>>25611788Why has this form of idealistic science worship aged so badly? I can't put it in words.
>But there's another reason: science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking.Thanks SagPT
im telling /sci/
>filtered by fucking Beavis & Butthead of all showskek
>>25611788Carl Sagan was a glowie pseud who worked on a secret project to nuke the moon and almost single handedly made UFOs a non-respectable topic for scientific discussion. Fuck this faggot
>>25611788Yep.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g79_5OMns8
>>25611838This is the depth on display here by JewsNothing ever changes
Nigga doxxed the Earth
>>25611825because it got repeated ad nauseum by every dickhead in school and university growing up as well as everyone on reddit.
>>25611788>was Carl Sagan the biggest pseud of all time?yes
>>25611788I can't really understand what point you're trying to make in this thread - I don't know much about Carl Sagan but hasn't everything in that highlighted passage already happened? What he's describing is just objectively true now
>>25611934The US is significantly more secular now than in 1995 when that book was published.>but muh Dumb and Dumber and Beavis and ButtheadSeriously?
>>25611825We have observed that technological progress has led corporations to seek ways of exerting greater control over the population through social engineering, algorithmic manipulation, the creation of addictive dependencies, and the dissemination of propaganda, to the point where oligarchs openly fantasize about the deaths of millions of people through their technology. In a kind of science-fiction delirium, they experience a kind of gratification imagining their AI "machine-god" grinding up the masses into biodiesel and pulp
>>25611825reddit nu-atheism, big tech going from admired to hated by masses, covid
>>25611788dumb and dumber is one of the greatest American comedy films of all time though. Possibly the best of the 90s, and funnier than everything made in at least the last 10 years.
>>25611788He was a Jew whose mission it was to attack Christianity in America.
>>25611945Did he say it wasn’t more secular?
>>25611838Considering the guy who made it made Idiocracy, the point was probably partially to criticize exactly what Sagan means
>>25611838>>25611945>>25611971>>25612048Making a show that criticizes dumb people doesn't make the show a smart or thoughtful show. I don't know a single person that enjoys Beavis & Butthead or Dumb & Dumber that isn't extremely retarded.
>>25612063now you know me and I am extremely intelligent, mayhaps even moreso than thee anon per se.if you're not smart enough to lighten up and enjoy a stupid comedy movie then you should probably find a doctor to take the stick out of your ass.
>>25611788but he is right titok, instagram are brain rot inducing
Carl Sagan fell in love with the universe in a way that can only be described as religious; he was endlessly captivated by its beauty and grandeur. This is what made him such a powerful educator and popularizer of astronomy: those who read and watched him witnessed this incredible passion that was undeniably authentic. He inspired a generation of amateur and professional astronomers and cosmologists, including myself.Carl Sagan is among other passionate science popularizers such as David Attenborough, Richard Feynman, Stephen Jay Gould, Jane Goodall and Brian Cox.Imagine if "New Atheism" followed the sentiments of Sagan instead of people like Dawkins. It wouldn't have been centered around atheism, a negation, but something positive: a love of nature and a respect for science's ability to deepen appreciation for natural beauty. Dawkins does write about this in "Unweaving the Rainbow" and he does have passion for nature but it isn't on Sagan's level and the book is still strongly polemical.The movement wouldn't have been "atheists" but nature-lovers, and as such it wouldn't exclude the religious but invite participation. There have been many theists who have found a profound awe and wonder for nature. Christians have a profound role model in this regard with John Muir.
>>25612131They just aren't intelligent pieces of media regardless of how much you want to insist on your proclaimed intelligence. Making fun of dumb people is the lowest hanging fruit there is. These pieces of media have never created a moment of self reflection for the dummies they're making fun of either, when you're making fun of "dumb people," nobody ever self inserts as the dumb person in question. You could make a witty satire on something more specific than the vague and loose concept of "dumb people" but they won't because it wouldn't be as profitable.
>>25612148>brain rotNot a scientific term, more like a folk vibe
>>25612063>>25612198>wahhhh you can't depict crassness and vulgarity because that's le glorifying it
>>25612148as if 4chan wasn't the og brainrot
>>25611858>he wanted the first thing we send aliens to be nudes and a mixtape Lol
>>25611825It didn't, scientism is literally the coolest shit ever, what is true is what the modern research on the given topic says is most likely true with our limited knowledge. Zero retarded mysticism, zero sociological pseudbabble, zero idiotic racists.
