You have 3 carrier groups, bases in Jordan and Israel, and 2 Amphibious ready groups. How do you win the Iran war?
>>65617145I bomb the shit out of israel.
>>65617149Fpbp.
>>65617145Do your own homework, Hagsack
>>65617145What blew up in israel today??
>>65617145Define "win", do I just have to overthrow the government with no long term plan for stability?
>>65617145I mean bombing bridges, powerplants, key infrastructure sites etc. is the winning method. They should have done this days/weeks after the first round of attacks that targeted the military. >Muh war crime!It worked against the serbs didnt it?
>>65617161Iran made it very clear no tanker loading port or refinery in the ME would survive the response to that.
>>65617145by doing the shart of the deal. give the ayazuttahs everything they want, ally with them and start supplying them with big, beautiful weapons so they can conquer the rest of the middle east. Brining finally bigly peace to the region. Israel? what is that. They dont want the bestest king they ever had to rule them, then fuck them>T
>>65617158Op here. Initial war goal: Unconditional surrender by Iran. Installation of Pahlavi. Control of Iran's resources and industry. End of their ballistic missile, drone and nuclear programs. Sorry, didn't occur to me to post that in the op. That's the win condition.
>>65617167That's impossible.
>>65617167In that case you are going to need ~1,000,000 men for those goals and it turns into Afghanistan the second you withdraw.
>>65617169I didn't set the terms kek.
>>65617145I take my whiny ass death to america bullshit back to /pol/ where it belongs
>>65617172Shut the fuck up, tourist scum.
>>65617170No million man army allowed. Only what's currently accumulated as staged in preparation for resumption of the war. Any additional forces credibly assumed to be currently in theater from kurdistan to kuwait can be put in play. Special forces, himars, etc.
>>65617172Is it still "death to America" when you are just watching it commit sudoku?>>65617176In that case you are just pulling a Putin thinking it'll fall like a house of cards.
>>65617179Those are the stated goals irl, those are the forces assembled to accomplish it irl.
>>65617180Those are the publicly stated goals just as Putin's publicly stated goal was the complete annexation of Ukraine, we'll see a much smaller goal claimed as the victory in both cases.
>>65617184>just as Putin's publicly stated goal was the complete annexation of UkraineWhere exactly was this publicly stated?I can, off the top of my head, remember that the US stated outright that the end of the Iranian nuclear program as a goal, but the rest flows together into a haze of inane we wuz winning statements.
>>65617188https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/2029923412269809980There are multiple other statements that the US would seize Iran's oil.
>>65617195I'll accept that, but orange nigger talks so much shit that I can never take anything he says too seriously.
>>65617196It's not just shit talk. It's exactly what Trump did with venezuela, and what he believed would happen in Iran. That was the actual plan.
>>65617208Yep, he couldn't understand a corrupt VP being willing to sell out the country is not the same as a whole society that has spent 40 years hating the US.
>>65617210And the only ones willing to fight to the death for Maduro were his cuban security. Which fact should give Trump pause about attacking Cuba, but won't.
>>65617167how long does the puppet have to survive?likewise how long does control of Irans resources/BM program have to last?
>>65617254Irrelevant to the SMO for the purposes of this exercise. If you achieve those goals, it's won. What comes down the line is beyond the purview of this thread. Too many variables.
>>65617215The funniest thing about Cuba is they would have been completely fucked with a surprise attack but Trumps spent the last decade threatening them just as medium range drones become common.One 40ft container full would let them take out every oil rig off the coast of Florida.
>>65617260Easy win in that case, just send in the troops, take over, install the puppet, hoist a flag over the oil fields, wait 24 hours for good measure and then pull everything out and leave
>>65617276You only have the troops currently assigned to theater to work with. As previously stated itt.
>>65617280NTA but it could be done zigger style>launch every chopper from every ship at the same time>each one fill with as many men as possible>each man issued a flag>if one of them lives long enough to plant a flag in Tehran you win
>>65617149Fpbp
Start massing up a negro mercenary force, after bombing the coast enough give them the order to use their inflatable rubber boats to assault.
>>65617161>mean bombing bridges, powerplants, key infrastructure sites etc. is the winning method. They should have done this days/weeks after the first round of attacks that targeted the military.Sure, that'll bring down the regime ... And then you'll have a 20 year insurgency fighting an insurgency against a dozen splinter groups, all of whom are perfectly capable of continuing to strike ships passing through the Strait.
>>65617145Bomb Israel and Palestine
>>65617302kek
>>65617145Guys... how many times must it be said that you can't win a war through naval and/or air power alone?
>>65617522You can, depending on your strategic goals.If you just want to sink a navy air and sea will do the job, if you want to install a puppet government you are going to need men with guns in the street.
This thread has convinced me that Iran didn't lose the war simply because they can attack a civilian ship every few days or so.
>>65617538So the war is over?For real this time?
>>65617145Go home and tell Israel they're on their own now
By the way, for those who don't know, crude flow out of the middle east is up.
>>65617544>crude flow out of the middle east is upProofs?
>>65617538I think some discord got bored and decided to shit up /k/ again.
>>65617544Cool so I guess that makes $116 a barrel completely acceptable now
>>65617550>$116Lol
>>65617554Sorry, $115.4 as we're speaking
>>65617554>$61 before the war>nearly double the price
>>65617149fpbp
>>65617550Maybe we shouldn't be shipping our oil out when we need it here. Ship it from Alaska to the west coast, refine it, and sell it domestically.
>>65617564You want to tell private business they can't maximize profits by exporting for higher prices commie?
>>65617564But that would be communism, isn't it?
>>65617566I'm not a commie. I'm a fascist.
>>65617145I sell 1 carrier group to each of three different iran-backed militias and go make popcorn
>>65617568>system that fails faster than communismIt'll work this time for sure.
>>65617571It's been working for the PRC since the 1980s.
>>65617522Don't tell me, tell Trump. He doesn't seem to get it.
>>65617573>PRCThey are mixed market authoritarian socialists and no the nazis weren't socialist the first thing they did was privatize banking.
>>65617145I mine their Persian Gulf ports, I mine their Caspian ports, I bomb all of their pipelines leading out of the country, I bomb all of their highways and railways leading out of the country and then mine them and then bomb anyone that tries to clear the mines.There's no need to fight them directly, just give them a chance to put their entirely self sufficient subsistence economy that they pretend to have in practice.
>>65617145Expend all munitions on israeli cities, then kamikaze the jets into whatever left is standing.Ejected pilots use their parachutes to smother anyone wearing a kippa.Throttle the carriers at full speed onto israeli beachfront properties. Set all onboard nuclear reactors to critical, and let them blow.
