Unpopular opinion: the most grave threat mtfs, HRT femboys and any other group that can only survive if their shell stays fem are the gender abolitionists.You’ve seen more and more of them in this board saying things like “HRT/FFS is sexist”, “a (bald) man self declaring as a woman is more valid than HRT boymoding (that malefails)” etc.Their worst crime is saying women can be bald, have beards and troonjak bodies and that means you don’t need HRT and should be forced to go bald and swell up so they can get more bearded ladies for their gender abolition revolution. They want to turn you into a monster if you were born male and use you for their war. Also gender abolitionists and bearded I don’t need HRT to be trans are disproportionately pedos and sex offenders (a rapist wouldn’t want E getting in the way of his acts and likes his big ugly body)
>>45179301>Unpopular opinion: the most grave threat mtfs, HRT femboys and any other group that can only survive if their shell stays fem are the gender abolitionists.personally i think the gravest threat are the people actually trying to ban trans healthcare, who are conservatives, not gender abolitionists>You’ve seen more and more of them in this board saying things like “HRT/FFS is sexist”, “a (bald) man self declaring as a woman is more valid than HRT boymoding (that malefails)” etc.no, i actually haven't seen that
What was that supreme court thing again? Where they failed to argue that HRT was medically necessary or something like that?
>>45179301It’s such a strange position, if anything gender abolitionists ought to be pro medical transition and anti binary social transition.
>>45179387a lot are, the people OP is talking about are not commonin general it's a good heuristic to not trust anyone with weird gender takes who isn't also explicitly transhumanist. in the end all non-normoid positions collapse into radical morphological freedom and TERFism.
>>45179345Gender abolitionists are the main left faction that want HRT banned. Worse yet they’re the ones responsible for the (only trans) women can and should be bald and bearded and try to force that as the goal for others. They are looking fem as sexism but deliberately want a world where sexual dimorphism is as extreme as possible.>>45179387>>45179412They aren’t because they like mtfs being as male dimorphism as possible so they can get bearded men as women to break gender barriers. And also ideologically, they see someone looking like a woman and identifying as a woman as sexist and reinforcing gender roles. Which is why they call FFS mutilation. Look at why they defend to the point of demanding the bald and bearded trans woman images.
>>45179345Also, you can’t coherently push back against the right when leftists say you are the gender you feel and don’t need HRT to be trans (and therefore HRT is not needed and sexist and should be banned).And you also can’t defend when gender abolitionists are constantly telling everyone the ideal trans woman is a bald bearded sissy who will go into the same rooms as your daughter. Or because a lot of the gender abolitionists and beardos they find are sex offenders who like that since it gets them near victims without having to hurt their manhood.Right has a lot of weaknesses and I’d caught up in a massive Epstein scandal but until you harry the gender abolitionists and bearded ladies to extinction you can’t exploit them. Really, tactical cooperation with chuds to bully them out of the public sphere is probably the way to go. Boymoders do not provoke the same hate arrogant bearded ladies do.
>>45179476>Gender abolitionists are the main left faction that want HRT banned.can you show me an example of one endorsing actual concrete bills that are really before a legislature?i've no doubt you can find some retard on tumblr who holds this position, but there is no causal pathway between them and the anti-trans measures that governments have actually implemented. the closest you can get to that is chase strangio being incompetent in his argument for the correct side on skrmetti.
>>45179301one of my most controversial opinions i think gender abolition is misogynist and probably stems from internalized misogyny. also pushed by the elites just to make everyone hate themselves and confused duh. like sexual dimorphism will always exist and by extention men and women will always on some level act differently just because it’s different experiences and it’s human nature to categorize and play up their own exclusive traits. like these freaks literally treat gendered expression as a personal shortcoming. and it is just psychological cuckoldry. they want u to throw away ur own desires for some bullshit idea of virtues. and they DO want to make everyone just as nonbinary and autistic as they are cus they don’t know how to stop projecting their own like personal grievances that stem from being mistreated for being autistic or autistic adjacent. that or they’re just john50 sissies. but literally society just hates women so fucking much and they want women to internalize that. not to say like anyone has to be feminine or masculine duh do what ever u want. but society really just despises women so much. they hate men too just because like the goyim or something. but the hatred of women is so prevalent in ways that can not always even be fully consciously realized. like injected into subconscious and somatic areas. they want to change the severing of the physical and mental to the default mode of expression.
