Not a tranner. Or even a porn addict. I used to be but HRT took that away. but I’m still left with the yearning to look like picrel. Why’s that? Let’s go beyond bolshevism, feminism, degeneracy, chemicals in the water, etc. There has to be some sort of universal reason why men throughout history have wanted to capture the female form for themselves. My personal explanation leans into the occult and egyptian lore. I’d like to hear some thoughts from my fellow anons
>>45161692tranny
agp
>>45161701i dont believe in it no>>45161706i thought i was agp but i dont even remember the last time i jerked off. So if it was purely psychosexual i feel like the "psycho" would leave at the same time the "sexual" does..
>>45161692>There has to be some sort of universal reason why men throughout history have wanted to capture the female form for themselvesI've unironically wondered this before but I probably have a very biased perspective since I'm on hrt
sorry dude youre agp pornbrainedt.ranny who would not want to look like that
>>45161692Its really really braindead. By nature, all humans are enby, bigender. They express aspects of maleness and femaleness in different proportions. Throughout the drama of history, we have arrived at the invention of the stark repression and separation of sexes, such that the whole human being comes to be identified with the state of the body. For males, this means the complete repression of all female expression or identity into the unconscious shadow. It is from here, that a vague concept of “I should express my femininity” is warped by psychic currents into “I should wholly become a woman and abandon my malehood”, with often phenomenally disastrous results. The OPTIMAL course of action is to consciously expose those early memories of speciation into male or female roles, and recognize the urge for what it is, a latent androgyny endemic to humankind from our inception that was crudely programmed out of us.
>>45161970sexual dimorphism is a curse
>>45161970retard
>>45162019You call me retard but this is the exact etiology of sissy julia. As you get more mannish, the stronger the unresolved tension becomes, and the more inappropriately the unconscious lashes out with fetishes and possessions and etc. If you want to spare yourself that gruesome fate you MVST unpack that inner girl and get her on team “we’re gonna be a boy”, probably after years of abuse and thats a hard process.
>>45161692>There has to be some sort of universal reasonNo? Why would that have to exist? Substantiate your claim!
>>45162092doesn't work that way these things are to some extent hardwired in the brain
>>45162149Oh foo, you likely don’t know the half of neuroendocrinology, let alone the relevant immunoneuroendopsychology to decide that sort of thing, neither do 99% of the people working on the science you’re reading to come to that conclusion. Gonadal identity isn’t even “hardwired” and it will get worse and worse as gene edits get more common.
>>45161692It looks like a big fat lumpy body
>>45161970this sounds like wishy washy modernism desu. Trying to fit the entirety of human experiences onto a single binary spectrum i mean. I don't care for it. Except this part>recognize the urge for what it is, a latent androgyny endemic to humankind from our inception that was crudely programmed out of us.im curious why do you think we've been programmed with this?>>45162125Because it's a phenomenon that keeps appearing in any period of history you look and the explanations we're given for it keeps changing every few years...>>45162240modernistic mumbo jumbo>>45162253with the lump in the right places, retard. For a board full of trannies you guys sure don't seem to care for or even like the feminine form. Perhaps that's what makes me non tranny and thus better than you all
>>45161692it is a truth universally acknowledged that all men want to be voluptuous women
>>45162590i think it's well established that men will literally worship the female form. It's an end unto itself for most men. And even a literal rock can do as long as the curves are there lol. that shows the inherent love men have for the feminine form. It's crazy strong. but doesn't indicate they necessarily wanna become it imo.
>>45162579I think women have shit ugly bodies; the bigger they are in the butt and the bigger they are in the tits, the uglier they are to me cuz they look funny and they always look so fat
>>45162590 I rest my case
>>45161692>>45162590If men worship women's body, then why aren't they all agp?
>>45162590It's proof that some men like fat ugly bodies
>>45163255That's the main question i think. It's not why it happens at all but why some men decide to take it in that direction.
>>45163385no no, I don't get why not all men want to be woman if they worship the female form
>>45163385Repressed sexual energy. Men who can't get sex despite really wanting it, while being otherwise healthy, end up like this. The energy must go somewhere, it can't stay bottled up.
