So Germany loses, right? Germany simply doesn't have the numbers
The lack of nuclear weapons could also have an influence.
>>65611972even without nukes being involved
Yeah the USSR can just nuke Germany in a 1v1, in 1979 they had like 10k nukes.
>>65611964Germany without NATO support gets steamrolled, the USSR was a legit super power.Russia is not the USSR no matter what Putin says.
>>65611964Retarded question and artifical hypothetical scenario.
>>65612001what's an example of a natural hypothetical?
>>65612019It wouldn't need to be a hypothetical if it was natural.
>>656119991979 Russia was WOEFULLY unequipped to handle modern high mobility warfare, their exceptionally poor performance in Afghanistan proved they'd be pretty fucked against any semi-competent modern military.
>>65612030>they'd be pretty fucked against any semi-competent modern military.yes but we're talking about Germany
>>65612030Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires for a reason, Germany had their shit pushed in only 34 years earlier.
>>65612019How would you feel if you didn't suck cocks today?
>>65612061I would feel nothing like you
>>65611964Wow 52% of people are retarded!
>>65611964They could just send their endless hordes of mongol/russian mutts and win anyways.
>>65611972We still have a few research reactors and nuclear waste lying around that could be refined into nuclear weapons, but yeah it'd take a few years to build a nuke even if our politicians suddenly grew a spine.
>>65612030The Bundeswehr have less than 180,000 currently serving members.1979 Sovoet Union had like 60,000 tanks in inventory, 20,000 MRLS and artillery pieces, and some 5,000 rotary wing and another 5,000 fixed wing aircraft.You're a retarded fucking faggot.
>>65611964Would East Germany be in a superposition like the Palestine-Israel anomaly in UNSONG?Would NATO exist?Is this taking place in 1979 or 2026, i.e. which country is time-traveling?
>>65612030And you think the Bundeswehr can? They don't even have an effective Corps HQ let alone a full set of Corps-level support assets, dipshit. They'd basically be moving two divisions independently around while the USSR throws massed waves of men and materiel at them.
That's the big thing - without nukes, Germany theoretically has the guided missiles and other high-quality stuff to paralyze the Soviet military, kind of like what HIMARS did but much worse.But could they actually do it?Ain't no way, Germany and other Euro countries are incompetent clusterfucks of Managerial-Caste wastes of oxygen. They cannot get their shit together before tank spam overruns their country by sheer weight of numbers.If you gave them a year or two to unfuck themselves and hang traitors and incompetents, then maybe. (And again, that's handwaving away nukes)
>>65612041Afganistan has been conquered repeatedly. The soviets just did a bad job.
>>65612550It's not even "hard".It's called the graveyard because it's an utter shithole of no value besides painting the map. So it's always the last to be taken, at an Empire's high water mark, and then always the first to go when an Empire starts weakening.
>>65611964Germans are mind broken and brainwashed from losing ww2. For that reason alone, they will never be a serious military force. The fifth column peacenik mentality drilled into them would be considered disgusting, if not treasonous in any nation with the will and pride to defend themselves
>>65612107Around 1,5 tons of 88-93% HEU, even irradiated ones from Garching reactor is still available. Some simple reprocessing and a few implosion warheads can be quickly constructed. Years is heavily exaggerated. Maybe months, at most. Urenco enrich could possibly get those quicker, maybe in a few days.The real bottleneck is the lack of IRBM or long range bomber. Those wont be available anytime soon
>>65612019Belgium vs. trhe Netherlands
>>65612587those klomp wearing, stroopwafel munching, omafiets riding fucks have it coming Im telling you
>>65612539>has the guided missiles and other high-quality stuffNowhere near the numbers needed
>>65611964>Germany simply doesn't have the numbersIf Germany turns to Drones, the Soviets could easily be beaten back.However, I wouldn't expect Germany to fight their way to Moscow for the same reason why Operation Barbarossa failed.Logistics gets stretched.
>>65612587>who winsFlandersfuck the walloons I'm volunteering with the Dutch
>>65612708why fuck the walloons?
>>65611964>1979 USSR looses to Afghanistan>2026 Germany is pretty much Afghanistan
>>65612030>>65612041>>65612550>>65612553Honest question, why did the Soviets struggle so badly given on paper the war should have been over in an instant since you're talking about a superpower sending motorized rifle divisions against men on horseback armed with antiquate rifles. At least the Americans had to travel halfway around the world, but the Soviets were direct neighbors.
>>65612731you don't have to live with them and I also don't want to live with them
>>65612739Terrain, all the armour in the world won't save you in the mountains.
