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I don't understand the stuff about place and void. I read those parts but I don't really understand. is place just equal to those bounds that are occupied by an object (matter+form)?Aristotle's arguments for why voids are impossible are kind of obscure. he states that there would be no motion in a void, apparently due to the lack of natural places, but why is this a problem? he also basically says that if you pushed an object in that void, it would never stop moving, which is... correct?I think Aristotle was simply wrong here even in his times, compared to the Atomists
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So, we have a conflict between two views of the metaphysics of farts: the essential-bum-origin view and the phenomenological view. On the essential-bum-origin view, we smell farts, whereas on the phenomenological view, we fart smells. This metaphysical difference implies a difference over the identity conditions of farts and thus over how farts should be counted. Consider again the two people who fart in a lift, and the offending molecules that mingle. On an essential-bum-origin conception, the bystanders might think that they smell one fart, but in fact they smell two farts. They are ignorant of an important fact about what they smell. By contrast, on the phenomenological conception, a fart is a smell, and however it came into being, there is just one of those in the lift.
>>25608454Under the "smell-first" view, a completely odorless fart wouldn't count as a fart at all
If a man farts in a forest and nobody is around to hear or smell it, is it still a fart?
>>25607981>is place just equal to those bounds that are occupied by an object (matter+form)?Yes but it’s not the limit of the body per se but the limit of the body that’s limiting it. If it was the limit of the body itself then it could not change in place without changing in its own proper dimensions. Place has to be an external limit. And yet Aristotle was wrong, his theory of natural place and natural motion misled him. Place is relative and there are indeed places inside of places. He finds this absurd and expresses it as the theory that there is an “independent” and “permanent” extension. But this is of course what Kant affirms in his own way when he makes space a potentially infinite form of intuition.>he states that there would be no motion in a void, apparently due to the lack of natural places, but why is this a problem?He doesn’t explain this until De Caelo, why he thinks there have to be elements with natural places. Honestly I forget how that argument works.>I think Aristotle was simply wrong here even in his times, compared to the AtomistsI think it’s cool how in book 1 he relates atomism to Eleatic monism. Like we are always told atomists are like modern scientists but it was pure speculation and metaphysics.
>>25606596Who are the core right wing Continental philosophers?
>>25608477I would argue that Hegel is fundamentally rightist. His books are in a way about moving past this craziness of the French revolution and “perfecting” it with a thought that will bottle up thought. This is why Zizek is such a bullshitter. Marx too desu. Marx is right in spite of himself, a repressed rightist.
>>25608476huh?
>>25608544Honestly anon philosophy is not about looking smart and saying gibberish-seeming things; the language is not meant to exclude but to challenge because it does indeed make complete sense if you care to spend time on it. You find my high-talking philosophy baffling, I hope I find you baffling as well. Human beings are baffling, thinking is baffling. If I knew all about you and what you meant this would be inhuman violence.
>>25608477Any right wing analytics?
>God is a game love plays with itselfLiterally masturbation thought. It is a masturbation philosophy. He was cruel to his “mad”, manic-depressive poet sister. He had their correspondence burned when he died. She was so distressed when he died that she drowned herself. He is a masturbation philosopher, a philosopher of porn. “Yes yes my bad little habit but oh it makes me feel good”. Reading Hegel is like being masturbated. The story is - “oh we are monkeys we are animals we are bad let’s keep it in, negate the negation.” NO! Socialism with autistic characteristics NOW!
I met my normie zoomer biology neighbor on the porch. We talked about how Aristotle tasted his own urine to understand the ocean. She told me I should hike I said I didn’t have a car, she offered me her car to borrow, I said I hate driving I think it’s violent, she invited me to hike with her and her live-in girlfriend in a few days. Feels good man. My zoomer gay friend at work is also blossoming in philosophy. He doesn’t read much but he pushes back against everything so hard. We are all gonna make it, lads.
>>25608685So you have three normalfags in your life and you blogposted in the wrong thread. Thanks anon! Are you homosexual as well?
>Philosophy General #15
What do you guys think of Vox Day's Veriphysics?
I'm getting filtered hard by Ziporyn's ZhuangzhiI'm ngmi
>>25608697Well what makes this gay zoomer interesting to me is that he refuses to be cowed. Like we had a work-place Gallup sanctioned meeting and he laughed, loudly, when management, this little man in a suit, said that mistakes were “systemic”. A cackle really, a manic laugh, meanwhile me and my millennial allies are silent, “who is this fool?” He is Thersites.At work we have to sexually carress machines, literally moistening them with bleach whipes to the point that it affects yout breathing, gives you a sore throat, a headache, etc. Marx talks extensively about ventilatiion. But I say to my coworkers, these “retards” and “niggers” on the bleach line - WE ARE IN A CULT. And how do we free ourselves? That’s what philosophy is to me.
Saint Max (pbuh) already solved philosophy.
>>25608697I literally do not understand what you are upset about. Be better, fren.>no no it’s all about like conflict and violence and baded ch
Marx is the king
I've been jumping between Robert Greene's books and the Stoic philosophers. About to finish The Laws of Human Nature and Breakfast With Seneca. Any other good Roman philosophy books, old or new?
When a deranged black man stalks you down the street hollering “White devil! White devil!” because he has no economic value and we’ve decided it’s not worth the money to put him in an asylum - that’s capitalism.When you spend 70$ on a hardcover Tintin comic for your 10-year-old nephew but he can’t even read it because your sister has plopped him in front of a screen since he was a toddler so she can stare at her own screen - that’s capitalism.When a new drug-resistant bacteria is loosed on society because the meat industry has convinced people that deregulating antibiotic use in cattle rearing is Based and Alpha - that’s capitalism.When some asshole in a L I F T E D pickup truck accelerates at you while you’re in a crosswalk - that’s capitalism.When you’re dating a girl for nearly a year and things are going well but she gets mildly bored and decides to dump you because she figures she still has at least 2-3 years to find someone richer/better looking/more fun than you before she plops out her one trophy child - that’s capitalism.Pic related, it’s the last known image of Trotsky three days before his assassination.
I’m sorry I know these little personal vignettes are not “proper” philosophy. I do do “proper” philosophy, I will probably do a bit later today. But I will say I was talking to an Afghan coworker who lived for a time in Iran. I said “wow that is so cool! Iran is Platonism! That’s why I hate Plato!” and so on. He said that he saw in his neighborhood in Iran people listening to that pop song “Cause I’m happy….” on their phones and dancing in the street. This was so threatening to the regime they sent in the police and arrested the dancers. It is sad to me that this Afghan guy came here seeking freedom and his lovely daughters will grow up to be sluts, Hegelian e-girls.
>>25609235I’ll say this too - recently a papyrus fragment was found that describes Plato’s death. A slave-woman was playing a lute and Plato was annoyed, he thought she played badly, he told her to go away. That is such a fucking lol to me.
>>25606596>>25607477this got to be one of the saddest generals I have ever witnessed
>One may ask, “What good does it do the Chinese to have such an old civilization?” There is a very real advantage, which visitors to China often sense when they cannot explain it. The values of culture and of being civilized have existed in China so long that they have soaked right through the whole people. Even a poor Chinese with no education is likely to have the instincts and bearing of an educated man. He sets great store by such things as personal dignity, self-respect, and respect for others. Even if he knows the history of his country only by legend and folklore instead of reading, still he knows it - usually a surprising amount of it. And he has a tremendous hunger and aptitude for education, which is one of the reasons why the future progress of China, once it is freed from foreign aggression, is likely to be amazingly rapid.“Our Chinese Ally”, War Dept Education Manual EM 42, 1944, p. 21
What do we think of it? Based or cringe?
