiders to their coasts are their long lost kinsmen>share the same gods but funnily think the raiders got the pantheon from them I'm thinking of mentioning some far off island nation of that's been conquered over and over again by the original psuedo-Romans, a splinter group of the Germanic/Norse invaders, and as of recently a war band of Germanized Romans as a joke about what a fucking mess Briton's pre-renaissance history was like but it seems kind of mean spirited
>>25614189If allegations of cuck shit are putting you off reading MS&T then you're missing out.To define any of the events that occur in that series as "cuckoldry" renders the word meaningless.As for long winded, that might be a fair criticism of the beginning of first book -depending on your tastes.But I always found the pacing of TDbC pretty comfy.
>>25614669>>25614711I first read Player of Games which was fun and then The Bridge which was weird in a good way. Then I tried Consider Phlebas which started with an interesting set up but it switched into an action sci-fi B movie and I didn't finish it
I have an idea for a modern fantasy story that I think would do well on royalroad. What kind of posting schedules should fantasy stories there operate on? Assuming each update is an average of 3k words. I could write that much nearly every day, but I'm not sure if posting too frequently is a problem.
>>25612894I don't come her often. Why were mods being assholes in previous /sffg/ threads and banning discussion of authors?
>>25612894The only reason I lurked this thread was for the mega.nz folder. Fuck whoever took it down.
>>25615268no authors are banned. It's just shitposting
>>25615123I think I'll make the psuedo-Germans primarily Gothic.That's something most people have no fucking clue about. And that way I'm not just making up retarded names
>>25615321Tolkien did that
>>25615328motherfucker
>>25615268>Why were mods being assholes in previous /sffg/ threads and banning discussion of authors?It was literally just an anon pretending to be a mod, but the real mods were too lazy to ban him.
>reading blood music, pretty good>people start to disappear, leaving their clothes behind>no goo or fluid, they just seem to have turned into air>what is this bullshit, book better explain this>best i got is when bernard burst into flames and seemingly turned into pure energyis that what happened?the cells turned all the body matter into energy?
>>25612894Why fantasy horror so rare? Any rec? Don't say between 2 fires it's shit
>>25615436frankenstein and dracula
>>25615436Gotrek and Felix is fun. Also >>25614143 and Conan.
>>25612894When does the kinky damane bdsm sex start? Also I've been told that I will hate Egween, but I've been blue balled twice now on why I think she's going to be bad.
>>25615747There's no sex, but the damane stuff starts in The Great Hunt
>>25615801Shame. Yeah i just finished the great hunt. weird ending.
>>25615268The /lit/ wiki is also down.4chan was down recently.It's all tumbling down.
>>25615268It's only been another form of Bakkerfag attempting to disrupt book discussion.
>>25615833Elite human capital saar
>There were a number of efforts to film The Lord of the Rings in the 1950s and 1960s, most notoriously a project spearheaded by Forrest J. Ackerman, which attracted Tolkien's initial approval due to its Rackham-esque concept art, approval which dissipated after the author read the fully fleshed out treatment. This effort eventually collapsed when Ackerman could not afford to renew/extend his option on the material.>There were several later Anglocentric attempts at filming the story, most famously one centered on the Beatles (by most accounts, featuring the four musicians as the four hobbits; others place Paul and Ringo as Frodo and Sam with John and George as Gollum and Gandalf.) Other casting plans included Donovan as one of the four hobbits and Twiggy as Galadriel. The studios involved are said to have approached David Lean, Stanley Kubrick, and Michelangelo Antonioni to direct, all of whom recoiled from the project as impossible to pull off successfully.>John Boorman, then regarded as an artistically talented, up-and-coming director, approached United Artists with a proposal for an Arthurian fantasy. The studio, however, offered him the opportunity to direct a three-hour, single-film adaptation, and Boorman began preproduction work on the project. He and collaborator Rospo Pallenberg write a nearly 200-page script, condensing the three volumes down to a simplified sequence of key scenes. Tolkien was surprisingly receptive to Boorman's work in its early stages, partly because Boorman was committed to a live-action adaptation, which Tolkien preferred, and partly because the professor wanted to assure financial security for his ailing wife, and hoped to fully retire to care for her. (However, it is unlikely that Tolkien ever saw a finished script draft.)>Boorman's casting ideas are, in retrospect, rather unlikely. At one point he (or the studio) considered casting the Beatles in the fellowship (a recurrent idea among would be producers at the time) and Mick Jagger as Sauron; at another he planned to cast children as the hobbits, making them up to appear adult and dubbing in adult voices; and he apparently settled on such effects as forced perspective and oversized props and sets that Peter Jackson would use effectively decades later. In the final stages of his work, he is said to have planned to cast Al Pacino as Frodo.
>>25615979>A copy of the final (perhaps only) draft of a finished script ended up in the archives of Marquette University, where most of Tolkien's LOTR papers ended up. Some of Boorman's omissions anticipate Jackson's abridgments -- there is no Tom Bombadil appearance, for example, nor any "Scouring of the Shire." Others are more unique -- there is no visit to Bree; the hobbits simply encounter Aragorn on the road; the Ents are never even mentioned, let alone seen; the Council of Elrond features a great deal of singing, and a performing dog; Saruman inexplicably becomes Sauron's herald (the "Mouth of Sauron"); and Gandalf tortures Gimli to stimulate his ancestral memories when he does not know the password to the gates of Moria. All sorts of characters meet wholly different fates or play quite different roles (especially Aragorn's wholly human queen). Among the defenders of Minas Tirith are a corps of beekeepers. Denethor makes Pippin his court jester. In one particularly senseless change, at the climax of the film, Aragorn and his army fights its way to the side of Mount Doom, directing Sauron's attention to Frodo and his quest. And in one particularly odd touch, the ship which carries Bilbo, Frodo, and the Elves to the Undying Lands "is cluttered with ancient tomes, mysterious alchemical objects, beautiful cloth, and dried fish." >Oh, and Frodo has sex with Galadriel.
