It's never been more over. The west fucking lost. DJI is pumping out drones with double the performance of the best western weapons at a quarter the prices and they're doing it as generic consumer products.
>>65618312It's just good solid engineering
>>65618315>press X to mark all gwailos in sight for artillery
Before anyone says something, you can have a fiber optic drone travel 50 miles and drive a shaped charge inside theg engine of a tank thats inside a shed while reporting intelligence.
>>65618312buy an ad
>>65618500An ad for what, poorfag? Western drones cost way more and do much less. No amount of ads is getting anyone (who isn't a boomer forced to do it by military contracting rules) to buy Western. See Ukraine. After years of war, they still prefer Mavics over Skydio, Anduril, Neros, Aerovironment...We have two choices:-try to catch up (and cry a lot)-build lots of CUAS and copeThe physics are against option 2 tho.
>>65618312DJI doesn't make FPVs retard, as always buy a fucking drone and start learning before posting about them.Mavics are pretty good for recon but hobbyists build better drones all the time because weight matters a lot and they are full of sensors to make them harder to crash that any professional pilot doesn't need. The main reason they dominate commercial usage is the software, they offer everything from automated LIDAR mapping to DJI Terra & automatic flight planning for crop dusting.
>>65618518Mhmmm, sure anon. Show us your 1280p thermals.
>>65618523Look up the best IR sensor you can find, that is the best a hobbyist can use.BUILD A FUCKING DRONE.
>>65618539>he couldn'tTip: it costs less to buy an entire Mavic (and you'll get it faster) than trying to buy a single equivalent thermal in the west, and that's before factoring export regs.
>>65618513HDZero is already beating out DJI in the racing community because it has similar image quality with lower latency, and the parent company is already producing an encrypted version for military use.
>>65618549Here you go anon, same res but 100hz instead of 60hz.https://www.infraredcore.com/quality-14218150-1280x1024-12-m-100hz-cooled-infrared-detector-for-clear-thermal-imaging-and-mwir-cooled-ir-detector-
>>65618549>>65618570Here is a US made one with 120hz.https://oem.flir.com/products/neutrino-ground-isr-series/?model=425-0056-00
The moment this thread got posted everyone could see where it was going to go.
>>65618570>Wuhan, Hubei Province, ChinaYou're not even trying, anon. >>65618578>• Dimensions: 57.91 cm (22.8 in)• Lens Diameter: 29 cm (11.4 in)• Weight: 14.51 kg (32 lb.)WTF is this, cold war soviet russia? Jumbo bulky crap 10x the weight of the entire drone its trying to mimic being sold as 'just as good' at thrice the price of modern tech? Tell me america hasn't fallen behind that much.
>>65618589>WTF is this, cold war soviet russia?It's the 120-1200 mm optical zoom lens, you aren't counting on low res digital zoom for recon are you?
>>65618591>increasingly non-self-aware dumb copesUkrainians usually are. Mavics at ~1200m is the standard. Octopus gimbals too (tip: they're .5-2kg range since you don't know anything about optics).You know what fucking nobody uses? THIRTY TWO POUND CAMERAS.
>>65618582Yeah lots of masturbatory circlejerk and face games. Typical for the culture.
>>65618596>~1200m is the standardMM as in millimetres of zoom retard not meters of detection range.The stated detection range is 31km or 31,000m.>Detection - 31 km>Recognition - 20 km>Identification - 16 km>The detection, recognition, and identification (DRI) probabilities are modeled using the industry-standard NV-IPM passive sensor modeling tool. The NV-IPM model results are for the NFOV zoom position with a target dimension of 3.1 m and temperature of 4.0K. V50 is the range at which there is a 50% probability of achieving the task.
>>65618352
what happens to drones when point defense lasers are fielded? inb4 some pedantic fuck says lasers are sci fi when talking about ai controlled suicide bomb drones.
>>65618596I actually own a cheapo Chineseium FLIR camera and had the chance of playing with a FLIR E8 before. There are stark differences with the reported on paper specs and it heavily favors the E8. I don't mind owning the cheapo Chineseium FLIR camera I have, it does a lot of useful utility related things but if I owned the E8 I would be much happier with the performance.But you shills and retarded ultranationalists wouldn't understand and this is your own downfall.