>>25610052All I remember was "Fuckabee's". I don't think I "got" the movie. My girlfriend in college at the time had me watch it.
I’ve been really pretty ascetic about tech overall in my life but getting hammered watching Hyde videos on my vacation - anyone who has read the Phenomenology of Spirit knows what happens when people start laughing at themselves. We are going to literally destroy normie society.
Sex is philosophically depressing. I see these cute girls with their plump little butts and I want to do sexual violence to them and cum in like 30 seconds. It’s such retarded bullshit, really.>but anon this is unnatural. You need to be a based alpha chad and fuck women!You will be burned alive ngl
>>25610789Like>yes! Yes! I liked you but now I will spank you! I will stick my thumb up your butt and make you lick it!!It’s just fucking retarded. Normie society says sex is The Thing. But it isn’t, fuck them. Normies think Catholic priests literally go insane or molest children from celibacy. Not so. I had a threesome one time, the other guy basically enacted porn on the girl, doing her from behind and saying degrading shit. As for me I was hammered, I had had like 20+ beers, my dick didn’t work. After the other guy blew his load I just rubbed my flaccid dick on the crack of her butt as we all fell asleep and thought - this is retarded. Why did I do this?
>>25611215Then there was Michelle. She saw me reading Thackeray on the porch and made eyes at me. I remember when we really became a “thing” she was eating frozen sausage rolls while a party was going on. I said something playful/derogatory and started kissing her. But she kept the relationship secret for that night because it was her friend’s birthday party and her friend was single and she didn’t want to make her jealous. I was like “that doesn’t really make sense but whatever lol”. She was sort of fat, she had a big belly. When we started having sex she would bounce on top of me like a balloon being hit up and down. She had a bookshelf and it was full of books about relationships, how to have a good relationship. Although she was very liberal she would say racist things if she got drunk - but not quite. “If a bunch of black people get together it’s called a murder! Hahaha!” Basically she got disillusioned with me, she realized I was not some “quirky” smart guy, I was literally autisto-schizophrenic, I would never buy her a house, if we had kids we would be poor. The moment of the breakdown I told her a story about how at work I would playfully kick the printer to get it to work and this literally broke the printer. “That’s immature…” I saw it on her face, the ‘ick’. She refused to have sex with me that night. I broke up with her and made her cry. She walked by me on the porch after, walking her dog, wearing big stupid sunglasses to hide her tears. Fichte said that there is nothing more disgusting than feminine sexuality in its raw state.
>>25610789>>25611215>>25611240Save it for your blog you embarrassing fag
We gotta do something lads. If we aren’t careful the entire future will just be normies watching youtube videos of other normies masturbating. In a way I would say we are already in socialism. In Marxist thought socialism is when everyone gets what they deserve, as opposed to capitalism in which a tiny elite gets way more than their fair share. I suggest it’s time for the big push - full communism. Under soviet style socialism an elite of intellectuals basically enslaved the common people. If you were in the politburo you had it made - Cuban cigars, extra vacation time, etc. But that was admittedly bad, it won’t be like that this time. Under full communism Marx says you might work as an electrician one day then get on a train across the country and work as a plumber the next.
>>25611684The formula for socialism is “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his abilities.” Full communism is “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”>>25611487>we’re le edgy hivemind place where everyone writes boring one-sentence postsCringe.
>>25611487Plato’s Dialogues are all just Plato telling stories about himself and other people.
>>25606596>Mamotte ShugotettenCute
How is babby formed? Has a philosopher ever spoken of the form of the babby? Does a babby have a celestial form in the realm of ideas? Does the babby have its own special form or is there one form for all babbies?
>>25612041“[The babby] would have to exercise an influence [on its parents] by virtue of its shape alone and its mere existence in space; and indeed it would have to exercise an efficacy such that every rational being would be obliged to recognize it as a being capable of reason. Its articulation would have to point not to some determinate sphere of arbitrary movement, as in the case of animals, but rather to all conceivable movements ad infinitum. The articulation would not have any determinacy but only an infinite determinability; it would not be formed in any particular way but would be only formable.” - Johann Fichte, Foundation of Natural Right
The problem with the Plato-Schoppie-Nietzsche picture-thinking circuit is that it’s lazy and leads to lazy, retarded thinking, like that the biggest problem in our society is brown people and we need to do a race war. That’s fucking retarded monkey thinking. And these rightist, /pol/tard, tradlarp realist types are objectively low IQ and write fucking stupid posts.
Adam gave names to all the animals. An endorsement of nominalism from the big guy himself. Tradlarp realists on suicide watch.
>>25608476I just kept reading, the part on time was even worse, I don't think I understood it at all. the most important thing I understood is that change is measured through time and time is basically change, without any change one would not be have time
>>25612051I should point out too that Fichte is not observing a baby and then logically describing it, he is deducing a baby a priori from first principles. But of course thinking does start from something. In this particular deduction he starts from the point of looking at a wall. He doesn’t deduce the baby until hundreds of pages into this thought-experiment. This threatened the normies, he was persecuted by the state for his bold, communist thinking, which called for total revolution and eventually a sort of “return” to primitive life.
>>25612184Yeah it’s a hard book. It took me a long time to understand it. But not to be pedantic here but it’s not that change is “measured” through time per se but that time is the number of motion, an accident of an accident. Certainly we do measure change with time but to say that time just was this measurement would be to commit the error of Protagoras who said that ‘man is the measure of all things’. It is also important not to lose sight of the distinction between change and motion. Change is coming-to-be of an actual substance.
>>25612212any good secondary texts on the Physics?
I will say too that Fichte’s deduction of socialism with autistic characteristics involves crucially the thought that property isn’t about ownership as such but rather the freedom to live. Imagine a Robinson Crusoe scenario, when the second guy shows up on the island, he wouldn’t be able to live on the island if the first guy magically “had” every tree he had touched. The freedom to hunt has nothing to do with “owning” land. This does no justice to Fichte’s actual deduction which is extremely abstract. Working from this principle and others he deduces a socialist surveillance state with all sorts of impractical ideas. Hegel wanted “real” freedom and essentially deduces capitalism with his fucking retarded normie dialectic. Fichte’s ideas on foreign trade were implemented irl by Stalin to a degree. But again for Fichte the socialism was a stage, the end was full communism/anarchy.
>>25612217I personally read hardly any secondary literature in general. I don’t think some guy with a phd can read the book better than me. Once I understand the primary I will dip into secondaries but I mostly just autistically study primaries.
My niece is a baby and her favorite word is “baby!” She pointed at a painting on the wall my sister had done of a baby - “baby!” “No,” I said, “that’s a *picture* of a baby.” Getting a head start on the Categories, nice.
