As much as I would love to see it I doubt it.

>>65610542
The philippines has money and *could* afford it in an alternate reality, the reason everyone is broke and the government barely works is that the entire country is run by like 3 families and those families singlehandedly control all the wealth and they have their own ideas on how to use it, so instead of reinvesting it locally on infrastructure or public education or development projects they buy assets abroad because they've found they get a better ROI that way and as a result nobody believes there's a future there and anyone who can get out does and anyone with any money immediately invests it in foreign real estate and foreign business ventures instead of trying to start a local business because any local business will instantly be mafia'd into oblivion by corruption

People talk all kinds of shit about "command economies" and pretend that it exclusively describes communism but really it's the logical end game of oligarchy and plutocracy, too much in the hands of too few results in a zero sum mentality that poisons society and guarantees that everyone will be running for the exits and stabbing their neighbor in the back to get there first

tl;dr this won't happen, but it's not because of a lack of money

>>65610466
>5th gen
lol, it's 4th gen at most

>>65610466
Window shopping again. Why don't they get those F-16s first.

>>65610466
>The 4.5 will be sniping 5th gens, including one specifically designed for long-range BVR
Or do you seriously believe the Block III will enjoy any export success whatsoever?

>>65610466
They aren't cheap

>>65610466
It has exactly 0.001% chances of survival

>>65611403
>Or do you seriously believe the Block III will enjoy any export success whatsoever?
I don't even think Block III will exist outside of a handful of prototypes.

Idgaf give me a soft bisaya lady boy gf or I'll kill myself tonight

>>65611805
Chances are it'll have a production run as extensive as the Su-57, and there are more J-35s built than Su-57s despite the former only entering service last year.

>>65611922
I doubt it.

AFAIK the current plan was to upgrade 1/4 to 1/2 of the Block II ROKAF fleet into Block III.

As they can't afford to waste time/money to retool the production line if they expect to sell the Block I/II on the export market.

I bet they upgrade 2-4 Block II airframes as prototypes, do flight tests, then pivot the rest of the budget into their unmanned programs or buying more Block II jets.

>>65611884
remember to aim under the brain stem

>>65610466
With WHAT fucking money?
>t.actual Flip

>>65611397
>Window shopping again. Why don't they get those F-16s first.
Fuck off back to /pol/ indog. Don't you have a government to shill??

>>65612367
Post hole and hanging balls from the back my sweet

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>>65612390
Nah, but have this neat gif instead

>>65610466
They wouldn't be able to maintain them for longer than a year or two, but that year when they can just straight up go toe to toe with anything China could throw at them from the seas would be glorious.

>>65610466
The Philippines are GOAT in window shopping but not actually buying shit.

They can proclaim they'll buy 40 F-35Bs and nothing will happen, their politicians and generals prefer personally enriching themselves and their clan over national security.

I think in a SHTF scenario, flips expect the US air force and navy to do most of the heavy lifting and establish air superiority and patrol Philippine skies. That's why the MRF's are such a low priority for them

>>65610466
Korean stuff is selling like hot bibimbaps in SEA. Westoids and Chikoids better step up their game or Samsnug will be official Military Supplier of ASEAN.

>>65614432
Only a handful of Korean vehicles sell well on the international arms market, usually the Thunder and Black Panther.

>>65614291
>flips expect the US air force and navy to do most of the heavy lifting and establish air superiority and patrol Philippine skies
And yet they plan to buy more planes. US is a fucking unreliable allies.

If china declare war to the flips, i bet that some retard in charge of the us is going to make excuse to abandon them.

>>65614489
>i bet that some retard in charge of the us is going to make excuse to abandon them.
Oh they will, no one in America will die for the Philippines no matter the political party.

no i don't think the philpines can aford it. and it would never happen as they already bearly out fit their own millitary only Vietnam i can see actually feilding some.

>>65610781
you ned proof dor that which you americans never show. becuase its classified so its another way of saying bullshit.

