I refuse to believe that there isn’t a way to alter one’s sexual orientation. I want to become attracted to men so I can be “the good kind” of transsexual. how do I remove the disgust I feel towards maleness, masculinity, and men’s bodies and become attracted to men?
>>45141147Either you got it or you don’t
>>45141147just become meta-attracted and you'll soon realize there is only a meta element to it! this is where true faggery begins
>>45141147I had a dream that drag queens told me to let go of pleasure
Just be a proud jeep and fall in love somewhat androgynous pretty looking yet still masculine men like a real woman does instead of overly muscular oiled up gay guys or fat men covered in carpets of hair
>>45141194how would I do that>>45141336male bodies gross me out so much though, and he’d inevitably age as a man. I usually date other MtFs (no cis woman would touch me with a 10 foot pole) but it’s completely different from when I’ve been with men. they’ve always been on estrogen for a while obv and they’re always soft with minimal body hair and they usually have such beautiful faces and it feels so nice to be held by them and I feel like I can actually connect with them on a personal level. the guys that I date, even if they’re fairly andro, inevitably feel like talking to a brick wall or an alien species. when they touch me it feels coarse and harsh and their bodies are always all gnarled and weird looking with their clothes off. I don’t know. I hate being a transbian. I hate the stigma and I hate how hard it is to date, even in a big city. I want to be “the good kind” and maybe if I work at it I can alter my brain to like men.
>>45143828im a straight tranny and life is wayyyyy harder for me i wish i was a transbian just for the ability to find a truly loving partner. probably the main issue is im a hon desu, men are just more lookist
>>45143910if I was straight I would’ve been allowed to start blockers at 13. I saw the fucking gender specialist and that was the SPECIFIC reason they denied me the blockers. I repped for fucking years, tried to kms multiple times and became a junkie before finally starting at 22 after my body got fully ass raped by testosterone. every single person in my dating pool is insane. my last ex tried to kill my fucking cat. people find out I’m not into men and their perspective of me immediately shifts and so I have to hide all my relationships from people in my life outside my immediate social circle. I’ve seen people flip on a fucking dime just because I mention having a girlfriend specifically in a relationship. it doesn’t stop me from getting harassed by men on the street or molested by my boss at work. I fucking hate straight trannies and their victim complexes.
>>45144270i was denied blockers by my parents and started at 21. lol we’re twinning kind of :(
>>45141147It's possible and it happened to me. But you need hormones. If you're the "gynephilic but disgusted by your own gynephilia" type of repper, then you will turn into a spiritually pure androphillic tranny like i did. Your innate neurology is already in the right place, your endoctrine system just has to catch up.
>>45144300I’ve been on HRT for 5 years
>>45144343What about prog? For me e was enough but for some people prog works
>>45144300So if I already have a very strong urge to get mounted and bred, and I actually do think some male body features are hot already, but I just don’t feel “attracted” to men in some ineffable way that’s hard to define, like some emotional warmth is missing or I’m just not into the “whole package” of a man: then hormones could help me go all the way?
>>45144366was on prog for about 2 years and it did nothing
>>45144392Yes definitely. Before e i was GAMP for years and wanted to be fucked but didnt like men. After e though even thinking about having sex with a woman (cis or trans) is repulsive.
>>45141147It is possible. But your mindset just isn't there yet.You're way too angry.>feel like talking to a brick wall or an alien speciesYou do have a decent starting point though.Men are not an alien species. But they are men and we (and you and me) are not. Internalizing the difference is the first step towards finding it hot.>>45141194 is correct that the path does go through meta-attraction.You're already halfway there as well. You're already dating trannies and find them hot. So at some level you're already okay with male bodies. But you're stuck at the in-between stage.I don't want to shill MEF to you, but it's the most effective path no matter how hard people on this board insist it isn't.Feel free to find it cringe, but if you set the goal to be androphilic and submissive and actually seriously work towards it, you'll get there within a year.Use sex (and specifically sexual arousal) to hack your brain towards it.I went from straight guy to androphilic bottom femboy to srsoid tranny in like 5 years. Could've gone even faster if I had the $$ lol.Strictly the sexuality hack takes just under a year. Even less if you have a man you trust to be a FWB and help.