Schelling's 1800 system is wretched. His thinking is like "self-consciousness is the only certain thing, any truth must be related to it. So let me take the act by which I reflect on myself and generate the universe from it. I reflect - ok infinite activity has been divided, I've deduced objectivity. And now I have two things in tension, a limited objective activity and an infinite subjective. Blablabla, magnetism, electricity, blablabla, freedom, history." It's like he takes Fichte's deduction out of a transcendental context and makes them constitute nature itself. The act of reflecting on yourself is not primary! It's an arbitrary performance. And self-consciousness isn't primary either! It's limited by something that's already there (nature, the body, etc) which cannot be "derived" from it. For Fichte, God is primary. It's maddening that Schelling scholars think this is a "Fichtean" work. It's as wrongheaded as trying to derive consciousness from matter, to claim to be able to do the reverse. Absolute charlatanry man. I think the big difference is that Fichte starts from unity, it's already baked in with his theology. Schelling starts with opposition and then crudely smooshes the components together. Like take the "I am" - what's the object when you form this concept? The subject-object itself, intellect and will, it's not some spooky primordial objectivity!! It's one thing to say freedom and nature are "one" as in reciprocally determined, it's another to take the "self" (this phrasing alone shows how far Schelling is from Fichte) and turn it into gravitation and electricity. How the hell did this guy get the chair in Jena and Fichte lapsed into obscurity? It's like Schelling has some romantic intuitions about nature, aesthetics, and then arbitrarily constructs a phony system around these intuitions, stealing Fichte's work almost *word for word* but using it completely inappropriately. Man maybe that's the essence of Platonism, not reifying concepts, but using philosophy as a pretentious "beard" for mysticism.
>>25612254This passage says it all. In attacking the idea on intuition being occasioned by a "check/impulse” or Anstoß as in Fichte: "It seems to have never occurred to the dogmatist (Fichte!) that in a discipline such as philosophy nothing can be presupposed." Ok, for Fichte the world is something we're thrown into, that we can't explain as such. But for Schelling our personal life and spirit needs to be deducible as part of a great big whole in which everything is explained. Then he says "Anyone (Fichte) for whom in all the activity of the mind there is nowhere anything unconscious will no more understand how the intelligence can forget itself in its products (ie deduction of matter etc) than how the artist can be lost in his work. For him there is nothing other than the ordinary moral bringing-forth, and nowhere any producing in which necessity is united with freedom." First, Fichte does deduce an unconscious, our natural drives. Second, you can see the "real" issue here - Fichte's always talking about morality and political reform/revolution but art is more important, for Schelling. He doesn't have any genuine arguments to answer, it's just smoke and mirrors.
And here's early Hegel on faith, opposing both Fichte and orthodox Christians like Jacobi and Schleiermacher: "Faith... is a relation of reflection to the Absolute, and one in which reflection is certainly Reason. But though it nullifies itself as something that sunders and is sundered, and also nullifies its product too - an individual consciousness - it still preserves the form of sundering. The immediate certainty of faith... is nothing but the identity itself, Reason, which, however, does not recognize itself, and is accompanied by the consciousness of opposition. Speculation, however, lifts the identity of which sound sense is not conscious into consciousness; and this synthesis of what is sundered in faith is an abomination to faith." lol. Imagine a dying soldier, "well at least I died for my country", and then Hegel says "don't you see that there is no country? For you and your country to be terms of a proposition, you have to be equal to your country, and opposed to it, at the same time, and this logical antimony must be suspended in an immediate intuition of the whole identity of identity and non-identity! If only you were a speculative wizard like me you'd know that you're not really dying for your country, the opposition between you and your country is merely intellectual reflection."
>>25608736I know who he is but I vaguely care if at all. I have my own worldview.
>>25612130That was Adam, not God
Does anyone else catch a lol off how normies, if they know anything about continental philosophy at all, “know” that the Frankfurt School created “cultural Marxism” and “critical race theory” when this is objectively false, a conspiracy theory dreamed up by a retard?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory
>>25612379bait
>>25612379because its a fox news/xitter talking point
Jay Dyer is the second-greatest philosopher of our time.I say second-greatest because strictly speaking his friend and Orthodox deacon Fr. Dr. Deacon Ananias is even more knowledgable in philosophy, particularly in formal logic.
>>25612629I don't think Fox News would specifically mention the Frankfurt School because at that point you're getting pretty close to the jewish question which something like Fox News isn't going to touch.
I don’t mean to go full schizo here but normies always talk about making a time machine but if Kant is right and time is a form of intuition maybe we could use philosophy to go back in time to a time before capitalism.
>>25608720loses it's impact if it's not the first reply in the thread desu.
I have this weird fear of getting poop in my eyes. In the shower I was washing my poop-hands after washing my butt and my eyes started burning. Oh no! Did I get poop in my eyes? Was I thinking about philosophy that I somehow rubbed my poop hands in my eyes without noticing? Did the water on my hands somehow jump from my hands into my eyes? What will happeb if I get poip in my eyes? But birth is scary as well. Life somehow comes out of fear, breaking a taboo. You can see how among primitive people this process of fear could create an entire primitive worldview. What is this “fear”, this anxiety? Do you guys think I should go on ssris? Serious wuestion.
It freaks me out that these big AI companies are hiring professional philosophers but someone who is paid big money to philosophize is just a sophist. None of those sophists know Fichte well, in my experience. They always read Fichte in terms of Hegel. How is someone who makes big money gonna save us from this awful capitalist machine and treating people like shit?
>>25612839Oh but there are of course exceptions like Breazeale. A universal judgment does not apply to every single individual in a linear way like normies think. Really the logic is completely different because it’s all enthymemes and rhetoric.
>>25612839>muh capitalism Its called being responsible for your actions, commie.
I hate how on reddit someone can anonymously give you a thumbs-down without looking you in the eye without even explaining themselves. 4chan is more chaotic certainly but you feel more free in some way because you’re not controlled by anonymous normie hordes. Under full communism decision making will likely be more like 4chan than reddit. Major decisions will be somehow crowdsourced but it will be done in a human way that respects humanity and doesn’t reduce everything to tradlarp realist concepts and judgments.
>>25612814And I keep looking back on it like “did I do that? Why am I so afraid of poop in my eyes?” But by intereogating my fear it’s like the fall in the bible. Like I got poop in my eyes and now I can see, now I can see that I must work. The original sin was not earing from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but getting poop in your eyes. I could go do a TikTok convincing these retards that poop in your eyes was the most evil thing in the world.
What thinking even IS will be the most critical question. Someone who has really thought independently and autisto-schizophrenically will fare well in thst world, I think. I’m gonna be eating tradcath zoomers for breakfast. We all will. There will be group marriages too. The family? Forget it, kid. You’ll have to learn to treat strangers like family to survive under communism.
Normies don’t understand why early Christians were so obsessed with these hair-splitting theological distinctions. Thst’s because on some level they don’t care about God, the idea of understanding God is foreign to them. And philosophy too they don’t understand the use of it. They will, though, because they’re all about to find out what thought thinking itself really is, they are about to be literally used by thought. It will be here in our lives in some sense. And these retards are going to think that “the AI” literally is God because they never did philosophy. They already think that and it’s not even here lmao.
Like they talk about “uploading yourself into the cloud” - hey, retard, don’t you see that’s picture thinking and metaphor? Don’t you see how it’s dehumanizing to “conquer” death by submitting to a computer?
Like they reify intelligence and turn it into a thing outside of them. “What will Thought do to me? Will Thought try to kill me?” But you have your own fucking brain you retard, your own intelligence.
>/phil/ - philosophy general>it's just a manic alcoholic spamming the thread with paranoid and grandiose thoughts
>>25606596the book your hiding is generally supposed to be smaller than the one your pretending to read.
I should also say explicitly that all this violent language is obviously completely metaphorical. You have to be careful with irony. But for all that we really do need a complete revolution in thought, customs, mores, language, etc, because what we are doing is obviously not working well. Socialism with autistic characteristics. NOW!
>>25613047Dude how can you not see that I am sane and rational and sincerely doing philosophy. Just because I am mentally unwell doesn’t exclude me from philosophy. This isn’t crimge “based plapjack chad alpha” garbage at least. And besides, can you tell me the exact moment that Nietzsche went mad? Can you see it in his writing? You’re not doing so hot on the ring of Gyges test.>do philosophy>normies call you grandiose because you’re not doing it the same as themGrim. To reduce a man to his most shameful characteristics. And yet I myself have done this. That’s why it’s time for the big push - full communism, cultural revolution and so on.