>>65617272
>you ned proof dor that which you americans never show. becuase its classified so its another way of saying bullshit.
What the fuck are you talking about?

4th gen, 4.5th gen, and 5th gen are all well known/established generations that are in no way classified in the broad sense.

We can easily look at the KF-21 and tell it's a 4.5th gen jet, not 5th gen. Nothing classified about it.

>>65617272
>Philippines GDP $512.22 billion
>Vietnam GDP $527.26 billion
They are basically the same.

>>65614988
Thank God

>>65614988
The thing no one wants you or more importantly China to know is the US isn't going to war with a nuclear power over Taiwan either.
There have been plenty of chances for nuclear powers to war with eachother over the last 80 years and no one wants to risk it.

Best case for Taiwan they get the Biden Ukraine treatment, worst case they get the Trump Ukraine treatment.

>>65614988
Who the fuck wants to fight for the Philippines? Not even the Filipinos want to fight for the Philippines.

>>65617795
The second Taiwan starts to get invaded we simply JDAM the fuck out of TSMC, that way the chinks can’t have it, nobody actually cares about Taiwan we just care about TSMC and they are opening factories in the US so we literally don’t need Taiwan anymore, we just have to ensure the complete destruction of their factories when it kicks off

>>65617916
>nobody actually cares about Taiwan
China does, it controls a lot of their coastline.

>>65617924
Taiwan controls China's coastline? Didn't know Taiwan had a massive navy.

>>65617933
You're pretending to be retarded, right?

>>65610466
>*Your bro eyes up a girl from across the bar*
>"heh, I expect to see some children in a year or two"
Mf'ers need to learn to stop acting like this shit is already happening when they are still being handed the brochures.

>>65617935
Don't word your statement in a retarded fashion and I won't mock it, dipshit.

>>65617924
Like I said, nobody actually cares about Taiwan

>>65617940
>Taiwan is in a strategically important location for both the defense and offense of the chinese mainland
Is that better?

>>65617947
I think the US does care because it gives them bases close to China if anything ever happens, same reason they put missiles in Turkey and the USSR put them in Cuba.
That said I don't think they care enough to risk direct war with China but a competent admin would offer a lot of support to Taiwan in the hope they hold out.

>>65617956
Taiwan's position in the "first island chain" is largely academic from the standpoint of a prospective Sino-American war due to the US not having any real elements stationed there, and Taiwan itself certainly isn't going to take advantage of its geographical position to retake the mainland for the glory of the Republic.

>>65610466
It won't be 5th gen until block 3 at the earliest, and even then there's current no guarantee it will be any better than faux stealth platforms like the SU57 and J20.

>>65617993
There is really no guarantee block 3 happens at all. The ROKAF hasn't placed any orders, unlike with both block 1 and 2 airframes which have had firm orders for a while now.

>>65617993
"Faux stealth" is what the KF-21 currently is, a 4.5 with 5th generation characteristics. That could also arguably be said of the Su-57 but are we seriously still comparing the Felon to the J-20 in the big 2026?

>>65610466
I am so sick of hearing of this thing when they haven't even gotten the internal weapons bay working after years of developments.

>>65618076
Are you old enough the first decade of the F-35?
Shits hard and things go wrong, smart countries admit there are problems, allocate more funding and fix them. Stupid countries fake the reports, say everything is fine and go to war with shit that doesn't work.

>>65618081
SOME problems are hard IWB is a no brainer

>>65618076
>when they haven't even gotten the internal weapons bay working after years of developments
Wat?

IWB was always a Block 3 objective.

They're currently shipping Block 1 and are transitioning to Block 2 soon. It'll be years before Block 3 is ready, if ever.

The current Block 1 and Block 2 baseline is already about as good as it gets for a 4.5th gen, especially since it has recessed undercarriage missiles unlike all other 4.5th gen fighters which have missiles hanging off traditional hardpoints/pylons.