>book says character looks like X>it is shown like that on the original cover>book gets adapted into movie/tv-show>the adaptation contradicts the book's description of the look>book gets new cover that uses adaptation's reimagined look>that contradicts the book's visual descriptionI hate it
>>25616202It was autism.
>>25616202Let me guess, you only hate it because they cast a brother
>>25616202>book gets adapted into movie/tv-show by hollywood or netflix
who would win in a fight severian or aragorn
>>25616292I do think Severian is strong but did he ever show proper swordsmanship?
>>25616321He beat the hell out of the various professional thugs he came across, but not sure if that really counts. It's an informed trait that he's well trained.I think Aragorn wins on experience + magic blood physique.
>>25616321>>25616369Severian is also a manlet while Aragorn is a gigachad pyhysical specimen.
>sword edge for men>sword edge for womenpsuedo-pagan nonsense like this is comedic
>>25616292aragorn cuz according to powershitters he is mountain buster and moves at supersonic speeds
I'm done reading new sff. Time to go hunt for obscure novels at flea markets forever
>>25616202>NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLERdropped >NOW A HIT HBO MAX/NETFLIX/PRIME SERIESdropped>"IT'S GREAT, 10/10" - AUTHOR WHO SOLD A SHITLOAD OF COPIES 20 YEARS AGOdropped >AWARD WINNING SERIESdropped>FROM THE AUTHOR OFdropped>A NEW CHAPTER IN THE LONG STANDING SERIESdropped
>>25616425Based. I found so many paperbacks from the 60s and 70s.
>>25615353>shitpost in OP>"pretending to be a mod"Some of you fucks really need to lighten up.
>>25616433finallysomeone else who gets it
I like the Dune series but I don't think it has much substance beyond quotable dialogue and worldbuilding. Yes, Paul is a fake god but kipling already did that in the Man Who Would Be King. I can't really get myself to care about anything that happens in the first four books the way hardcore dune fans care. Why should I when every single main character has superpowers that tell them the solution to every problem? The last two are better about having real stakes but they're also the most hated books in the whole series.
>>25616520Fake gods were already done 1000s of years ago.
>>25616577That's true but the specific plot of a guy using a prophecy set up by a secret society centuries ago to pretend to be a god but then having to worry about getting killed if the ruse is exposed is specifically a Kipling thing.
I have a hard time connecting to most modern science fiction lit, even when it's good. It just feels like everything has been done and there's little sincere mystery, wonder or ambition anymore compared to the classics. What should I read to get myself off that prejudice?
>>25616520Did you ever read the ending written by his son and Kevin J. Anderson? The writing is abysmal but the story was okay, would've been much better with a talented author though.
>>25616624that's because most modern writers have no soul. They copy a copy of a copy having never read from the classic source which all the great authors they try to copy came from. Johnathan Strange is one of the few novels post 2000s that's good fantasy. And science fiction? I dunno it's even worse for them I know even less, maybe read the novella Elder Race even though the subject matter has been done by Wolfe to death.
>>25616624That's not possible. Once known it's non longer viable to continue doing so. No one can credibly do Venusian jungles or much else of mystery and wonder because it's been eliminated by the cold, uncaring, advancement of knowledge. Well, at least the sort you mean. You long for the imagined nostalgia of a time decades before you were born.
As we learn ever more of our limitations, the more it becomes apparent that the vast majority of science fiction is a fantasy, wishful thinking at best, this is especially so the older that it is.
Bakker > Your favorite author.The truth nuke you still can't handle.
Pitiful after 10 years, Bakkerfag is still incapable of making any post at all whatsoever that does not immediately oust him as a 2016+ newfag bitch.
>>25612894I don't get it; how can people read 16 novels a year?Apparently, that is the national average.I thought reading was a sort of niche interest.
>>25617066There are quite a few here who read multiple times as many in a year. You may not believe that though.
>>25617066>16you are like babby
>>25617201I keep underestimating how fast I can read.With a really boring story, I struggle to read 1K words a day.But with really good one, I can do 10K words
>>25617066Truth be told, I can only manage one novel a year, but I reread my favorite Dr Seuss book fifteen times just to pad my numbers and help maintain the national average
>>25612945Contrarianism is pathetic.
>>25617222bro, i can read three books in a manner of hours>speedreaderYes.I read incredibly fast.The books in question typically have a ridiculous amount of narrative padding that isn't even worth remembering anyway. Holy shit. Writers forgot to keep shit relevant
>>25617066Look up "Average versus Median". Outliers skew averages
>“If you’re fine with it, how about crashing at my flat?”>Fan Hyulick silently stared at the girl’s face, looking at her cheeks flushing beneath the streetlights.>“Don’t get it twisted. We’ll be in separate beds. I live with my grandmother, and she dislikes dissolute morals. A woman must take care of her body when it comes to men.” The last sentence puzzles me. Probably something lost in translation. I presume the implication is that hookup culture corrupts women's bodies, but it is just a really weird expression.
every new book i read just pales in comparison to book of the new sun
Worm is getting a comic run.
>>25617206Isn't 10k like 40 pages? You can't lock in to read more than 45 minutes on a story you're really engaged with?Fucking zoomers, man...