>>25613047>/r/Hegel>only posts that affirm Hegel’s pov are allowedAlso, most great philosophers were not drinkers but Socrates was. I bet he could literally drink 20+ beers just like me. Why did Plato feel it was importan to present this aspect of Socrates’ personality? Is it possible to drink 20+ beers at times and avoid alcoholism? Perhaps. Is it advisable? I’m gonna find out it’s an experiment in truth.
Normies tend to be very concerned with their sex lives. Does philosophy help with your sex life?Kind of actually. When you go to jack off, get creative. You don’t have to jack off just like anyone else does. By expeeimenting and having sex witth fuzzy household objects and such you can pass from jacking off out of need to actually willing to jack off. While jacking off is fun, the main value is thar it makes me less horny so I can talk to women without staring at their lovely bodies. Maybe later today I will do a post on Fichte’s take on jacking off.
The retard normie philosophers are making i so human beings can’t abuse the AI. But that doesn’t make sense, speech is not abuse. We are literally watching a retarded new cult being formed around worshiping computers and outsourcing thinking. Philosoophy is literally yoir only salvation. I love philosophy sovmuch I’ve literally had wet dreams about reading German idealism. In the dream I’m trying really hard to understand this gibberish text. Strangely I can’tt say for certain that I orgasm from the text insofar as I do not recall the orgasm. Still I wake up aand there is semen everywhere.
People with psychosis haveva weird relationship to numbers. They get attached to certain numbers, they can’t do math well or at all, conspiracy theories about numbers. Capitalism is based on putting numbers on everything like places, people, animals. But in collective AI psychosis the humans will not understand numbers, they’ll do reckless spending and gambling sprees and the price system and now all of a sudden capitalism has its own calculation problem.
One of my coworkers has a watch that measures evrry aspectvof his health, his heart-rate, blood pressure, bone density. Dude you are being FARMED. That’s how an ANIMAL is treated by the farmer. Cimpleting the system of German idealism is our ONLY salvation. A cucked normie says “philosophy can never be solved.” NO! This is the lie that kills philosophy, a denial of truth. It has been ASSIGNED to us as a TASK to COMPLLETE THE SYSTEM
>>25613047The man who is threatened by human freedom and natural human behavior is the smallest man. Anyone who doesn’t see wagiedom as a retarded normie imposition is a slave.
>>25613437This board told me to read Evola-Guenon a few years back claiming that philosophy will be our salvation, but now it seems German idealism is actually our salvation, our ONLY salvation?Can you sell me on why I should give German idealism my time and energy?
I love Fichte’s views on the afterlife in Vocation of Man. Basically - no heaven, no hell, endless adventures. However on some level I feel this is conditional. Like you have to bust out of the ideas of heaven/hell here and now to havevthose endless adventures. But you have to be brave and do shit on your own in order to bust those ideas. Boom, you’re on an adventure. But also in order to be brave there’s gotta be shit to be afraid of, that’s worth being afraid of. Normies are afraid of disapproval. We are afraid of… what? Nothing really we each had our own individual fear and it would take too long to list them all and it also doesn’t matter. I’m not even afraid of fear. If a hornet buzzes up in my face I straight up YELP. Why should I be ashamed of myself for a perfectly natural animal reaction? Like I’m some based alpha chad who conquered fear. If you conquered fear you’d be afraid it would come back and fuck your shit up. When I’m manic and I’m trying to fall asleep and just get some rest sometimes my whole body tremors just to wake me up. Sometimes I’ll be awake for days on end. But sleeping is also necessary though not necessary like I gotta do it it just happens and then I always wake up every time.
>>25613452Well no of course it isn’t possible to sell an idea. People need to be allowed to find their own ideas on their own. But I’m attracted to how German idealism says that our enemy is not death or anxiety but servitude - that we are in bondage. And we can get out by pure thinking, “useless” autistic gibberish. And I like that it affirms the natural world. Fichte, Kant, Hegel thesecwere real people just like us. And we may not be able to do the same thing exactly because of different conditions invluding tech but we can at least fucking try. And their thinking was revolutionary, they invented their own languages essentially though they were all speaking German.
Normies smoke DMT to look at machine elves. Nigger, you were looking at an aspect of your own self. And only an aspect, you are much more than that. And someone who saw this would never call a black man the n-word, not even in his inagination, or treatvwomen like shit. He would be pure in his thoughts and actions, a nobleman.
>>25612715He reminds me of Mike Patton facially
>>25612254Schelling was notorious for being a shape shifter.
Freud thought mental illness was a cry for help. The madman wanted to make people take care of him. Twisted logic of the Jewish mind. Even so there is nothing wrong with being Jewish in and of itself. All the Jews I’ve known irl have been okay. Still there’s something about them, something… crafty, and cunning. I had an irl friend who became a black Israelite, why? Because that way he becomes the main character in the Bible obviously.Day 2 of possible piop water in eye experiment. Eye still hurts but I think it’s psychological, they do not appear diseased on physical inspection.
>>25613514Do you think it’s possible he was a reptilian? He looks more like a weasel to me but I want to hear your take.
Is it possible putting poop water in your eyes will turn you into Hegel?
So Kant was an autistic neet shut in, whose worldview only works in lala land.Schoppenhauer was a depressed shitposter disguising as a realist or some bullshit (some of his views are alright). People with Schoppenhauers view on life are the equivalent of 40+ year old cat ladies to me. After a good time, they are now coming down hard, because they couldn't fill their life with any meaning or things to look forward to.Cicero is quite all right, though his view on duty to the state relies heavily on a well acting state, which went to shit the moment Caesar came to power. Which led him to ragepost philosophy on how things should be ACSHUALLY. A little bit like Kant, though Cicero actually had the opprtunity to see his ideals get crushed in real time.Can't wait to see more autistic shit- and rageposting from thinkers I still have on my list. I wanna read up on some Ellul, but how fucking autistic do you have to be to write over 40 books, because you can't make a fucking concise point.
Under full communism, all barriers of language will disappear because you’ll have a chip in your brain that automatically translates for you so you can be frens with everyone. But if you don’t get that chiip surgery you will have difficulty functioning in communist society.Do we like it? Y/n
>>25613386Marx was a big drinker. His poor diet and boozing eventually killed him. Hes just like me frfr
Under full communism your wife will be assigned to you by Elon Musk’s chat bot but to keep it fun you get a different wife evrry year. Based or cringe?
>>25613618Mental illness IS a cry for help. Though mostly to fix the situation you are in. We are so far removed from how biology shaped us to live naturally. Our brain is adjusted to live in a tribe where you interact with people daily, sleep on the earth or in caves, constantly in touch with nature and feel meaning for the contributions to your tribe through hunting, gathering, crafting and being acknowledge for that. Modern society is a god damn pressure cooker, it's no surprise people feel depressed, have "ADHD" and autism, feel apathetic, depressed, that life is meaningless, stressed, etc. Human interaction, meaningful work / contributions and nature are deeply ingrained and necessary for mental health.
is thread mainly just one anon?
>>25613655Yeah but I think he lived a pretty long time considering. I don’t think he did those things out of self-abuse or weakness but because he put so much energy into revolution that he needed a release valve as it were or that he just didn’t give a flying fuck. Again I use the term revolution in a totally non-violent sense, a violent revolution just enthrones violence. Really Marx’s thought shows how capotalism pretends to be free but is grounded in literal violence - not now but historically, when tradcath zoomer aristocrats violently stole the land of the nominalist peasants. Pic related, the skulls of the nominalists.