>>45144392NTA but E and prog. And practice.You can't live in your head. You gotta practice.First time I bent over for a guy was weird and a bit scary. Second time as well. Then it gradually became hot and slowly went the way >>45144411 aptly describes: even thinking about having sex with a woman (cis or trans) is repulsive.
>>45144420not to be a moralfag but "androphilic and submissive" =/= MEFthe first is normal heterosexual female sexuality, the second is a fetish
>>45144453>the first is normal heterosexual female sexuality, the second is a fetishin practice the difference between the two is sex at birth.if I were born female, my sexuality would be 99% what it is now after (re)constructing it. but I wasn't born female. i'm just a failed male.
>>45141147just passpasses = HSTSdoesn't pass = AGP
>>45144420Do you have a guide written somewhere?
>>45144467The way I understand it MEF is a fetish where you find femininity degrading and humiliating and want to be gradually feminized because of it. For me it's more like I want to be feminine and I want a masculine man to sexually dominate me. I don't find the gradual process of feminization that comes with hrt sexually arousing it's just a means to an end. I don't think you'd like to masculinize yourself just so you can be re-feminized if you were a cis woman.
>>45144547Yeah I don’t find femininity to be degrading at all. I find it to be very validating and empowering. I mean, who wouldn’t want to be able to attract and control men using only your body kek
>>45144537Sexuality hacking to be a faggot only works if youre a faggot because hacking yourself to be faggoted is something only a faggot could imagine
>>45144547I don’t find femininity degrading tho. if anything I find it superior to masculinity and maleness, which disgusts me. however, I’m fucking sick of the stigma around transbianism and I’m sick of trying to date as a transbian
>>45145391The stigma only exists if you're clockyIf you had all the hormone treatments and conciously manifested wanting to be straight and you're still 100% gynephillic then you probably hit the trutranny + tru lesbian "jackpot"At that point just pass and don't be sneedy and find yourself a nice girlfriend would be my advice
>>45144537no, but i really really should write one before i start forgetting most of the earlier steps.>>45144547>a fetish where you find femininity degrading and humiliating and want to be gradually feminized because of itThat's the initial impetus, yes. But it quickly evolves into appreciation for feminization. Or at least it did to me.>For me it's more like I want to be feminine and I want a masculine man to sexually dominate meAbout two years in I was in this spot.>don't think you'd like to masculinize yourself just so you can be re-feminized if you were a cis womanyeah, probably not, lol.>>45145391>if anything I find it superior to masculinity and maleness, which disgusts meyou're almost there.femininity is superiour to masculinity and maleness in you, but hot, or at least not disgusting or normal in real men (not you).
>>45141147This brainworm is funny and horrifying to me. Its like a bizarro inversion of the ex-gay/conversion therapy shit that was already tried and failed.
>>45147257androphilia is a one-way street.you can't "cure" androphilia. but you can induce it.that's why "ex gay" doesn't work but becoming attracted to men does work.
>>45147342>I want men to rape lesbiansNice homophobia weirdo
>>45147342ehhhh not sure if I agree it can be induced in everyone, but it can definitely be brought out in people that are fully, fully repressing it. I think that just happens to happen to trans folk more then cis folk because our brains developed wrong o algo idrk.
>>45147629>it can be induced in everyoneNot in everyone for sure. But in most people.
>>45144300> "gynephilic but disgusted by your own gynephilia" type of repperme I feel, I've always had a strong dislike for my attraction to women, but still had the attraction. It's part of the reason I think gender identity and sexuality are partially separate, otherwise why would I be so repulsed by my body/brain's sexuality when *I* did not want it? Odd stuff
>>45147342ok then how do you induce it. I’m real life short bus type autistic so explain in detail.
>>45148104>so explain in detailI really should finish writing that guide, shouldn't I?i certainly can't explain in detail in a 4chan post (it's a looooot of pages).but you could drop an e-mail address and when i'm done with the guide, i could send it to you in case you won't be visiting the board when i post it.the kind of detail you require simply doesn't fit in a 4chan post and it's already a bit late here and I got work tomorrow. and my man already called me to bed.