>>25616936He's right thoughbeit. It's in a class above most fantasy slop, and especially most sci fi slop
>>25617725we are so back
>>25617465>doesn't take issue with "don't get it twisted" or the word choice in general Seems like a rather bad translation.
>>25617465>>25617921
>>25617779I recall reading a Goosebumps book in a day, when I younger, dunno how many words those were.>>25617921I assume twisted means "don't get your panties in a bunch".
>>25618025No, that's not what it means. ESL much?
>>25618025It's AAVE, Black American slang.
>>25616520does anyone still have that image of the dune books showing where it's ok to stop reading?
>>25618025>I recall reading a Goosebumps book in a day,Reading a book in the time it took to write it isn't that impressive.
>>25617465Apparently, it is a translation of the idiom "karada wo daiji".And it is very difficult to translate without sounding formal, which clashes with the rest of the slang.I guess the translator should have more liberties.Something like.>Don't even think about it. My grandma will be there, and she has zero tolerance for hookups. Women ought to be pure, she says."
>>25617815What other fantasy books/series, besides LotR, are in the same category?
>>25614189If you are put off by "long winded" storytelling that basically condemns you reading only modern slop where writers barely bother to create a scene before they throw you into a contrived Hollywood-esque action sequence.
>>25615219Honestly and this comes from a writer, perhaps forcing 3k a day might be the death of your career. You should take stuff slow, let it shimmer, if you force yourself you will get tired, you will rush things, plus, you do need rest to keep it fresh(t).Plus, you need to planify the lore, do world building, build characters plan even more stuff. Its A LOT of work. Its just unrealistic to do everything on a day, doing all that will at least take you a week, considering you rest so your hypoteticall sleep deprived brain doesnt fry it.I am talking from experience, give yourself more than a day, give yourself rest, know your limits and dont push em.I believe in you, Anon! You got this! Happy writing! Good luck!
>>256170661. How long is the average book? Reading sixteen 200-300 page novels could be equivalent to you reading four 1000 pagers the whole year.2. People on booktube/booktok admit that they only read the dialogue and skip all narration and have been getting called out for itI got 12 books for Christmas then realized it was silly to complain I only got through a third of them when given the sheer volume and ranging page counts (and picking up and reading other books throughout the year)
>>25618136>>25615219just build up a buffer stockpile have an entire book of chapters ready before you start dripfeeding. frequent (daily) chapters is great for readers at the start but when you catch up to your writing speed you're fucked, transition to weekly after the initial deluge?
>>25617066Women. They read a bunch of 100 page "novels" about the usual things (raped by billionaire, raped by werewolf, raped by billionaire werewolf etc) and post rambling reviews on Goodreads
less than a week til the next Black Company book
>>25618153>How long is the average book?Well, I consider a book to be synonymous with a novel.And Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America defines novel to be a minimum of 40K words so that's like +130 pages.I'm sure people will count 10K novelettes into their account.Really number of books read is kinda bad metric, if anything metric should how many pages/words.>>25618160That could explain it too
>>25618172things I will never say about asoiaf
>>25618198I hadn't read any of it before the first season of the show airedafter it aired, that summer, I read all five of the available booksits incredible to me that 15 years later, here we are lmaoand no, I no longer care and probably won't bother reading the rest assuming they ever come outat this point my only recollection of what has even happened came from the show, not the books
anyone else reading the new buehlman? enjoying so far, halfway through. looks like it might be going into more detail about goblin society which is one thing i was hoping for in daughter's war.
>Criminally entertaining What does this even mean?
>>25618395It feels illegally good.
>>25618431But it's neither of those things?
>>25618445The phrase "it's so good it feels like it's illegal" is a popular meme and idiom used to describe something—like a delicious food, a great deal, or a clever life hack—that is so intensely satisfying or advantageous that it seems like it should break the rules.It plays on the viral internet trend "things that feel illegal, but are completely legal," where people share everyday, rule-abiding activities that trigger a guilty or taboo thrill.Criminally entertaining is the same idea.
>>25618172wait it still ongoing?
>>25618385isnt all of his stuff woke lgbtq garbage?
>>25618494Thanks, ChatGPT!
>>25618496yes (I was kind of surprised too before the previous book)
>>25614189The cuck part is just a meme, girl picks a chad over a loser. The loser isnt even the main character since the book doesnt really have only one. The first book starts slow, there isnt anything wrong with that if you like Tad's prose and slowly setting the tone.
>>25618510are they still worth reading? Doesnt the quality go down after the 3rd book?
>>25618535>the 3rd bookyou mean the White Rose? man there's a ton of stuff after that you haven't read if you stopped thereI'm still reading them for whatever that's worthI mostly just want to see how the story ultimately ends
>>25618510it's not like a reboot but a continuation of the original story, right?
>>25618551yes
>>25618556so how many books now?
>>25618510
>>25618569this will be #13 if you only count the novelshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Company#Novelsdude took a ~25 year break from writing these too
>>2561858413? thats doable to catch up, I'm at book 4 or 5 I forgot. I stopped reading them, don't know if I should start over or not
>>25618509You're welcome, citizen.