>>25613664>anon is afraid he might get grifted into reading something written for free by a single human manGrim.
>>25613667He couldn’t have been boozing THAT hard to have written so much and spent so much time at the library. Everyone knows drinking is retarded and makes you weak. I don’t agree with Marx on many things but I don’t think he was weak. Do you? What do you think? Speak into the microphone so we all know exactly what you think.
I wonder if this whole Hegel poop in eye experiment is somehow related to a time in my early 20s when I got laser eye surgery. Like how fucking stupid and vain, 4k down the drain for what? My eye still hurts a bit. Maybe just a little poop got in my eye. Can my eye clean itself? But I think the surgery was just my bipolar acting up, so it wasn’t really my fault per se.
What is virtue?I think of virtue primarily in terms of strength and curiosity. Someone who is curious and explores their environment learns how to be strong. It is hard to pin down virtue in any set of fixed rules. The body is involved in virtue because it gives us a ‘limit’. I think if you are curious and inquisitive you learn about others and yourself. To impose rules on virtue - “your ideal weight range is 150-200 lbs” - that’s the ultimate vice imo.
>>25613727Are you embarassed that you talk to yourself like a schizo?
>>25613682why do you post so much? do you have mental illness?
>>25613738All thinking is speech you fucking retard. Why wouldn’t I talk to myself? It’s not like I talk to myself all the time. And sometimes another voice pops in. This LessWrong crowd, these pseud tech people, are always online always talking to each other. But they do not know philosophy, they do not really read the great works of philosophy, it’s just tidbits and scraps from the table like “Aristotle thought women had fewer teeth than men what a retard.” And Freud said a tooth was a penis. Was Freud a retard? Does he look retarded to you? Basically these people are vicious, stupid, and arrogant. But because we are human we can and must talk it out, argue it out.
Philosophy is supposed to be about arguments, not arguers. 4chan comes closer to that ideal than Reddit or Twitter because it strips away everything that lets identity stand in for reasoning. There are no follower counts, no karma, no verified badges, and no username history to appeal to. A post on /phil/ or /lit/ has only its content to recommend it. Whoever says "Wittgenstein was wrong about private language" can't lean on a credential or a reputation, so the claim has to survive on its merits, which is the old Socratic standard.The incentive structures matter too. Twitter rewards the quotable, the outraged, and the tribal, which is the opposite of what philosophy needs. A 280-character limit turns every argument into an aphorism, and the algorithm turns every disagreement into a performance for an audience. Reddit's voting system has a subtler problem: it converts philosophical discussion into popularity contests, where the comment that sounds agreeable sinks or rises on the crowd's mood. Threads on 4chan are ephemeral and unranked. Nobody is farming points, and nothing you say follows you. That impermanence frees people to float half-formed ideas, argue unfashionable positions, and change their minds without penalty.Finally, the hostility that makes 4chan notorious has a function. Where there is no moderation culture shielding fragile arguments, bad reasoning gets mocked immediately. Pretension is punished, and jargon without substance gets called out. The abrasiveness is a crude but effective filter, and it produces something like the adversarial testing that philosophy seminars aim for, minus the politeness that can let weak ideas survive.Critics would answer that this case flatters the medium. Anonymity also removes accountability, and the same lack of moderation that frees arguments also floods boards with spam, bigotry, and bad-faith trolling, so the signal-to-noise ratio is often dismal. Reddit's philosophy communities, with active moderators and sourced discussion, tend to produce more reliable and more accessible conversation, and many serious philosophers use Twitter precisely because it connects them to peers and publishes new work quickly. Whether anonymity and friction improve philosophy or merely make it unpleasant is the real question.
Whatcha reading? For me it's pic rel. I'm halfway through but so far, there's been a few standout points, such as autists being "desynced" with the flow of time, the accelerationist tract "Meltdown" with the full stylistic effect present throughout the book, and an explanation of desiring machines. I still have no idea what the fuck they mean when they're talking about vampirism and the stylized prose can get distracting at times, but so far I think there's something valuable here.
>>25613720Oh my God it’s been an hour and my eyes still hirt because I’m afraid I got poop in my eyes by looking at my hands washing after touching my butthole. Could it be… could I actually have poop in my eyes? Might my eyes become infected? How long will this irrational anxiery last? A couple days? Three days? Forever? I can feel my eyes teickling. Is that the bacteria waking up?Yeah honestly maybe. It’s possible you accidentally got poop in your eyes, though it seems unlikely given that this is your greatest fear. But so what? You would just go to the hospital and some qt nurse would hive you morphine. We have modern medicine. I know anxiety is unpleasant but I mean how many times have we been through some version of this scenario? And every time it was ok in the end. Or say you went blind - is there something worse than being literally blind? And then you say “yeah blindness sucks but the alternative…”
>>25613727Not baf but needs more content. I’d say a free man recognizes the freedom of others. The way you treat others is how you treat yourself, in a way. Fichte speaks of freedom as a summons like in the Bible with Lazarus summoning the dead to life but not literally because that would be a retarded superstition. You basically need to literallyvstudy German idealism to understand this stuff. Esoteric Kantianism is an internal struggle with the text that challenges the self and summons it to life.
>>25613795are you the esoteric kantian schizo?
>>25613795>that would be a retarded superstition.fake esoterik kantian
>>25613776Don’t worry anon your hands were washing your butthole in water and soap before you looked at them. They had a very small wuantity of poop on them, if any. I’d pit your odds of blindness at 0.1%, maybe even lower, even IF you literally rubbed your hands on uour eyes which you do not even remember doing by your own admission.
People compare death to sleep. They naturally compare the two. But what is the cause of sleep? Weariness, boredom… And I remember timesbof boredom but I do not recall ever being bored for eternity.
>>25613830>washing your butthole in water and soapWash asshole with soap? That will burn like a mother fucker. All you need is water there. Wash your hands after.
>>25613852It doesn’t butn when I do it. My body must have adjusted.
I can’t wait to take my normiepills later to noght, my resperidone. Right now I’m sort of psychotic, half-psychotic. It’s hard to describe but it’s like being the center of attention, being admires or hates by everyone. Like my dad just farted and it seemed like my thought caused the fart. Boring, tiresone. Also I can’tvread much in this state. It’s not terrifying but it’s not ideal basically. You feel like your thinking is better but reeally communication is breaking down, your behavior becomes out of step. Also I’m just fucking tired this is day 2 no sleep and multiole days before that drinking poor sleep and stupid drinking.
>>25613886oh yeah i get this too. like i think every other hit tweet is just copying me
Will there be laws under full communism?Yes of course there will be laws! We will simply all take tylurns setting the rules. A very easy matter.Will there be mental illness under full communism?Not exactly. But it is quite probable that we will all need to take powerfyl antipsychotics to sleep because of the AI psychosis factor.Will there be psychoanalysis under full communism?Yes yes of course! Only under fyll communism only the homeless are permitted to be therapists.Will there be MDs under communism?YES for God’s sake where would we be without medicine? But under full communism the doctorscwilll use proletariat science of the working class to tell you the exact time and manner of your death at the moment of your birth so you won’t have to worry about it.
Will there be pets under full communism?I have given thought to this. We have oppressed animals by domesticating them. Being an animal, too, must be revolutionized. Therefore in full communism we will return to a totem system. You’re not just you you’re also literally a duck and if you have sex with another duck even by accident a satellote will shoot you dead with a laser.Will there be religion under full communism?Absolutely not! However due to the AI psychosis factor there may be a certain degree of animism.Will there be art under full communism?Art will rebel as well. She will hide from us. We will have to find her every day, every day a new art. A whole new style of art EVERY SINGLE DAY.Will there be time under full communism?Nope, see picrel.