>>65617580*rolls*Speedboat launches continue. There are no significant pipelines. Caspian mining successful. Roads and rail lines are temporarily interdicted, but road craters are filled and new rails are lain. Land mines cause some losses to transport, but not enough to significantly affect shipping. Due to the need to keep the fleet in the Arabian sea for force protection and launching from Jordan and Israel, loiter time over Iran is reduced to the point that constant patrols to prevent mine clearance is unsuccessful. 3 MQ-9's lost. No manned aircraft shot down. 7 aircraft in Jordan damaged by cluster bomb ballistic missiles.
>>65617623>Speedboat launches continue to do nothing. There are no significant pipelines left. Caspian mining successful. Roads and rail lines are temporarily interdicted, but road craters are filled and new rails are lain, before being destroyed again days later.ftfy
>>65617167If you do literally nothing executive lift sanctions and otherwise ignore them the regime will fall within ten years as the middle class grows. Then companies move in to invest in their natural resources, these are mostly western companies. There isn't really a nuclear weapon program (or wasn't before the war) and i doubt if anyone would care about drones and SRBMs if the atarollah was gone. Literally doing nothing would have been the more effective strategy
>>65617269>let them take out every oil rig off the coast of Florida.Oil drilling off the Florida coast has been illegal since the early 1970s retard. There are no wells off the Florida coast
>>65617636>There isn't really a nuclear weapon program (or wasn't before the war)That's the true irony of this clusterfuck, Iran only kept a tiny enrichment program as leverage but now they would be crazy not to build the bomb.
>>65617636>If you do literally nothing executive lift sanctions and otherwise ignore them the regime will fall within ten years as the middle class growsDo you actually believe this?
>>65617630*player banned for not following DM rules and instruction* *rolls* Speedboat launches continue but are largely ineffective in interdicting US protected shipping, though several tankers are lost. Back and forth damage and repair to roadways and rail lines continues. 1 manned aircraft shot down over Iran this round. Pilot status unknown. Several score ballistic missiles strike Saudi and gulf state oil and critical infrastructure. WTI oil hits $137bbl. US diesel national average @ $7.89.
>>65617578Uh oh. The 'Nazis were socialist' crowd won't like this fact and evidence.
>>65617675It's crazy to me how many people still believe 90 year old propaganda that the German people knew was bullshit 85 years ago.The nazis pretended to be socialist to get support then sold the country to the rich.That said the same people falling for that today were told 3 years ago there would be no new wars, the Epstein files would be fully released and corruption would end in DC.
>>65617269I for one support the Cuban operation to rid Florida of the gusano plague. Viva la Revolution, Viva Che, and Viva El Jefe.
I like how the "Iran war is going fine" crowd points to the completely fucked oil market as proof.
>>65617697It's a massive psychosis of boomers and terminal contrarians unable to accept they are retarded and voted for a demented pedophile with a spray tan. Sure, the bread and circuses are definitely the best they've ever been, but ain't shit gonna be funny when millions of people are kicked off thier healthcare plans and red states are no longer able to offset higher gas prices with tax holidays.
>>65617650Internal security is always the most dangerous threat to a regime, not outside attack, especially a country with such defensible terrain as Iran. The threat being greatest from within is obvious, Iran itself being a case study in that. The Shah had the best military in the middle east and it didn't prevent his regime from falling, did it?
>>65617145Can't. Defies basic military science and common sense.
>>65617667>striking Iran's borders would somehow result in greater losses and greater Iranian response than striking critical infrastructure deep within Iranian territoryI bomb your railroading, too.
>>65617713"What do you mean gas being $9 per gallon is bad despite the US only getting a fraction of its oil through Hormuz?"
>>65617716The regime already overthrew the middle class that existed under the Shah and then spent decades suppressing it from reforming.
>>65617716You didn't even both to defend the original point
>>65617725That would seem to not line up with the increasing size and intensity of protests over the last ten years, by the middle class. Removing the threat of attack and sanctions undercuts the credibility of the ayatollahs as the "great satan" just becomes a random far away country. Without that external threat and the impoverishment of sanctions, the regime has a hard time justifying its existence and spending priorities.
>>65617713>voted for a demented pedophileThat's Biden. Trump is the man that saved us from the Biden regime.
>>65617650Bringing down the Berlin Wall is all it took to collapse the Soviet bloc
>>65617736I wonder what Israel would do if the US just left Iran alone.I know it's in their best interests geopolitically to let it deradicalize but domestically any leader that kills muslims wins elections so I could see them still starting shit.>>65617738Anon, hear me out, what if all senile pedos are bad leaders.
>>65617726I said what strategy would actually work to achieve said objectives, or obviate the need for them. Then explained why. Not sure why you're having such a difficult time understanding it, regardless of if you agree or not.
>>65617722"Petroleum is globally traded" : rightoids :: "per capita" : blacks
>>65617721It's in line with the reality of the war so far. Though the missile spam would probably come earlier. Like immediately.
>>65617746You didn't actually explain why a larger middle class would result in the regime falling.
>>65617754NTA but historically when people stop worrying about their next meal they start getting high minded ideas about freedom.
>>65617743Admitting the other side's demented retard is easy, but admitting your own side's?
>>65617757Not really. The middle class tend to be very invested in the current system, and have a lot to lose and not much to gain. The upper class has a lot to lose, but also a lot to gain. The lower class has nothing to lose. The middle class has something to lose, and no real chance to gain.
>>65617770The growing middle class doesn't start a revolution they have a few protests and the leader has to either kill productive citizens or give a little.Generally they give a little, then give a little more then die of old age and the new guy gives even more.When everyone is poor as shit you can kill them without hurting the economy, when they start being educated enough for the middle class killing them risks Pol Potting your country.
>>65617155Their government. Neither Bibi nor Eisenkot can form a government without going either to the other guys' coalition or roping in the arab parties somehow. It's an absolute shitshow.
>>65617754>>65617770Its less about the middle class itself (although that's a big part of it) and more about the growth of it, which begins introducing structures and resources that are able to resist the goverment, while seeming aspirational and achievable to the lower class, which currently are the base of power for the regime. So it undermines the power base of the regime while setting up the skeleton of an alternative arrangement. The tipping point is when the desire for more prosperity overtakes fear of goverment reprisal over a large enough section of the population. Major reason why the USSR fell, for example, although there were other factors in that case.
>>65617786Tough scene. I wish Israel a very happy die.
>>65617786They should have a civil war about it, then I could feel good about sending arms there.
