2026... I'm forgotten
it was never remembered in the first place
This is precisely what happens when nu style gun owners demand a world where the only available calibers are>5.56>7.62>9x19New and potentially interesting things get quickly obscured.
>>65610117Diminishing returns and “good enough” work together like soap and water. The niches are adequately filled.
>>656099497mm backcunny
>>65610117Sorry to hear that. I'm guessing you were an early adopter of this, right?
>>656099497mm cartridges are in this weird spot where precision shooters love these cartridges, but anyone not into precision shooting has no reason to ever care about it.
>>656102317mm Mauser was a popular military cartridge back in its day, but outside of that 7mm never really seemed to catch onThen again, outside of 9mm, Americans hate any cartridge that wasn't made by them
>>65610117No one does this, people just hate spending money and NPC calibers are expensive enough before we get into hipster shit. If you enjoy shooting you are inherently averse to expensive wildcat bs, it's hard enough when a trip to the range costs $50 let alone $150.
>>65610244I like every cartridge ever made and I'm American...
>>65610117sorry i missed the point in history when your average joe was buying obscure calibers left and right which led to this diverse boom of ammunition choice that you're alluding to
>>65610231I don’t care what anyone says I have been a long time 7mm Rem Mag enjoyer and 7mm BC was an objective improvement over it in every way but recoil. Rem Mag Chads should be switching over to it. The issue is the recoil though. Most hunters even out west consider a shot past 450 to be about the limit of what an ethical shot will be based on flight time. The Back Country addresses that by arriving at a target 500 yards away almost a quarter of a second faster. That means less wind drift and less chance of a deer or elk moving and botching the shot. The cost is an admittedly gnarly kick in the shoulder. Most buyers will choose comfort over performance Im afraid.
>>65609949Forgotten? It literally isn’t even on shelves yet. Plus peak 6.5 creed will kill it though imo.
>>65610270Yes you did miss it because you're only like 20 years old
>>65609949>barrel life measured in dozens of roundsan answer to a question that no one asked
>>65609955>the whole Lazzaroni lineYeah.
>>65610244>7mm MauserIt became the .257 Roberts an almost perfect sweetspot, and still not good enough.
>>65610914I remember lol
>7mm Backcountry>1.23mm Smalltown>4.20mm Redstate>4.6mm MAGA
>>65610244Well you don't see a ton of Europeans stan-ing for American cartridges either
>>65610922I mean, he tried nd did not fail. But ...yawn.
>>65610117post the calibers you own rn
>>65610117>>65610868>>65610270The civilian market has always overwhelmingly been whatever cartridges were being mass produced for military use and .22's. No, there was never ever a time where .472x34 or .42069mm or whatever fuckass hipster cartridge your autistic special interest is focused on was popular.
>>65610934Nta: .17hmr, .22lr, .22wrm, .32acp, 9x18, 9x19, .38/.357, .44RemMag, .219B, .22CM, .223, .308Win, .30-06, .35Rem, .358Win, .375Win, .45/70, 9.3x62, 20ga, 12ga, 10ga ...I think that's everybody, lol.
>>65610948>there was never ever a time where .472x34 or .42069mm or whatever fuckass hipster cartridge your autistic special interest is focused on was popular.9.3x62 is well over 100yo and was never a military cartridge, your lack of awareness does not mean it wasn't popular.
>>65610955>Ntathen why would you reply? im specifically asking HIM because he made the statement. fucking idiot.
>>65610966>literally who: the cartridge
>>65610971B U T T H U R T
>>65610995izzat restored, well done.
>>65610973>literally ignorant of safaris and colonization
>>65611000thank you
>>65610971Jelly? Lol.
>>65610966Oh you're a euro Go away, gun owners are talking
>>65611045Dipshit.
>>65610934Let's see, 7.62 NATO, Kalash, and tokarev, 38 super and special, 357 mag, 25 ACP, 12ga, 9x19, 5.56, and 22lr. Also 44 caliber round ball if you want to count that. Then again I've been significantly thinning out my collection, at one point or another I've had 44 mag and special, 45 ACP and Long Colt, 40 swishers and welfare, 10mm, 7x57, 8x57, 7.65 Argentine, 303 brit, 6.5 Arisaka, and 300 win mag
>>65610270Yeah because you panic bought your first gun during the scamdemic.