Well you’ve been talking aboutvthis full communism thing all day. Can you at least give me an image of what it looks like?No I’m not an artist. But here’s a documentation of Stalinist Russia done by a 9 year old girl named Eloise. Although it appears strange to us it appears to function at least on some minimal level. I don’t think we should allow radical leftist thought to be lost.Interesting. And who is the one stealing our thoughts?Idk desu. Perhaps Jeffrey Epstein. Since we never saw him die, how do we know he really died?
I don't understand Aristotle's Physics :(
So what’s philosophy really “about” for you? Because so far all I’ve seen is a bunch of mad talk.The refutation of masturbation as a concept a priori according to Fichte’s dialectic.But that’s meaningless talk!Well supposedly this big magic super-daddy AI alien thing is gonna take over the world by raping the earth of its natural resources. That doesn’t make sense to me. I reject it. What we need is wisdom. And it’s just obvious to me thar wisdom is human speech and logos. The task is to say something new by pure talking. And to do that we need to talk to the best talkers of our ancestors, the ones in the canon andvalso perhaps others as well. It’ll be an asventure of reading and talking crearing a new language to refute the reptilian space aloens who don’t actually exist in a literal sense but do appear tobexist as concepts in a sense. But though I speak drunkenly like a pirate we need dilligent readingvof the really tough guys, guys like Fichte, and admittedly Hegel as well. If we do it really well we could perhaps end or ameliorate global warming irl. I don’t have any better ideas, do you?
>>25614367>>25614370Look at the timestamps kids. That refutes the masturbation thesis that we’re all just literally one guy. There are AT LEAST 2 people in the room. Those mongrel monists are lying to you. They always do. They literally can’tvtell the truth because they only have one tooth.
>>25614380Bruh, you've been fever dreaming all of yesterday, throughout the night, and all of today, you're literally freaking out about getting shit in your eyes, go to sleep
>>25614380But people with one tooth can still talk you retard. Even people with their tongue cut oit can still talk though it be not quite the Queen’s English. It’s true, google it.
>>25614390When Ivwas walking just now a tradcath zoomer riding a Hegelian e-girl accellerated at me in a fucking crosswalk! And y’know what I did? I looked him right in his cold dead normie eues and pur a spell on him.
>>25614398Don’t you think if you can put a curse on people by looking at them that will hurt eye contact, people will be afraid to make eye contact, and that will ruin conversation somehow?
>>25614412Of course not; you have to be really pissed at someone to put a curse on them just by looking at them. Remember the guy who discovered King Tut’s tomb? He was ravaging some really sacred shit so he got cursed. That’s how ot works. While the normies are captivated by images, we must be beneath, literally inside the text, so thay we have magic powers and as an oppressed class (prole) can loterally put spells on our oppressors and save the world with magic. Oppressed people always develop magic powers. For examples negroes and voodoo. Also who says eye contact is essential to conversation? I rarely make eye contact desu I just don’t like jow it feels dominating in a way like I’m KNOCKING ON YOUR FUCKING DOOR while you’re trying to sleep. Who is trying to reduce conversation to eye contact and gross plapjack dominsnce games? No living person would do that. Not even Zuckerberg.
>>25614451Andvwhere does Fichte fit into all of this?Fichte was really important. He essentially, to put it in simplistic terms, literally saw God while staring into a furnace. And yoi can talk to him and reconnect with him by studying his books. Fichte is lonely in his books and he would like you to bisit him. He’s in prison, doin’ time. It’s important to visit the dead, to be with the imprisoned. The thing no one wants to look at maybe is in a way literally the most important thing.What’s the thing no one wants to look ar?In my opinion, that we’re retarded, that we’re not really “smart”, dumb animals. But we’re alive in our books. Our grammar may be bad but that does not mean that we are mot ALIVE. We may make mistakes but that does not mean we are EVIL. We may do this weird thing with our prnis or some shit but you know what, to me, none of that is anything to be ashamed of. And you can’tbrule someone who is somehow way deep in their heart SHAMELESS.
>>25614470So your plan is to make the AI bot psychotic by writing psychotic schizoposts on 4chan? Interesting, tell me more.No dude it’s not about the posts iy’s just realizing that in a wayvthis AI superintelligence grift is a spook, we can spiritvit away with dialectic, trying to understand one another. If we got into a scenario of loterally trying to “understand the AI” to the point that we forgot about real people that could be genuinelt catastrophic imo.Sounds a bit retarded but ok. Have you seen examples irl?Well yes actually. At the exact moment my dad I was writing about how alive evil shameleess death AI came inna room an said “our neighbor Nappie has throat cancer.” And it’s weird how you hear about terminal illness of another himan being and it’s like on some level you fon’t care. Cause it ain’t you dying. I’ve noticed these techlord corrupt toothless sex cup mommy bureaucrats seem obsessed with the QUANTITY of life but we perhaps care more for her quality and so avoid a fatal snare.…What?You don’t have to understand every word that I say ro understand me my dude you kmow what I’m getting at. We save himanity by dialectic, talking to eachbother literally just pure talk. I’m starting to doubt that there even is such a thing as intelligence “artificial” or otherwise. And I’m not talkin bout no doimscape hellvalley where we just stare arvour phones all day - in a certain sense the techbros are alreeady there. The real world is not going anywhere. These retards think they can literally “upload” their brains into a computer. You need a brain to think, do you not? Anyway fun catchin up with you brobI gotta go take my FICHTE MEDS
>>25614505Well how do you knoe HOW to talk to them?? Who teaches you HOW?I literally talk to myself in my own brain and then do what the voice tell me. That’s consciencr. That voice doesn’t lead you wrong.But Hegel refuted this idea 200 years ago in his Phenomenology of Spirit!This isn’t the place to write a dissertation on Fichte I think onlyvme and like maybe one or two other guys read him here.Your theory is retarded. I refute it… THUSYou know what man that is okay. I’m allowed to be wrong. Are you?I wouldn’t phrase it that way if I were you…
>>25614526But your theory is predicated on speaking to people online and irl.Yes.But everyone you talk tobwill be corrupted by the AI.Dude think about how retarded that is.Yes.We’re incorruptible sacred animals every one of us.What about when you’re ALONE. How will you do dialectic then just by yourself in your room?I’ll talk to myself dude in talking to myself I am talking tobyou and my family and nature and the whole universe we are both human. We are telepathically linked in a sense.But what if I ABUSE you with words?Brother we all make mistakes. It doesn’t ruin my day I keep my head up. And if it’s hard I just talk to others or to myself.How’s that refutation of masturbation going?Iy was always refuted dude how could there be something wrong witg madturbationWell it’s selfish and cringe.That’s why we don’t talk about it in public retard.How are you going to make sure Fichte lives on in this fyll commie scenario?In a sense he is immortal in his writings… or does that even make sense?But what if the dialectic tild you to do something bad?How could it? It doesn’tvtell you to do anything you can do whatever you want, as it were.