>>45163446Jerking off to hentai is arguably a form of female worship. Safe to assume there's many variations
>>45163570I don't fully buy that. Porn addicted trannies arent repressing anything
>>45161692I NEED you to post a back shot of this woman
>>45163446I like to eat ice cream but I don't want to be ice cream
>>45161692My dream body but smaller boobs
>>45165559Smaller boobs as in this image has smaller boobs or your dream has smaller boobs?
>>45165751I want smaller boobs, way flatter than the one in the image
>>45163570Retard you can just watch porn for that not spontaneously contract erotic target location error from inceldom
>>45165787I see. For me, if I were going full woman, I'd want OP's pic but even bigger boobs. But as a man I'd want my body and face and such to remain the same, but just with that butt and thighs.
>>45161692The very woman in the picture you provided doesn't even look like that. So it begs the question if what you are trying to embody even exists. That isn't to say that women with strong bottom-heavy or pear-shaped figures don't exist at all, but you should be aware your biases may be clouding your judgement of reality and that your expectations may not be the most grounded.I don't necessarily believe there needs to be some pathological explanation through some supposed esoteric truth, nor should these desires be written off as a mere fetish or ontological delusion. At the same time, there are multiple layers to this that I think you haven't unpacked yet. For the record, I have also had similar desires in the past. I'd very much appreciate if you expanded on your personal etiology, and I'm tangentially interested in your deduction to the occult.
>>45162019I wish I looked like that>>45162092Tell me how to do it I'm tired of feeling this way. >>45163385ETLE I guess. I was always confused when men around me said they would fuck a woman. In my mind I secretly ask, "Yeah, but if given the choice wouldn't you rather be her?"
Jesus... christ...
>>45166686heart crushing information holy fuck
>>45168384Nope nope nope. Come back here with me.>>45161692 look at those hips.
>>45168414that means its AI Sloppa though, there are better people out there that look like that.I'm not destined to look like this anyway so y'know, still heart crushing.giwtwm though
>>45166686I know. I could’ve used furry art and my point would’ve remained. I’m reaching for the moon and trying to land as close as possible. My personal own opinion about it all isn’t super developed, but basically I think that sex is magic (or “magick” if you wanna be faggy about it). In this framework, the female form is basically a spell that takes advantage of a man’s imperatives.I also like to reference Egypt in these conversations because there were able to see these spells for what they are without bogging them down with endless discourse about gender and sex. They were many times over more sophisticated than we are in that aspect of discourse.
>>45166686Still goals
>>45169237That's fair enough I suppose. If I had to guess, you want to embody a certain idealistic archetype of femininity as a means to an end. And "magick" is just a vehicle to meet that.Do you think if the dynamics were reversed in some alternate timeline, where the male form captures the female imperative to the same degree, would you still feel a strong desire to embody the female form?
>>45162590I LOVE the female form but even the thought of being a woman genuinely creeps me out and scares me. I think I have some kind of gynophobia though so I guess I don't count for most cis men
>>45171661She still has an hourglass figure, just not as exaggerated as >>45161692 or >>45168460 of course.I also wouldn't be surprised if the latter had additional work done on top of having a good starting point because I've never seen another woman with that body type.
>>45173641if she's had additional work done, it's the best work I've ever seen. I will die wishing I looked like her
>>45173111The world would have to be swapped one to one with only the shapes being different, because i would not go through this trouble to be able to just attract regular females. There's just not as much to get out of it, women arent really giving and what they have to offer (which tends to be sex and not much else) means little to me.
>>45173712So it seems it's about to the dynamics and leveraging of desirability, and less about the specifics of the physical forms, especially at the societal level more than the interpersonal. Am I following correctly?It's fascinating to me seeing some replies levying the tired "agp" accusations, but this seems like the opposite in a detached way. Is there anything specifically about femaleness that you find inherently appealing?