>>65609949Wildcats using unobtanium cases and proprietary propellants will never take off because reloaders are the only ones who care about them.
>>65611052Your ownership of an obscure cartridge still doesn't prove that thesis correct, please try to use your brain for five seconds. The claim is that modern civilian preference for common cartridges is what's hampering development and adoption of newer ones. Prove that gun owners in the past had a wider variety of cartridges available to them on the basis that the average civilian shooter had less of a preference for common cartridges back then.
>>65610244>but outside of that 7mm never really seemed to catch onAnon, are you forgetting .270 Winchester?
>>65611689Do your own homework. I owe you nothing.
>>65611977Why? You made the claim, the onus of proof is on you. This is just a tacit concession that you can't
>>65610934Nta but380, .36, 380, 38 special, 38 special +P, .357, .22, 5.56, .308, 300 win mag, 9mm, 7.62x54r, 12 gauge, .410, 45lc, .50, 38 colt, (love me 38s), I think thats it
>>65610934>>65612049Oh fuck, forgot 25acp and marlin 444
>>65611689The 80s-early 90s was the sweet spot for cartridge choice as the obsolete stuff from pre-WW2 hadn't fully shifted to collectable status yet but you still had the post-WW2 developments kicking around the market even if they never really took off, alongside the more recent shifts in handguns and modern sporting rifles. Then the AWB and Saturday Night Special laws gimped selection as the oldest viable firearms started exiting circulation and market forces revealed which calibers didn't have a commercial future.
>>65612042Not him but you're demanding quite a lot of labor from him, like a black person's restaurant order
>>65611689You're a faggot
>>65612058no the nigger is the one who says things like "do your own homework" when making unsubstantiated claims
>>65612049>No .22 lrNever trust a "man" that doesn't own at least one .22r
>>65610934chad reporting in22lr, 380acp, 38spl/357mag, 45acp, 45-70govt, 5.56no i never did get a 35 whelen. aight imma head out
>>65612077Oh fuck, I forgot that tooTaurus, beretta, ruger, and savage
>>65612149it ok anon i forgot i had a 12ga
>>65612042>but umm, ackshually, reddit saysShut up nigger
>>65612153Man cant live without a 12 and a 22
>>65612158
>>65612162If there is a paradise, im going to open my eyes and its gonna be me and my childhood friend walking through the woods with a ruger 10/22 and an H&R single shot 12 gauge
>>65612162Look at that goofy little face
>>65612071>unsubstantiated claims>>65612071>the niggerMy God you are insufferable.https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/the-surprising-93x62-rifle-cartridge
Love shooting my 1912 rifle and 1935 Chilean carbine. It's close, but 7mm is second only to 6.5 swede for mausers
>>65612214>posting the history of one cartridge proves that postyeah you are nigger tier retarded. just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
>>65612223All Chilean Mausers are great, in fact all the south American nations ordered top of the line firearms back in the day, no expense spared. They weren't manufactured under the duress of a mayor conflict so they got the best workmanship and finishing.The 1935 Chilean police Mauser is like a top of the line, prewar K98k
>>65612223I LOVE shooting my 1909 cavalry carbine in 7.65x53, firm but not punishing
>>65610244>7mm-08
>>65612242Take the L.
>>65612289the zoomer will reply with the niggerbabble slang of his generation when he can no longer articulate his thoughts
>>65612170based>>65612181BLAMMO!!!!
>>65611707>>65612284let me be more specificaside from 7x57, 7mm cartridges have not seemed to catch on with either military or law enforcementgranted, the .270 and to a lesser extent the 7mm-08 have been successful hunting rounds, but only for hunting; and most gun owners today don't hunt
>>65611021> boohoo the Europeans did to us what we did to our neighboring tribes but they did it better, boohoo! >>65611689This dude's basically right. Yes, there were eras where people went hog-wild making random bullshit wildcats, but they were never popular enough for widespread civilian purchase and usage for them to have staying power, with *maybe* a handful of exceptions over 200 years. >>65612056Basically yes. All these extremely cheap firearms flooding the market and people went hog-wild with testing. Now, it's a hell of a lot more expensive to fuck around with a new cartridge even counting CNC machines (and discounting the up-front cost). The drop of the AWB and similar laws make it easier to buy, convert, and test new calibers because suddenly not only was the market flooded with ARs (proverbially) but people started sharing their data as well as standardizing testing procedures.