>>65617276Dude, two MEUs aren't enough boots on teh ground to take Tehran, let alone the whole damn country. Even doing it zigger style would likely just end in thsoe Marines getting butchered trying to take a few blocks while getting swarmed by iranian militias and IRGC
>>65617161>I mean bombing bridges, powerplants, key infrastructure sites etc. is the winning method. And also not avaiable because iranian retaliation in kind will collapse the whole region, and that's an instant loss condition for the US.>>65617162Forget the oil ports and refineries. They'd hit the desalination plants and then the Gulf countries would literally implode wholesale becuse that's a large amjortiy fo their freshwater supply fucked.Those oil ports and refineries are gonna be pretty useless when the workforce running them is going to be busy fleeing the countries and/or dying from thirst.
>>65617538Well, yes. Iran in fact remain capable of pursuing its strategic goals, while the US has shown no way to reach it's own. In fact, it sure looks like the US lost, and at this point has even given up trying to fight beyond making shit up on social media while Iran owns the strait.
>>65617554Correct. Brent Crude is at $116.24 as of right now.
>>65617580Well, you just failed your objectives. Can't take their oil when you just bombed every way to get it out. Also they bombed the gulf states into collapse, so now you don't get any oil or fertilizer from there for the next 20+ years, either. Oh, and the IRGC are still in charge, just now of a warlord state instead of a functioning nation. So you also failed that part of the assignment.
>>65617827>Also they bombed the gulf states into collapseNo
>>65617778Yeah, except Iran isn't inherently poor because of mismanagement. It is poor because of an open conspiracy by the US, Israel, and Gulf Coast to starve them into civil war because they're psychotic haters. The external factors aren't a scapegoat the way they might be for Kim Jong Il's North Korea.
>>65617787Have you been asleep for the 21st century? The dream making everyone to rich, fat, and happy to bother with repression or war is dead.
>>65617815>Owning the Strait means being unable to export or import through it.I never get tired of Iran "winning". Iranians on the other hand aren't doing well.
>>65617833Sorry, but denial won't rebuild those desalination plants, nor get rid of the millions fleeing the Gulf states ahead of the incoming mass deaths from collapse of the potable water supply.
>>65617840>coming So it didn't happen
>>65617837Yeah I know about the endless economic warfare against every country that doesn't let Blackrock & Goldman Sachs own everything.
>>65617839>owning the straits means being able to project power into itFTFY. Which Iran is doing, and the USN is failing abysmally at right now. Seethe more about it. Hence the cope "blockade" hundreds of miles outside of the strait aka as close as US ships dare get to it nowadays.>I never get tired of Iran "winning". Neither do the Iranians it seems.>Iranians on the other hand aren't doing well.Well, they sure seem to be doing better than the global oil market outside of your delusions. And a hell of a lot better than the failing US war effort. Unsurprisingly, given that at this point said US war effort is basically just you impotently screeching on a mongolian basket weaving forum, while the USN hasn't dared get anywhere near the strait in weeks.
>>65617844NTA but it's not going to happen because Trump isn't going to hit a heap of Iranian power plants.It's very simple>Trump threatens to take out all Irans power plants>Iran threatens to talk out all the desal plants>Trump doesn't do shit and stops talking about hitting the power plants
>>65617844It did in fact happen in response to your infrastructure bombing. The desalination plants are rubble, and that means the water supply for the Gulf states collapses and nobody can stop it. Seethe more about it.
>>65617850I don't remember the Gulf States collapsing
>>65617851You don't remember Iranian drone and missile strikes causing so much damage that Trump was forced to declare a unilateral cease fire? That was only in April ffs.
Wdym unconditional support was not enough? If more shilling won't solve it then there's only one thing left to do with /k/opers. Draft and send /k/opers to go die for Israel
>>65617854>says /k/oper>doesn't like IsraelI'm confused, I though you were all MIGA.
>>65617550>America makes 5.2 million barrels diesel a day>America uses 3.8 million barrels of diesel a day>America exposts 1.4 million barrels of diesel a day>Still expensive as HellMake it make (((sense)))
>>65617853That doesn't sound like the Gulf States collapsed
>>65617864Oil is traded as a commodity? Sorry you were too retarded to get into college.
>>65617864>privtate for profit corps want to maximize profit>capitalist politicians are unwilling to interfere in the free market>oil corps charge global price domesticallyIf only there were economic systems that allowed the government to overrule business interests for the economic health of the nation.
>>65617566>>65617567I 100% support it in this case, and I'm the anon constantly saying commies and leftists in general are not human beings.I hate bankers and brokers too.
>>65617876>I 100% support it in this caseThen you are a market interventionalist making you economically left, welcome comrade.
>>65617876Just with this short partial description of your beliefs I can already envisage what you look like.
>>65617876>It's only communism when i don't like itLadies, gentlemen, and t-girls of /k/, the American education system.
>>65617871Oil that is produced domestically, meaning it is a collective American strategic asset. Once oil companies have made enough to recoup their leasing, investment, infrastructure overhead and still are making a profit, they shouldn't be able to rape regular Americans for a daily necessity.That is unAmerican, immoral and should be illegal.And Wall Street as a whole should just be nuked.
>>65617884Go easy on the kid, many can't learn what the left want until it effects them personally.Now we just need him to have a medical bankruptcy.
>>65617886Most Americans don't even comprehend what communism is, they just look at basic centrist concepts like public transportation or universal healthcare and go full McCarthy.
>>65617884And I am sure your ignorant biased, presumption is wrong.t. Benches 2pl8 for reps and rides MtB, no tattoos.
>>65617889How would a medical bankruptcy not push a person farther left?
I'm still voting republican. Fuck off.
>>65617894That's my point.Fuel is expensive enough he now supports market intervention and regulation, if he goes $300k into the hole with medical bills he'll suddenly support socialised healthcare.
>>65617889I love how you guys have been tipping your hand this whole time
>>65617888>That is unAmerican, immoral and should be illegal.You're soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo close to getting it.
>>65617864Easy. The rest of the world imports oil and American oil could be sold overseas instead of to Americans if it was vastly more profitable to do so. The simple solution would be to slap a 20% export tariff on petroleum products, which would make it far more profitable to market those products within the US and thus keep prices down for Americans.
>>65617902I want to afford a house and that's only happening with leftist economics.
>>65617891You needn't be lanky or fat to be a chud.
>>65617909Lol
>>65617912>median income $74,00>median rent $37,000>median house price $1,100,000Shit sucks.
>>65617854>tee-hee, I'm an obnoxious outsider! Are you mad?Yes. You win, I guess.
>>65617920>Average age of first time buyers is 40>Average age of total buyers is 59Daily reminder that boomers and xoomers sold their children's and grandchildren's future down the road for cheap money and a cozy retirement by cruising on home equity.