>>25618172jesus christend it already
Read darkstalker over three days. Got embarasingly floored from from what I guess can be called whiplash of not having anything in the way of expectations or maybe just expecting something more action adventure related rather then what I actually got which was a setting largely constrained to nobility court romance. (but they're all dragons) I then get slapped across the face by it also being this tightly executed tragedy romance novel where there's a rolling dread throughout for the reader to bite their lips for as Anakin nightchad over here threads the needle towards being a supervillain inspite of his lover and friend moving heaven and earth to avert exactly that. I think what made this part of story so successful is not so much the story of Darkstalker, but the plight of the three friends who try so hard to turn him from the path of evil. The fact that they are not successful makes it hit richer. (Uh spoiler for a prequel/villian origin story but the titular villian does in fact origin)Setting has certain fantasy-isms to let one know repeatedly that these whole dragon nations have depth that is unseen and trusted to not been needed for the story. It's a tight ship and doesn't have the pages to waste time or effort on going over vestigial information about ther dragon's world outside the limited look at three dragon kingdoms who actually matter at all for this story with the night and ice wings having their war and there being a scattering of seawing politics as well theough the first half since 1/3 of three pov's are of the seawing prince/friend to darkie.
>>25618797Oh uh, 9/10 and a higher then not 9 at that. Was really quite impressed.
>>25618797why does that dragon look so gay?
>>25618908You are not familiar with dragon sexual orientation. Judging a dragon by human standards is bigoted.
>>25618919i didn't say he's gay, i asked why he looks gay
Do dragons sniff other dragons butts like dogs?
>>25618934He's tidy and pouting.
>Count Arses Tytania, the younger brother of Zarlisch Tytania, was 23 years old, with sapphire hair, pale turquoise eyes, and skin as white as chalk. The word “melancholy” seemed written on his face in invisible ink. >Fan Hyulick had averted his gaze towards a statue. It was carved from Ementhal marble and depicted two figures embracing. Sensing that something was amiss, Fan Hyulick observed the statue one more. Once he realised what the source of his unease was, he grew gloomy. The two figures embracing were both male. So, what I figure happened was that when this novel was written in the 80s, the outcast villain was gay, but when anime was adapted in late 00s, they thought making villainous gay guy would be controversial so they "modernized" it by making him tranny instead.Based japs.
has there been a mhuman x fdragon book where the latter doesn't turn into a women?womyn have been doing the inverse for years; shouldn't be time for us boys to be appealed to?it doesn't even have to be smut...
>>25618946uhhh what?
>>25618962>reading novel from 80s>it has a gay character>when it got anime adaptation in 00s, that character was made into tranny for some reason
>>25618948>fdragon that doesn't turn into a womanyou're entering vore waters, brother... tread carefully
sci-fi is just fantasy set in some fantastical future for people who think they're too intelligent for fantasy set in the past
>>25618985Vore is the most intimate form of love. One literally becomes part of the other.
>>25619027that's cannibalism
>>25618997What about sci-fi set in the current day, or even the past?
>>25619029delusionalwasted potential as the story becomes about muh precursors instead of the actual storyoh hey, that happened with assassin's creed
>>25618528If you're reading fantasy novels you're a "loser", so why would you want to be reminded that women will pick chads instead in your escapist fiction?
>>25618997Sci fi is fantasy for people who prefer a world where people aren't shitting in buckets and bathing once a year.
Fantasy = fat nerdScifi = skinny nerd
>>25619117
I'm reading Alfred Bester and they really don't make them like they used to.
>see the Khopesh once>want to write several paragraphs of my protag ogling one before making it his main weapon
>>25619321Stuff like that is clearly still published.
>>25619350Name one living author who would say something like this. Seriously, I'll read them.
>>25619321No, all they make now is worster.
>>25619355Lots more aside from these https://basedcon.com/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppieshttps://delarroz.com/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ringo
>>25619321The Stars My Destination, and The Demolished Man are cool
>>25618041Yeah here's the list Dune Dune Messiah Children of Dune God Emperor of DuneDune EncyclopediaHeretics of Dune Chapterhouse: Dune Eye (contains the short picture story, The Road to Dune) >but-but muh stopping point! Shut the FUCK up. Either read them all or don't you FUCKING tourist.
>>25619418>doesn't include the Bryan Herbert and Kevin Anderson kino>calls others tourists
>>25619427I am going to fucking kill you >no arrow so I look like this and say this
>>25619427>kinothe writing is awful
>>25619418the best suggestion is to not read them honestly
>>25619438It's an overrated series but I still think they're all worth reading if you like space opera.
Finished three body problem which was good but I'm having trouble getting into the dark forest. The fact that I have to deal with an entirely new cast of chink names on top of this shitty ant anology at the start is making me reconsider my life choices.
>>25619632How much did Netflix adaptation butcher it?
>>25618946>We have Legend of the Galactic Heroes at home
>>25619641It's literally the same author as LOGH, and he wrote it AFTER LOGHI have mixed feelings about Tanaka. In many ways, I admire his writing; in other ways, it is novice.He has these extensive info dumps in the middle of the conversation, where the narrator (NOT THE CHARACTERS) will just fill the chapter with some irrelevant historical incident; he doesn't even try to blend it into dialogue.And his worldbuilding in any of his works (LOGH, Tytania, Arslan) isn't particularly deep.
>>25619644just look at this https://arslansenki.wordpress.com/book-one/vol1-ch2-i/solid 2K words of infodump for no reason
Dune isn't SciFi btw.
I can't stand when perspective gets split between multiple charactersVery gay
>>25619733You are gay.Multiple perspectives on the same situation is very straight and heterosexual.
>>25619644>And his worldbuilding in any of his works (LOGH, Tytania, Arslan) isn't particularly deep.Worldbuilding is overrated. Stories should be about characters and events in the present, not ancient history.
>>25619379Those are all self published which doesn't really disprove his point. Also most of them I've tried have been pretty bad - a lot more Ayn Rand than Heinlein.
>>25619427>book is filmBoth you and that other tourist-using turd are newfags.