>>45148153[email protected]
>>45141147First, you need to come out of the gay boy. All hsts start out as gay men most of them usually love drag shows and RuPaul. Start having more gay men friends
>>45144300>gynephilic but disgusted by your own gynephiliaThat describes me so well that it sounds like something I would have said myself, I haven't started hormones yet, but if I do I hope that they will have the capacity to change sexuality.I'm so disgusted at gynephillia that I have been virtually asexual, better to do nothing than being a straggot moid or a dyke.>>45148153I'm not OP but want that guide too nona.[email protected]
>>45141147shouldn't you just use a pumpkin like a normal person? you can't break its vegetable heart nona.
>>45150729>>45148317not that nona but you two might benefit from reading these two threads:https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/41887627/https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/42799031/
>>45141147>how do I remove the disgust I feel towards maleness, masculinity, and men’s bodies and become attracted to men?you're asking this like those two things are related but i'm not disgusted by men's bodies, men, or masculinity (except on myself of course) and i'm still not attracted to them. some people are just born to be spiritual rapehons. there are some ppl i know who are self-identified transbians who are attracted to men but larp as transbians because they're misandrist, and the only way you could become hsts would be to be one of them already.
>>45152035>Listen to gay/sissy affirmations regularlycomplete nonsense. as for the rest of it, I already don’t masturbate at all and I’m 5 years on HRTI came out as trans and briefly socially transitioned at school (to what minimal extent I was able to) at 12. when I finally got to a gender specialist to talk about blockers I was told I could not be a “true transsexual” due to my having crushes exclusively on girls. I repped for about 9 years and finally started HRT at 22, but I have a massive complex around my orientation and am generally sick of having to live as a transbian. all of this bullshit is made for people who live their lives as bicurious straight guys and want to brain fuck themselves trans but see male attraction as a necessary component. it’s a square peg in a round hole. the situation I’m in does not work with any of this shit.
>>45153176>but see male attraction as a necessary componentand you don't? you seem you do.>the situation I’m in does not work with any of this shithow do you even know without trying?i had my own transbian phase and at least in part the reason I gave "forced/hacked" androphilia a try was similar to yours. as in too many insane people.maybe it won't work on you, but you don't know unless you try. the brain is much more malleable than we dare to believe.>was told I could not be a “true transsexual” due to my having crushes exclusively on girlsI'm deeply sorry that this happened to you. IKTF as I was told I'm a fake tranny and a fetishist by both the 'specialists' and most young(er) trannies. Well, they were right but I still trooned and ended up androphilic.Maybe i was, as you say, a 'bicurious straight guy who wanted to brain fuck himself trans but saw male attraction as a necessary component' but so what, lol.Life's short. It's better to try than to regret not trying.At 24 I was thinking that being a troonsbian is kinda hot. At 34 I was getting married to a man as a post op.
>>45153176> I was told I could not be a “true transsexual”My heart breaks for you, I'm so sorry you were a victim of the gatekeepers. :(
Just accept yourself lolThere's plenty of moidbrained straight trannies and plenty of fembrained transbians and vice versa, anyone who gives you shit for not being exclusively straight is usually overcompensating or just a salty chaser
>make this thread>suddenly getting push notifications for r/StraightTransGirls>don’t even have a reddit account
Not only was I not born a woman, but I was also born as a gynephilic moid.Moid at the outside, moid at the insides, thinking about how this has no solution only makes me to kms even more.
>>45144467MEFperv do you have discord? am curious about some epistemological objections to this claim. like have you actually talked to normie cis women about their androphilia and found it similar to yours? how do you know it would be the same... another thing is that clearly your body is naturally gynephilic and saying that you became naturally androphilic after taking estrogen + progesterone would be analogous to saying that you naturally became a person who dodn't like to eat food after going on ozempic which wouldn't make very much sense at all would it. in response to the arg that you've opened up the pathway in your brain that allows androphilia the objection would be that the gynephilic attraction pathway is much more embedded having been there for 20+ years and that the newer path would merely be an extension of the previous gynephilia, and as such be of an entirely different kind qualitatively. i don't think you can really know that you are androphilic in the same sense a cis woman is. not really sure if it is possible for naturally solely gynephilic troons to ever be capable of love for a male. huge blackpill that's really been bugging me lately.t. another mef tranny
>>45158795>discordno. I never had.>you became naturally androphilicI did not say or claim that.None of what I did is "natural" lol.>gynephilic attraction pathway is much more embedded having been thereWas, for sure. Still is? Idk. I doubt and I also stopped caring quite a while ago.Behaviors drive thoughts and feelings at least as much as the other way around.
