Nonas I'm upset, I braved the outside and forced my shut-in ass down to the doctor today and asked for a prescription for progesterone. It's an lgbt practice and all the doctors there used to be gay and chill but I never had this doctor before. I told him I've been on hrt for 2 1/2 years and could I have some progesterone please, and he said>No.In a big city in Germany, at an lgbt doctor, and I was paying cash and not going through insurance, and the guy wouldn't give it to me, he said I have to go to an endocrinologist to get it.ChatGPT assured me it would be no problem and now I'm really sad because I wanted bigger boobs and I was really excited to finally start prog.This asshole doctor wouldn't even give me tretinoin for my skin, he said I'd have to go to a dermatologist. He gave me cialis no problem though. Is this a hate crime, should I call the FBI?Posting here because there's no /hrtgen/ and I don't know how to bake.
>>45168285they dont do shit anyways but temporarily add more water to your breasts and maybe raise your libido
>>45168306me when i lie
>>45168306ok but I'd love both of those things. And better sleep. Does it help with fat distribution?
>>45168327Tbf I had to go off prog for like a week once and my boobs shrank quite a bit
>>45168327What kind of effects did you get?
>>45168347Does that mean that people have to take it constantly? I wasn't sure if it was something that was supposed to be cycled?
i was on oral prog for 18 months and it did literally nothing. i've heard you need to have it prepared as a suppository in order to bypass the liver, but i would research that. not something i was willing to do after no results orally
>>45168424>oral progyeah wonder why
>>45168424I'm more than willing to shove it up my butt, if only I could get some, I've had way worse things up there
>>45168445yeah i'm not sticking pills up my butt every day on the off-chance i happen to get slightly bigger boobs. i like being able to run without a sports bra
>>45168452can be taken sublingually but hey enjoy your DHT metabolites
>>45168452I would stick anything up my ass if I thought it might give me bigger boobs.
>>45168490I’ve been literally doing this with dick, for some reason I keep thinking cum will feminize me enough eventually
>>45168526I think you have to swallow it, and then it metabolizes into estradiol....
>>45168452>>45168490What if you had a chaser to assist you with such an endeavor?
prog raises my dht
>germans get refused prog by doctors and have their DIY supplies confiscated in police raidskek common german L. should have been born on the right side of the mountains but we'd have expelled your ancestors from sudetenland anyway so that would never have happened.
>>45168285German endos as a rule don't prescribe progesterone. When I asked for it, mine said that cypro is a progestin, so it's the same thing, which is of course bullshit. When I took that as cause to ask if I could stop cypro and switch to a different t blocker because I don't want brain tumors, she said they don't prescribe any others. She also had me on 4mg oral e and after that two doses of topical e, complete hondose. If you want progesterone and general non worthless hrt in Germany, you have to diy and risk getting raided by cops I'm sorry to say
>>45168886If that was true i wouldve been a gigapassoid ive been eating my own cum since age 12
>>45169426That's fine with me, doctors don't know shit about this kind of stuff, and hondosing endos are basically criminals, but GPT convinced me that it would be no problem for them to give me prog, so I got my hopes up. I don't know where to find that stuff, it would be so comfy if I could just pick it up from the pharmacy. Fucking gatekeepers bah
>>45169508myaphrodite(.)shop sometimes stocks it, but they're constantly out and really expensive anyway. I get mine on doktorabc. it winds up being the same price as diy, so expensive, but they're always in stock. just search for famenita, fill out the questionnaire and lie about having early menopause, theyll get you a prescription and you'll get it delivered next day
Also some years ago when I was still repping, a different doctor at the same practice actually gave me a testosterone shot, he even proactively suggested it when he saw how low my T was.And then today with this different dude he was like 'we don't touch anything to do with hormones here'.And why the FUCK wouldn't he give me tretinoin, like mind your business and write the paper, I'll buy whatever I want.
>>45168306>they dont do shit anyways but temporarily add more water to your breaststhis
>>45169543I kind of love you rn Nona, checking it out now
>>45168285> Chatgpt assured me it'd be no problemChatgpt is sychophantic, and pushes you to go legit on everything.Not even in the West is it that simple.If you want HRT, DIY.It's that simple.There is no other way.
>>45169508you can also try medicineapo. expensive but pretty reliable, it's where i've been buying from the past few years. ships from czech republic pretty close to the german border so probably won't take long to arrive for you, for me as a domestic customer it usually takes like a day or two once they confirm the order.
>>45169545Doctors here don't exist to help you, they exist to talk to you for two minutes, say whatever issue you have is psychosomatic or normal and send you away to do the same to the next patient. They're not interested in treating you, if they spend more than 5 minutes on a public insurance patient, they're losing money so they do nothing at all. If you want any real healthcare, you have to pay for it out of pocket, not just trans stuff
>>45169583Yeah that's why I was surprised, I told him I was self-paying, and the last doctor I had at that place was super chill and would prescribe any kind of drug I wanted. Normally German doctors prescribe tea and rest, and they never want you to take any kind of chemical, and unlucky that was the kind I got today
>>45169433Added a fun fact
>>45169629I hate the doctors here so much. I'll probably die from something preventable because talking to them is always such a pointless and disrespectful experience from start to finish
>>45169677Yeah I was lucky my previous doc was young and chill, the guy from today looked just like this, except even balder. He wasn't even gay.