>>25612302And trans rights? Human rights.
>>25612183>Imagine if "New Atheism" followed the sentiments of Sagan instead of people like Dawkins. You lack the self-awareness to realize that Spinozism has won out in the current zeitgeist and what we see today is the definite result of science popularizers like Carl Sagan.
>>25611825It was just kind of empty and, oddly enough, unscientific and unempirical.
>>25612282>Savoring and appreciating life is anti-life.My experiences with amateur astronomy eventually infected the terrestrial, and I spent thousands of hours in the temperate rainforests of Washington State savoring them with religious enthusiasm. I put together a bikepacking rig to go deeper, just as I had built a Dobsonian telescope to explore the night sky deeper. All of it instilled the deepest gratitude for life.
>>25612358>>Savoring and appreciating life is anti-life.Stop your LARPing. No one calls themselves a "naturalist", unless they were being dogmatic/an engineer who needs to be pragmatic for the sake of his day to day job.
>>25612269Lmao not surprising that you are proving me right by highlighting your own illiteracy. I never said that Dumb & Dumber glorifies stupidity. I said it's low hanging fruit and the dummies never identify with those being mocked and never self reflect.
>>25612430Embarrassing pseudo-intellectual fag. Beavis & Butthead has more to say about human nature than any of Carl Sagan's pale blue dot autism could ever hope to convey.
>>25611945>>but muh Dumb and Dumber and Beavis and Butthead>Seriously?
>>25612510You cannot read.
>>25612537>still filtered by a fucking TV show
>>25611788lol
I wonder about the life of the guy that spazzes and copes when someone says Beavis & Butthead isn't an intellectual show.
>>25612544You're the exact person Don Quixote Part 1 is making fun of.
>>25611788I suspect OP is a christoid that thinks space is fake and that we live in a snow globe.
>>25612544I mean it obviously isn't, but neither it is some dreadful depth of ignorant brainrot. B&B being popular at the time when Sagan write this is nor in any way indicative of any kind of cognitive or moral decline, as things that were popular prior are largely way dumber.
>>25612561>that thinks space is fake Proof it isn't?>b-b-b-but they said space is real-Yeah I thought so.
>>25612571Source: my telescope. This machine kills Flat Earthers.
>>25612579Proof you're seeing into an infinitely empty void with stars?
>>25612582Buy a telescope. After all anything I say you can just respond "but you're just telling me that." so see for yourself.
The Beavis and Butthead was a symbol of anti-intellectualism, even though it was an overt satire of stupidity and the "dumbing down" of American society. The show caricatured teenagers glued to MTV while ironically being broadcast on that very same channel, as irony was big in the 90s. Its vulgarity paved the way for an entire trend of adult cartoons in the United States that relied on provocation such as South Park and Family Guy which were instrumental in relaxing the standards for what is considered shocking in American media to normalize outright pornography, profanity, and violence in a format appealing to youth due to the animated aspect. It is quite ridiculous we are forced to dwell on this nonsensical program
>>25612589>Buy a telescope. Not necessary. Anyone who can look into the night sky in a non-light polluted zone can see the stars just fine. What I'm asking you plainly is whether your assumptions can be verified with your observations after the fact.
>>25612183Sagans problems given all this is that he still held this atheistic, borderline nihilistic view to everything despite his awe and respect for the clear higher order of the universe. While he understood and taught that we are the universe, we're still so small and pitiful and have nothing to tether us down in terms of true meaning and drive, we're just on a blue mote of dust barely hanging on. This really shows up in his handling of the religious controversy over evolution and there not being an afterlife. He was also clearly and openly concerned about the threat of nuclear war as well. I think the remedy for all this taking his positive outlook with our understanding of the cosmos we have today thanks to modern astronomy, and merging that with Platos spiritual cosmology vis a vie Timaeus. There's a Golden Philosophy synthesis there that I havent really seen be done.
>>25612622I say this as someone whose first intellectual inspiration as a kid was Sagan after my dad showed me Cosmos.
