>Trump guts the NFA>SBRs and Cans are stamp free in like 1/3rd of all states>Ruger cancels their pistol caliber bolt action lineAre they retarded? Shouldn't they be trying to sell suppressor ready M77 and M1894 trappers?
>>65618232Beretta is actively trying to ruin Ruger to buy it out. Ruger is trying to stay alive at the expense of everything that made them great.
>>65618232Theyre going to be selling all their lever actions, glock glones, and rilfes with sbrs ready threaded barrels etc. hopefully some group does some threaded revolvers and rifle revolvers
>>65618232>Ruger cancels their pistol caliber bolt action lineWait what? I didn't even know they HAD one, I have wanted a 9mm or 357 bolt gun built by an actual reputable company for years, and I only learn about this when it's gone?What the fuck man.
>>65618283yeah, the 77/22 line. they didn't have 9mm, they had .22lr, .17hmr, .22wm, .357 and .44 mag.I don't see why they couldn't make a 9mm considering they have a 10mm 1894 lever gun now. the biggest concern about a 9mm lever gun is that 9mm rounds are pointier than .357/.44, but there wouldn't be that same concern with a rotery mag like the type they used for the 77/357 and 77/44
>>65618258>threaded revolversFor what purpose?
>>65618369for suppressors, obviously
>>65618376the cylinder gap, retardo
>>65618394nuh uh
>>65618394Just cover it with your fingers idiot
>>65618450kek
>>65618450lel
>>65618232Man, I'd like a wood stocked 77/357>>65618253I've heard people say this, but is it actually true? Is there any source?>>65618394A few years back, I saw someone who made a pair of metal cover plates with rubber gaskets which you'd clamp onto a Ruger SP101 in .22LR, and he had threaded the barrel for a suppressor, and it was pretty fucking quiet.Obviously, reloads aren't so practical that way, but it did work.Oh, seems he actually went in business and is making these now, and refined the design to be more practical. Well, if you wanted the novelty of a quiet revolver, you could try that, it's supposed to be fairly quiet with just .22 Shortshttps://revolverseal.com/shop/revolver-sealMan, he must be fucking stoked that he can sell his stuff without the tax or extra paperwork.
>>65618771>ATF regulates sealing a revolver cylinder gap as a silencer.That is ridiculous, but finally explains why pic related died.
Right, here was his prototype, clunktastic, but again, works:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqXuotr4sckThe ATF eventually ruled them a silencer, but that's not a problem anymore. Seems he only makes them for the Heritage Rough Rider, which is a shame, the Ruger SP101 would have been a good fit for his improved design.
>>65618771The source is “just trust me bro subscribe to my channel”.
>>65618771but why?
>>65618781That's what happened to his accessory, and he might have been able to actually fight that based on the fact that the 1895 Nagant exists in large numbers in the U.S, but I don't know if that's what actually happened to the SIX-12.Man, though, imagine a Ruger SP101 with a 12" barrel, a stock, and that seal cover system, just this quiet and fast 8-shot plinker/varminter. You could actually just make a gun like that now (though the guy has a patent on his doodad, so maybe you'd want to negotiate a product deal with him or something).>>65618786I assume it was either a matter of "Why not?" or "Because it's funny!" optionally that he made a bet.
>>65618299>I don't see why they couldn't make a 9mm considering they have a 10mm 1894 lever gun now. the biggest concern about a 9mm lever gun is that 9mm rounds are pointier thanthe issue with 9mm lever or bolt actions is its significantly cheaper to make a straight blowback sa or fa gun. therefore nobody will pay for it.people will see a 500 dollar 9mm bolt/lever then bitch about it being too expensive since hi point or a bunch of other guns exist.
>>65618805That's horseshit, if they could offer a decent lever-action rifle in 9mm, for fucking $500, that'd sell. Not everyone settles for a Hi-Point.
>>65618807>they could offer a decent lever-action rifle in 9mm, for fucking $500,they cantif they were selling that cheap they would be making cents on the gun
>>65618805good point>>65618807>>65618818taylors and co has one that's like $1,200 and is a piece of shit. like the gun exploded a case and disassembled itself while karl the cuck was shooting it
>>65618792Nagants are legally antiques and not firearms as long as they were made before 1899.