>You’ve seen more and more of them in this board saying things like “HRT/FFS is sexist”, “a (bald) man self declaring as a woman is more valid than HRT boymoding (that malefails)” etc.havent seen this nor do i believe this as a gender abolitionistyour goal is to sow division where it does not exist and you NEED to kill yourself>Gender abolitionists are the main left faction that want HRT banned.this is literal fantasy, nophono has seen this
>>45179301the real enemy is prescriptivism in any form
>>45179301get fucked lmao>>45179517you forgot to put passing trans women on there, you retarded nazi faggot
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>>45179301They are dysgenic freaks who want to destroy beautiful things just for the sake of it
>>45179766this is literally just calling out a problem where there already was one. have u ever been to a therapist as a youngshit tranny they just bitch to u abt “harmful gender norms” and try and woke detransition u. same w my ex nonbinary friend who would say “hrt is transphobic”. those ppl r not a part of “the community” cus they might as well js be quirky cis ppl not transsexuals
>>45179548Gender abolitionists aren’t big enough or organized enough (do you think a pack of mentally ill molesters can lobby?) but their rhetoric and their beared ladies are cited by almost any attempt to restrict transition.More trivially you can find gender abolitionists shilling the non HRT troonjak on tttt, we are suffering from a scourge of anti HRT gender abolitionists and non HRT troons who insist their bald selves are more valid a ton came out of the woodwork for the pro bald man in dresses revolt here https://archiveofsins.com/lgbt/thread/44358368/#44359961 also the rise in anti HRT trans cuck threads Reddit has even more, old men who’s profile history reveals they’ve been accused of pedo who are the biggest promoters of the bald beard mtf images and say that’s the proper state of an amab and they’re not transphobic because they’re gender abolitionists
>>45179301HRT femboys are inherently gender abolitionists. Also the whole thing causes not even 1% of the problems terfs and right wingers cause
>>45179766Gender abolitionists and woke transphobes hate passing mtfs. FFS is mutilation and sexist stereotypes they say, HRT is unnatural and sexist and women can be bald so it’s the duty of mtfs to go bald Also hello bald pedo who is coming for my HRT. Whatever happened to my body my choice?Gender abolitionists are not trans and they are the natural enemy to anyone who transes their sex traits.Picrel is you
>>45179910I am an HRT femboy and one that gets posted a lot as an example they can look cute whenever non HRT get used to say they’re ugly. I am not a gender abolitionist since gender is a result of sex. If you declare it abolished as gender abolitionists want and sex transing harder since now it’s just self declared gender as the medical treatment, then you maximize dimorphism you retard.Gender abolitionism will make sex dimorphism and therefore gender more extreme than ever.I want unlimited body autonomy and am for things like people who are not gender trans medically transitioning regardless.Which incidentally my body autonomy and personal freedom scheme is the only thing that comes close to what the antihrt gender abolitionists claim to want. They really just want anyone born male made a monster.>>45179884Therapist had this weird trap where he wants you to declare as Nb and then says you can’t get HRT because all NB need to transition is self declare their bald self isn’t male. Thankfully I was a smart and tricked into thinking I’m mtf.
>>45179301Gender abolitionism is impossible in a sexually dimorphic species, and it's very suspicious when trans people are expected to be cannon fodder for this gender war when the other 99% of humanity will never ever give up gender roles. Honestly, I think a lot of it is just "allies" gatekeeping full woman status from mtf the same way that 3rd genders were a way of ostracizing LGBT in the past. The idea of passing fulling actually scares a lot of cis allies because they are comfortable with gender distinctions (which makes them advocating for you to deconstruct them even more hypocritical).
>>45179884yes, i have experienced that exact scenario you described; it's not gender-abolition, it's called "conversion therapy"every human being alive is technically a gender-abolitionist, because gender is a fake and gay concept created by *insert your favorite elite kabal here* to sell more shoes and keep us enslaved in the consumption cult. the real issue at hand are the people who are anti-HRT. this retarded belief does not, in fact, stem from gender-abolition but from the same *kabal of elites* who benefit from the violation of your bodily autonomy, the starving of your people, and the very existence of ""gender"" in the first placeget fucking woke
>>45179928you're inventing problems, take your fucking meds (HRT) silly schizo.your problem is with the people who are anti-HRT, not the people who are anti-gender. learn to fucking disentangle your woke noeliberal brainwashing and think for your self, you absolute plebian
>>45180099That conversion therapy is being perpetrated by a woke afab therapists who hold balding non HRT or hon as the ideal representative and state of amabs. They try and get their patients to try dressing and self declaring and coming out over HRT and see HRT as at best unneeded and at worst sexist. Gender abolitionists are its primary adherent and so they take the blame.>>45180081Gender arises out of Dimorphism, it’s all but a law of nature. So long as dimorphism is great there will always be great gender disparities and roles. The gender abolitionists hang their own nose.
