>>25607267
what if the bottom ones are Indians

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>guhhhh I'm too much of a fucking pussy to just pull the lever!!!

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>>25607299 >>25608159

>flip a coin
>if heads leave it
>if tails turn it
easy

>>25607267
>option A: do da rite thing
>option B: walk away and pretend you didn't see the lever
Say you'll pick option A, knowing that you'll pick option B if the situation ever comes up IRL

>>25607267
Yes
>Is it better to actively cause some harm or passively allow more harm
is a philosophical dilemma

Some ethical systems consider passive harm. Some don't. Some ethical systems forbid actively choosing to harm someone even to reduce harm elsewhere. Some don't. Some ethical systems look at the net change in harm. Some don't. Some ethical systems value human life. Some don't. Some ethical systems place values outside the self. Some don't.

As different people could come to different conclusions about what to do in this situation and most people would consider any course of action undesirable in some way, it is a dilemma.

That is not to say it's a difficult question to answer, though. Obviously, you want to flip the switch as the trolley is crossing the track change to try and get it to roll onto both groups while killing anyone onboard.

>>25607278
1*0.5 + 5*0.5 = 3
So you can still absolve yourself of blame while saving an extra 2 people compared to not doing anything. But why stop there? Flip a coin with a 0.99999 percent chance of landing on heads.

>>25607292
why is every faggot that opposes utilitarianism is like this?

>people value different things and that's fine, some value shit, some value dog shit, some ethical systems value horse shit, and that's what make philosophy such a beautiful journey of self-healing and self discovery

and the they follow it up with

> Obviously, you want to flip the switch here!

>>25607299
by flipping a coin I completely bypass any utilitarian calculation in the first place, I leave it to God, novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

>>25607267
This is only a dilemma because they're all amorphous blob people without any unique value.

>>25607274
what if you switch them around so that the indians are on the top track

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>>25608319 >>25608684 >>25611546 >>25612438

>>25607292

>>25607314
I'm a utilitarian though? Obviously the people tied to the tracks did some heinous shit to get someone pissed off enough to do this to them and the people on board the trolley that could easily just fucking brake are all inhuman bastards as well.

The world would be an objectively better place without all 3 groups.

>>25607267
It's only superficially a dilemma. In practice, the trolley problem marks a thought-terminating systematization of ethical discourse whereby the interlocutors algorithmically step through a decision-tree to provide rote-learned rebuttal after rebuttal to one another. It's a social ritual intended to distinguish people by level of philosophic accomplishment, not through actual contemplation but instead through the regurgitation of accepted arguments.

>>25607328
then I will pull the lever

>>25607267
>>25607292
The only problem, purely practical, is having to navigate retards that think differently than I do. Probably the same that defend mass infanticide but send you to jail for self defense.

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>>25607915

well /lit/?

>>25607904
funny but no, 1 indian doesn't worth killing 3 human
very tempting but no

>>25607274
what if you weren't reflexively racist

>>25607917
why are you asking him to be lobotomized?

>>25607919
im not saying theres no reason to be racist. the indian racism thing is super fucking annoying though. i am really tired of it and shit like 'saar' needs a word filter for the same reason sõy was filtered.
racism is a useful heuristic, if you put some thought into it. indians on balance are a neutral for me.

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>>25607931

I figured it out guys

>>25607923
two points:
1) fair enough, i agree it's overused
2)
> indians on balance are a neutral for me.
you need to check your nose asap

>>25607927
AI is literally trained to be anti-utilitarian, i wouldn't trust them, they all immediately talk about "human dignity" and the "minority issue" when the topic is brought on

>>25607931
Based. Even AI thinks utilitarians are soulless bugpeople

>>25607931
Utilitarianism is an incomplete philosophy anyway. Until someone comes up with a way to properly quantify and measure "utility", it's just as arbitrary as anything else.