>>25612613Do you actually care about what's going on in the night sky? Then buy a telescope. It's fine if you don't care and have other priorities. But don't pretend to care when you actually don't. Don't claim to know about something you have zero experience with. That's the definition of being a pseud.You can do things like amateur spectrography to read the "chemical fingerprint" of stellar light. I did this when I took summer community college classes in astronomy as a teenager. You can confirm that the fingerprint of sun matches that of G-type main sequence stars.Here's a list of projects you can do with a diffraction grating filter and a modest astrophotography setup:https://rspec-astro.com/sample-projects/You won't do any of this because you don't actually care. You just care about feeling superior to those who do care.
America is pretty openly just the Fourth Reich at this point, except the brown retard version.
>>25612627>G-typeYou are Jewish
>>25612627>You don't get it because you don't subscribe to my axiomatic thinkingSo be it.
>>25612638>You just care about feeling superior to those who do care.>You are JewishProving me right with three words. Now that's efficiency!
>>25612640I'm literally telling you to observe for yourself. If you care about the issue, why would you reject this?
>>25612649>I'm literally telling you to observe for yourself. I can observe, but does that mean I *know* I'm literally observing enormous stellar objects that dwarf the world I live in? How do I know its not just an elaborate ocular trick that gives the false perception of bigness? This is why science is no different to religious based claims.
>>25612609>The Beavis and Butthead was a symbol of anti-intellectualismThat's why pro-enlightenment thinkers like Carl Sagan are afraid of it, because its the reactionary view of the modern urban youth that secular humanism, materialism, and atheism fails to open avenues for meaningful living that challenges Sagan's entire worldview.
>>25612658As I said you don't care about the subject. I have no interest in educating you on something you're trying to aggressively misunderstand and have no interest in engaging with. Buy a telescope or shut up.Do not bother to reply, I will not be reading or respond to your message.
>>25612668So you don't deny that science relies on axiom-based claims about the world, then.
>>25612430that was a different anon. Have you even see the movie btw? Doesn't matter I guess.>These pieces of media have never created a moment of self reflection for the dummies they're making fun of eitherbecause they aren't real fucking people dude. Like I said earlier bro if you can't lighten up, turn your super serious enlightened brain down a notch or two and just enjoy a stupid, classic comedy movie you're a fucking buzzkill, seriously. Other dude wasn't wrong in calling you a pseud it seems.
Midwit Sagan was no intellectual match for Mike Judge. Sagan just didn't see it... because he was a midwit.
>>25612183I'm so sick and tired of "nature worshippers", man.
>>25611788Palpable irony that Mike Judge went on to make Idiocracy.
>>25612701
>>25612710>it is beautiful to get torn to pieces by a wolf o algo
>>25612717Not once has that ever happened to me while out on a hike. Meanwhile cities are filled with unrelenting niggers.
>>25612717Go hug a tree.
>>25612717>>25612701
>>25612710>>25612741Don't post pictures of yourself
>>25612743Go try hugging a nigger in an urban wasteland, and compare that to hugging a tree in a pristine forest.
>>25611825because more midwits know about "racial" intelligence
>>25612302>>25612750Saar
>>25612746He said thanks
>>25611825it hasntlol you
>>25611934>hasn't everything in that highlighted passage already happened? What he's describing is just objectively true nowIt's funny thoughbeit
>>25611788No, but SI has replaced him—whether he was a pseud or not does not matter.
>>25612782Was that for the hug or the blowjob you gave him after you licked his shoe?
>>25611788He sounds like an intellectual featherweight when trying to point out the problem with americans.
>>25611844Meds
>>25612559Watching Beavis and Butthead still doesn't make you an intellectual. You're a manchild that hasn't developed since the 80s.
>>25611788indubitably. he should have read kant.
>>25612687If you're going to act illiterate then don't get surprised when you get treated like you're illiterate. No need to clutch pearls when you're retarded.
>>25613040>>25613046Reading Carl Sagan doesn't make you an intellectual either, Reddit-kun.
