That's right!It's time for Vehicle camos! Can be weird, can be whacky, can be practical and can be boring. All vehicles allowed, land, air and sea!I'll start with a very classic savannah style Metal Box.
How about this?F-16 in Woodland-ish camo.
And let's throw in an oddball.F-15 in ...whatever the fuck camo that is? ...it is cool, though.
"How would a modern ship dazzle look like?"
Obviously AI but a pretty good render for what i asked it to do, namely depict how a Po-2 would look if it was skinned with Fresnel lens sheets.
JAS 39A #39131 painted in Viggen camo for its retirement around 2013/14. 2nd COY / 7th Wing Swedish Air Force. I used to work there.
>>65620023Forgot pic lol
>>65619983why
Last surviving Saint Chamond in the world (and it's working too!)
Schneider tank (also the last one in the world, also running!)
Hardly needs any introductionTook all those pics during my last visit at the Saumur Tank Museum in France
Somua S35 my beloved
>"Yes Pierre, I assure you the big ass nuclear missile needs camo too"Also, fun fact about this bad boy : its range only allowed it to nuke West GermanyOfficially, it was to stop the Soviets before they reached the Rhine if they managed to break throughKey word : Officially
>>65620059Same joke in the UK comedy show 'Yes, Minister' where a guy goes>Do you know why the UK has nukes?>Well because of the Soviets, right?>No, it's because the French have them
>>65620063France rather has a tendency to rage quit alliances. Hell burning looting and killing is part of their parliamentary process.Are they in NATO this week, I haven't checked.
>>65620089>France rather has a tendency to rage quit alliancesAny examples (that aren't revisionist or propagandistic bullshit)?
>>65620030Basically this but an entire airplane, it would make it damn hard to hit with any sort of manual aiming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJvGOI263po
>>65620128NATO. Eurofighter. Have fun with those for now.
>>65620128They didn't enforce the treaty of versailles when the germans marched into the rhineland armed with batons and stern looks on their faces. They were the only force that could have responded in time, and they fucked it. If you can guarantee anything, it's that they have not learned their lesson.
I quite like this one. Possibly influenced by the fact that it represents my skills with the ostwind in war thunder
>>65619963>ship?
>>65619952Dual Tex
>>65620154Those soviet marines and paratroopers have shit graphics cards so this makes a lot of sense
>>65620132that only works in the exact scenario you linkedmaking it into a skin just makes a weird looking and shiny planeoptical clarity isn't the same across the entire piece either, because the moment you look at a different angle, the other angles are shown, so you see the physical grooves that are in the skin though the other skin segmentsyou could go for an extremely blocky and flat plane (to reduce the number of curves and angles), but it would only serve as an interesting novelty that goes see-though only from a specific angle you're unironically better off just making it a mirror chrome finish
>>65620128Even older there's the whole disastrous Russian campaign in 1812 where France (mainly Napoleon) declared war against Russia (their former allies) because they gave up on blockading the Brits and complained about France taking land too close to them.From allies to at war in two years.
>>65619955Sexo
>>65620564No, you want the curves. The grooves are tiny, the effect warps with them which i know because i have one of those Fresnel sheets. I'd take a picture but it is currently on loan. There are two types of those sheets, one that is just straight lines and another that is a series of disks, the guys in most of those demonstrations are using the line type. The disk type doesn't work as well but it works at much more acute angles. The idea isn't to make it invisible, just that it is always color matched with the background as well as having significantly reduced contrast in terms of light levels. I suspect it might cause older electro optical guidance systems to glitch a bit.The real issue is that it only really works when the majority of the interior is empty, hence you would need a biplane or wing drone. You can get glare from some angles, your ideal conditions would be a cloudy day. It would be a bit niche but attack drones that get hit by human aimed ground fire might be a application. It would be amazing for a night time airshow, a few interior lights and the whole thing would glow like a light bulb.
>>65620564It's buffed aluminum alloy, not chrome.