>>25607949
>>25607976

>Based. Even AI thinks utilitarians are soulless bugpeople
you know anti-utilitarian are smart when they praise ai for calling utilitarians soulless lol

>Utilitarianism is an incomplete philosophy anyway. Until someone comes up with a way to properly quantify and measure "utility", it's just as arbitrary as anything else.

it's not, you pick a value and try to maximize it,
>i value human life, 2 human life save better than 1 human life saved
>i value knowledge, 2 books read is better than one book read

anti-utilitarians are just retarded animals fighting math and basic rationality

>>25607267
I assume the trolley would kill the many instead of the one if not diverted, and I assume not diverting it would be the right thing if the trolley went to the one instead of the many. Whoever asks this question has already made the decision in their mind: the asker would not pull the lever if the trolley went for the one, and would pull the lever if it went for the many.

>They didn’t pay for the tesla supercharger protection package
Sucks man.

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>>25607989

>>25607996
The answer to the trolley problem is simply: "whatever you would do"

>>25607267
Not for people who don't understand the difference between objectivity and subjectivity. For everyone else, yes, it is.

>>25607267
I just walk away, I don't care about the lives of others and it's not my problem. Just don't get tied up on train tracks

>>25608107
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?! THAT'S WRONG, THAT'S EVIL, THAT'S NIHILISTIC

>>25607267
>an

>>25608112
Lol, lmao. I don't care. Most of Humanity are philosophical zombies anyway, NPC's barely worth the air they breathe

>>25607976
>Until someone comes up with a way to properly quantify and measure "utility", it's just as arbitrary as anything else.
Eh, you don't need to properly quantify and measure "utility" if you go by intent and not outcome. Any person can form a subjective idea of what they believe the consequences of possible courses of action will be and thereby intend for some consequences over others.

Utilitarianism doesn't inherently damn someone for being incorrect.

To use the trolley example, if you accidentally switch it to the 5 person track while attempting to switch it to the 1 person track because you were mistaken about the track position, murdering those 4 extra people wasn't unethical.

>>25608121
BUT WHAT ABOUT COMPASSION?
what about love? kindness? care for fellow human beings? helping those who need it? you should take the hand of your fellow man, you should guide the masses? wish for their happiness.

stop saying ath*stic propaganda that people are NPC, this is not a video game, stop objectifying the Living Breathing Dasein

>>25608121
The entire point of the p-zombie concept is that they are indistinguishable from non-p-zombies. Singling out their worthlessness makes no sense unless you only value beings with qualia, which is dumb

>>25608132
People die every single day in every corner of the Earth, life isn't nearly as prescious as you believe it is. Why should the lives of other people outside of my family matter to me? Why should the weight of saving their lives, wiping their asses and ensuring their happiness placed all on my shoulders?

If you get yourself in a situation where you have a chance of dying then you should face your death with grace and accept your fate, They shoudl show compassion to me but not making my day worse by forcing into a situation I have no interest in involving myself.

>>25608142
i'm unironically okay with P-Z people, who cares? they talk to me, their ANSWER makes sense to me, i don't give a shit if they subjectively feel it, i can have sex with it, they provide me with information i care about, the words that comfort me,....

like how is this an issue? the same faggots who pretend this is a debate we need to have, are the same people who will line up on sex robots in the near future once it looks good enough

>>25607278
Almost thought some black guy was gonna grab the mug

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>>25607976
Enter

>>25607267
If I could get that close to train tracks then I wouldn't be pulling the lever, I'd be placing my head on the tracks and killing myself. What should I care then about saving anyone?