>>65618089
>IWB is a no brainer
Lol you're just wrong on this.

Having an IWB that can open/close quickly/reliably AT supersonic speeds is incredibly challenging.

>>65618095
Its a fucking door that opens up and protrudes pilons that then release the missile.
Some idiot could get there with trial and error you dont even need math.
>muh stealth
Missiles arent stealth and neither at the f22 and f35 weapons bays. You can see the exposed wires and pipes whenever they open them up.

>>65618114
You're just wrong and retarded. Thanks for playing.

>>65618114
NTA but get on youtube and look up bomb drop test footage for all the times unknown aerodynamics pushed bombs back up into the wing after dropping from the pylon. Then consider how much worse it is when it's going from a shielded bay and falling into the airflow.

>>65618114
At supersonic speeds, air rushing under the jet forms a high-pressure boundary layer. If you simply "drop" a missile, the airflow under the fuselage creates a force vector that can push the missile back up into the plane or turn it sideways before its engine ignites.

Opening doors against supersonic air resistance requires massive hydraulic force without warping the door panels, disturbing air intakes, or throwing off the plane's flight stability.

Because gravity won't work, IWBs require high-energy, heavy-duty pneumatic/hydraulic ejector racks (like the LAU-142/A on the F-22) that punch the missile out of the bay at ~25 feet per second to clear the boundary layer before the missile ignites.

>>65618119
Missiles are self propelled dumbass

>>65618124
>turn it sideways before its engine ignites
Why the fuck would the pylon let go of it before it ignites?
Why would the missile (most of which are made to hypersonic specs) be disturbed by supersonic speeds
>hydraulic force without warping the door panels,
You're making it seem like control surfaces were never figured out. Have you thought to think of how jets navigate at supersonic speeds without their wings/control surfaces "warping"?
>plane's flight stability
This is a very simple math equation I could think up of a few ways to have the jet compensate or brace for it with software alone to the point the pilot would feel nothing at all.
>IWBs require high-energy
We have EV motors with instant torque and missiles are self propelled anyways all you have to do is stick it outside.

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>>65618270
this is dunning-kruger the post

>>65618270
Are you just trying to be as wrong as possible or something?

> Why the fuck would the pylon let go of it before it ignites?
You can't ignite missiles inside an IWB, this kills the aircraft.
Air-to-air missiles carried internally must be forcibly ejected away from the fuselage before the motor ignites.
Rail-launched missiles (where the engine ignites while attached, like on an F-16 wingtip) are only safe on external hardpoints where rocket plume can freely expand behind the wing without cooking the airframe.

>Why would the missile (most of which are made to hypersonic specs) be disturbed by supersonic speeds
Aircraft fuselage creates a high-pressure, high-velocity "boundary layer" of air. Below the bay is fast-moving free-stream air, but inside the open bay, the air is turbulent and recirculating. As a missile moves out of the bay, its nose enters fast-moving external air while its tail is still trapped inside the low-velocity bay cavity. This massive pressure differential exerts a violent torque (a "pitch-up" or "pitch-down" moment) that can flip the missile sideways or smash it back into the bottom of the jet before its fins can aerodynamically stabilize it. Being able to withstand Mach 4 in steady, forward flight does not prevent a missile from tumbling if you drop it sideways into a wall of air rushing by at Mach 1.5.

> You're making it seem like control surfaces were never figured out.
Control surfaces absolutely warp under high dynamic pressure. Managing flex, flutter, and thermal expansion is one of the most difficult challenges in modern wing design. Bay doors are long, thin, hinged panels. When opened at Mach 1.2+, they act like giant speed brakes subjected to asymmetrical aerodynamic loads. If a door warps by even a fraction of an inch, it can jam the hydraulic mechanical hinges.