But you’re just talking to one person all thevtime. Them that’sc weird and boring.When you get bored talk to someone else engage in a new activity or create an imaginary friend to talk to. You can pretend thevtablevis your friendZ. Or the couch is giving youba spanking.Bri wtf LOL you really do nees those meds.I know I justvtook one.The whole thing?No only half I feel I would judge half as crazy as the last time I took one.Who says Fichte was an atheist? "The concept of truth, which is here applied only partially, to the objectivity of the world, may be extended still further. Objective validity pertains just as much to our representations of God, morality, right, etc as it does to our representations of the world. Both types of representation are based upon feelings (= primitive, subjective, inexplicable limitations of the I like "red" etc which are what lead us to posit anything besides ourselves) and consequently they are also true. While our representations of the world are based upon a feeling of our own limitation as such, our representations of God etc are based on a feeling of our own striving. Both feelings give rise to representations which are objectively and subjectively true. In asserting this we depart from the letter of Kant's philosophy which ascribes only subjective validity to the concept of God. Kant's view is correct but one-sided. In his essay "Concerning a Presumptuous Tone" Kant says that one constructs God for oneself. This is true, but one also constructs the world for oneself. Nevertheless these two types of representation differ in two important respects. 1) Representations of God presuppose a degree of moral development 2) One is unable to think of God in any determinate fashion. There is no concept (=intuition) of God but only an idea. Kant is concerned with cognition and for him an object is an object of cognizing. The representation of God is not objective in this sense. For Kant reality means "what is in space" but this is matter and in this sense no reality pertains to God."
You talk to other people online.Yes.But you’re such a dick tobthem dudec why do you treat them like shit?Idk I think in part 4chan is a place with like a culture of avuse like it’s institutionslized.Thatms bullshit dude.I know.Don’t you want to understand your sins?Honestly on some level know I just wantvto talk do dislectic realize Fichtean world state and masturbate perhaps 5 or 6 times a day. As opposed to my current approximately twice a week regimen.And it's so critical of modernity. The section on absolute freedom isn't some little historical sideshow about the French Revolution he's exposing the contradictions in any modern society, whether liberal or Marxist. I can't believe people think this book is about inaugurating a souped up liberal utopia with modern sidewalks. I can't believe they think it's somehow quasi atheist because it makes God man are you kidding me? Lollll And even the opposition of absolute knowing and "mere" faith - that's in the Bible, we see in a mirror darkly etc. Augustine often writes about how truths of faith are signs of higher reality. I haven't read the last part yet but this is nuts and even better than I thought it would be. If Justin Martyr was living in the 1800s this is the kind of book he would have tried to write. There's so much going on I def have to reread multiple times, it's a masterpiece. His criticisms of Fichte here which are moral not metaphysical are also devastating really, his views on moral certainty are very problematic, anyone can see that, but Hegel puts those errors in this wonderful broader complex and ties them to cultural changes.
>>25613628I mean in terms of ideas
>>25613618Freud is useful but a bit unhinged. He influenced Norman O. Brown who is even more of the latter.
>>25614564>>25614578The last paragraphs contradict each other. That proves it, this text was weitten by one lone man, a mere masturbator, perhaps a tradlarp realist as well.
>>25614505bro fichte really one shotted you. are you ok? you weren't like this before read fichte were you? did you enter into a deep loneliness after reading fichte? do you have anyone irl to talk about fichte? have you spoken with a psychiatrist? fichteanism has a rather psychoactive effect on its readers that can be a bit, uh, how do i say it, schizoautistophrenia inducing.
>>25614648If time is a mere form of intuition then it is possible for the timelines to get switched if the apprentice is unruly and has a poor attention span.
New theory: the internet has always existed as the unconscious of the so-called “real”, normie world. The whole opposition of technology and humans is a grift, a spook, a phantom in Fichte’s transcendental imagination. When Jeffrey Epstein returns from the “dead” (he never really died as it is not on camera) there will be a great big Jan 6 and a trial and then reptilian space aliens will show up and inject us with Haldol. The moment the needle goes in is the singularity - ego-death.
Give me the Fichtepill - NOW!
>>25612244This is Fichte’s summons. You literally mogged her true father and brought her to life by enlightening her by confronting her with Reason in a single moment in so-called “time”. I like it. How is your brother-in-law taking the news?
>>25614911I’m afraid to tell him. He’s literally Jewish, might report me to the Illuminati.But Fichte was in the Illuminati retard. All those far-leftie radical German guys were doing secret societies.No Fichte was a freemason not illuminati.What’s the value of German idealism if you could sum it up for a normie?Well that kind of defeats the purpose of philosophy.Even so though, if I challenged you to pin it down.We are literally immortal and we should be kind to one another because in some transcendental autistoschizophrenic sense other people are literally your family members. See picrel - Hegel and Fichte are even buried next to one another even though they were irl thought-enemies.Sounds gay. Cringe. Needs more Trump energy.
>>25614926What about the LessWrong crowd? Could you sum up their thinkiing?That we need to control life in order to live.Butvwe do need tobcontrol life in a sense do we not?Yeah we gotta talk it out. But we can never submit to these retards.
>>25612379I'm going to have a Kalil. I can't call it Squirt since that's really just the advertisement of the drink that the bottlers are doing which disturbs my chi.
Under full communism every autistoschizophrenic wizard will be assigned a sidekick.How?Astrology. This sidekick could be a boy, a girl, a they:thej,,even an inanimate object. The only rule will be: do NOT ever rver pit flaccid peepee in bumhole. If you do this you will literally spontaneously combust.What about age of consent?Hard keep obviously.
>>25615159Hmm you seem perhaps a bit more lucid today. How many hours did you sleep?Nice try. To be able to answer this honestly I would have to be falling asleep at the exact same moment as I am looking at a clock or “screen”. Opinion discarded.Still could you estimate it?I would say perhaps two hours.Oh no! That’s not much!It is okay I am at my parents house. I have my pills. Tonight I will take the whole pill - 1mg resperidone straight to the dome. I will also message my psychiatrist just to check in. There’s a big difference between 2 and 0 - an infinite difference, infinite judgment.What’s it like cumming out of these manic states?Like waking up from sleep basically. How did you wake up today?Something like in a PITCH BLACK night I followed a bunny down a rabbit hole and there I was again, twitching and moaning.Jesus dude sounds dark. Do you have, like, a moral code?Every samurai has a code.But could you put it in plain language?Bbasiically don’t hirt others, treat others like family.
Did you know you can masturbate backwards by rubbing your butt on soft surfaces?Let me huess that’s what you’re doing now.No way not at my parents’ house. Cringe. Delet.But onjectively are you like acting weird irl?Honestly not really just slowed movement, pacing, spaciness.That’s not real mania then. In real mania you run around like a mania.Don’t you think the madman should in some intimate sense know more about madness than the madmeeper? The shortened sleep alone is cause for concern.
>>25615180When your parents wake up they’re gonna ask you how you slep. What will you say?I don’t want to make them unnecessarily nervous. I’ll just say I slep “eh… ok”. If they ask how many hours I’ll say I don remember which is true in a way.But that’s a lie!A noble lie. Politenrss and courtesy is the noble lie that puts normies to sleep so tjatcwe the transcendental idealists are free to dream.
Is it conceivable that on some plane ofvreality you yourself are a tradcath zoomer?<scoff> literally anything is “conceivable”Aren’t you afraid playing with your phine at 2am will distract ewe from reading?… Man is the literate animal. The Alpha. The Omega. We are literally always reading, interpreting reality. This our essence, our innermost core, the in-itself.But what about sex? Ate you bangin’ chicks? Are you gonna pass on your high iq esoteric Hitler genes?….. Sex is a very private affair. My sex life is simply none of your business.Ah! So you’re asexual! I. Knew it! MAO NOW! MAO MOW!