>>65612333>more specific"The problem" with the 7mm, at laest prior to 1995 was always the bullets. They were used in 7-30 Waters all the way up to 7mmRemMag and were often the same construction across the range. Not enough expansion or fragmentation. In .30 cal the .30-30 FPs, 110gns dedicted to .30Carb and the 150s to the .30-06 very standard stuff. The projectile manufacturers like Berger, Swift and Barnes found thier niches and the corps followed.
>>65612350>pedantic knife fag leaves containment general>more to follow...
>>65612354It's funny you think I'm some newfag who only started posting to /k/ recently. But please, rather than shitting in your hands and flinging it like the screeching monkey everyone thinks you are, maybe make an actual argument and defend it like a civilized human being in a first world country?
>>65610117>New and potentially interesting things get quickly obscured.There's nothing new or interesting about 7mm Backcountry or 6.8 WESTERN or any of these other new meme hunting rounds. These cartridges exist so Federal and Hornady etc can get people to buy new rifles and cash in on the the long range hunting craze and the glut of new hunters ruining public land out west because of Texans and Californians colonizing the Rockies. Actually innovative and interesting cartridges, that fill a niche that wasn't already occupied, or simply do it better, DO take off. 300 blackout, 6.5 sneedmoar and 300 legend are all recent cartridges that have been big hits for this reason.
>>65612359It's funny you think I think about you at all.
>>65610621>Most hunters even out west consider a shot past 450 to be about the limit of what an ethical shot will be based on flight time. The Back Country addresses that by arriving at a target 500 yards away almost a quarter of a second faster.FFS just kill it with a drone at that point, how is shooting an animal the next county over that you never even get close to an enjoyable hunt?
>>65612369Cared enough to respond to me but not actually argue the point. Sounds like you're deflecting because you don't have an actual argument besides "nuh uh!" Stay mad/ >>65612361One could also argue Swift if you squint. I'd say 6mm ARC / PRC are too niche to consider them "popular" but that shit's too annoying for my blood.
>>65612353I don't understand, why would 7mm bullets get less expansion and fragmentation compared to .308 bullets? Wouldn't the smaller diameter bullet have an easier time expanding or fragmenting?
>>65612477There's a lot to bullet construction, anon. Jacket thickness ect. It's not a one size fits all thing.Someone smarter than I am on this will soon chime in to elaborate further
>>65610955Forgot 9x17 aka .380
>>65610934.22lr .380acp9mm.40s&w.45acp.38spcl.357mag5.56mm.30-06.303brit7.5mm swiss20ga12ga
>>65612376It's been a thing for a long time. Back when I first got into shooting, "beanfield rifles" were the big hunting trend. Basically imagine a bolt action varmint rifle with a heavy barrel, wide forearm, high magnification scope, etc. except it's chambered in some kind of flat shooting 7mm or .30 cal magnum round instead of .22-250 or whatever. Guys would plop their fat asses in a tree stand on the edge of a bean field (hence the name) and shoot durr at several hundred yards. The guy who started the trend was named Kenny Jarrett and he bragged about taking deer at like 1,000 yards or something like that. Oh yeah, that was the other thing. Retards would pay exorbitant prices for a gin-u-wine Bean Field Rifle built by this guy when you could get a nearly identical precision rifle built by any number of well regarded gunsmiths for a fraction of the price. I believe a fully kitted out one was well over $10,000 in the late 90s-early 2000s.
>>65612376>dronenigger utterly astounded at the idea of enjoying shooting.
>>65610934>12 gauge>20 gauge>7.92x57>.30-30>8x56r>7.62x54r>7.7x58>7.5x55>.22LR>7.65x53I think I'm forgetting 1 or 2
>>65610934.22LR, .32ACP .380ACP, 9mm Makarov, 9x19mm, .40S&W, .45ACP, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .351SL(R), .223/5.56x45, .300 Blackout, 7.62x39, .30-40 Krag, .35 Rem, .308/7.62x51, 7.5 Swiss, 7.5 French, 8x56R, 8x57 Mauser, 7.62x54R, 12 Gauge, and probably a few more I'm forgetting.Krillin won.