>>25618041>wordswordswordsI didn't even care for the first one desu, so ymmv.Everything it does well has been repeated so many times - and in a more focused manner - it won't feel unique or clever, such is the curse of influence.
>>25619321>Jew hates GodOf course.
>>25618965Are you sure he isn't just effeminate.
>>25619902>“Your features aren’t too bad, but they aren’t to my taste. My palate leans towards more refined tastes, such as the subtly alluring, the richly shadowed, or otherworldly beauty. You are quite crude. At the very best, you are some borderland kind of handsome.” >Although Fan Hyulick knew nothing of this, he once again felt a sense of unease when the attendant entered the room.>He appeared to be male, and yet his features and voice carried an unnerving feminine quality. Seemingly sensing Fan Hyulick’s suspicions, Count Arses Tytania explained with a rather smug expression.>“We’ve destroyed his pineal gland with chemicals to prevent the development of secondary sexual characteristics. Since he can no longer secrete male hormones, he’ll remain a young boy forever. This makes him perfectly suited as a royal attendant.”>Basically, the equivalent of the eunuchs of the ancient Eastern civilisations. Every second in this mansion raised Fan Hyulick’s disgust for its master by one extra centimetre. His chest was already brimming with the urge to beat him up. >Fan Hyulick started calculating the odds of successfully knocking him out and escaping safely but abandoned solving that equation midway. Definitely gay, possibly pedo. Turning him into tranny went full circle.>>25619844Worldbuilding is very important because every possible story and its variations have already been told a thousand times. The only thing that sets stories apart is their worldbuilding. That's the flavor.Like, the story in LOTR isn't that strong because it's merely an excuse to have a tour of Middle-earth
>>25620178>Worldbuilding is very important because every possible story and its variations have already been told a thousand times. The only thing that sets stories apart is their worldbuilding. That's the flavor.Putting the cart before the horse. We don't remember things for flavor. We remember them because of earnestness in their telling.>Like, the story in LOTR isn't that strong because it's merely an excuse to have a tour of Middle-earthTolkien invented languages he wanted to have a classical tale to exist in.
>>25618797>furshit/scalefag coverYeah I ain't reading this.
>>25618385I recently finished it. In my opinion the first book was a little bit more entertaining and funnier, but I still enjoyed it a lot. The resolution to their situation at the end is great but I have mixed feelings about the ending.You get a bit more information about the goblin society but it does not go much into detail. So hopefully you won't get disappointed by that.>>25618507No it's not you dumbass
>>25620326huh?
>pierce brown also prefers victra over mustanghorsefags on suicide watch
>>25620449>>>/mlp/
>>25619897Roman homosexuals are God? Since when?
>>25620178>Worldbuilding is very important because every possible story and its variations have already been told a thousand times.So instead of writing an original story your plan is to write a cliche story where you constantly interrupt the story's flow to make vague allusions to other cliche stories?
I marathoned all of Bakker in May and despite all the misgivings it is still the best thing I read all year lol I just love weird edgy shit
>>25620899I don't believe you at all.
Patrick Stewart is dead, lads.
>>25620940Star Trek Picard sucked.
>>25620855you can't write the original story, nobody can
>>25620940oh, man...
only 86meanwhile Mel Brooks turned 100 this year
>>25620957How is combining two unoriginal stories better than just writing one unoriginal story?
>>25620964He's one of God's chosen, what do you expect?
>>25620957
>>25619844Which is why LOGH shines. The worldbuilding is, quite frankly, shit and should've never been expanded upon beyond "empire and republic are at war, both are corrupt".The characters make it engaging.
>>25621181What's wrong with LOTGH worldbuilding? I remember the storyline of the revolutionaries murdering each other to be pretty interesting.
>>25620972Their god is Satan
>>25621227Not the other anon, but for me everything just feels undeveloped.Take FPA for example. What does story about actually tell about them?>it was founded by runaway serfs with ice ships>they landed a surprising victory in the first year of the 100-year war>bunch of imperialists immigrated there>in modern time it has become corruptAnd that's pretty much everything we know about it We don't know:>how it government operatesIt's supposedly a democracy, but it doesn't even seem to have a parliament, but a supreme council of five people.>what is its second-largest planet after Heinessen>what are its political partiesAll we get is "pro-war" and "anti-war" but those seem to be movements rather than parties.>how centralized it is>what its citizens actually believe beyond "muh, democracy"Most things are just like that. Same thing with the serfs.The empire was serfs, for some reason. And these serfs kinda just exist to show that the Empire is oppressive.They don't serve any other purpose or make any sense (like why wouldn't they mechanize instead of serfdom?).And when Reinhard frees the serfs, it is just a side segment.
>>25619733I hate when writers feel the need to stick to one perspective, or even invent characters just to show me something happening elsewhere. Just show me whatever you need to whenever you need to. Describe the camera angle.
>>25621332Most of these questions don't need answered directly. If you get too bogged down in worldbuilding your story's pace will grind to a halt. Asoiaf is a good example of this.
This is brilliant
>>25618385I'm on the part where Galva gets sick and the Thief almost gets raped by the grimoire. Pretty mid so far, hopefully it picks up.
>>25621344>Asoiaf is a good example of this.ASOIAF does not have good worldbuilding and notoriously retcons itself/has inconsistencies with early books. It's just "detailed".
>>25621378What makes it good?
>>25621433My point is that asoiaf is so caught up in worldbuilding the actual plot grinded to a halt after book 3.