>>65618826Anon, they made SHITLOADS of 1895 revolvers after that date, many of them aren't antiques by that definition.
>>65618807Not enough profit margin. Levers and even revolvers and break actions are more complicated than they may at first seem.
>>65618835I am aware. Apparently the ATF stance is that the cylinder gap seal feature of the Nagant is inherent to the design, while>>65618771is an accessory or attachment, thereby making it a silencer.Which also invalidates>>65618781
>>65618836I don't think most levers have a gear like that
>>65618855Touché.
>>65618818Probably true, but $500 is what anon actually said. Again, half-decent at that price would sell well, even if this is just a hypothetical at this point.>>65618836Sure, but you also don't have to make the same extravagant rotating bolt setup which the Henry Long Ranger there is boasting, they weren't making them that complex in the 1800s, not even the 1895 Winchester went that crunk, and that's the more complex one of its time.>>65618818For the sake of argument, Ruger back in the day sold the old Security Six and Speed Six at a very low profit margin, and always bid very low for police contracts. The idea back then being to build up a reputation and customerbase for the future, establishing to lots of people they could do a solid revolver.You can't just always do such a thing though, and you have to stop at some point even if you do.
>>65618855They really don't, the Henry Long Ranger and Browning Lever Rifle are the only ones I know of which do that.Very cool rifles, very accurate and pretty.>>65618848At least that silencer shit is almost all null and void now.
>>65618869>dog leg toggle lock thing>one piecekek>>65618876I think the long ranger looks ugly
>>65618898take it fucking back D:<
>>65618869>>65618898Fugg, I didn't really look at it closely. It's slop.
>>65618904Straight stock doesn't fit it.
>>65618907The stupid AI bullshit that comes up when I Google for images these days. The ones I really hate are those Facebook "fact sheet" garbage ones, they have all sorts of little nonsense going on all over.
>>65618908Wrong, straight grip stock is old fashioned and based, we need to bring it back into vogue more for sporting arms, they're comfy and good looking. It particularly fits the lines of the Long Ranger.WE MVST RETVRN TO STRAIGHT GRIP STOCKS
>>65618904it's too angular and lacks the under barrel tube mag>>65618908that too
>>65618910There's a million of them too. Either tiny variations or the same flawed image from a dozen sources.
>>65618916I like a good straight stock, but for whatever reason it just doesn't jive well on the BLR.
This isn't related to the conversation, but I found this image of an old Colt M1917 revolver with stag grips, and the bore is in absolutely brilliant and crisp condition. This handgun has been taken very good care of.Just wanted to share because it's so pretty.
>>65618771Buy an ad douchebag
>>65618976The hlr/blr are just ugly gunsEvery box mag lever action not designed by browning has terrible lines
>trumpHe kinda had nothing to do with it
>>65619587>kindaYou can't even lie effectively because you know its not true.
trump didnt do shit lol this was all GOA. please post actual proof trump had a hand in it. the dude NEVER talks about guns.
>>65618394Cylinder gap may make suppressors less efficient, but they still make them quieter than they were before.
>>65619607it would still be loud, at least firecracker loud
>>65619605>>65619587Took all of five seconds on Google. GOA's own fucking statement.
>>65619723the lawsuit already had the atf on the ropes. all trump has done is make it look illegitimate.
>>65619756The ATF has been "on the ropes" many times, and still won thanks to the diversity hires of Brown and Sotomayor, let alone the many times the 9th, 2nd, and 3rd fucked us over. Also, fucking Fencesitter Roberts. Trump literally told the DOJ to not appeal, which they could have done, which would have pushed this issue another five to ten years down the road. This is a win, and it's a win because of Trump's actions. If you can sit there and say with a straight face that this would have happened under Biden, Obama, Harris, or whoever the next DNC nominee is, or god forbid one of the conservatives on the court croaks and a liberal gets appointed but we still get the same ruling, I will eat my sock on livestream.
>>65619790hope you like getting all guns banned retard, this sets the precedence to do that in a couple days. enjoy your "winning" I guess kek
>>65619756>>65619793wrong.
>>65619793I'm bored AF today, I'll take the bait. How, exactly, could this lead to all guns getting banned, without repeal of the 2nd Amendment? Please educate us, Anon.