>>65618270
>This is a very simple math equation I could think up of a few ways to have the jet compensate or brace for it with software alone to the point the pilot would feel nothing at all.
Flight control computers maintain stability by moving control surfaces (elevons, rudders, canards). But control surfaces have physical limits on how fast they can act and how much force they can exert. Software cannot stop an acoustic wave inside the bay from violently vibrating delicate circuit boards to death. Software reacts to sensor input after an aerodynamic disturbance occurs. If a shockwave off an open bay door causes a sudden localized pressure drop that stalls an engine intake, no flight-control software can instantly manifest thrust that isn't there.

> We have EV motors with instant torque and missiles are self propelled anyways all you have to do is stick it outside.
EV motors require heavy copper windings, heavy permanent magnets, and massive battery drain. Aircraft weapons release systems must be extremely lightweight. Modern stealth fighters use a specialized multi-stage pneumatic piston to slam a 350 lb missile downward at over 25 feet per second with a force of 40 Gs in under a fraction of a second. It must punch through the boundary layer cleanly. An electric motor/gearbox mechanism doing that would weigh thousands of pounds and fail to meet the required force-time curve.

>>65618005
Yes. If it has more return than the nighthawk it's not stealth.

>>65614988
At this point, I don't think the US would even defend Hawaii anymore if it was attacked.

>>65618377
>You can't ignite missiles inside an IWB, this kills the aircraft.
the pylon extends no shit retard what do you think i was talking about
>This massive pressure differential exerts a violent torque (a "pitch-up" or "pitch-down" moment) that can flip the missile sideways or smash it back into the bottom of the jet before its fins
You're making it seem like pilons are alien tech. Just hold the fucking thing down and it wont move.
>Bay doors are long, thin, hinged panels
just like... tail fins? woah!
>Software cannot stop an acoustic wave
acoustic waves are easily attenuated to near zero through modeling software
>Software reacts to sensor input after an aerodynamic
it can be anticipated the second you hit the IWB switch
You're making it seem like its impossible to model the weapons bay to produce neutral drag according to the jet's specs heck you could even throw in moving parts in the bay if you want to refine it further
>EV motors require heavy copper windings
It's a certain amount of force for literally miliseconds. A standard tesla motor with a battery to spec for max payload/number of missles with the right gearing could match the f22's hydraulic system in both speed, weight, and volume

>>65618750
Then you flat out retarded.

>>65619099
>Thinking Uncle Sam is going to lift a finger to save your seditious, libtard ass
You want independence fatso, you're going to have to enforce it with those guns you threw into the ocean because you decided to ignore the 2nd

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>>65610582
So then aren't the 3 families picking a next gen fighter? Are they cucks to China or are they Filipino "nationalists"? I guarantee it's the cheaper option between that and F-35. I don't know a lot about planes but I do know SOMEBODY will get money for a 5th gen fighter because then a chunk of it can come back to the families in the form of kickbacks and stock.

>>65614465
So just their current gen MBT and 155mm SPARTY?

>>65617991
My fear is that we will end up getting false flagged into a conflict with China.

>>65617766
properganda no proof at al and that line has been over said a few times.
there is nothing 4,.5 gen about it.

the eurofighter is a 4.5 gen, thje gripen is the rafle is but the KF21

now your stretching it bit too far eglin.

>>65617772
not by land mass or population wealth gap
and that's a better number then GDP

also the phipines has never had advanced fighters and doesn't have any experience using them.

if they are same how come no one is shilling towards them?

>>65618005
see >>65619270

but where is the rcs metric to back up the caims of non 5th gen standard
they where literally helped by lockheed martian
and literaly using the same engineers as the F22 had,

even built on a simular airframe.
even the paint is rader aborbing

what so bad that keeps the KF21 as forth gen?

stealth wasn't always nessary see f35 beast mode

>>65618270

"HELLO EVERYONE I AM FROM AMERICA" the post.