>>45173971There’s probably some flavor of agp going on, I mean I’ve watched a lot of porn in my life. But my libido is currently non existent yet I have no want to steer away from the feminization path. Curious. I steroidmaxxed for a bit and had some good times with the ladies, now I’m doing something else. Exogenous hormones I use like tools basically. But there’s something special with what estrogen does, and without those other esoteric aspects I’ve discussed earlier I might’ve not bothered at all. I’m aware the path I’m on is gonna bring in a lot of social friction to my life. But I see great rewards ahead so I forge on.
>>45161692it’s no different than the women who read smut without touching themselves, just cause u aint cranking your chain anymore dont mean you aint still chasing after a fetish
>>45161692Tranny
>>45174367I think certain fixations, whether they have a sexual or non-sexual basis, can often describe unmet psychological needs or unresolved trauma. So that might be related to why your desire to feminize isn't detracted by a weakened libido. Especially since you mentioned leaning into the more masculine side initially with steroid usage and hetero sex, was there something there that left you unfulfilled? Would you rather be the archetypal ideal of maleness (a gigachad) or femaleness (a gigastacy) if given the choice?>But there’s something special with what estrogen doesI take a more biological reductionist approach to hormones if I had to be honest. Estrogen and its receptors just activate certain genes to develop your body in certain ways, as with Testosterone and its receptors. I'm not too familiar with Egyptian mythology so maybe I missed what you were alluding to about the esoteric aspect of estrogen. >There’s probably some flavor of agp going onI've read a few testimonies from self proclaimed AGPs, where a core tenant of their desire to embody femininity was reciprocation. They understood their own degree of desire towards femaleness, and wanted that to be extended back to them. This desire gap felt like an inherent quality of male-female relations that was unresolvable if they stayed male, which is what pushed them towards wanting to embody femaleness instead.It also helps describe aspects of certain phenomena such as transbians having a seemingly higher incidence of AGP behaviors, the incel to trans pipeline, and how AFABs on the other side of the coin largely prefer to make themselves unfuckable as a protective mechanism from childhood trauma instead of mirroring that behavior through AAP.>>45173652She could have had some liposuction done on her midsection and/or a fat transfer to her butt. Most natural pear-shaped women still have some belly, and don't have hips visibly wider than their shoulders. Could be wrong though
>>45175181Hit char limitPic rel is an example of someone who did multiple liposuction and fat transfer procedures to get their figure, but already had a decent starting point. Honestly, her body looks uncanny in the few video clips I've seen, especially when walking
>>45166118>as a man I'd want my body and face and such to remain the same, but just with that butt and thighsthats kinda hot
>>45169237interesting what did you find ? like they use female form as a spell ?
>>45175181>>45174367>>45166686i had AAP once but now i have varying degrees of AGP . later found that those AAP traits are what i found arousing in men but for most of my life i thought of myself as straight . now my AGP varies whether i aroused or not but at some point i was like OP and only i wanted hyperfem features . so whar am i ?
>>45161692Whenever I see posts like these, I always imagine op crying when typing out "I'm a man"
>>45175181>This desire gap felt like an inherent quality of male-female relations that was unresolvable if they stayed male, which is what pushed them towards wanting to embody femaleness instead.I’d describe this as a pathological reaction to internalization of flawed societal norms. I tend to live outside of these type of things, probably why I didn’t fully fall for the tranny meme (ie actually thinking myself a woman). I’ll say though, in order to be intellectually consistent, that given the choice to be born into our current world as a male versus a female i very well might pick female. The reason is utilitarian, there’s just not many advantages to being a manly man in current year. Physical strength and endurance are hobbies nowadays, no one has a better life because they’re the strongest/tallest in their town/village. On the other hand a beautiful youthful female has the entire world revolving around her basically. She’s a witch and doesn’t even know it.>>45177239I think the forms and shapes themselves are the spell and that most women don’t realize how much power they have. I mean many start getting the hint once they hit the wall at 30 but again, it’s only a faint realization that something has fundamentally changed, not much more. Had I been born a female I probably wouldn’t have realized any of this. I only know because I felt it first hand
there's no occult its a fetish lmfao the egyptians aren't making you a fag
>>45177728So it’s a circumstantially functionalist decision, got it. I know you already said you don’t think of yourself as a woman or like a typical tranny, but do you think you’ve ever felt at all what could be described as gender dysphoria?Also regarding what you mentioned earlier>I’m reaching for the moon and trying to land as close as possibleI’m gonna assume you’re in your late 20s or early 30s. You can’t really transition into being younger, and in your words you’d be missing out on that peak. Do you believe you could still have a gainful transition?