>>45168327You when being a fool
>>45169711sorry that happened. crying and shaking rn
>>45168366I've cycled mine almost the entire time it was prescribed.>>45168424Oral progesterone has *terrible* bio-availability. It was always known to be poorly absorbed but it turns out even the initial estimates over-estimated its bio-availability by a factor of like 8. The metabolites generated in supraphysiological levels by first pass metabolism cross-react substantially with progesterone immunoassays. To even measure it in blood accurately you need LC/MS.Oral progesterone is insufficient to prevent endometrial hyperplasia (not that that's relevant to us), because it's basically a placebo.Rectal administration results in dramatically higher progesterone levels for the same dose.
>>45169790>>45168366There is no evidence that cycling it has any benefits. For me, it just causes mood swings, so I just take it consistently
>>45169751I hope he lives a long, happy, and fulfilling life, but I wish he'd just given me my stuff.When I told him I've been taking E for 2 1/2 years he was a little bit confused and he was like 'you are taking it because you want to transition?' but he'd already said he wasn't going to give me my prog and I was thinking 'I'm taking it because I want to, and it's none of your fuckin business, fuck you for asking if you're not going to help me'
>>45169887I had to talk to an amtsarzt last year for an official medical evaluation and she just interviewed me about being trans for 20 minutes, even though that had nothing to do with the actual topic of the visit. they're all so disrespectful and entitled to all sorts of personal information if you're trans. Seems like you had a good one, I never did. total doctor death.
>>45169912And then on the weekend she boasted that she'd met a trans, and told all her friends everything that you'd told her. I hope you just told her a bunch of made up lies since it wasn't relevant and not her business anyway
>>45169963Oh God, I know that's what she did and that a bunch of people who meet me do. Fuck you for reminding me, I want to hide forever now
>>45169508you can go ask a gyn, they tend to be more willing to give a fuckor a service like doktorabc
>>45170024Small people are always going to judge and gossip about others, and trans people are just more interesting to gossip about. Who gives a fuck about what small people think desu
>>45170281It's the right attitude, but I'm tired of being a weird novelty. I wish I could just be a person
>>45170302Truth
>>45170279Thanks Nona, I'm gonna see if I can fool DoktorABC's questionnaire into giving me my stuff that I have the right to put up my butt if I want to
>>45170332They barely look at the questionnaire I think. When they ask way you want it, just say early menopause. I even put my other tranny medications in the field where they ask what other meds I take and got the prescription for prog anyway. They want to make money, the questionnaire is just an alibi
>>45170358Do I have to tell them my real date of birth and birth sex, do I have to give them ID, or can I just lie about everything?
>>45170377You can lie about everything. I gave them my real date of birth and legal name. It worked despite me being too young for menopause, I claimed I had my uterus and ovaries removed. I gave my legal name because I am legally a woman and its easier if I'm not home and have to pick it up from a post station. If you're jot legally female with a female name, lie. They don't check
>>45170485Ok yeah I lied too and it looks like they accepted it just fine. Did I fill it out wrong that there's a 29eur treatment cost? I'll try some different options to see if I can make it go away.Bonus they also have my tretinoin that the grumpy Kanzler wouldn't give me today
>>45170566No, you always have to pay the treatment cost unfortunately. Which sucks, but comes out to the same cost as gray market diy pharmacies. They have coupons every couple of weeks for like 20€, you'll be getting them by email now that you've ordered once. Just use those when they're available and it mostly covers the "treatment cost"
>>45170566>>45170812Oh and could you tell me how you got tretinoin from them? I wanted that too, but they only have preparations with other shit for acne or something. I thought for general skincare, you wanted it pure. Could you let me know which one to get?
>>45170812Ah ok that's worth it if I don't have to go begging some gatekeeping old man for it >>45170838I'm choosing Cordes Vas, 0.5 mg/g tretinoin, because GPT says that's the good stuff for anti aging and "speeding up cell renewal and rebuilding collagen at a cellular level". In other words it makes you pretty.DoktorABC is being funky though, it won't let me order two things at the same time so I'll leave the tret for now and get it next time
>>45168285Yes call FBI german bastards are all scum BURN GERMANY TO GEOUND AND JAPAN TOO FUCKING BASTARDSSSSSSSSSS
>>45171006this but unironcallyt. g*rman
>>45169543pct247.ru has it cheap, but not in eu countriest. usa
>>45171126pct247 also has tretanoin (a-ret) and pio, ive bought from them before and it went well