>>65617910>Caucasian>Hero>Undermining>DegeneracyThanks.
>>65617897Voting for el-Sayed mainly because the jews hate him.
>>65617948Not an acronym, my little Stormfront enjoyer.
>>65617888Maybe lefties do have a point about capitalism
>>65617957Trump crashed the market (multiple times) just to make a profit, that's the opposite of communism.
>>65617901I am that anon. I don't support socialized health care unless you volunteer or work a minimum amount of hours. And then it should be the absolute most basic and people can buy supplemental on the private market.Foodstamps should be reformed to be like WIC.>healthy staples only, emphasis on generic or local brands.And anyone who has not paid income, business or property taxes in 2 of the last 4 years should not be allowed to vote in federal election. 24th Amendment is bullshit. You also should need to show government ID and speak basic English.Online and mail-in voting is also bullshit, except in certain circumstances, like oil rig worker and deployed military.
>>65617907I'd vote for this. Make it 25%
>>65617953It literally is, my terminally online yet wildly ignorant societal inferior.>Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground DwellersAnd I don't eat people, only because it is illegal.
>>65617957It'll always be funny to me Trump nationalized 10% of Intel, he doesn't have any idiology at all and I doubt he understands a single economic theory.>>65617964Do you know the US spends more tax dollars per capita on healthcare than any other country?You pay more right now than if it was fully tax funded because you aren't just paying for the overheads but the profits too.
>>65617897>Heh, I'll surely own the libs THIS time by electing AIPAC's choiceNot everyone enjoys sucking jew cock like you do. Good for you I guess?
>>65617888CHECKED Fuck big oil>>65617902>Ohhh no, they hold a different opinion on a certain issue than me!Get fucked. Right wing means individualism. Anarchy is as far right as you can get.
I stand with Israel.
>>65617974But anon, how would we be able to fund the new United Healthcare CEO's custom G Wagon if healthcare was was socialized?
>>65617149i to bomb the shit out of Israel so hard that it becomes a country known as Aintnomoresreal
>>65617968It doesn't need to be very high at all. The way commodity markets work is that if supply drops even 1% below the fixed demand, prices will increase by many times very quickly. A 20% tax on exports would reduce prices for American consumers by much more than 20%.
>>65617974There is another spending issue that pisses me off more.We are mandated to give them $3,800,000,000, MINIMUM, annually, just in military funds. Why not jusy buy those weapons for ourselves? I want to see military spending at 5% of GDP and enlisted pay raised by 30% to attract better candidatea.
>>65617989Is it the left or the right that is calling out Israel?
>>65617989Apologies, rushing before mods pull the plug.
>>65617989>>65618002Your points stands either way, remember that the MSM hates those that hate Israel so look for who they are attacking and why.
>>65618001Both, on the far sides. I believe the left is doing it under the impression jews are White though and they are adeaid or ignorant to call them out in all sectors>banking>real estate>Hollywood>medical field>higher education>encouraging immigration
>>65618001To be fair to Rtards, the top echelon of the Ds are just as kiked out as they are. It's two wings of the same shitbird, and the goyim opinion box isn't going to do shit about it. .
>>65618007Every field you listed has been broken by the profit motive.Yes it's the jews but just because the jews like money and if you get rid of the jews there are plenty of Whites willing to kill their own for a dollar.>>65618008The DSA gives me hope, they have the corpo dems scared they are losing control.
>>65617964>Foodstamps should be reformed to be like WIC.>healthy staples only, emphasis on generic or local brands.No, this is stupid. I agree that niggers spending their food stamps on soda and chips is less than ideal, but the more that you try to micromanage how benefits are used, the greater the amount of overhead and waste. If you really want to force people on food stamps to not use them on anything unhealthy, you could get rid of the money entirely and just ship them boxes of fresh produce. But this is a far greater logistical load than simply moving money between accounts, and will result in far greater waste when people refuse to eat the kale and beets in their produce boxes.
>>65618017The jews it explicitly use them for propaganda and demographic change though. And the left, such as commies, feminists, and LGBTQ would be far smaller and less influential without jews running the show.
>>65618021I refuse to believe WIC is more wasteful than SNAP. And shipping food straight too them incurs transportation costs and would probably result in even more wasted food.
>>65617849Even if he did, the nexy administration would end up paying for replacements.
>>65618025>demographic changeMass immigration isn't some great conspiracy it's simply flooding the labor market to increase supply driving down labor costs.Once again the capitalists influencing policy to increase profits.>And the left, such as commies, feminists, and LGBTQ would be far smaller and less influential without jews running the show.Everything you listed except commies is IDpol bullshit used by the media to distract you from the economic policies destroying the west.
>>65618033I honestly feel bad for the next POTUS, to quote Lisa Simpson they inherited quite a mess from President Trump.The only way to end Iran without another Afghanistan is to drop sancitons and pay reparations to restore free passage, the MSM will beat the shit out of them for this because Israel wants total war but it's the only realistic option.
>>65617864>jew hater is oblivious to basic economicsMany such cases!
>>65618042What is certain is that Iran will not accept anything other than a favorable deal lest they get rocked by mass protests for not achieving something worth all of the destruction and suffering.
>>65618052They might accept some concessions if they can build the bomb but that might be too much for AIPAC to accept.The biggest issue will be free passage because if the precedent is set you can close a shipping lane then tax it forever global trade is in danger of a half dozen countries ending it at any moment.
>>65618042Another Afghanistan would unironically be a better outcome than that for the US even if Israel didn't exist. The only clean way out of this shitshow is to invent a time machine and find a way to get a candidate with an IQ over 100 nominated for the 2024 presidential election.
>>65618062Afghanistan cost $2.26 trillion, the only way paying is worse is the ego hit.
>>65618049>jew haterThere is no hatred of Jews. Only the understanding of what they are. But I do agree, the retard cannot into global markets.
>mods delete my kirkpost, but keep this whole /pol/ thread For what purpose?
>>65618066$2.26 trillion is a big number, but paying every country next to every strait a fee on all shipping through it for the rest of eternity would be far more expensive.
>>65618220Lets not forget if Israel and the US hadn't attacked this would have never happened, the lesson is attacking countries that can block shipping is expensive.
>>65618236See my original post, my brown friend: >>65618062.
>>65618236The great irony is that Iran wasn't even actively seeking the bomb after Obama's treaty with them, so arguably the primary justification for the war was a moot point right out of the gate.
>>65618245It never ceases to amaze me that people still bring up that Iran wasn't following the treaty after Trump shredded it. Like why would they follow the treaty if the US wasn't going to honor their side of the bargain? Especially now since Trump and Bibi bombed them under the guise of peace talks.