>>45177465Did you ever have co-occurring AAP and AGP?
>>45178839> do you think you’ve ever felt at all what could be described as gender dysphoria?The closest would probably be the feeling I got when I imagined myself with boobs. So like, the opposite of disphoria lol. I’m kind of over it at this point like I said.> I’m gonna assume you’re in your late 20s or early 30s. You can’t really transition into being younger, and in your words you’d be missing out on that peak. Do you believe you could still have a gainful transition?I’m 25 lol. I don’t think I’m transitioning, I’m just doing the fem version of roided bodybuilding, and I wouldn’t consider that “transitioning”. Another thing I’ll add is that the estrogen has indeed had the effect of making me look years younger, which is one of the prizes I’m after. On test I looked like I was in my early to mid thirties, and now I look squarely 20yo. I might’ve missed out on some of those “youthfulness/cuteness” gains had I started at 20 or 15 buy to me this is kinda like yearning my parents had started me at some some sport when I was 6 just so I could compete. I don’t really care, I put more value in the perspective I’ve developed than a slightly different bone structure. (I also don’t think 25 is particularly late even for trannies who are trying to transition fully so I’m not in the majority with that take lol)
>>45180162>I’m just doing the fem version of roided bodybuildingnta but based af.it will be another 10-15 years until it will be fully understood that you can just fem out because you want to. it needn't be philosophical lol.>>45178894nta but yes, lol.
>>45180162Yeah that’s fair. I wasn’t trying to push the tranny label or anything, just curious how you saw yourself. How long have you been off steroids and on HRT? What’s the difference between the two mentally?>estrogen has indeed had the effect of making me look years younger, which is one of the prizes I’m afterThat’s pretty legit. A lot of trannies sabotage themselves with shitty lifestyle choices such as substance abuse and poor diets, but estrogen can genuinely get you looking 5-10 years younger when coupled with healthy habits.>On test I looked like I was in my early to mid thirtiesI genuinely don’t get why so many other men find this appealing. Dudes my age (I’m also in my mid 20’s) on juice looking like they could be my dad, including the aged skin and receded hairline or just straight up balding. Don’t get me started on the midsection bloat and acne scarring. All that to gain muscle faster and die earlier? Testosterone really does feel like poison sometimes.>I also don’t think 25 is particularly late even for trannies who are trying to transition fully25 is the ceiling for the majority of meaningful bone changes due to plate fusion, but you could still get some changes if you had an exceptionally late puberty.>>45180662If there was a variation of estrogen that didn’t break your dick and make you infertile, I unironically think a ton of cis men would be willing to take it. Too bad most NB HRT regimens are experimental and unsustainable in the long run
>>45161692No point in giving you guys the real answer about anything. No productive conversation or response is made. Nothing changes. Fuck 4chan
>>45180965>unsustainable in the long runig i'l find out.i've been sustaining it for 10 years and a half, so far. dick still works.
>>45181122What’s your regimen? Injectable monotherapy with topical T?
I've thought about this a lot but I think the male brain was just not designed to see this many attractive women. Maybe he might find a couple in his village that he was attracted to and they were just average, but men's attraction to women is still so strong that he would move heaven and earth to marry her and this is how male sexuality is supposed to work. But the exposure of globalized hyperfemininity to the male mind has the capability to unlock a latent form of pseudo-dysphoria.
>>45181387Does the reverse also apply
>>45161970I just don't want to look cringe and ugly while being fem, if you have a problem with how society/my parents programmed me, build a time machine and take it up with them, I'm making what little I've got, work for me.