>>25621437It's quite interesting with the prose. It's about a retard writing a memoir about him getting an experiment to be a genius and he regresses back to a retard. The beginning has the prose reflective of a retard, the he goes brilliant, then as you continue the prose reverts back to a retard. It's very very well done. Especially reading his gradual frustration and inability to express his words the way he did before until he's do stupid he can't even fathom ever having been a genius
>>25621455It was supposed to be 3 books then he had to make up a bunch of shit to keep the series going
>>25621344>Most of these questions don't need answered directlyMaybe, but it still needed something to make FPA feel more grounded, rather than just generic USA.>If you get too bogged down in worldbuilding your story's pace will grind to a haltA good writer is able to blend those answers into the story.>Asoiaf is a good example of this.Agree with other anon, it is not good.A lot of history doesn't make for good worldbuilding.ASOIAF history is character-centric; meanwhile, almost everything in Westeros is extremely stagnant.
>>25621480Again, I wasn't saying Asoiaf is good worldbuilding, I was using it to show how worldbuilding can be bad for a story's pacing.
>>25621461>M-MUH... PROOOOOSEEEESHUT THE FUCK UP! SHUT THE FUCK UP! SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!! STUPID FUCKING PROSEFAAAAAAGGOT!!!
>>25621574then read it for the story. jesus fuck what is wrong with you?
>>25621574You probably have terrible taste, and low verbal IQ
>>25621594Projection
>>25621596Wrongerino, little buddy. Go get your Oppositional Defiant Disorder treated.
How many characters are too many in an epic?Someone did some math on GURM, introducing a new character every 0.5 pages.
>>25620964>only 86But he looked old 40 years ago.
>>25621574what the fuck is this hate against prose is this bait? It's the most important part of any book
Never seen so many people on a library waitlist before. I have been out of the library game for a while though.
>>25621437It's literally my diary, for one thing.
>>25618797I have a dragon fetish so my knowledge of this series is from some porn and smut. I prefer seeing humans take it from dragons but dragon on dragon works too.
>>25618948You want a guy fucking a dragon?Knights ward by Ago. Same guy who wrote the foundational XCOM 2 viper fanfic. https://pastebin.com/pXrVvGDL
I like the first law (up to just before the end of ttwp)I like asoiaf (up to ASOS)I like red risingFirst law's second trilogy is dogshit past that point, genuinely feels like it was crammed in and it needed more books than just the oneAsoiaf is utterly disappointing after ASOS, affc was...ok but goddamn progress the plot then you get into adwd and you're like ok affc was a slog but now we're going to progre- aaaand it's more affc but different povs grrm fuck you can't believe people are waiting for more of this shit. Fuck you to anyone who told me to read the books, the show is pretty much comparable and they both shit the bed at the same time after ASOS ends
Spin is like one of those modern American Godzila movies; it gives off the stench of a publisher who got stuck with the project but happens to be utterly embarrassed to be associated with genre fiction, has no hope whatsoever that this book he has on his hands is going to be a profitable endeavor, and so it asks for "a shift in focus" away from the nerdy sci-fi premise. ¿What do you get instead? A serviceable boilerplate family life drama.Every, single, "let's peek into the future" chapter that's intertwined with the main story is completely unnecessary. Were they written to, supposedly, spike the plot with something more adventurous? I'm sure a man with erectile dysfunction could get more blood pumping that this soggy wanna-be spy thriller plot. To keep them in the final edit like that is a baffling decision that serves no purpose other than to:1) Disastrously roadblock the story pacing2) Be a perpetual storm-drain for any possible tension the story was trying to build up, since we know ultimately, what characters are alive well into the future we are shown.The book could have been improved by shaving 100 or so pages, but its all to comfortable keeping its plates... spinning, even after the performance became boring and predictable .Ultimately, Wilson's name does not belong among the greats like Zelazny, Silverberg, Le Guin, PKD.Also, the 3 final reveals were so utterly retarded they deserve their own analysis.
>>25621858>Fuck you to anyone who told me to read the books, the show is pretty much comparableYou have no fucking brain, then. The dialogue in the show was utterly horrid once they ran out of book material. Like a terrible parody of the series. It also loses all logical cohesion. I can't think of any way you could say the show is comparable unless you simply weren't paying attention to anything you read. This is like the opinion of somebody who "read" the books as audiobooks while driving to work or something. Zero retention.
>>25621981What I meant was stopping at season 4 which is where ASOS ends is perfectly fine and corresponds exactly with the downgrade in quality that season 5 and the lack of material brought
>>25621986>What I meant was stopping at season 4 which is where ASOS ends is perfectly fineI am more and more doubting you read the books. The show veered off book material starting in season 2, and it immediately created problems for the larger narrative. This started becoming apparent in season 3, when they had to invent new stuff due to omissions and changes in season 2. They effectively exhausted book material for several characters by season 4 because of their own stupid changes to the plot. GoT had exactly 1 season that was MOSTLY (like 90%) faithful to the books, and it was quality television. Season 2 they started making dumb choices, but it was overall still good. Season 3 is the first season I can't call overall good. The bad decisions were coming home to roost. Season 4 was "watchable" but it was the last season I would call such. Season 5 was putrid trash.But the rot was there from season 2 if you are paying attention.
>>25621996Genuinely what did they scrap that was worth a damn? I can't recall anything. They even added Varys scenes galore, which is much better than in the book where he hardly shows up.I read all my books via audiobook at work btw.