>>45179983that’s evil asf. i didn’t need therapist for hrt besides the ones at pph who were chill asf. but my parents made me get one afterwards who js told me all the basic ur so validdd how u are stuff>>45180099ok but how would that benefit me. i like buying shoes. again this is just psychological cuckoldry. it doesn’t matter how woke u are if you subconsciously and somatically hold the truth that desire is bad. buying stuff is fun. so i dont get wym
>>45180175>hold balding non HRT or honthat's not gender abolition, that's the simulacra of gender through charicaturetheyfab/hon is equally as gendered language as woman/man
>>45180188>i like buying shoesyou're the real cuck. if you had to choose between shoes and HRT, which fucking side are you on? obviously, in reality, you can have both; but which one are you going to stake your very existence on?learn how to prioritize, it may save your life one day
>>45180198That is how gender abolitionists and theyfabs think. They abolished “gender” but still crave the hierarchy they were used to so they turn amab and afab into the new genders and to make it clear all the amab mtfs need to become bald and bearded troonjaks. Look even at links like the ones in tttt, even here they will argue that is more legit than passing.
>>45180234am i misunderstanding u? hrt obviously. the fuck
>>45180188I mean I was already on HRT but I’m pretty sure he(idk if bald pooners are he) would have probably done weird life meddling to try and get me to medically detrans.I hate woke transphobes.
>>45180266lol true therapists r just insane
>>45180247This is why I wish trans women would have more confidence and not even add the "trans" qualifier to describe themselves to cis ppl. Call yourself a cis woman, lie about your childhood, etc. People asking about your private medical history should be mocked, towards no other group is it acceptable to bring it up.
>>45180247>even here they will argue that is more legit than passingno one has ever said that. gender is fake, hormones are real.begone, fed
>>45180356>gender is fakegender roles are observed in every single society in history, what you're doing is some kind of fallacy that I'm too lazy to remember the name of
>>45180255obviously, the correct chioice if you're not a psychopath. HRT saves lives; shoes do not. simple as.
>>45180383>patrick bateman is observed in every single society in historydumb fuck, show me the paleolithic tuxedos
>>45180356You shill kawaii bald men in dresses as what mtfs should be.And yes you did, see him argue bald non HRT troonjaks are how to transition properly and that HRT boymoders (who on 4chan honestly are visually twinks and femboys at worst) aren’t trans and should be masculinized to become proper troonjaks like the bearded bald ones.
>>45180406like obviously? i’m still not sure what you’re fundamentally disagreeing on with anyone in this thread so much that u have to call it a fedpost
>>45180456>July 30th, 2026find one from this month
>>45180489if we're not disagreeing, then all is wellpeace be with you
>>45180503Moving goal posts after saying it never happens. I haven’t been on much recently so I haven’t seen. Hopefully responding to them and non HRT troonjaks drove them off. And there have been many pro anti-HRT mtf threads where the posters are bald btw.But see how aggressive the antihrt gender abolitionists are, their don’t take HRT and make social declarations campaign goes as far as 4chan of all places. And 4chan, a nest for the take HRT and leave the nonsense declarations for later mentality is probably the most hostile place to their ideology.
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>>45180660I’m pretty sure that poster wasn’t trolling. He meant the self declaring gender while not on HRT and going bald was the right way to be mtf trans. There are countless like him among the old bald men of Reddit and theyfabs of tumblr, it’s why they make their typical woke drawing of mtfs as bald and bearded troonjaks.We also had many people smug about how they were being trans and looking good without HRT (and in most cases very Norwooded) sometimes because their literal wife’s boyfriend told them they don’t need HRT to be a woman. So yes, fair to say 4chan suffered an anti-HRT gender abolitionist invasion this year
>>45179301why isn't anybody in 2026 capable of making any political argument whatsoever without calling their opposition pedophiles.
>>45180756Because a faction made of men who look like this and want to medically detransition you to look like them is full of sex offenders.Look at Britain where no HRT is enforced and how there prisoners self declare as women all the time since there is no cost to their manhood
>>45180836pedotrannies are mostly innocent uwu small beans who hate faketroon men as much as if not more than you. stop throwing sisters under the bus because you're brainwashed by kike ideology that has made a political tool out of demonizing and insulting a sexual minority that used to be accepted within LGBT community decades before it had today's issues with fraudsters speaking over us.