>>65612524>8x60 Kropatschek >7.62x39I knew I forgot a couple
>>65612376>t. never hiked above treeline
>>65612646>351SL(R),This is new to me.
>>65610117>mfw Grendel is still being used and also competitive at extreme long range shooting despite the number of other niche calibers that have been released for this purpose in the last twenty years Feels weird for some reason.
>>65610621>improvement over it in every way>7mm mag is overbore>let go more overbore!
>>65612768based and Grendelpilled. Currently building a Howa chassis in 6.5 right now, hopefully it'll be ready in time for rifle season
>>65610265Your trips to the range only cost 50$?Are you firing 22 lr or something?
>>65612361This. Ty anon
>>65612771>'Barrel life is a myth,' the .28 Nosler man assures himself while watching his groups expand every time he fires his rifle.
>>65610244>7mm Mauser was a popular military cartridge back in its day, but outside of that 7mm never really seemed to catch on.270 is probably the most popular centerfire hunting cartridge on earth you idiot. Which is why no one needed OPs shit.
>>65612929>the most popular centerfire hunting cartridge on earthBut enough about 243
>>65609955Sure you do, it was just called something else
>>65612931No that is just ioved. 270 (which is a 7mm) is worldwide the undesputed number one game centrefire cartridge. No one needed or wanted OPs shit.
>>65612270Immensely based and correct Anon. People lose their shit for k98k's when South American mausers exist in a better caliber and better fit and finish.
>>65609949Didn't even know it existed till this post
>>65610934NTA but .22LR, 5.56 NATO, .303 british, .308 WIN, .30-06, .30-40 Krag, 9mm, 12 Gauge.
>>65612929>.270 is probably the most popular centerfire hunting cartridge on earth you idiot. Which is why no one needed OPs shit..270 is a 6.8 cartridge. .284 is real 7mm.
>>65610244We hated the 9mm for a good 80 to 90 years
>>65614191True, but now it's at the point where everybody outside hipsters disregard everything but 9mm
>>65609949>2026... I'm forgotten7mm STW, 7MM RUM, 7mm Firebird, et al.
This thread is forgotten.
>>6561093422lr, 17hmr, 22wmr, 380acp, 9mm, 10mm, 45 acp, 38 special, 357mag, 45 colt, 30 carbine, 5.56 nato, 6.5 grendel, 7.62x39, 6.5 jap, 260 remington, 308 winchester, 7x57 mauser, 6.5x55 swedish, 303 British, 7.62x54r, 7.7 Jap, 30-06 Springfield, 8mm Mauser, 300 winchester magnum, 6.5-300 weatherby magnum, 410ga, 20 ga, 12ga. 50cal muzzleloader, 54cal muzzleloader.
>>65614191>>65614213Modern ballistics have caught up a lot since even just the 90s, specifically in the USA. But as far as 9mm caught it, it also got left in the dust by the "boomers" and nu-boomer rounds in terms of power. .460 Rowland and .40 Super blast through 40-50 inches of clear ballistic gel from a 5 inch barrel. .22 TCM defeats 3a soft armor from a 5 inch barrel and is the only common loading to do so with a standard soft nose bullet. Standard .38 Super is more powerful than 95% of 9x19 +P loads. A strong .40 SW load has the same or slightly more energy than the mid-range 10mm Auto loads. The niche/shadow market will always thrive in the USA.
>>65610934.22lr, 12ga, 7.62x39, 6.5x55se and 10.4 Vetterli, and at work I use 5.56 and 7.62 Nato
>>65614191>>65614213Pistol cartridges are so inneffective at actually incapacitating things that the only real concern one has in selecting a cartridge is cost and compatibility. It's not really to it's credit
>>65618724You would rather have a 10mm auto than a 9mm in brown bear country, every time.
>>65618789>You would rather have a 10mm auto than a 9mm in brown bear countryLol I would rather have a 10mm auto than a 9mm in a brown people country let alone among large wild quadrupeds
>>65618526Nice.
>>65618526Do need to update my display though.