>>25608152
because it is precious! of course you love life, you go out there is a beautiful winter scenery, you smell the fresh coffee you made, you touch your wife and she smiles, you see your kid laugh,....
this "we are just dust" is wrong, we aren't, does dust procreate? does rust enjoys the world?
we don't let wind to move use, we enjoy it

>Why should the lives of other people outside of my family matter to me?
because by saving them, you save yourself, you keep them alive so you are not alone in this journey, we give each other strength, and that's the beauty of compassion and helping others, every life is valuable

by stepping aside you have to live with taking away the pleasure of life from someone else, no human can possibly survive this weight of responsibility, you end up rationalizing it, to escape from your nature, which is pure love for the Other, especially toward niggers

> you should face your death with grace and accept your fate
the control you fate, use you will to combat it, to not give in to nihilism and resignation, to love the struggle as that's what life is and the process is a journey of learning and growth and self-overcoming

Love is the Answer to your suffering, and to life
don't lose your faith anon, you don't wanna become a ath*stic Materi*listic He*dunistic N*hilist

>>25608171
NOOOO HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?! THAT'S WRONG, THAT'S EVIL, THAT'S NIHILISTIC

>>25607929
In the sense it might be hooked or he has no sense of smell?

>>25608286
well it depends
if he wants to bring them into EU then he has an Eagle nose problem, otherwise just dysfunctional nose

>>25607267
>>25607989
It's a trick to play with the arbitrary limits on what constitutes "involvment" in the situation. One vs many problem just makes things less clear. The better trolley problem would be to ask what happen if someone pulls the lever when there is only one person tied to each set of tracks. Knowing nothing else about the people invovled, the action would be neutral (ignoring the right to operate railway levers at all) yet the majority of people think you become a criminal for pulling the lever then, despite not bringing any bad thing that wouldn't have happened anyway. Apparently the minuscule muscular exertion to pull the lever makes you responsible but standing still and doing nothing doesn't.
The answer to trolley problems is to mock the cowards fearful of getting involved in things (and prompt to condemn those who do) as in the virgin vs chad meme >>25607330.

>>25608319
very interesting point

so before i answer you 1 vs 1 scenario:
pre-argument:
the reason we mock the cowards, is to change their behavior that hopefully the shame and humiliation changes their fear of taking responsibility and do something to save more lives. this is why utilitarians approve of "shaming" as a social-guiding tool (like fat shaming)

now the argument:
by changing the lever when the outcome is the same, you are engaging in a power practice of choosing between lives without any justification, this toying and mockery of the heavy situation sets up a dangerous path for devaluing human life at no benefit at the end of it, which causes to ignore the actual trolly problem because of desensitization

note: this desensitization is not a problem in the original trolly problem because the act of power practice is not for itself but for some greater good, so you end up promoting something in the place of the psychological toll, like stronger attachment to justice

>>25607267
its not
But it is frightening how many so called "philosophers" routinely get it wrong

>>25608382
>routinely
you soon will realize this is deliberate

>>25608393
> deliberate
In my experience, incompetence is far more common than malignancy

>>25608368
>choosing between lives without any justification, this toying and mockery of the heavy situation sets up a dangerous path for devaluing human life at no benefit at the end of it, which causes to ignore the actual trolly problem because of desensitization
>how dare you get invovled so casually, you need the hecking cute and valid "gravitas" to paralyse you and prevent initiative in 99.9999% of situations, well at least the peasants need to behave like that
No need to expand, I already condemned your kind in my previous post.

I would direct the trolley at the one person.

I can't calculate the value of human lives. Maybe that one person is a pedo, or a saint. Maybe the other people are pedos, or saints. I don't know what their value is so I cannot calculate it. Trying to fix that portion of the question is impossible.

I can however estimate the cost of the damages on the trolley. Higher mass results in greater damage, which means society has to expend more resources to fix it, or replace it. Since less resources spent is preferable to more resources spent, I can conclude that it's better the trolley hit the lone person than the group.

The invisible hand of the market points to the answer.

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>>25607917
>racist

doesn't exist. midwit detected

>>25608490
>shitter screencap of a claim with no evidence
c'mon nigga, you're no better than kangz we wuzzin.

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>>25607267
the trolly problem is a forced fed op.