>>65622740Neither would achieve the desired effect of diffusing light to match it to the background and obscure the outline. It would be especially bad at confusing an electro optical sensor, i suspect shiny metal skin would enhance them instead of hindering them. >PondersThose sheets are usually 'corrugated' on one side and smooth on the other which affects how they reflect light at sharp angles not to mention interact with each other, i will have to dig a couple out and experiment but i think you would want the smooth side 'in' on the bottom of the plane and 'rough' side on the top. Query: Since having the 'rough' side on top would create an increase in the surface area of the airfoil's lift surface would it increase the wing's lifting capacity by a noticeable amount?The thing to do would be to buy a few sheets of them, a cheap RC biplane and try it out isn't it?
>>65622740chrome: the color
>>65622784I believe Chrome is not technically a color.Fun fact: The reason for those polished skins was that besides cost cutting omitting it can reduce the weight of an aircraft significantly, in some cases saving over a ton of weight.
>>65620564>>65622784Hell, while we are on the subject: Why not return to shiny aircraft if they have metal skins? The only sensors that care about color might be actually be degraded by reflective skin and there are significant cost and maininence advantages.
>>65619952>camo can be weird or goofyFinally, Winter's coming and it's my time to shine!
>>65622825That is actually a really good idea. Apply them with a paint roller and wood glue, they are easy enough to clean off if you want to. As the conditions change you can quickly change the camo scheme with a spray bottle filled with water and fabric dye or cover up a previously dyed portion with more paper.
>>65622847Or apply irregularly shaped add ons in what the normal background colors are when the snow starts melting.
Were even the unpainted airframes treated with some kind of protective surface coating?
>>65622819the more you speak, the more it is obvious you don't actually understand anything past the surface level of conceptsplease try coming up with more wacky ideas, you have a child-like imagination thats perfect for game development and writing
>>65622871If it was put on with wood glue it would be really easy to change. The entire inside of my house is painted whorehouse red, i did it with $10, a 5 gallon pail of warm water, a hand held spray bottle and a single packet of fabric dye. Koolaid works just as well, use the diet kind to avoid flies while it dries. You would just use the water/wood glue and a paint roller to apply the news papers then any time you wanted to change the camo scheme you either spray it with dye or cover a previously dyed portion with more news papers. Easy to clean off as well, just soak it with warm water for a hour then pressure wash it off. >>65622883First off thank you that was my intent, to throw out silly ideas that might not be so silly. Second off why wouldn't a return to shiny be a good idea? Don't criticize without input, explain why you don't agree with an idea. >game development and writingBack in the day i did a bit of that, including a regrettably lost novel outline (about 300+ pages) based off a forum wargame where i played the DPRK in space as part of a United Earth force set @2350. It had some cool shit in my opinion especially relating to eugenics and cloning. Three words: 'Council of Kims'
>>65622880A cursory investigation tells me the US just used the already shiny base aluminum and kept it clean. The rolled metal was already so smooth that polishing wasn't really needed besides checking around joins and rivets for oxidation.
