I am a cis guy whose testosterone tanked because of taking anti-psychotics for slightly over a year. My test levels are 2.2 ng/mL. It destroyed my motivation, thinking, gain weight, lose the little muscle mass I had and the second order effects were sky high cholesterol and triglyceride levels and other shit. I can't imagine what fucking up your hormones to the levels trans women do. How do you not feel miserable 24/7? (in addition to your mental struggles)
>>45161572>How the fuck do mtfs survive the trauma of tanking their testosteroneidk, 50% of people live their lives with low testosterone, it is possible ig
>>45161572You are retarded. No sex hormones at all is widely different from having any. We could put you on estrogen and you would feel better. Not much better since you're a disgusting moid and would quickly get dysphoria but still.
>>45161643>50% of people live their lives with low testosteroneNot this low. Like 350 to 440 maybe.
>>45161572I fixed the weight gain by becoming poor and had none of the other effects you mentioned, in fact I started drawing more while on e
>>45161689>No sex hormones at all is widely different from having any. We could put you on estrogen and you would feel better.I sincerely doubt destroying your body after eliminating test feels good.
>>45161719I am poor too. Not like I ate steak and eggs everyday.
>>45161728yeah but you have to go a tier below that you know? sweet breads and stuff is way cheaper than healthy food, pricewise it goesexpensive healthy food > slop > ground beef and rice
>>45161720Explain what you think hormone replacement therapy means?And take a wild guess why having low testosterone levels fucks you up and why trans women don't experience what you are experiencing.
>>45161720Your body is supposed to have a dominant sex hormones. It only produces one in large scale but it can work with either one. It is NOT supposed to have none.Also really, kys
>>45161762I suppose the recorded loss of bone density and strength doesn't count? Isn't that what you say when you argue for trannies in women's sports?>>45161768>It only produces one in large scale but it can work with either oneEstrogen doesn't have the same benefits for biological males as testosterone does.
>>45161572I’ll answer for the mtfs, I’ve had to spend multiple periods totally hormone deprived due to flaky insurances and a bilateral gonadectomy, and I think its just dysphoria. Your body isn’t accustomed to running without testosterone because you are a man. If you weren’t a man, like me, you’d experience clarity of thought, reduced but not eliminated libido, more stable mood when hormone deprived but you’re just hardwired to need it, just like I’m hardwired to find it annoying and overbearing. I assume its similar with mtfs but they aren’t depriving themselves or living on tamox probably.
>>45161909>>45161909Huh, that makes sense.
>>45161572>>45161720>I'm completely uneducated on endocrinology but my vibes are certain on the matterLiterally all discussions on this shithole.
>>45161802trans women are not biological males this thinking is the wrong result the right wing media
>>45161984lmfaocrackhead take
>>45161909It's because you're not biologically male sure you have some male parts, but you're not fully male
>>45161995I mean it is true, maleness is a social and not a biological category. There isn’t really a natural reality to it, male is simply whatever we call male, nature doesn’t care about our definitions so often the two are at odds. Only a pseudoscientific buffoon would fail to concede this limitation of scientific thought.
idk different strokes for different folks. i get the impression based on your other comments ITT that you consider us not exactly women, but i invite you to consider that there might be a fundamental difference between you and a transsexual woman. to me, testosterone gives me brain fog and depression and makes my mood really unstable, its like trying to live life when mildly unwell with something that never goes away. it feels like i have some sort of problem with my brain. my body also did not respond much to T. supressing it and taking E was like being given a meal after a lifetime of starving for whatever reason, it was like i finally had something that my body previously lacked. and i only had proper secondary sex characteristic development once i had female hormonal ranges. idc if you consider me a male like its whatever but i would imagine that how my body responds to hormones is essentially different to you. i seem to need female hormonal ranges to function both mentally and biologically.
>>45161958>tranny lecturing others on endocrinology.Let's be honest. You've been fed a lot of lies by the scientific community. What you consider knowledge may as well be fanfiction.
>>45162015No, being a man is not biological its social. Being male is biological, yet transgender women are not male in the same way cis males are male
>>45162008Its funny I hear this one a lot, some people say that maleness is a social reality imprinted since birth that can’t be fully scrubbed away (which I think my being used as a fleshlight by adults calls into question), other will claim that without the correct parts I will never be male, though this crowd never admits me into femaleness either. I’d prefer the latter but who knows.
>>45162017Huh, interesting. Different folks Different strokes I guess. Not all anti-trans posts in this thread are me. I am just coming to this thread quite a while after posting it.