>>65618605tl;dr for ESLs using LLMs to translate:>Wenzhao 22V MegaDrill Gweilokilldrill 9000W >Default Yellow shitass 18V drill>Former will claim it can drill the Earth itself through diamond>Goes up in smoke on the 8th use, weaker than the Milfuckee 12V drill
>>65618605I'm the guy shilling the clap camera and I love cheap chink shit because I'm not worried about crashing it, I just love when they make retarded claims like "miles ahead" and I can post something with 25 times the detection range. and double the refresh rate.
>>65618315Those jumpers look like dog shit.
>>65618609It reminds me of how Russians "claim" performance specs on their thermals then you see the actual imagery from them.>muh war thunder russian tanks get 3rd gen thermals wect 1st gen btfoThen they get creamed by something that's a half century older than them all while somehow using a French optical core. How they fuck up the installation is beyond me but here we are.
>>65618613Closer to WW2 than today:>Wow Rob these thermal sights sure are something>If I fiddle with the contrast dial I can't tell shit from snot but hoo boy can I see those little dots in the field>What do you mean that's a fuckikng squirrel that's 5 kliks away?Meanwhile 2022:
>>65618604Lasers run into the same problem as jammers, which is that the ones that work are too big, too expensive, and too specialized to use in most places.
>>65618604Today the only time infantry can move freely is when it's too windy for drones.Assuming a magical power supply makes platoon level lasers viable then drones will only be able to attack freely when it's raining / foggy and they will be going for the lasers first.
>>65618312Why is China always trying to shill something different every five seconds? Today its these, yesterday it was bipedal giant mechs which could barely knock over a thin stack of bricks, the day before that it was robodogs, the day before that it was hypersonic missiles. Do they even have a coherent military doctrine or is it just spamming whatever they think is good without understanding what makes something good..
>>65618312You listened to NPR today.
>>65618553Are they winning on cost with similair performance? An FPV lmonly has to be good enough, since it is a suicide mission.Math changes for observation drones but they should still be assumed to be expendable.
>>65618631It's the same old story, a major well know company does something other companies have been doing for years and retards think it's cutting edge because X corp is doing it. Don't get me wrong the new DJI is cool but in the ~$15k price range there are plenty of other options but because DJI is famous for $500 drones retards assume the $15k drone must be $500. They have no idea DJI makes $30k drones.
>>65618642OP's pic related is <$10k for the premium package.
>>65618627>Assuming a magical power supply makes platoon level lasers viablesuch as one in a vehicle? pretty much every modern army's infantry is mechanize. stop acting like the ukraine war isn't between two second-world countries.
>>65618312>double the performance of the best western weapons at a quarter the prices and they're doing it as generic consumer products.No, but they are making comparable products at half or a third of the price of Western offerings.
>>65618636They cost about the same. They're winning on latency, as I already said.
>>65618650I'm an industrial electrician that works with generators all the time, this is a 30kva generator with a big enough fuel tank for ~24 hours which is about what you'll need for a small hard kill laser.It's not huge but it's also not as simple as using the vehicles electrics.
>>65618656So your claim is America makes a better product for the same price?I genuinely want to believe that, but I don't.
>>65618663NTA, HDZero is based in the US but manufactured in China.
>>65618661Time for nuclear powered AA.
>>65618661I wonder how feasible it'd be to empty out the back of a brad or M113 and squeeze it in there. Seems like the best way to bring that much power into a hotzone while still giving it a degree of protection
>>65618312We removed two entire cities in a few seconds back in 1945 and you're trying to tell me we lose to toys in 2026.You fucking niggers are exhausting.
>>65618672At 10MW it becomes an anti-tank platform too, I'm sold.
>>65618680Imagine the turret tosses possible from slicing right through the ring and igniting all the ammo.
>>65618670Figures. NPR (re)ran this story today.https://www.npr.org/2026/10/12/nx-s1-5888604/police-chinese-drones-bans-costs
>>65618675non-americans got blueballed by the iran war because we never put troops on the ground except for the pilot rescue. they really were banking on footage of zogbots getting blown up.now all they can do is pretend drones beat everything.