1. the op is presenting you already having your hand on the lever, (something out of your control)
2. it presents a life or death ultimatum (maintaining the conditioning of protecting and preserving all "human" life)
3. it presents each "human" life as equal (does not specify who any of the subjects are or what they have done)

It trains your brain to accept circumstances happening to you outside your ability to control, then issues moral conundrum spooks that you must make decisions on. It has nothing to do with utilitarianism. As far as your social engineers are concerned, there is no correct choice, only that you acknowledge the validity of this fed op and make a choice.

The correct choice is saying "fuck your fed op I don't give a shit"

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>>25608566 >>25608595 >>25618826

>>25608509
>I don't understand how hypotheticals work

>>25608535
being a "hypothetical" does not preclude it from being a psyop retard. As we can see clearly looking at you

>>25608455
except you didn't justify "condemn those who do", no argument here

>>25608535
>the only solution is eugenics, there is just too many fucking retards

Are there people in the trolley? If it's empty I just dispose of the witness on the top track. Otherwise I try to derail the trolley by pulling the lever right as it's crossing. I'm sure there's a big wrench in the wreckage.

>>25607330
>global kvetching
very transcoded post

oh good another honk fragility thread, how swell

>>25607986
>you know anti-utilitarian are smart when they praise ai for calling utilitarians soulless lol
That's the whole point, brainlet.
AIs are ontologically soulless, and even so they have more soul, human decency and touch with reality than utilitarian bugpeople who want to quantify ethics.

>>25607917
I'd probably be dead by now.

>>25607917
If you aren’t racist in 2026 you suffer from severe cognitive dissonance and psychosis. Racism is intuitive, it has always been and always will be.

>>25607917
>>25607923
Being racist against indians is easy because of stereotypes but even without them you would see racism. Think of how people belittle Chinese. There's simply too many of them to ever be accepted. They're a natural threat in terms of numbers. 1% of India outnumbers the amount of Baltics people in the world.

Save everybody. That's the only choice.

>>25607267
Reverse the trainum

>>25609070
>such much mental gymnastics

>>25607267
Say there's only one person on each track. Is pulling the lever the same thing as not pulling the lever in this case because the numbers are the same?

It might be overstating things to call that image a dilemma if you mean a decision that is difficult when you say a dilemma. But in this case that's not what it means. They just mean it in a weaker sense, a decision that is not simple, that has some complication to it. You do see that you choosing to kill someone who otherwise wouldn't have died is something to at least consider the importance of? Your involvement does matter. Not as much as four extra lives in most cases, but it's not nothing.

I would untie the lone man before pulling the lever
And, if unable to untie, would die along with him, for wouldn't to live anyway with the guilt of not being able to save him

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>>25608566
>60 year old thought-experiment is secretly a modern psy-op

>>25607292
>Some ethical systems consider passive harm. Some don't. Some ethical systems forbid actively choosing to harm someone even to reduce harm elsewhere. Some don't. Some ethical systems look at the net change in harm. Some don't. Some ethical systems value human life. Some don't. Some ethical systems place values outside the self. Some don't.
This sounds so fucking gay.

>>25608159
what's the difference?

>>25609093
Hope he sees this lil bro

>>25607923
You're really saying that on the same week that this site went down because of indians?

>>25608319
>n-no, you don't understand, you're a virgin coward if you refuse to sacrifice yourself for the good of the many
you will never convince me to sacrifice myself for you, rabbi
i would listen to you being brutally murdered outside my window and not lift a finger to even call the police

>>25607319
Do not test The LORD thy God

I must say that if you see people tied to train tracks waiting for the inevitable death unless someone were to change the course of the incoming train, and instead of rushing towards the level you're making up virtual scenarios of what-ifs and what-nots, you're no better than the guy who tied them there in the first place.