>>45162017They are basing biological male only on reproductive organs, not on Endocrinology or brai chemistry which is why you feel different on E than a normal male would feel
>>45162039Maleness is an artificial signifier we give some beings for having particular traits, but nature only works in the traits themselves. You can say sperm are biological, or chromosomes are biological, but our categories of sex are imperfect and invented by a human.
>>45162047I believe a trans people are basically intersex, yet the biology remains hidden because we haven't exactly figured out why trans women feel so much better with estrogen.
>>45162062It's not maleness, it's our cultural definition of being a man which is artificial and socially constructed. We would be so much better off with science could prove that are bodies are different than cis bodies.
>>45162050it was not even like i knew this before either. like i did eventually come to recognise myself as trans but i didn't seek HRT because i imagined it would help me in this way. prior to transition i didn't exactly consider myself a woman, i considered myself some sort of very feminine man and found myself driven to try to look female. when i found other trans women i recognised myself in them and learned it was possible to use HRT to alter my secondary sex characteristics which is why i transitioned. and when i took HRT, and it gave me that feeling of being mentally 'better', i was then able to look back and and see how i had previously lived all my (post puberty) life in a sort of dissociative and uncomfortable blur.i don't think all trannies are like this but that was my experience at least
>>45162075>>45162086Okay no, look. If you’re gonna be on team intersex, you have to read theory. The theory is SEX ABOLITION. The mere presence of a categorizing system of human anatomy leads to human rights abuses that we all experience, worse medical care, hysteria, etc. You are caught on this idea that SEX is the thing itself, rather than a crude description of the thing itself. We don’t need to reduce infinite human variation into two categories, except to maximize reproduction for cisheteroanglopatriarchy reasons, which will benefit NOBODY who isn’t a rich white guy with genghis khan bucks.
>>45162015Where in the holy copenhagen did you hear that "male" does not describe gamete production at some point in a mammal's life?Who is bastardizing basic language to pretend sex change is possible?
>>45162121I have lived with being intersex all my life
>>45162121There are only two sexes.
>>45162131Transgender has never been about sex that's why the name changed because it was incorrect the first time to call it transsexual.They called transsexual because it fit the same sexual ending as homosexual and bisexual. We know now that transgender is about gender, not about sex. So no, we don't change our sex. We don't really change our gender we become fully our gender, which present at birth, which is in our heads down in our genitals
>>45162131Okay dingus so what about the mammals like me that fail to produce either gamete, or for that matter make both? Even if we accept this, you are sexing gametes and tissues, not mammals, which arguably are not wholly sexed beings. >>45162136If you’re a tranny coping with your dysphoria by being called intersex we don’t want you using our trademarks without reading up first, thats the official policy. You think you’re entitled to it but you make our lives harder when you start talking dumb. Quit that shit. >>45162138Yes, and they were invented in the 40s
>>45162131i am not that anon. i understand that you would describe a sex change as being going from someone who produces large gametes to small gametes or visa versa (or some other similar idea revolving around reproductive capacity or the potential thereof). and i would agree with you that this is of course not possible.that said i think that most of the ways sex impacts peoples lives in the day to day is not about reproductive capacity but rather social and about perception. for every 1 time where the relevance of sex relates to your reproductive capacity, it will relate 1000 times to how people perceive your reproductive capacity. as in, in most instances being imagined to be female would effect you more frequently than being female by your definition. i think when someone describes a sex change they are describing this process - going from being seen as someone who produces large gametes to being seen as someone who produces small gametes or visa versa.i suppose my question to you is what would you call this if you would not call it a sex change? describing someone who appears as female as male doesn't really allow you to explain much about that person as it would imply they live the same life as someone who is perceived of as a very masculine man, for example.
>>45162138Sure Donald Trump and a lot of other schools to leave it
>>45162188I was born intersex and had to deal with it long before I ever thought about that gender identity. I don't have to read any fucking thing because you don't like it!I am diagnosed by expert clinicians in childhood for being intersex.
>>45162228Then all the more so, read the shitting papers!!! You’re so valid for sucking up to doctors btw! I bet if you suck up enough they’ll fix you for good!
>>45162260No, I went through all the shit before you were born
>>45161572>destroyed my motivation, thinking, gain weight, lose the little muscle mass I hadthis is why we rightfully considered women to be basically handicapped humans (amazing and indispensable in some ways, some of the time), but then they started believing their own cope fanfic about being equal n shiet and you see where that got us