>>65617145Deploy the nuclear depth charges.
> advocating appeasement and doing apologetics for the JCPOA Thank God commies don't get anywhere in foreign policy.
>>65618236Iran was attacking shipping by proxy all the way back in 2024>buh buh thuh wuznt ir-They carried it out with Iranian-made weapons, advised by Iranian officers, at the direction of Iran when their other proxy in Gaza was being wiped out after they started the millionth pointless war with Israel with the most insane irredentist claim in history as an excuse (on their own, so Iran didn't even have any reason to get involved in that losing war to begin with)This dindu nuffin routine is tiresome and you'd have to not know anything about Iran and what they've been up to since 1979 to fall for this /pol/tard babble. The first thing they did after their revolution was kidnapping hundreds of American embassy personel in a disgusting violation of international law and decency. They invented modern hostage "diplomacy". These writhing maggots should have been incinerated instantly and the only thing that's wrong with this war is that it's 47 years early.
>>65618282>early*late
>>65617172>I take my whiny ass death to america bullshit back to /pol/ where it belongsGod bless AmericaDeath to IsraelHang everyone who works at Eglin Air Force Base for treasonsimple as
>>65618282>Iran was attacking shipping by proxy all the way back in 2024Only shipping from countries that trade with israel.
>>65618310>Only shipping from [most of the world]Does this help my point more than hurt it? You people always have an excuse ready to handwave reality. Besides that, they bombed ships heading to Iran on multiple occasions.
>>65618305>Noooo you can't just attack your sworn enemies because someone I don't like is also in conflict with them
>>65618335Iran is Israel's problem, not America's
>>65618368>The country that's been killing Americans for 40+ years >Not America's problem You fags better hope Dems do really well in the mid terms, otherwise we're going to turn Iran into an ashtray.
>>65618371>The country that's been killing Americans for 40+ yearsBut enough about Israel>otherwise we're going to turn Iran into an ashtrayBeen hearing that for 6 months, still waiting
>>65618371Anon if the attacks on Iran are going to be super effective with no backlash for the US why wait until after the midterms?Wouldn't it make more sense to win the war before them so you do better?
>>65618368Israel is America's problem, however.
>>65618371Unfortunately, whatever the result of the election, it won't have much immediate effect on the course of the war. They're postponing so as not to cause chaos before the ballots are cast, but the incoming reps won't be seated for some time and it'll take longer to coalesce an effective opposition. I'd like to believe otherwise, but they don't seem to have a plan to move fast and break shit like DOGE did. (DOGE was treason btw)
>>65618400It won't have an effect on the war, because Iran's terms are laughably unacceptable and we can easily be pulled back in at any time.
>>65618384>Iran a good boi whodindunuffin just need mo money for dem programs Bait. >still waitingNavy gone. Airforce gone. Leadership decimated. Built an airfield inside Iran to win the greatest Easter egg hunt in history. Gulf under total US control. Now, my terminally brown friend, we do the infrastructure :)
>>65618066Oh, no, less than three years' worth of gibs to the people strangling U.S. education, productivity, public safety, hospital safety, military proficiency, and only _partially_ responsible for the "free voting means we threaten to kill political contrarians" plague.NASA spent in 50 years what gibs consume in one year. Yearly healthcare fraud consumes an additional 10-27% of that additionally.
>>65618400>DOGE was treason btwBait.
>>65618400>President in the last two years of his term. >Probably only has the Senate >I wonder why he may not be concerned with the fallout of buck-breaking Iran
>>65618385>why wait until after the midterms?The median voter is not a fan of war, regardless of how necessary they may be.
>>65618415But it's going to be a quick easy win, that's better than being stuck looking weak before an election.
>>65618408>JIDF shill angrily mashing his keyboard and repeating xirself out of butthurtyou love to see it
>>65618416It's been a quick and easy win.
>>65618419>Total non-argument Concession accepted.
>>65618412Musk looted the data of the federal government with Trump's permission. I don't know what else you could call it.
>>65618425>Muh Musk Speed running the list of libshit greivances are we?
>>65618310That's been the most hilarious cope since browns started claiming it.
>>65618415The Iran war is the opposite of necessary, the reality is that we're still here precisely 8 months to the day later for the sake of an "ally" who couldn't have accomplished much themselves rather than the insipid excuse of an existential threat to the US.
>>65618430>leave the based billionaire techbro alone!!
>>65618459Read: I want cheap slave labor for the proverbial coal mines.
>>65617145>How do you win Easy>strategically place ships and carriers to hit every major city SHOCK AND AWE >activate stateside death squads before the world realizes you flattened the entirety of Israel>pirate all airwaves to play speeches from Hitler/Ford/Disney>give orange man the Maduro treatment but airdrop him in Liberia with his daughter>watch world slowly return to decency
>>65617145its too late, the element of suprise and neccesary stockpiles/poliTical will is already spent.we should of trained persian exiles for months and armed them for a bay of pigs style invasion. they could land at airbases in iraq and cross the border to invade and head towards tehran. at the same time we could have also armed the kurds which was the original american/israeli planf or the operation.maybe do 10-30 days of bombing before the invasion and provide air support to the invading forces.if the icrg still has the will to fight after our proxies arrive in tehran we can seize the islands around hormuz as well as kharg using marines . if that doesnt work we also take the surrounding coastline penetrating up to miles deep inland.
>>65618430>Patriotic concern over the betrayal of the republic is libshit greivances.You don't hate MAGA enough. But we the people are getting there.
>>65617568>I'm not a [non democratic government]>I'm a [non democratic government]You are the same
>>65618489Trump did arm the Kurds. He lost billions in weapons he gave them believing they would invade north western Iran and even launched airstrikes in the region meant to support it. But the Kurds never had any intention of joining the war, and stated explicitly that it was due to his betrayal of their interests in Syria after they fought ISIS with the US in the past. It's all documented extensively. The closer you look at this debacle, the worse it gets.
>>65617280They're enough, Iranian ground forces cannot offer serious resistance
>>65618501*weapons to invade Iran and bring with them into the country to arm the opposition.
>>65618501The Kurds have been fucked over so many times I say we give them Israel.
>>65618501nah the israelis were also in contact with them and told them not to do it at the last minute.also the kurds would be more likely to do it if they knew they werent the only forces invading iRAN
>>65618493>But we the people are getting there."Trumpian" policies are getting adopted by the Democrats. Hell, the Europeans are copying him with tariffs and deportations to third countries.
>>65618501The most likely group to be armed right now is the Balochis but they're also not capable of overthrowing the government.