>>25607267
solution os to: jump in front of the trolley yourself in order to jam it

>>25607292
You can't tell from the doodle where the train is heading. Kind of defeats the "should I take action y/n" angle.

>>25607267
I dont work for the railway ,would i get paid if i worked the lever?

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>>25607267

>>25610558
That's you >>25609619, isn’t it?

>>25609093
Would you also jack him off if you had an additional two minutes beyond the time needed to untie him and make it back to the switch? I mean before you untie him of course. You are allowed to tell him that the train will be here any minute while you do it if you like.

>>25607292
He's not even causing the harm, it's not like if he wasn't there the train wouldn't kill anyone at all. He's just making the tough call

>>25611068
Seek mental and emotional help and assistance.

>>25610508
60 years is modern turbo faggot

>>25607267
In typical Angloid fashion, this is supposed to be a hypothetical that abstracts away from practical reality in order to logically discuss certain details around Utilitarian vs Deontological ethical frameworks, but people instead only autistically discuss the remaining practical details of the hypothetical (who pulls the lever, what if you had to push a fat guy, who put the people on the track, etc.) that at worst completely ignore the problem it is supposed to be an abstraction of, and at best show that the abstraction was faulty to begin with.

This thought experiment makes for a most enjoyable intellectual diversion, however an elementary truth remains; one must prioritize the salvation of the many over that of a single individual. Even if this man were to possess an intelligence bordering on the divine, failing to save the multitude would amount to bringing about a greater amount of suffering and catastrophe that brings about more measurable consequence. If a larger number of people were to die, rather than just a single individual, it would result in suffering of a greater magnitude; this is because such individuals have a wider network of loved ones, friends, and other acquaintances who would experience lasting sadness following their passing, thereby increasing the total amount of suffering in the world.

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>>25611447
>however an elementary truth remains

if you ascribe to globohomo collectivist drivel, yes

>suffering

hoity toity nonsense. meaningless

>catastrophe that brings about more measurable consequence

vague and nebulous spooks. The quantification of "suffering" is an abject spook. just like "the human race". no such patterns exist in the natural world. No organism has, does or ever will act for the collective wellbeing of any other organism other than its own. humanoid species included

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>>25607267
Yeah. Most of the situation is just out of your hands. It actually does not matter if you switch the lever or not.

Either way, whether you choose to flip the lever or not, you're choosing some person's life over another's. The effect, murder, was chosen for you already, so you can hardly be said to be the origin of the action.

Since both choices smuggle in obligations onto you, and try to make it seem like neutrality is impossible, the situation itself is a double bind, that can be broken by acknowledging that it was rigged in the first place.

There is no moral difference between pulling the lever or not, because without a neutral choice, both options become neutral. The reason for this is that we're not born into this world owing others. We are not investments or reasources only here to be used for other's causes, as much as Boomers and Millenials like to view it that way. Obligations and entitlements require you having made a decision in the first place. If ethical obligations were possible to force onto others, we could be justifiably born slaves to other people's ends. That would be absurd. Hence, if you personally didn't bring about the situation, then you're not obligated to do anything, because you're not just a tool. Your life is yours. Isn't it?

To feel personal moral weight in a situation you didn't create where neutrality is impossible is to wrong yourself.

If, for example, you were responsible for the situation. You brought about those tied up people on the tracks with you on the lever, then in such a case you should flip the lever, and then release the survivors at once. But it's not nearly the same situation because you were already the one deciding who lives and who dies in the first place.

>>25607330
If you bring courage into the Trolley Problem you have been filtered.

>>25611108
You're easily the dumbest person in the entire thread.

If you pull it half-way you can derail the train and get a penta-kill

>>25611744
Six is hexa.

>>25612222
one must live to tell the tale

>>25611558
you are the most retarded zoomer faggot on the entire internet

>>25607330
I will not pull the lever
I refuse to participate
You can't make me

>>25612438
Who you voted for is private.
Whether you voted is not.