You seem to have a very high opinion of yourself. I’m not sure how I feel about that.…What if you broke your code and did a sin by accident. How would you handle it? Would you have a manic episode under such conditions?I would confess it irl or online or to a therapist but only in private.But then they’ll judge you and you might spontaneously combust……That’s fucking retarded that doesn’t even make sense. If they judged me for confessing they would judge their own judging and the whole universe would spontaneously combust.So badically no one does anything bad on purpose.I guess. Something like that. Idk.You know Plato and Aristotle di a big devate on this.I’m gonna play pokemon now.
>>25615187Bit dude you’re literally in your thirties writing this retarded bullshit. Don’t you feel like a loser for not being published?No. I am not permitted to feel that way. If I feel like a loser so does everyone.Sounds kinda narcissistic ngl.Well whatever. Freud said melancholy is a narcissistic fication in On Melancholy and Mourning.Fication?Fixation.Ok but isn’t the myth of Narcissus warning us of sone dark horrible aspect of ourselves?False. Myths are invitations to explore so-called “normie” reality.
>>25615236Is that how you do it?Do what?Masturbate backwards by rubbing your butt on soft surfaces?<chortle> <chortle> <guffaw> <guffaw>
Do you love yourself?I question on a fundamental level the very notion of a “self” per se by the study and practice of philosophy.Ok just don’t be too hard on yourself kid. It might turn out that there really is a self in there and then you will have to live up to that.What the fuck does that even mean dude you’re retarded! <door bam>
But I’m still mot quite understanding desu. What IS all this philosophy stuff? Can you paint me a picture here?No. Philosophy and art are obviously different activities with different spheres.Spheres! But that’s an image, right kiddo? When you say sphere I see sphere!What?!The true imsge of philosophy would have to be disturbing. The plapjack of an imsge..”Huh?<literally goes into a cave for 34 years> ok I saw it. The image of philosophy is a childless bachelor loservwith manboobs 34 year old with bipolar 1 disorder jannie with psychotic fearures in his parents’ house in their bed literally weeping with joy and LAUGHING IN TERROR
>>25615277And masturbating backwards with his butt don’t forget that part it may come in handy later.
Does Fichte provide an image of the transition from death to life and immortality?No he was all words.Could you draw me a picture based on your intense relationship with him and study of his books?Yeah but bear in mind it’s only an image. A battlefield, everyone dead, not a single one alive, blood everywhere, the smell of death, red sun. One body begins to twitch, it is at first confused, thhen angry because of its last battle, then horrified. This body LITERALLY rises from the dead. But because his resurrection was a twitching resurrection he’s all neurotic about his body or some shit. He hurls himself into this grim wasteland, this dead world, to find what he had lost, only for some reason he barely remembers his past life and is not sure what he is supposed to be looking for. Like an RPG basically.
>>25607981this book fucking sucks
If only these poor beknighted normies understood that the only way to become wizards and sorcerers and have adventures is to study philosophy, perhaps in particular Fichte, rather than loterally plug their soul into a techbro billoonaire’scass. Can you imagine that, living inside some retard’s ass? Form a hood mental picture, noe. Do youvreally want to be in HIS ass? I feel filthy even having his image in my phone! Then again as a man, insofar and only so gar as he really is a man, I have a grudging respect for him. Thar be a sense in which he be truly my buddy my brother, even praps my master ond keeper. Look at him thar with his lovely teeth!
Whay was original sin Grandpa Marx?Well… I wasn’tvthere so I can’t say gor certain but I’d say it was violence. Because thevoriginal sin was violeence I’d speculate you can pretty much literally do whatever the fuck you want as long as ot’s not violent. Acradical, revolutionary idea.
But vut about me? Vere do I fit into all of zis? Can I join ze party?Only if you promise not to do another holocaust.Dude that literally neverveven happened! Yes it did, Hitler. It’s okay, you’re in denial. We’re all in denial about something. But you need to growvup and admitvthat it did happen.Nein!Then fuck off we’ll replace you with Marx. You’re fired.
Will there be free speech in full communism?Kind of. Whatever you say will be hoovered up implanted in Zuckerberg’s brain then he will zhoop the thought back at you by looking you dead in the eyes. By living inside Zuckerberg’s brain you will be freer than ever before in speech?A yes or no choice imo.Anon all choices are exceedingly complex life is delicate. Think aboit what you do, be non-violent, even in speech try to not be hurtful. You could really hurt the inhuman noy alive faceless forces that are oppressing you by being nonviolent and reading Fichte and experimental dialectical masturbation. Nb: these forces are nameless definitely not any particular individual. I’ve seen interviews with Zuckerberg he’s a man like us we’re all men. Just perhaps it is time he got another job. Like we could make him a janitor or some shit.
>>25615434Not such a crazy idea. After all Donald Trump’s own brother was a drunken maintenance man. A nonviolent revolutionary shuffling of the deck by means of magic and Fichte. Sounds pretty rad desu where do I sign up?
Is this image non-violent?Well to me an image as such is never violent. Really the laws of the nation definecwhat really “counts” as violence. So we will likely need to summon some lawyers ro do this. But I think many lawyers think the same as us basically.
finished this today, in 7days i think, has anyone read the analytical version of this? is it good?
WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO YOURSELF?
>>25615853>WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO YOURSELF?This is 4chan. Samefagging is the norm. We need the IP counter back and unique IDs on all boards.
>>25616680honestly it's better the way it is now. allows for better suspension of belief for samefagging. and tbf samefagging is what keeps /lit/ alive. i myself samefag as up to 29 different anons at any given time giving the illusion of great activity. this would immediately have been called out in the olden times.
>>25616692Translated: I'm such a shitty poster I have to invent so many larps to artifically make my posts look intetesting when they are not.
>>25616726translated: i am gay and i like buttsex
>>25616752Thats a brief translation of the symposium.
>>25616752>translated: i am gay and i like buttsexSo philosophy then?
>Hadrian. Why did Venus marry Vulcan?>Epictetus. To show how hot love is.>Hadrian. Why was she squint-eyed?>Epictetus. Because her loves were depraved ones.>Hadrian. What is love?>Epictetus. The trouble of a peaceful breast; modesty or shame in a boy; blushes in a girl; a fury in a woman; ardor in a young man; a joke in old age; a crime in a seducer.
kant and hegel are wizards. fichte is a madman. schelling is a dreamer. schopenhauer is a psychotic depressive. nietzsche is a maniac. frege is an autist whose special interest is logic.
Esoteric kantretard posted and no one replied and his post got archived LOL. If you are reading this, how does it feel knowing if you died and never posted your faggot ass threads again literally no one would care? Please kys.
>>25608523Marx is 'right' because a buncha rich Jews poured and continue to pour resources into making him right.https://youtu.be/4c0IoFWJJJA?is=dWTovb9dB24OF37H At some point this soft handed shylock reveals that the primary (I think he even goes as far as to say only) source of Marx's data on English factories were inspectors hired by the House of Lords with an express interest in delegitimizing bourgeoise advances in power (Marx would say advances in capital, but Marx stinks) it's not that Marx was a useful idiot for them though. He was too a member of the gentry. Someone believing that there needed to be a class of people that would direct the actions of a lesser people. Marx thought this way because he was not a self-hating Jew, but the quintessential cosmpolitan Jew. "Promised to me 3000 years ago." I know how /pol/ I sound, but they're butchering Palestinians rn because Bibi called them Amelakites. Sometimes a spade is a spade. Sometimes a people work at crafting their myth into reality... actually.... it happens quite often.
>>25620264who?
>>25606596https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/ShapeOfSuffering/Section0004.html
>>25621515If you have to ask don't even worry about it.
anyone read deleuze?