>>65612739>Honest question, why did the Soviets struggle so badly given on paper the war should have been over in an instant since you're talking about a superpower sending motorized rifle divisions against men on horseback armed with antiquate riflesThey successfully conquered Afghanistan, replaced the government, and recruited and equipped an even larger Afghan army than the US managed. (Remember, the Soviets trained more Afghans than the US did. Remember that the next time you hear some faggot claim that Afghan terrorists learned the ways of war from the CIA.)However the Soviets could never truly change the culture of the populace from a resentful, reluctant subject into a whole-hearted ally. (Put this the other way round: you think if they managed to coup Kyiv today and set up a puppet government and a small Donbabwean puppet army, that means every single remaining Ukrainian is a loyal Russian?) That is why the CIA could find sympathetic rebels to make use of.
>>65612740you mean you live among them? like when you go outside
>>65612061But I did suck cocks today!?!
>>65612755this nigga sweet as a sugar plum
>>65611964But part of 2026 Germany was apart of 1979 Soviet Union? So how does that work? Someone is playing at a huge disadvantage if half of Germany is gone or one of the biggest strategic points for the Soviet Union is magically no longer apart of them.
Just like modern poland vs national socialist germany.Germany comes out on top 10/10 times because they are aryan.
>>65612774East Germany was not part of the Soviet Union. You're probably thinking of the Warsaw Pact. But that was a military alliance, not a nation.
Realistically, USSR would just human wave Germany without much difficulty?1979 USSR is probably a much more formidable fighting force than current year Russia I would think and current year Germany I am inclined to think is in much worse shape militarily that modern Ukraine.
>>65612836>current year Germany I am inclined to think is in much worse shape militarily that modern UkraineCurrently, yes, if we assume that both sides retain equivalent NATO support. Starlink and other US ISR and C3 assets give so much of a combat multiplier to Ukraine's field army that they would definitely beat the Bundeswehr.If we take that away and force each side to rely only on their organic capabilities however, the Germans might win, because Ukraine has very limited organic C3 and electronic warfare capability.
>>65612561it took the americans decades to get thermonuclear implosion warheads right. you also need them to function properly after decades of storages and after being manhandled by a supersonic launch into space and violent re-entry with high g maneuvering. and they need to detonate at a precise location in a precise altitude. thats not something that can be scrambled together in a few months if you want it to actually function and not just land in the ground unexploded or fizzle as a subcritical nuke and doing basically no damage. and then russias would have the pretense to do a full blown all out nuclear attack on every larger city in germany.
>>65612744>>65612751>>65612739afghanistan is a catch all term for 30 different tribes that arent on the same page at all and given afghanistans terrain, basically every valley has its own culture, history and relations. the guys sitting in kabul have nothing in common with the guys sitting in herat or kandahar, those are basically different nations and the afghan central government is similar to the EU in what power it actually has over the country. locals can just say nah and there is little the central government in kabul can do about it if they dont want their convoys get ambushed in the mountains. and the roads are so bad in winter there is often no way to get into a certain value at all, even if theres no resistance. the guys in there are shut in and the governmnet is shut out. you can send a few guys in at mountain paths or helicopters but thats it.
>>65611964>Level the Kremlin with pgms>USSR, like the insect hive they are, immediately collapse into infighting as the various commie scum all try to scramble to the top of the shit pile
>>65611964What blew up this time?
>>65613128>blow op the president of the soviet union>swan lake on all channels>blow up the broadcasting agency>local commisariat forces soviet citizens to go watch the ducks on the local pond
>>65613140>Cumrade! You must of touching grass! You are not decandent wectoid gamer burger-oise are you???
>>65613140>blow op the president of the soviet union>swan lake on all channels>blow up the broadcasting agency>swan lake on all boards
>>65613077>it took the americans decades to get thermonuclear implosion warheads right.Grandpa, this isn't the 50s anymore. Implosion device mechanics was done and solved for well over half a century. The hard works remain with the delivery vehicle, and yes, rocket science is hard, more so for solid-fuel ICBM, judging by failure rate of the Bulava. Getting a functional IRBM/ICBM with CEP that isn't measured in the size of an oblast is no straightforward task, which no doubt would take years for any newcomer.All my points remain valid.
>>65613233I thought that was plankton
>>65613233>rocket science is hard, more so for solid-fuel ICBM, judging by failure rate of the BulavaThe Iranians have a lot of operational ballistic missile experience now though
>>65613243Same lmao
>>65612739>why did the Soviets struggle so badly given on paperWoefully unpopular government, Soviet-Afghanistan government was useless outside of the cities, Afghani population HATED the Soviets for loads of reasons, beginning of the rise of islamic jihadist groups and EVERYONE wanted to fight the Soviets, no real goal for the soviets outside of "Just prop up the capital city and call it a day", and so much more
The current Germany army has about 5000 combat ready troops with about 2 weeks time worth of ammo and supplies under ideal conditions.
>>65613130I hate you more than the ziggers.