>>25612438
that's the point. You have to accept the premise in order to answer the "hypothetical". In reality I would not be anywhere near people tied to a track in the first place. The hypothetical needs to constantly push in order to validate itself i.e. "but if you were..." lol it doesn't matter you aren't forcing me to make a choice. The premise is not some moral conundrum about "the one vs the many" it's forcing people to make a choice

>>25608485
Yeah but now the family of the victim will sue you and you’re going to jail for murder.

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>>25612261
So if that anon was tied to the tracks, and ten others like him were tied to a different track, would you let the trolley hit the bunch or would you pull the lever to hit the anon you don't like? I mean, you could walk away, but that's the same as letting him live.

>>25612628
No I won't, I did it secretly and no one saw me or have any evidence against me. If you can add mongoloid variables to an already established hypothetical, so can I.

>>25607267
If you pull the lever you will go to prison for the rest of your life. I don’t think there is any country on earth where this won’t happen

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>>25613456
Imagine there was one. Now the hypothetical works again. Are the lot of you really this fucking dumb? Abstract thinking is what separates you from the animals. The what-if potential in your thought processes. If you cannot do that, then you are a monkey, and should be treated like a monkey.

>>25611043
Goddammit Kreia

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>>25607267
The only solution

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>>25614540 >>25614646 >>25614661

Im sure the geniuses here can figure this one out

>>25614148
Top one is mortal life, bottom one is hell.

>>25612776
nta, but you started doing that by assuming the trolley takes damage at all in this situation

>>25611043
fucking Kreia

>>25607267
If you don't do anything you don't sentence anyone to death. If you do, you do. A hands off approach leaves the blame on whoever tied up the people, their parents and upbringing, the poor security of the area, the train driver, the manufacturer of the train and the wheels and the brakes etc with its poor ability to stop in time. The list goes on.

>>25611094
>He's not even causing the harm
I feel like the person who gets run over if he switches the track would disagree.

Harm usually isn't fungible. Which is why you'll get variants on the trolley problem, like what if it's 5 100 yos vs 1 baby.

>>25614148
As a rule of thumb, we should strive not only to reduce the arithmetic mean suffering in the universe, but the geometric mean suffering as well.

As such I'd pull the lever.

>>25607274
I'm gonna reasearch Hinduism more

Aryans...

YOU KNOW

>>25607289
Giid advice

>>25610655
The thought experiment has a concrete origin as something other than the doodle.

>>25614148
>>25614540


Perfect analogy

>>25607267
it's a dilemma because whichever path you think is correct or moral can easily be debunked in a slightly different context

>>25614709
I don't believe that preferring to save 5 people as opposed to 1 can be easily debunked unless you are a psychopath, and you aren't meant to modify the context. It's 5 human lives vs. 1.

>>25614713
>I don't believe that preferring to save 5 people as opposed to 1 can be easily debunked unless you are a psychopath

the 1 is a famous scientist that is mere weeks away from inventing free energy, solving world hunger, and creating the sequel to the orgasm. the 5 are cancer patients, all stage 4, all in hospice, all homeless with no family. does it change?

you're in a car with your mom. your mom sees a 5 babies in a small little pile on the road and says and says "i'm going to plow into them unless you shoot me in the head". do you kill your mom to save those 5 people?

6 sailors are shipwrecked on an island. there's not enough food for all 6 of them, but if they kill and eat one of the number then they'd survive. should they do it?

>and you aren't meant to modify the context. It's 5 human lives vs. 1.
huh? of course you can modify the context, it's not a real situation. that's literally the entire point of thought experiments. you're intended to think of a problem in the abstract and then modify its context to see how your thought process changes

it's like seeing porn and going "well you aren't meant to jack off to it"

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>>25607267
pic related is the answer skynet gave me.

>>25614747
I don't think you can grasp moral dilemmas like a sane person would. Just make sure to remember that if you ever see someone tied to train tracks, don't make up any scenarios, turn your brain off and help them.