>>65618511>the israelis were also in contact with them and told them not to do it at the last minuteSource? Was that before or after the IDF bombed Iranian forces along the border region with Iraqi kurdistan to support an invasion in the first weeks of the war? Because that's not what the Kurds said. Or what was reported. https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israeli-plan-for-kurdish-invasion-of-iran-reportedly-collapsed-amid-leaks-distrust/
>>65618493>Some nonsensical conspiracy theory >Betrayal of the RepublicYeah. >>65618459>Nooooo! You HAVE to mindlessly consume my drivel "No"
>>65618512The Euros are running out of ideas in regard to China's "overcapacity", to the point where they even tried politely asking them if they could export less. I'm sure you can guess China's response to that.
>>65618498Implying democracy exists anywhere past the city level.
>>65618035>Mass immigration isn't some great conspiracyWrong.
>>65618049>>65618193Economics is not a science, same as psychology. Economics is people manipulating statistics to try and validate or explain a position, goal or general avarice.
~300 strike and air superiority and electronic warfare aircraft establish temporary/quasi air superiorityDrop 5 Mark 11 B61 nuclear bombs at full yield on 5 Iranian strategic facility locations. What nukes are actually for btw, on non-peers. Pack up and sit tight and continue to the blockade and hang tight for another 9 months.
>>65618667Added bonus, watch Europe undergo endless protests over fuel prices and economic collapse.
>>65618305>Eglin Air Force BaseAaaand he played his hand too far! Congrats, Robert! You've been identified!
>>65618335I have no beef with Iran or any reason to have beef with them. Israel needs to be punished for the King David Hotel, the USS Liberty, and 9/11.
>>65618400>Doge was treasonCommit end yourself, CIA nigger. >Waaah how dare you end my billions of dollars of theft from the people to use to manipulate everything everywhereDOGE should have been making literal cuts, they should have been armed, and the organizations they were cutting contracts with should have been asked to an all hands meeting and met with fire.
>>65618693Iran has literally been the USA's top 5 enemies since the 1980s. Zoomers are too young to remember many of the major incidents back then. The Israeli's have 200+ nuclear warheads in a triad, and since the 1960s they have had two nuclear doomsday doctrines. The Sampson Option. = Israel if existentially threatened, will dispense all of its nukes in a suicide attack, Washington DC, Moscow Russia, Paris France, London UK are all targeted as well. The Menechem begin Doctrine. = Unilateral destruction of all nearby nations/enemy nations nuclear programs even authorizing the use of nuclear weapons. Iranian nuclear program = aided primarily by Russia, some help from North Korea as well. Syrian nuclear program = destroyed by Israeli airstrikes and kept hush hush, aided by Russia and North Korea. Israeli nuclear program = began from French direct assistance to Israel.North Korean, Chinese, Russian programs began ultimately out of leaks from the USA and shared cooperation between Russia/China/North Korea. South African nuclear program = cancelled because the white government was being overthrown and nobody wants niggers with nukes. Started to counter the USSR which was actively trying to destroy South Africa in multiple bush wars/regional wars during the cold war, also assisted by Israel.
>>65618710Almost forgot this one.Pakistani nuclear program = started with direct assistance from Canada. Fucking Canada. Lmao.
>>65618710The nuclear warheads they first got by stealing hundreds of pounds of enriched uranium from Pennsylvania? And then testing with South Africa, who they then betrayed?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affair
>>65618710>The Sampson Option. = Israel if existentially threatened, will dispense all of its nukes in a suicide attack, Washington DC, Moscow Russia, Paris France, London UK are all targeted as well.You're a fucking idiot.
>>65618710>>65618714Also btw, the Iranian and Syrian nuclear programs were directly started specifically to have the capability of destroying Israel in a nuclear war.Well it ain't gonna happen because of the Begin doctrine, the Sampson option, and the fact that it is actually in the USA's interest to maintain the Begin doctrine, because without it, 100% there will be global nuclear war.Israel all out nukes the middle east, Pakistan nukes Israel and India and India nukes Pakistan, Russia joins at some point, China and the USA and France and the UK are forced into the fray ultimately. Gavrilo Princip style. Easiest solution. Tactically nuke Iran/Turkey/whoever when they are uppity. Same treatment the USA gave to Japan, saved millions of lives. Mad about it? Cry a river. Blame France if you want to (gave nukes to Israel), and Russia (gave nukes to every villain out there).
>>65618693Don't forget directly contributing to the suicide of James Forrestal and attempting to assassinate John Gunther Dean.
>>65618715The Israeli program pre-dates the Apollo affair. The Apollo affair was after Israeli-French cooperation gave Israeli its first nuclear capabilities. Israeli already had nukes of its own in the 1967 war. Of all fucked up nations however, Russia is the worst. They constantly tickle the dragons tail by giving program assistance to North Korea, Syria, Iran etc.
>>65618498>implying direct democracy is a good thing.George Washington would have given you an ass kicking.
>>65618727Didn't the frogs just set them up with an enrichment reactor?Apollo was in 1965.
>>65618732Early France-Israel program was c1958-1962. The French leader at the time was sympathetic to the jews/Israel. Now Israel possibly has more nukes than France right now.
>>65618710>Israel if existentially threatened, will dispense all of its nukes in a suicide attack, Washington DC, Moscow Russia, Paris France, London UK are all targeted as well.Sounds like israel is the real enemy here, and we should destroy them preemptively. Then deal with their diaspora rats.
>>65618742That's not how nukes work. Also not how intelligence works. Israel has a world class intel club, they are everywhere. They also have full a national security apparatus. They sniffed out a nuclear reactor in the Syrian desert, they also sniffed out Iranian bunkers on their own. They got the juice first, now they have dibs on geopolitics in the region, sucks for everyone else but that's how it works. Iran was fucked the moment it denied to destroy its program in negotiations. Days later, bombs flew. The only reason Russia doesn't use nukes on Ukraine is because of the USA alone. France and the UK are pushover sissies, always have been. The USA is actually willing to drop nukes bigtime and is the only nation to have done so in war. If the USA nukes Iran (literal 50/50 chance right now), Russia will nuke Ukraine, and no one will care honestly and the issues will be solved for another 80+ years. If Israel nukes Iran however, all issues will be solved and there will be no global collateral. Iran/middle eastern shitholes are the lowest hanging fruit.
>>65618756>If the USA nukes Iran (literal 50/50 chance right now),Seriously, are you fucking retarded?
>>65618769Literal 50/50 chance. Take it from the source kid. One of the CSG's in the middle has Mark 11 B61's right now. Ukraine is also completely fucked if we do. There's a gentleman's agreement among major powers to avoid direct conflict, but proxies are fair game.