>>45180836the vast majority of people who commit sexual offenses against children are not pedophiles.
>>45179895>Gender abolitionists aren’t big enough or organized enough (do you think a pack of mentally ill molesters can lobby?yes, that's my point. you're talking about a very small minority of people with no political power>but their rhetoric and their beared ladies are cited by almost any attempt to restrict transition.so, do you see how the bigger enemy here is the people who are directly trying to restrict transition, rather than the misguided people whose arguments that enemy cites as weakmen of the pro-trans position? like yes, they're not helping, but if they all disappeared tomorrow our rights would still be under threat. nothing substantive would change.
>>45180719and he couldn't find evidence more recent than half a year ago, i think it's safe to say this is a non-issue.sage
>>45180898reject gender-war ideology, embrace bodily autonomy and HRT-rightssage this bs thread
>>45180877Smoke screen to protect non HRT rape hons. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/31/almost-two-thirds-of-trans-women-prisoners-sex-offenders/Non HRT or anti HRT men who identify as women (just as gender abolitionist want) convicted of sex crimes make up almost all of Britain’s jailed troons https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/31/almost-two-thirds-of-trans-women-prisoners-sex-offenders/When HRT is banned and seen as unneeded to be trans you make it very easy for rapists with already bad reputations to self declare as trans to get better treatment. It’s to the point most sex offenders in the UK are non HRT trans. This is what gender abolitionists who want to take your HRT want.Idk if you’re using AHE or others who want to look youthful as a false equivalence but I see none of them on the sex offender list or even having interests in kids other than their weird anime fandoms while 2/3 of all incarcerated troons in Britain are pedos and worse and also never on HRTKill the bearded lady and the weak will be safe
>>45180976you're literally just not even responding to what i said twice in a row now, are you a bot?
>>45179301I don't even know what the fuck language you're speaking fag
>>45180921We can’t end gender war ideology till the woke transphobes, misandrists and anti HRT gender abolitionists in the left are defeated.>>45180898>very smallThis means out of all the existential threats we face - and convincing the left you don’t need HRT and convincing the public that bald and bearded men not on HRT who don’t medically transition or even try to look like women but feel like women has been a generational disaster so they are a grave threat- we can actually defeat them.Ridicule them and make it clear trans women are ridiculing them and calling their anti HRT women can be bald and you don’t need HRT stance anti trans At the same time team up with crystal cafes, Sharty and whatever other places like bothering the really ugly not on HrT bearded ladies to bully them out of public life and wearing a dress.Then you can push back against the right with a far more coherent narrative and none of the pedos and ‘trans is bald men who self declare as women you bigot’ parts to backstab us.
>>45181058>i DoN'T eVEN Know WHAT the FUCK lAnGuAGE you're sPeAKInG FAg
>>45181070>we can't end the gender war until we do more gender wari'm beginning to think OP may be disingenuoussage sage sage
>>45179301Didn't read, your mom is a whore btw>>45181131>i'm beginning to think OP may be disingenuousOP's pic didn't tell you that immediately?
>>45181000worse, a sharteen whose parents paid for an iphone
>>45181131I want the people who use us as props in their quest for power, who tell us what to do with our bodies gone. Especially because what they plan for us is the indescribably grotesque body horror they say mtfs should be like in:https://i.4cdn.org/lgbt/1793476938197765.jpgThey want you bald and with a beard and they claim to be your benevolent masters and shill their gender ideology with you as the one to take the blame.Kill them and gain your freedomt. Greater feminine amab irredentist
>>45181320>>45181221Only those who think bald non HRT mtfs are valid get offended by troonjak. He’s a cis man in a tutu, not someone medically transitioning.Everyone else just realizes it’s making fun of bad actors and hons
>>45181070>and convincing the left you don’t need HRTthe left isn't convinced of this! the american progressive left from DSA outward continues to be a reliable ally for trans people who need access to care! it's conservatives and centrists who want to appease the conservatives who are actively working to restrict HRT. >At the same time team up with crystal cafes, Sharty and whatever other places like bothering the really ugly not on HrT bearded ladies to bully them out of public life and wearing a dress.>just team up with the people who want you dead to social-murder the next group down on the ladder from youdo you think i am retarded?