>>65618232>nfa gutted>can have a suppressed sbr ar with an frt>hurrrrrrrr, I want a .357 bolt actionHoly fucking giga fudd.
>>65619796>>65619799>implying dems won't send death squads to every house in the country>implying you would do anything about ityou fags are too innocent
>>65619807Worst case scenario, the atf is just going to say>lol, I guess you'll just need to fill out this form for a (free) tax stamp to legitimize your sbr Like they did with braces. Even when stamps were still 200 dollars, they offered free stamps to those who had a brace, that's why I had 3 sbrs before they made them 0 dollars.
>>65619807>>>implying dems won't send death squads to every house in the countryNot sure if Uncle Kaczynski-levels of schizo or just trolling...
>>65619530I think you meant to say>Every action not designed by Browning is hideous and sucks.
>>65619617That's how nearly all suppressors sound. The "psht" sound is pretty much exclusive to movies or subsonic .22LR with a huge can.
>>65618232Those sorts of decisions happen on a different time line, it was already a done deal before the injunction and they can't turn on a dime. They can always re release things as integrally suppressed sbrs if they want though.
>>65619587He signed the law, appointed the judges and made the DoJ and ATF decisions, fatso
>>65619756>>65619605>>65619587>>65619793tell me more about how you love open borders, gun confiscation and trannies>>65619790they/them is some kind of yuropoor nogunz who hates the president for putting the US over they/them's third world shithole
>>65619793>hope you like getting all guns banned retard, this sets the precedence to do that in a couple days.explain your logic, fatso>>65619806manual actions are quiet >>65619826the prebrowning winchester toggle locks and the pre 336 marlins look better than the browning winchesters >>65619829if you have a manual action, the gas can't escape via the action and it gets pretty quiet
>>65619822>t.blue helmet>oh don't worry goy we won't destroy your life over a metal tube ;) it's not like we want to genocide every single living creature on earth or anything
>>65620037too poor for suppressor or live in a ban state, call it.
>>65620037>muh UN occupationabout as boomer as thinking china/russia will invade via cargo container.
>>65618785You stupid, illiterate piece of shithttps://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/cases-proceedings/berettarugerhttps://berettaholding.com/ruger-and-beretta-holding-s-a-announce-strategic-cooperation-agreement/Beretta put two corporate raiders on Ruger’s board of directors under their new agreement.
>>65618771>putting two pieces together that have their own distinct functions is a silencer So a silencer can be an act, not just an object. These lizard freaks really walked all over the constitution. They probably consider farting in my computer chair to be a silencer.
>>65620148if you put like a dozen tires in a row it's a silencer
>>65619826Pedersen did some good shit too
than you based Trump
>>65618771Wait a minute, if you SBR this, does that mean it's a 3 stamp gun?>lolATF
>>65619587Pathetic. There are so many other valid reasons to shit on him. Trying to deny his involvement in this win is not necessary.
>>65622223Not anymore, since SBRs and silencers are just Title 1 items now.
>>65622557>his involvementhis involvement is not killing ittrump doesn't give a shit about guns or gun owners.
>>65623607yeah i dont even think he brings up guns at all during his rallies.
>>65619806>t. underage retard
>>65623607>>65623614Samefag or ShareBlue shills, call it. Already BTFO'd you here >>65619790and you're too bitchmade to actually make an argument of substance.
>>65623607>>65623614>trump doesn't give a shit about guns or gun owners.trump got usBruennuked the bumpstock bannedmade it so the gaytf can't unilaterally change rulesundid obongo's rules that banned SSI recipients and vets from buying gunsmade every state shall issuenuked the NJ awb and mag banwill have nuked all AWBs by next year gutted the NFAmeanwhile every presidential canadate for the open borders and trannies party since 2008 (probably even earlier) has stated that the 2nd amendment doesn't refer to an individual right to keep and bear arms and thinks that the government should be allowed to ban private gun ownership
>>65619607>The bigger issue the back pressure from the suppressor increases the pressure at the cylinder gap.
>>65619806Do you have any idea how quiet, light and handy a bolt action PCC is?
>>65624070The high pressure event at the cylinder gap is over by the time the bullet leaves the barrel. The suppressor results in gas that would normally go out the front instead going out the gap but it doesn't raise the pressure of the maximum pressure experienced at the cylinder gap.