>>65618707It would be like something out of battletech.>>65618711Yeah, it was a stupid knee jerk reaction with no long term plan.I'm all for building domestic capability but just banning imports has never worked, you need to start domestic production before cutting off imports.>>65618675Not the worst idea, a brad without the turret could probably house the generator and the laser.>>65618718While dronefags claim they make everything obsolete that doesn't mean they haven't had a huge impact on warfare.Think of them as $1000 PGMs with ~20km range that can be carrier like AT and you start to see that is a game changer.
>>65618730I think if anything, drones have rendered traditional ATGMs obsolete due to their range and cost. Of course ATGMs have a massive edge in speed, both in terms of deployment and in ToT, but in general I can't think of many problems I'd want a javelin over an FPV with a bomb taped to it. Maybe if laser-based drone defenses become a thing then ATGMs might have a place again since they fly too fast for a laser to blind them, much less fry them out of the sky
I'm tired of chinkshills
>>65618763I get what you are saying but I think ATGMs will hang around for awhile just because their huge warhead means you don't have to worry about the tank coming at you still coming after a hit.I think for the most part they will just be a new weapon that is fielded by everyone, if anything I could see drones replacing mortars because you can get a similar payload and range while drastically increasing accuracy and allowing them to be launched from under top cover.
>>65618631Face culture is basically the "civilized" version of izzat, hood culture and other bullshit. DJI be drippin' dabbing on the crackers and all. We wuz ̶k̶a̶n̶g̶z̶ emperors n shieeet when whitey wuz in straw huts.
>>65618513>weJohn American here from Texas province and so on and so forth.
The chinese spammers are ornery tonight.
>>65618646And it's also a civilian drone that is not suited for the EW environment of a modern battlefield, even for purely surveillance purposes. Not to mention the lack of lift power. There's a reason Ukraine doesn't use off-the-shelf drones any more, even for recon
>>65618312Post your drone with the explosive payload anon, with a time stamped photo.
>>65619097AI bubble popped over in chinkland wiping out billions.
>>65618913>hood culturecan you even elaborate on this without sounding like an out of touch comedian from the 2000s?
implessive!
>>65619911>can you even elaborate on this without sounding like an out of touch comedian from the 2000s?I'm imagining Andrew Dice-Clay but I think anon just meant "fronting" which itself is just a black equivalent of Latin or Mediterranean machismo.
>>65619904>saar please to be posting evidence of the illegal activity saar
>>65622241I can't believe this timeline exists in the intersection of saarposting and fedposting.
>>65618599>20 mile detection, 10 mile ID, 32#This is something you run in a Predator or Firescout, not a Mavic.
>>65618513US is producing a variety of cheap economics of scale drones like this propeller oneThe Anduril ALTIUS-600 drone >Atlanta, Georgia: The main production facility for the ALTIUS-600 system.>Columbus, Ohio: An expanding 500-acre central Ohio campus where production is being added alongside other autonomous systems like the Fury, Roadrunner, and Barracuda.Los Angeles headquartered company, Anduril (est 2017) sells systems to the U.S. Department of Defense which incorporates artificial intelligence and robotics. One of the co-founders is billionaire Trae Stephens, a partner at Peter Thiel's venture capital firm Founders Fund and an early Palantir employee
>>65618312Sweet, an arrogant retard shill thread.
>>65618312With the exception of a slightly worse thermal camera the Skydio X10D is a better drone higher quality cameras and a NVIDIA Jetson Orin GPU.
>>65622487Taiwan's cabinet and parliament have pushed through massive special budget allocations to scale up acquisitions and domestic production of hundreds of thousands of dronesThey are building all their own except one big order from the US for those sweet cheap ALTIUS-600M Drones. So cheap they use Chinese parts >Taiwan's military purchased American-made ALTIUS-600M loitering (suicide) munition drones. A high-profile supply chain issue arose because the delivery arrived without battery chargers—the manufacturer's standard chargers contained Chinese-made components, which violated Taiwan’s strict "non-red" (China-free) supply chain policies
>>65622495>He said, arrogantly shilling.
>>65620121I genuinely suspect you to be a chink shill, trying to stifle any discussion of how America can maintain its edge over the chinks.