>>65613537>5000Is the number they can sustain on an enduring operationThe standing army can surge to about 6x that if SHTFBut that's about it
>>65612805Well since it doesn't say vs warsaw pact, whats the status of the countries inbetween?
Anyone who picks Germany is monumentally retarded.
>>65614729>No sauce>No year
>>65614729This originally put Ukraine at 18%.
>>65613233Solids are easier than liquids at the cost of delta-V, you just need a RCS system on the bus for final adjustments. As it's suborbital efficency doesn't really matter so you can use a mono-propellant or even cold gas thursters.The enrichment remains the hard part with fission being simple but fusion is a bitch.
>>65614729>self reporting willingness to fight>doesn't say what kind of warThere is no fucking way I'm fighting in the ME for shareholder value and I'm not defending my government from people I think would be a better government but I'll sure as shit fight to not have a much worse government.
>>65614729>Women includedDiscarded.
>>65612559>ww2. For that reason alone, they will never be a serious military forceZoomers never heard of the cold war.>>65614729Think about the 3 most realistic scenarios for your nation's next war and if you'd serve in any of them. I'm not dying for Israel.
Imagine video we have of HIMARS aftermath.Now imagine it but on a properly clumped up commie blob grouping up for a push that literally doesn't even know HIMARS exists.
>>65611964>So Germany loses, right? Germany simply doesn't have the numbersGermany could have a 10:1 kill ratio and they would still inflict trivial casulties on the soviets because they would be outnumbered to an absurd degree. In a similar vein, Sweden 1990 could easily defeat Sweden 2026.
>>65612739>Honest question, why did the Soviets struggle so badlyBecause war is very much about logistics, and supply lines into Afghanistan and inside Afghanistan are extremely hard to keep going. It was pretty much the same reason as to why America + NATO also lost in Afghanistan.
>>65616828Logistics was not the primary reason for the US failure in Afghanistan, ten thousand abrams don't produced a self-sustaining Afghan state.
>>65616624(You) will run out of PGMs far sooner than the Soviets will run out of AFVs. The same issue plagued NATO planners throughout the later Cold War btw, you're about 40 years behind the curve.
>>65611964Does America and NATO swoop in to save Germany?Otherwise USSR, easily.
>>65616828America lost because they didn't have any war aims or strategy beyond propping up some vassal government nobody wanted for 20 years hoping people would just get used to it eventually
>>65616828Afghani incompetence is not a loss for the US. Russia lost because they lost to competent Afghanis, the US lost because of incompetent Afghanis.Amazing how things change in a few decades, isn’t it?
The Germans see the Soviets and realize they are comrades in the same struggle. The only arms taken up are against the Western imperialists.(This post was checked and approved by the MfS)
>>65611964Yeah. Modern Germs may have the tech edge but doesn't matter because 79 USSR can saturate and of course use unconventional weapons. Does the Bundeswehr eve have enough Air to air missiles to take out the entirely of the Soviet air force?
Modern-day Germany would have some weapons that would be extremely hard to counter by the Soviets, but it doesn’t matter because if Soviets just zerg rushed Germany with tacit understanding and acceptance that they will initially get disproportionate losses in air war, extremely painful blows from PGMs etc., they could do it. Bundeswehr just doesn’t have the numbers when one side has near-endless number of shitboxes and ”liberators” to sacrifice.
>>65618759>child east germansIt says a lot that you only ever see soviet prop like this with the very young. Too young in fact to know anything but what the soviet installed teachers taught them from a young age
>>65613077>it took the americans decades to get thermonuclear implosion warheads rightNth country took 3 years and it was 3 guys in a shed.
>>65612739because all the paper is always lies in countries like the soviet union
>>65616828>It was pretty much the same reason as to why America + NATO also lost in Afghanistan.No, America lost, because there was no way to win. Nobody knew why they were there, including the people making the decisions.
>>65612553How did the Taliban reconquer half of Afghanistan during one of the peaks of Coalition deployment in the country? How did they manage to mount daily ambushes against the ANA and coalition forces? How did they manage to achieve a positive KDR with nothing but small arms? It seems like wh*toids can't into war
>>65620232>Nobody knew why they were thereI'm old enough to remember Democraps screeching about how we "owe" it to the Afghans/Iraqis to rebuild their country whenever we suggested going home
>>65611964bro wtfThe 1980s Soviet army was the bestest of all time.This is such a dumb question...
>>65611964Ok, so is east Germany fighting for Gemany or for the soviet union?What is this retarded bullshit scenario?
>>65621248Idk, I never saw anyone say that outside of State Department control freak bureaucrats.
>>65616828Allowing the fags of russia to force us to close manas AFB was a terribly retarded decision.
>>65611964Current Germany would lose to the Baltics. Italy. Fucking Portugal.
>>65622482You're rating the Baltics, Italy and Portugal way too highly. Lithuania for example has like 1/6th the strength of Germany iirc