>>25612724>Not once has that ever happened to me while out on a hike. Hiking as a past-time wouldn't exist without civilization heads making their forests less biodiverse for some 9-5 office cuck to feel safe and secure strolling down a dirt road (which was also made by humans). Hiking is the opposite of nature.
>>25613040Does complaining about Star Wars Episode 4 having too much white people make you an intellectual?
>>25611825Because you're brainrotted by the internet into sorting every statement with any spirit or force behind it into "my side" or "not my side" and for various reasons, all of which are incomprehensible to you as you do not introspect in the slightest, this triggers your "they are not on my side" sense, so in an attempt to pretend to yourself your enemies are weak and you are strong you are claiming the meme-structures which you associate with them have "aged badly"
>>25613633I have to deal with bears and coyotes on hikes so I dont know what you're talking about. Not everyone lives in a ruined shithole with dangerous niggers like you.
>>25613728>so I dont know what you're talking about. That's obviously the case, yeah.
>>25613726Talmudic word salad.
>>25613733Did you hug a random nigger yet?
>>25613752Notice you call it "hiking", and not "wilderness travel"? Do you think your ancestors thousands of years ago had that same luxury?
>>25613755You seem to be coping with the fact there are abundant empty parking lots filled with niggers where you are.
>>25613763t. has never known the stresses of having to fend for himself in the wilderness even once in his life
>>25611838>>25612048On 4chan of all places, I expect there to be an understanding that ironic shitposting is still shitposting. If you act like a retard, you are just a retard.
>>25613778Kys tranny.
>>25613736Getting filtered by this simple sentence is pretty pathetic, anon
>>25613797There's nothing simple about your therapy speak that hides behind jargon like "meme-structures" to appear cogent.
>>25613778Sneed
>>25613811I think you're just using the words "therapy speak" because it's a meme, there's nothing "therapy speak" about that
>>25613832>there's nothing "therapy speak" about thatsee>this triggers your "they are not on my side" sense
>>25613837Uh yeah, what is therapy speak about that? The word trigger?
>>25613905Wait, so you DIDN'T mean to imply he was emotionally TRIGGERED? Sneaky devil, you.
How is science a "way of thinking"? What does that even mean?These pop-science retards are idiots who will do anything avoid philosophy.
>>25611788Is this someone giving me a suggestion?Or just something interesting to read?
>>25611825there is a reason modern internet atheists perpetuated the >SCIENCE IS LIKE...TOKING WEED AND LOOKING AT THE STARS, DUDEmeme instead of equating science with backbreaking work and endless number crunching.For all their posturing about facing facts and reality, they preferred to remain joyfully ignorant. Sagan was the first, despite his noble intentions,
>>25612931trvke
>>25611788Nah he lost that honor to Bertrand Russel.
>>25611976Oh fuck I didnt realize this.You are right though. He was probably a mossad agent trying to destroy the brotherhood of Christianity and Islam to ensure the expansion of Greater Israel
>>25615601>brotherhood of Christianity and IslamHuh?
>>25615603New atheism was a mossad operation to try to drive a wedge between christians and Muslims so the west would support Israel's military invasions and genocides.New atheism viciously critiqued Christianity and especially Islam the most.It helped pave the way for the current anti Islam sentiment.People dont realize both Christians and Muslims both uphold Jesus and Virgin Mary while Jews think Mary was a whole and Jesus is "boiling in shit" in hell.
>>25615612>New atheism was a mossad operation to try to drive a wedge between christians and MuslimsI miss pre-Oct 7when everything bad that Muslims did wasn't a fucking "mossad" operation. Do they just use jewish space laser goybeams to make muslims drive trucks into christmas markets? >New atheism viciously critiqued Christianity and ESPECIALLY Islam the most.lol, lmao.
>>25615482HEHEHEHEYeah fuck that guy. I like the fact that Lenin likes killing people. That fact that some retards see him as this great guy is hilarious.He killed people just for fun and then made up stuff after the fact to justify it, then laughs about it.THAT'S A GOOD JOKE...but yess.. I did go too far. I'm actually sorry, but I'm also just one small piece of this.I have never worked with ai, I don't really interact with people, I keep to myself, I try not to post online. I try to avoid talking to people.I don't want to hurt people unless they are bad.I want to only kill bad people. If I kill someone good them my soul will feel it.