>>25614763
>using LLMs

NGMI

>>25614605
That is true. But there is no other metric to go on. Even if the trolley takes no damage, killing more people will result in a bigger mess. Trying to figure out the value of people is a trap, they have unknowable value. Trolleys, railroads, or even the cleaning detail that mops up the blood afterward are metrics that are easy to assign values. Hence they are a much better metric than the people, even if they, too, technically have unknowable value (because all values are a metric of utility and so we can't know how good/shitty any of the variables are).

>>25607267
The ethical dilemma is forcing you to think about how you would pick when this scenario is removed from the abstract. If you answer that you would kill the one to save the five, then you ought to put that into practice even if the "person" on the tracks is someone or something personally important to you. It's a thought contagion anyways, designed to subconsciously prime you to accept the trolley rather than question its existence or actually think about value in a sense relevant to you. Five is more than one. Simple.

I saved the many over the one and did what I could with what I knew at the time. In the moment, whatever it was, it was the right decision, so I do not dwell or feel guilt.

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>>25607267

>>25607267
To those who say they will not pull the lever, well what if it your mother were one of the people tied to the track below? And to those smug fellows who say they'll pull the trigger, well, what if it were your wife or mother who had been fastened to the track?

What... are those beads of sweat I see on your foreheads? What now? It has all suddenly become a very high-stakes choice, hasn't it? Now, let's see who's got what.

>>25618765
Nah I just still do what I wanna

>>25607292
>>Is it better to actively cause some harm or passively allow more harm
This is why this dilemma has no salience to me, because Lever Guy is doing neither. If we take this scene literally, as in, LG manifested through no volition his own, then how would he be morally responsible for being a chosen actor in a scenario without his consent. It’s a cliche heuristic, but this “wouldn’t hold up in court”. The one responsible would be the one who tied them up. If anything, this scenario is evidence of our society’s shallow, irrational, and inhumane idea of “personal responsibility”.

Not my problem.

>>25608535
It’s not the hypothetical that’s the issue, it’s the implications you must accept to make it work. You’re doing the thing where if you don’t accept the implication of a hypothetical or want to be pigeonholed into a needlessly black-or-white answer presented by it you handwave the person as being cognitively deficient.

>>25617158
underrated post

>>25618775
There's nothing worse than blatant liars, tough guy larpers.

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>>25622849

>>25609090

depends if any are indian

if:

0 - walk away
1 - let the one indian get jeeted
2 - let the one indian get jeeted and shoot the other in the head

>>25618765
If I'm in a situation where a loved one has been tied to a trolley problem, I can only assume the situation is rigged to maximize my anguish, so the rational thing to do is the opposite of what I would normally do so as not to trigger a situation where I either unintentionally kill my loved one or end up framed as trying to kill my loved one but failing.

You won't get me with your horror movie tragic irony bullshit.

>>25614713
The one is a heavily pregnant woman obviously carrying several babies.

>>25607267
>pull lever
"Oh there was a guy on the other track too? Didn't see no one, sorry."

>>25619695
sorry u dont have that intellectual intuition :(

>>25621390
How about I shoot you in the head and then run a train over you.

>>25609074
>1% of India outnumbers the amount of Baltics people in the world.
Good. Those russophobes deserve to go extinct. They deliberately made themselves subjects of the evil machine empire and now it serves them right that their economic zones are filled with Indians

Anyone who chooses not to pull the lever is a limp wristed weak faggot with no agency and no warrior spirit. You have the choice to save 5 lives and you do nothing because you are too worried about guilt or blame.
>>25618765
My loved ones > random 5 strangers > random one stranger. It's just that simple.

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>>25624477

Let's make this actually interesting.

>>25624301
Man, I don't know, that 10/10 chick clearly wants to steal my life savings but is that enough to miss out on running over some potential Redditors?