>>65617800Two MEUs is less than a Regiment of actual combat power. And never capitalize the most frequently defeated branch of the DoD, the marines
>>65618756>That's not how nukes work. Also not how intelligence works. Israel has a world class intel club, they are everywhere. They also have full a national security apparatus. They sniffed out a nuclear reactor in the Syrian desert, they also sniffed out Iranian bunkers on their own. They got the juice first, now they have dibs on geopolitics in the region, sucks for everyone else but that's how it works. Iran was fucked the moment it denied to destroy its program in negotiations. Days later, bombs flew.Sounds like we should strike sooner rather than later then. God bless America and death to israel.
OP here>250 posts later. No path to victory confirmed. Thanks for playing.
>>65617747>But it doesnt have to be>NOOO THEN YOU HAVE TO BE STALIN TO BE ETHICALLY CONSISTENT>But I don't have to beI solved politics.
>>65617847>owning the straits means being able to project power into itlike the US military does rn>Well, they sure seem to be doing better than the global oil market outside of your delusionskek
>>65617149They detonate suitcase nukes they've set up in various locations in the US and Europe, having used their media control to associate these with Russia/Islamic terror.
>>65617550Thats the brent spot, the actual purchase price is even higher
>>65617578They only gave those to party members, which in a one party state makes them effectively state owned. Chinks do a similar thing today.
>>65619319>private ownership by the elite is the same as public ownershipDo you actually believe this? Is this the true state of economic literacy?
>>65617145Easy, just do what the US did to defeat them irl.>destroy their navy, airforce and SEAD>liquidate iran's leadership>blockade iran's ships to cuck their economy
>>65619294Worth it. Then we nuke israel.
>>65617145>You have 3 carrier groups, bases in Jordan and Israel, and 2 Amphibious ready groups. How do you win the Iran war?Since my carrier groups are establishing total air dominance over Israel i suppress their AD and make sure they don't interfere with the 2 amphibious landing groups. I use the bridgehead to land the Marines then ask Jordan to shoot down escaping Israeli pilots. The Amphibious battle groups should give me the military might combined with US political threats to seize Tel Aviv and topple Israel, in the shock of this action the US should be able to establish a puppet government before Israeli civil government can respond. .
>>65618035All of those things are destroying the west and all are inherently kiked
>>65618720The answer is nuke israel but only after sending you and yours there.
Realistically, Israel and the US should have built a coalition the first time. Securing Saudi airbase usage would have quintupled sortie rates and let them actually shut down attempts to close the straight.
>>65618710>Iran has literally been the USA's top 5 enemies since the 1980s. Because we couped their government.
>>65618720Nuking isn't necessary when you have the intel and strike capabilities of the USAF. It would just give Russia an excuse to use tactical nukes in Ukraine. China would start adding them to their Taiwan invasion plans, too.
>>65618720>Iranian and Syrian nuclear programs were directly started specifically to have the capability of destroying Israel in a nuclear war.We should have sent them billions of dollars.
>>65619397Sorry, best I can do is hubris and strategic defeat.
>>65619452You have to understand that war isn't chess. That's a very poor equivalence. Poker is unironically a more apt analogy.The attack on Iran was because analysts said there was a 70% chance that Iran would collapse within a month. We made that bet on good odds, but it still failed. For a bet as big as attacking Iran, we should have gone all in only with 95% odds of success.
>>65617145Start by hitting every bridge, power plant, water purification, oil refinery, and train lines. Return them to the Islamic Golden Age they adore so much.
>>65617145Quit pussyfooting and use my air superiority to start targeting Iran's necessities: food, water, and shelter in that order. There should not be a single blade of wheat growing in it by the end of the fiscal year, nor a drop of drinkable water by the next. Airdrop flyers warning the civilians of the scheduled bombings ahead of time so the UN can't cry war crimes either, and sanction them if they persist.
>>65617888Should have sided with the germans against jews and you'd have this
Mods are really going to let this go the distance, huh?
>>65619453>analysts said there was a 70% chance that Iran would collapse within a monthI'm going to need a source on that, we know Israel claimed it would be quick and easy but I haven't seen anything like that from the pentagon.
>>65619629Have to wonder how much they’re being paid by pidors to shit up a Polynesian gauntlet crafting forum, either way containment threads are clearly not working to contain the spread of /pol/rot, just as appeasing Russia has never contained the spread of their filth and degeneracy.
>>65619629They can't purge it without pissing heaps of anons off enough to consider heading to another imageboard mossad doesn't control.It's a rare topic were there is a near 50/50 split of opinion so they have to let it slide to begin with then start slowing banning those that think the DOD is retarded one by one.
>>65619667Commies are a joke. They failed, miserably.
>>65619655You're incapable of comprehending that arguably the greatest reason this board has gone to shit is the inability for people such as your fine retarded self to not make literally everything about fucking Russia and Ukraine.
>>65619696Pretty sure it has more to do outsiders coming in to run amateur influence campaigns and the mods tolerating them
>>65619709Nah man, the number of Russia/Ukraine shill threads getting posted already made them a problem, but then the bots have to breach their numerous containment cells to shit up everything else.
>>65618693>have no beef with Iran or any reason to have beef with them>Israel needs to be punished for the King David Hotel, the USS Liberty, and 9/11.This HAS to be bait, right?
>>65619727>shill threads getting posted already made them a problem, but then the bots have to breach their numerous containment cells to shit up everything else.Like this thread?
>>65619696This. >>65619709But also this.
>>65619398No, they couped our government. And frankly they were doing swell as a puppet until someone had to get uppity about "western degenerates" or some shit. It does sadden me though, the few Iranians I've met online seem pretty cool. Plus, they like spongebob enough to make rip-offs, nobody who likes spongebob could ever be a bad person
>>65617149
>>65619696>”nooes stop noticing our incredibly obvious and ineffectual shilling for Iran/Russia/China”Go skydiving over a skeet shooting range faggot>>65619709This. I guess noticing mods are in on spreading foreign propaganda aimed at weakening the US and its allies offends anons for some reason. I wonder why they care so much about misleading us?
>>65619773>weakening the US and its alliesSorry to break it to you but since you threatened to invade 2 NATO members the rest of the White world hates you.
>>65619780Where is this "white world"? Surely you're not talking about Europe.
>>65619785What percentage is the US when you don't count spics?
>>65619773>foreign propagandaThese guys are just a bunkerchan/bread tube discord. They are completely amateur.