>>25615612I would think that Muslims trying to rape and murder Christians for 10 centuries was what drove a wedge between them
>>25615918Oh the Jews and their lies.
>>25611825I wouldn’t say it aged badly considering the multiple public health threats caused from an administration eschewing a science based approach to policy. I can understand skepticism towards the benefits of science in regards to Information/AI age problems, but there has also been negative effects from entirely dismissing science.
>>25611788>>25611825Because scientists started getting way too comfortable in their own skins and started encroaching on other disciplines they had absolutely no clue about.Sagan, the moron, was basically the poster boy for the postwar liberal/progressive faith in expertise. He thought that if you gave people education, critical thinking, accurate information and democracy, citizens would become rational. We know much better now that knowledge simply doesn't exist outside incentives, interests, prestige, bureaucracy, media, politics, institutions, etc. People don't just have wrong beliefs because nobody explained astronomy to them properly, or because they believe in horoscopes or whatever.Science got anthropomorphized into something close to a moral philosophy. These idiots started to think that it could explain far more than simply answer certain kinds of empirical questions, like what ends a society should pursue, what political or economic system it should have, how power ought to be distributed, what constitutes a good life, morality, ethics, etc.It's written right there, he said it himself: "science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking". Right... within science, but the nonsense starts when you pretend that this somehow gives science authority over every other area of human thought.
>>25615967What were the arab invasions, nigga? Another jewish hoax?
In the English speaking world it's Yuval Noah Harari. I hate that guy so much.>uhhhh we can live in technological slavery and the most dystopian dystopia imaginable, BUUUUUUT we can have drugs, masturbation, and video games, so it's basically a good deal, ain't it?>everything in the world is like AI and basically every structure or system in the world is AI>some other shit I don't rememberWow, truly the brightest star on the world of contemporary philosophy. It is a NYT bestseller, so obviously you wouldn't expect any less, would you?In the German speaking world it's the guy in pic related: Richard David Precht. His books aren't that bad, but I hate how he is invited into every talk show to say his perspective as a "philosopher". He of course enjoys this publicity and is now the go-to """philosopher""" whenever some mainstream medium wants to have a "philosopher's" perspective.
>>25612633Trump is just fine seeing how dumb his enemies are.
>>25611788>>25611825This quote has aged like fine wine. All of his worries have been confirmed.
>>25611788How did he know about tiktok in the 1990s?
>>25611788Carl had no idea how good he had it: Even then, Mike Judge had a degree in physics. What learning or insight has America's currently trending lolcow?
>>25611825Technology on the consumer level has stagnated pretty hard in the last 15 or so years, science as a thing became much more obviously instrumentalized and politicized by the ruling class since then, trust in academia and mainstream institutions has also been in a freefall for well over a decade now, cyberpunk became real but with none of the cool or interesting parts, etc.
>>25616089>I wouldn’t say it aged badly considering the multiple public health threats caused from an administration eschewing a science based approach to policy. Take your 237th booster, tranny.
>>25616089You're an NPC.
>>25612302>literally the coolest shitHey Reddit, glad to see you
>>25612302Eat shit faggot
>>25616089Covid was always exaggerated. It was more a case of collective hysteria than a genuine health issue. The long-term effects of locking down society and the act of forcing children to complete an entire school year virtually via Zoom proved more harmful than any surge in mortality associated with this mild virus.
>>25611825Turns out that science, when sufficiently advanced, enslaves us rather than set us free.
>>25611825It's naive and bourgeois.
>>25611825Because technology not only didn’t improve the world as was promised but the average person also perceives that it causes climate change, the internet and smartphones made everything boring and now AI slop will destroy creativity.>>25611838Honestly I wouldn't expect Carl Sagan to watch Beavis and Butthead just to see if it was quite the kind of retardation he was talking about.
>>25611825It’s a puerile Anglo-Saxonism. The English, the Germans, the Dutch, and the Swiss, especially the Swiss, good God, the Swiss!, are so calculating oh yes, they lack our passions.
>>25619066Big brain poster. Covid really exposed how many troglodytes there are who lack any sort of knowledge of medicine and microbiology.
>>25611788Aphrodite spelled backwards