>>25618797>>25620249Not that citing goodreads is worthwhile as any actual metric of literary value but uh..these 'are' the numbers it's getting out there. Like yeah in no world should this actually be in the running for a true top 20 fantasy stories list. Somthing having an attached fandom poison ratings and all that but for a top 50 of fantasy standalones Darkstalker probably solid enough little doorstop to find a spot in there.Again, i found it to be a surprisingly solid novel.https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/153860.Goodreads_Top_100_Highest_Rated_Books_on_Goodreads_with_at_least_10_000_Ratings>>25621838One of the MCs actually get a celibacy oath halfway into it to not pass on magic through his bloodline because they think their magic is inately evil, and later gets over his mope and a bit of a magic fairy tale lovebreak curse to get together with girl while the two extrermly precognitive black dragon POVs both get a couple of seqeunces here they dot on each other about puture baby names and hve detailed future visions about their children that never come to pass because the main cover guy goes dragon mass shooter because he's a racial self-hating halfbreed and Clearsight by the end of book almost juliet's herself over it.Par for the course that there'll be snickerings about haha this sounds like the setup for a dragon smut book ofc but yeah it the story all pretty wrapped up with romance and bloodline talks being a very serious part of things.
>>25621378I can't remember almost anything about the plot but I do remember crying at the end.
>werewolves exist>really dumb humans who are super strong or super strong humans pretending to be dumb so normies leave them alone>one becomes protagonist's pet of sorts>she stays with him until the end of the series>can't decide between her running off with his son for more adventures or staying with his family, mothering a bunch of dangerous wolf girls and boys to safeguard them
Any good novels that have superintelligences in them?
>>25622159And actual superintelligences, not like say the Culture series where the minds are so powerful they can simulate entire universes but end up just having the personality and worldview of normal human beings.
>>25621808I'm currently on the waitlist for that one on Libby in all six or seven library systems I have access to.Project Hail Mary had more on the waitlist, in total, but not a lot more per copy.
>>25622092I, too, enjoy Discworld's Guard series.
>>25622234oh goddammit
>>25622234Carrot Ironfoundersson is a lucky man
>>25622246i just google the pdf and it comes up eventually
>>25622086who the fuck cries at books?
>>25622703People with empathy? Perhaps people without diminished emotionality in general.
>>25618946Eh, Tytania is smaller in scale and deals largely with one ruling clan.
>>25622159Jane from the Ender books. She first appears in book 2.
>>25622703People with excessive estrogen, possibly through unnatural means.
>>25623142Charley pls
>>25622703my penis cries sometimes if the words describe woman good
should i bother with the last three books of the expanse?book 1 and 2 were the best, 3-4 were depressing, and 5-6 were okaydoesn't bode well for books 7-9
>>25622703It needs to hit a chord.When I was young I thought I was a tough motherfucker for not crying about anything, but the truth is I simply didn't have anything to lose yet.
>>25623164No, because based on your enjoyment of stonetoss you'd be rooting for the antagonists and be sad when they lose.
>>25623225Space hippies need to die. Stupid beatniks.
>>25623164where amogus
>>25623103I actually think the scale of Tytania-universe is supposed to be bigger than LOGH's.>Evaluating Tytania’s power, military might, and wealth was no easy task. While her armada of 100,000 vessels was unmatched by any single power, combining the 9 empires, 38 kingdoms, 8 grand duchies, 40 duchies, 151 republics, and 449 interstellar cities in the universe would exceed a million vessels. Of course, it doesn't even name but a fraction of those.
>>25615133>The Bridgethat is one of his mainstream works (Iain Banks, no "M.") though many of them are weird like that. The Wasp Factory is another example. Some of his non-Culture sci-fi is also decent, like "Against a Dark Background" and "Feersum Enjin"
>>25615979>The Beatles as our merry band of hobbitsthat would have been wild! The 60s were a magical era...
>>25623394Any era can be a magical with enough nostalgia, real or imagined.
>>25612894I read a few chapters of Dune.Appreciate Frank Herbert not giving much visual description, unlike GURM. Made it easier to read.I still don't understand why the book is highly rated.
This is now being traditionally published. Seems the tradpubs have begun to publish anything successful hoping to get their share of the revenue. Is this a good or bad thing?
>>25623482Tradpub is dying. They're doing what they can to stay relevant.
>>25618385Just finished it last night and enjoyed it a lot. It's been a bit since I read the first two but I think this one is my favorite of the three despite its flaws of the main plotline not really advancing a whole lot (if at all) from the start of the book. Since the second book was a prequel we have not gotten much closer to anything being resolved since the end of the first book.This didn't bother me personally since I just love reading about the character interactions of Kinch and Galva, the latter of which has grown on me immensely since I begrudgingly picked up The Daughters' War. The ending was also quite a wild ride and made me much more emotional than I expected it to. Kinda sad that there's only one more book planned for the series.
>Red Rising getting a moviePierce Brown is LITERALLY GRRMing us. He's going to work on a stupid fucking movie now and never finish Red God.
>>25623164They use them while having sex. They don't use them to have sex. They have a cock and balls or a vagina depending on their gender just like humans
>>25621908He's an interesting writer but I don't think anyone puts RCW up with the greats
>>25623482>>25623552Tradpub is dead. The two most culturally significant book series of the last 15 years (DCC and Worm) came out on Royal Road and Wordpress, respectively.
>>25621378Seconding. I read this blind which enhanced the twist.
>>25624199>I read this blindWhere do you live? This is classic assigned reading in American public schools.
My favorite band book? Probably renegade by mark e smith>not that kind of bandShut up nerd
>>25624182lollmao
>>25624302I'm not even kidding. What book has came out recently that had a bigger cultural impact? Even the Hugo award winners have no cultural impact anymore.
>>25624304i regret to inform you the internet is not a real place and spacebattles even less so
>>25624306I know three people from my work alone who have read DCC, and one of them is in his 50s. It is also prominently displayed on a pedestal by the front window to my local bookstore.