>>65619731No Persian ever called me goy. Or ran a multinational pedophile blackmail ring ensaring multiple US Presidents. Or had preknowlege of a massive terrorist attack and let it happen in order to give a war weary public a Casus Belli to destabilize a region at the behest of their Persian overlords.
>>65619773Buddy, the US doesn't need foreign propaganda to be weakened, it's doing a damn fine job hurting itself. As for our allies, well, the saying "with a friend like this who needs enemies?" is quite apt. You shouldn't be surprised by this, during the first Trump administration he nuked our soft power just like today, except it's even worse now.
>>65619798People called me a 'zigger' and a 'pidor' for openly saying the Trump administration was going to stop all aid to Ukraine (because you know, he kinda ran on that.) Those same people here will tell you it's pure propaganda that Trump threatened to invade Greenland (even though he did.) This place is full of glowniggers and mindbroken MIGAts, and it will only get worse after the midterms when shit heats back up and Congress still pussyfoots around on reigning in control of the Iran War.
>>65619788About 60% when not accounting for the "white Hispanic" and "Arab" subgroups.
>>65619820Not as bad as I expected.t. 80% Aussie
>>65619811Trump truly is the finest Russian/Chinese/Israeli/Iranian spy to ever hold our highest office. Canada wants to at least be associated with the EU and the EU wants to get as far away from the US and its chimping out as possible.
>>65619811>>65619831I was talking about this with a friend the other day asking what Trump would do differently if he was trying to destory the US.Without congress catching on and impeaching all we could think of was further economic deregulation to insure the next crash is great depression teir. He's already doing everything in his power to distance allies and increase the debt while bond yields rocket.
>>65617610They say he is too based...
>>65619840Trump is such a toxic commodity that Europe unironically turned to China, the nation that they're fighting a soft trade war with and is an ideological rival, went full Thanos and said "perhaps I treated you too harshly."
>>65619849>Trump is such a toxic commodity that Europe unironically turned to ChinaDidn't happen.
>>65619862I know literacy is a luxury in this festering cesspit but perhaps you should've read the entire post before making yourself look like a retard. Europe and China aren't friends, their relations are just much more cordial out a mutual antipathy towards Cheeto man. Maybe orange pedophile man should get a peace prize for managing to thaw the China-India relationship too.
>>65619875>more unbacked strong claims and harsh words k
>>65617320lol, what the fuck kind of ColtSig 5531674 is Grok generating there
>>65617149Lel>>65617145Realistically you don't, technically you can win by setting yourself very limited objectives. If the goal is regime change or a change in Iranian nuclear thinking then you're SOL. You need a ground invasion. Period. If you come out and state the objective was to plough some fields from the air you can come home mission accomplished.
>>65617167I think I just quit my job.
>>65617786Crazy they just have like second class parties it's insane. I don't care that much but the formality of Israeli apartheid is hilarious. What's it with some retarded breed of white that desires to move to places like Africa or the middle east and then spend the rest of their lives paranoid and surrounded and hated?
>>65617741It took an oil crash.But cratering the price of oil would also work against Iran.
>>65619794Ah, so it's bait.
>>65619811>>65619831>>65619840Fanfic.
>>65619982Low-effort bait post.
Yay, bump limit!
>>65617738If that's what "saving us" looks like, I shudder to imagine the Biden regime.
>>65617533If you want to put an end to the further development of the nuclear bomb once and for all, you must overthrow the government, and that requires an invasion.Anyone who attempts this by firing expensive missiles and cruise missiles at mass-produced, low-cost, mobile launch pads will only end up with a dangerously low stockpile of missiles and cruise missiles in their own ranks. Meanwhile, the enemy will be laughing their heads off that their opponent was foolish enough to weaken his own military capabilities for years to come and beyond.I'm truly speechless about the disaster that the war in Iran has, as expected, turned into.
>>65619980>t. Worked for Urban Moving Systems in the early 2000s
Pic related will happen and cause burgers to seethe because they are unable to stop it.
>>65620329>Imagine if Russia were in the EU
>>65620370a denbt to surpass Greece
>>65617320so many pouches makes me think Rob Liefeld was in the training data
>>65617167Impossible - The regime will not surrender, they are retarded ideologues who'd sooner let their country become a parking lot than acquiesce to your demands.Thus, you need boots on the ground to gain control of the country, something which your scenario does not allowThere was a chance before the war started - they had a large protest movement, tens of thousands strong. They feasibly could have been armed and supported to incite a revolt. But they're all dead now and no one is in a hurry to take their spot sooo....
>>65620370The march of history continues, despite momentary hiccups.
>>65620370As soon as putler and his goons are gone.
>>65617167I thought the only remaining goal was to get gas prices back down?
>>65617149bro wants to save the world
anon has 3 CSGs, 2 ARGs, bases in Jordan and Israel, and his first thought is "naval invade Tehran." incredible.Before clicking arrows, what's the fucking win condition? Cripple the IRGC? Stop nuclear weaponization? Force a settlement? Those are DIFFERENT WARS.1. CSGs aren't floating invasion buttons.Three carrier groups bring massive airpower, Aegis, ISR, and strike capability. Parking them in the Persian Gulf under Iranian antiship missiles, mines, and drones isn't strategy. It's donating high-value targets.2. The USAF exists, genius.F-35s, F-22s, F-15Es, EW aircraft, AWACS, tankers, and ISR all matter. So do fuel, maintenance, munitions, and airfields. The boring logistics nerds are why your cool jets can fly.3. Iran isn't Iraq '91.Yes, Iran loses a conventional air war. That doesn't delete dispersed IRGC missiles, Shaheds, underground sites, mines, or proxy networks. Air supremacy isn't a magic "threats eliminated" button.4. Defend the fucking Gulf.Aegis, Patriot, THAAD, allies, and maritime patrols aren't optional. Iran doesn't need to sink a carrier. Hit shipping or energy infrastructure and your glorious 72-hour win becomes a global economic crisis.5. Marines aren't an infinite manpower cheat.Two ARGs don't occupy 90 million people. A MEU gives expeditionary options, not a free Tehran garrison. This isn't HOI4.6. Escalation exists.Bases, partners, shipping, and civilian infrastructure can all take hits. A few hundred Tomahawks don't magically solve that or the politics afterward.7. DEFINE VICTORY.What threat is verifiably degraded? What stops reconstitution? When do hostilities end? If you want regime change, who's governing Iran on day 100, and who's paying for year ten?tl;dr: US naval and airpower can dominate conventional combat. The nightmare is asymmetric retaliation, Gulf defense, coalition cohesion, logistics, and the political end state.Three CSGs give you options, anon. Not a fucking victory screen.
>>65617145>Iran warFYI: Trump is now calling it a "military conflict", not a war.