>>65619952did stuff like razzle dazzle actually work in WW2?very few anecdotes from the german side ever mention it at all, so either they didnt think razzle dazzle was worth mentioning for whatever reason or it worked so well they never saw them
>>65622909>why wouldn't a return to shiny be a good idea?making it shiny makes it RF & IR positive, especially to the modern hyper-sensitive sets we usethe sensors that use color aren't the same as our eyes either, they see multiple wavelengths that aren't going to just be hanging around ambiently theres good reason we stopped after the 60's
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>>65622943Do modern metal skinned Western aircraft use RF and IR absorptive paint? From my military experience i am familiar with CARC, at the time (like nearly 30 years ago) i thought all US military vehicles were painted with it both metal and synthetic fiber.My knowledge may be outdated but i know IR and RF absorption/attenuation are possible for paint but combining all that with CARC sounds like really expensive paint. What do we have now, something that is CARC with graphite micro fibers and some form of Vanta Black that only works in IR? Side note; nature uses shiny sometimes. Ravens and big owls are notorious enemies, big owls eat them and their chicks at night (they often use the same nesting areas and lay eggs at the same time) but ravens will sometimes mob them if they catch them in daylight, ravens feathers (as far as we can tell) look silver to many birds in sunny conditions so the ravens will swarm them by dropping out of the sun on them if they get a chance. A couple winters back a pair of ravens set up a nest near my house, i have a Great Horned owl family that lives up on my ridge which is why my chickens have a maximum 6 month life span if i don't lock them up at night.Over a hour one February night i heard one of them killing the shit out of those ravens, i could hear them fighting but it was a Great Horned Owl, even Eagles avoid that. Eventually it dragged the last one onto the ground and tore it apart. I found it the next day and it looked like what every other bird killed by a big owl looks like; like as if someone had showed a M-80 fire cracker up a birds ass. No bones besides some minor wing chunks with the flight feathers and some down but nothing else besides a lot of disturbed snow. So ravens evolved camouflaged feathers optimized to opportunistically mob big birds. Also most Murders are associated with a Coyote pack that they act as spotters for since the Coyotes let them feed on scraps and scare off vultures and eagles.
>>65623027>Do modern metal skinned Western aircraft use RF and IR absorptive paint?they do, even the clothes your given have an IR coating (take a wild guess whats really fucking bad for your health in 20 years)its not a full "everything is range neutral" type deal, some things use specific paints while others don't, but even having paint is better than -not- having painti know plenty about biological camouflage too (i worked on designed camos based off of box turtles), things like jewel beetles being harder to see & all that, but animals aren't the size of planes
>>65622909>Second off why wouldn't a return to shiny be a good idea?Shiny is specifically bad because it glints, which lets an adversary get a bearing on you from a tremendously longer distance away than would be possible under any other circumstances. When an optical/IRST has a track it's good at keeping it, but it struggles to get that to begin with. Stealth aircraft have a similar but different set of problems with glints. Optimising away glints is a topic that you see mentioned in the area of signature management quite a bit.
>>65623067>Stealth aircraft have a similar but different set of problems with glints.*with radar glints.
>>65620154i knew that looked familiar
>>65619952I like US/NATO tricolor.
>>65623061>the clothes your given have an IR coatingThey really weren't bullshitting about the electro static dissipative ripstop fibers in my BDUs helping with ground radar and IR concealment? And the static shock thing i guess. >i know plenty about biological camouflage too (i worked on designed camos based off of box turtles), things like jewel beetles being harder to see & all that, but animals aren't the size of planesBased and biology pilled. My initial Fresnel optical camouflage idea was predicated on biplanes and low flying Dorito drones, i know that turning biplanes and Shaheds into a discount version of Wonder Woman's invisible jet is not practical for anything other than mk 1 eyeballs and maybe early electro optical systems. I just wanted to chat about the idea.Also if it works and if you had a time machine you would have the most awesome Fokker DR-1/M ever. >>65623067>>65623069Two connected issues here. Optically for a low flying primitive aircraft i don't think it is a bad idea. In terms of radar 'glints' are a real issue for high altitude aircraft in multi spectrum operations. I'm mostly thinking in PO-2 or attack drones terms. Are we using 'glint' as a reference to reflections in any spectrum? There are two things we are talking about which are highly different in practice although i suppose you could combine them.>Airship with a multi spectrum plastic Fresnel skin, clear fiberglass cables and Lexan support strutsI'm mostly just throwing out ideas here probably based on outdated concepts but if i throw enough ideas out there something might work in the modern era. >Fokker DR-1 with a modern engine and a pilot/engine oxygen bottle that blends into the clouds like a discount Predator. >Probably should keep the pilot/engine reserve bottles separate since the engines would want nitrous>Nope, it works off of whippets and a utter disregard for human safety>Fly high enough in a DR-1 that you see the curvature of the horizon
>>65622825>NEGATIVE, I CANNOT GET A GOOD READ ON HIS LOCATION
Digital camo in the 1920s.