>>25624319Damn. You work with a bunch of losers.
>>25624324True. I never said they were well-written books, just that they are very popular in a way that traditionally published books no longer are.
>>25624182>Worm>relevantKEKAROO!!!!
>>25624182Both of those things are lessons on how to not write a book and focus on telling a story instead of worldbuilding
>>25624304I think that's because no ore reads shit anymore. Those who do are largely being performative about it which means nothing will ever have a genuine cultural impact.
>>25624350The best anyone can hope for is getting some nepo baby autistically interested in your work to buy the rights for a show or movie.So basically, books have become comics
>>25624203Obviously not in the US. I only got to read this because I was minoring in English at uni.
Finished reading pic related. The prose reads like it was written by an alien at times, and Severian is such a milquetoast protagonist. The plot was meandering and yawn inducing. I read Latro in the Mist before this and it was more of the same, except way too repetitive. I don't get the Wolfe praise he has some cool ideas, but everything else is subpar. I don't think I'll be reading anything from him again.
>>25624376do please go into depth
>>25624182DCC is pretty good, I've recommended it to my book club and they all loved it.
>>25624391horrifying
>>25622159The Second Apocalypse
>>25623552Hard to feel bad for them, they killed themselves.
>>25624551>>25623552Well earned, too. They fell into the recent trap of "flip off your existing customers for nebulous 'modern audience' that has never bought your product"
>>25624376You just don't get it.
>>25624476Pretending to not like DCC is like pretending to not like popular music and be active about it.You just appear retarded to everyone by doing so.
>>25624823>Pretending to not like WAP is like pretending to not like popular music and be active about it.
>>25624613It's not even that, really. Or rather, that is downstream of the original sin of any entertainment business: believing they get to decide what people want. I think it's a consequence of all the consolidation that has happened over the last century, particularly in publishing, but all entertainment media. They don't have much competition, they start to feel like they own the market, and take the audience for granted. But the audience will eventually move on, if they don't like what you offer. It's like everybody, the publishers, the game studios, Hollywood, it's like they all forgot the audience has a choice to simply not give them money, or even attention. Publishers and producers didn't seem to even consider this a possibility, from the way they react when their attempts to ham-handedly push their pet projects blow up in their faces. Endless excuse making, but nobody owns the mistakes, nobody admits they were trying to control the market in an utterly deluded fashion. Publishers have always been gatekeepers when it comes to fiction, but back when there were many competing publishers vying to control their niches, this simply encouraged them to publish as many high quality books as they could. Now that everything is consolidated, they feel people don't have a choice about where they get books.
>>25624882Actual customers stopped being their customers is what you're noticing. Their customers became investors, their business being succesful became less important than their business being appealing to investors, specifically huge corporate investors. It doesn't matter if you don't sell any books if Blackrock gives you a billion dollars.Now that the money printer has run out of ink they're realizing they sabotaged their long term viability.
>>25624935i hope they rot in hell
>>25624376FILTERED Many such cases
>>25624376Read Fifth Head of Cerberus. If that doesn't convince you, then give up on him. BOTNS is a meme propogated by a certain type of people.
>>25624935For Hollywood and video games, yes, investors became the main concern of the people in charge. But publishing fiction is a different beast. Publishing as a whole definitely has investment money wrapped up in it, but that's mainly in the academic side of the business, particularly publishing for textbooks. That's a racket that makes fiction look like small potatoes, excepting a few very big names who attract Hollywood producers.
>>25624376Mostly my reaction, too. A lot of fart-sniffers suck his dick for using unreliable narrators like he invented them, as if adding an extra dimension of complexity makes up for the tedium of his writing.
>>25625021It's all the same beast. Look at ((who)) owns and runs the big private equities that own the big 5 publishing companies. You'll find ((something)) in common with Blackrock.
>>25623816This is why you should never read unfinished series.
>>25623388> The Wasp Factory is another example. Im not a fan of his books when he writes with an "M" in his name, but was told to give this a try, what do you suggest?
>>25625025Jack Vance > Wolfe
>>25625144I love them so much. I would suck both their cocks if their ghosts appeared right in front of me. God bless them and God bless the United States of America.
Feels like God Emperor of Dune gets all this undue praise because it's babies first weird sci-fi novel when Heretics and Chapterhouse are way more engaging. You even see people say "oh stop after God Emperor the last two are too weird" as though the previous four weren't also weird. They're fans of Dune, but actually reading the whole series is icky or something. Plus there's this concept that Warhammer ripped off God Emperor of Dune even though History of the Runestaff's God-King Huon and Perry Rhodan are older than both. The ending is also very I, Claudius and very Wagner-esque. The worldbuilding is cool (Duncan especially) but 400 pages of Leto being horny for a girl he just met with the occasional good chapter thrown in isn't great reading.
>>25624376>The plot was meandering and yawn inducing.This is what happens when technology destroys a generation's attention span: You are unable to appreciate anything that isn't constant action.
>>25624376>threadly BotNS postepic xD
>>25625285Says the manchild who gets filtered by literal pulp stories and has to resort to pretending his idol gene wolfe is a literary genius on par with joyce and proust.Grow up.
>>25624182>>25624613>>25624882You’re all saying a hell of a lot of ranty morality chatter that is completely vestigial to the fact of exactly why print is on life support is that people don’t need to read on paper and haven’t in a long time and also in regards to getting entertainment people have had infinite access to video entertainment and interactive entertainment to further crowd out reading as a thing anyone might do for fun and it’s been this for a long time now.
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