>>65618608>9mm cope floodLike clockwork
>>65619316I would collect all the quarter bores. Weird, I know.>.25-20, .25-35, .250 Savage, .257 Roberts, .25-06, .257 Weatherby
>>65610231>>65610244>>65612929>>65612931>>65612934>7mm cartridges7mm-08 is probably the best overall medium range hunting cartridge, and widely used/availablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0cr1PubV6o
>>65622981NTA, cool. Just the historical ones or the new ones too (.25 WSSM, .25 WSM, .25 Creedmoor, etc.)
>>65623315I woul thrown in the moderns, as I literally remembered the .25WSSM after posting, and the .25CM has no shit upon it.
>>65623149>best overall medium range hunting cartridgeFor what, rabbits or grizzly bear? Your blanket generalization lacks the required specificity for suitable relevance. I know this is "only 4 chan", but step up your "game", haha.
>>65617682I will never forget the cartridges that had no "fault" except not fitting in an AR
>>65624509We're gonna cave your head in with a soup ladle
>>65624675If it can't fit in the world's only relevant rifle, then it's shit, simple as
>>65624887You are a cancer to the gun world
>>65610117x39 is dead
>>65624675>>65624887>>65624902isn't 7mm blacked country a hunting ground? Why would it need to fit in an AR?
>>65610934.22lr (I've shot .22 short out of that gun and I've never seen .22 long in my life), .223/5.56, 12 gauge
>>65612929>.270 is probably the most popular centerfire hunting cartridge on earthno, first off 12 gauge or .22lrsecondly, I'd have to assume .308, .30-06 and .30-30 mog any other hunting round in sales in the US
blackfire
cucky gunner
>>65612929nobody outside of the u.s. uses 270nobody under 60 in the u.s. uses 270 either>>65624932>22lr>centerfire6.5 sneedmore is more popular than 308, 30-06 is relatively obscure outside of boomer circles, and 30-30 might as well not exist
>>65624939>>22lr>>centerfireI missed the word centerfire when reading the postalso see>>65624934 and >>65624935and cucky gunner straight up said the majority of .30-06 loads they sell are specifically Garand loads and not hunting loads
>>65624923So dead that it still sells and is still readily available
>>65624923Buddy I don't think you understand what dead looks like. 7.62 Kalash is still easily found at nearly any shop that sells ammo aside from Wally world. Dead is something like 7mm mauser or 6.5 Arisaka, something you need to either order online or find a specialized store that stocks cartridges like that. You severely underestimate the number of AKs and SKSes still in circulation within the American gun market. I fully expect 7.62x39 to be easily available at least until the 2040s if not later. And even then it'll still be available online or though specialist stores. It won't be on the same level as 9mm Japanese ordinance until like the 2070s or 80s
>>65624934<6.5creed overtaking good old 308grim
>>65625015>>65625031it's dead until we do the right thing and lift those import bans on russia
>>65625098Imagine, 3/4 of the board would have a mental breakdown, euro seethe for generations to come lol
>>65625098Trump wants to lift it, but Ukraine is standing in the way of more business with Russia
>>65625126>>65625165it would be worth it. I'd even go out and get an x39 rifle
>>65625168I know I wouldn't complain about the cheap ammo
>>65624939>6.5 sneedmore is more popular than 308, 30-06 is relatively obscure outside of boomer circles, and 30-30 might as well not exist>t. zoomer
>>65625289it's based on >>65624934 >>65624935which is semi flawedmore sneedmore rifles are being sold (because it's new and a lot of people already have fuddy fuddy, fudd-06 and .308)sneedmore probably also sells more individual cartridges because people don't buy a lot of hunting rounds and there are a lot of hunters who aren't "gun guys" and who don't shoot outside of hunting season. Whereas sneedmore is a popular completion round and is better for competition than .308 or fuddy-06. the only people shooting .308 and .30-06 in competitions are the guys showing up to high power meets with M1As and 1917 enfields
I hate zoomies, total fudd supremacy
>>65625321Why do you put a date on your rounds? do you think they go bad?
>>65625331Because my stacks run deep and I always pull the oldest box I see, you some sort of poor?
>>65625332no I just don't label my boxes like an autist
>>65625334It’s not my fault you’re retarded
>>65625340>aeroyou're poor