>>65619077
>the pylon extends no shit retard what do you think i was talking about
You have zero clue what you're talking about and it shows. You're mixing external wing hardpoint plyons with internal weapon bay stations and just think they behave identically because you clearly have an incredibly basic understanding of physics and aerodynamics.

> You're making it seem like pilons are alien tech. Just hold the fucking thing down and it wont move.
See above, that's not how a fucking internal weapons bay works.

> just like... tail fins? woah!
No, not at all like tail fins. Tail fins and bay doors operate under completely different structural and aerodynamic mechanics.Tail fins are streamlined airfoils designed to have smooth, symmetrical airflow on both sides. A bay door has high-pressure, Mach 1+ free-stream air blasting against its outside surface, while turbulent, low-pressure air swirls on its inside surface. That pressure differential creates extreme torsional twisting forces that a tail fin never experiences.

> acoustic waves are easily attenuated to near zero through modeling software
Software allows engineers to design physical countermeasures (like active fluidic spoilers, sawtooth bay edges, or physical acoustic baffles). But software itself cannot magically cancel out air molecules vibrating violently enough to fracture metal joints.

> it can be anticipated the second you hit the IWB switch
>You're making it seem like its impossible to model the weapons bay to produce neutral drag according to the jet's specs heck you could even throw in moving parts in the bay if you want to refine it further
No retard, I'm saying it's incredibly challening and takes years of testing and specialized development, something you're claiming any moron can do with trial and error without any math.

>>65619077
>>65620168
> It's a certain amount of force for literally miliseconds. A standard tesla motor with a battery to spec for max payload/number of missles with the right gearing could match the f22's hydraulic system in both speed, weight, and volume
The F-22’s launcher weighs 115 lbs and uses compressed gas boosted by hydraulics to punch a missile out at 27 ft/s at ~40 Gs in under a fraction of a second.
A tesla motor unit weighing ~200 lbs alone, plus the inverter, cooling jacket, gear set, and high-discharge capacitor/battery. Doing this for 4–6 bays would add thousands of pounds to the jet.


Again, you just clearly don't know what you're talking about and you're just making it more obvious with every post you make.

Why am I Filipino

Why would we even get new jets

We keep crashing the ones we already have

Mabuhay

Love from Quezon City

>>65619281
Buddy, it doesn't even have internal weapon bays, and sticking your missiles onto external pylons is really, really bad for stealth.

>>65620169
>>65620168
You literally talk like an AI and forgot the context of the conversation we've been having. Yes all of this is possible and ive done the math ill leave it at that unless you want to revise what ive said and either stop making strawmans or being retarded and try to understand what im saying.

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>>65620201
lol lmao even

You're talking about fucking pylons in an internal weapons bay, you're retarded, and then you want to accuse me of being AI.

Kill yourself, genuinely.

>ITT: Filthy commie chinks underestimate the strength of the US/Philippine alliance.

Also, Flipland is a nation of 117 million. It can absorb much more casualties than Ukraine

>>65620481
China hasn't been communist for decades, McCarthyist. Also the Philippines really just uses the US as an attack dog to hide behind and in return Americans get, I dunno, Jollibee and underpaid nurses.

>>65620539
Also willing partners for the aging and balding male demographic, can't forget that.

>>65610466
Did they find Marcos' money?

>>65612367
flood control funds

>>65621247
"Willing" may be stretching it a bit, but you gotta do what you gotta do for that green card.

>>65617272
> only Vietnam i can see actually feilding some
Vietnam's not going to buy or even consider this jet, as it uses a US-made engine and it's maintenance and repair operations (MRO) differs from that of the Russian jets

They would have to manage two supply lines and this also isn't including the difference in doctrine and how you can use the South Korean aircraft.

Vietnam is much more likely to see a Su-57 flying over head by the end of the decade than the KF-21

>>65623486
>
No one's buyung russian made junk for another 50 years lmao

filipino twinks deserve my AWC(average white cock)

>>65623561
Why do /k/etizens post their thinly veiled gay fantasies?