Redesign the chimera
>>65602951Guns need to be bigger, REAL BIG
Heretic thread
>>65602966This
>>65602951Stop being a manchild and playing jewish game.Get. A. Grip.
>>65602951What's wrong with it? The Chimera is a perfectly effective and trustworthy IFV, fit to fight the enemies of the Imperium.
>>65602951Ok so you REPLACE the center section, with a Mobik dispenser. They lay sideways like in a rifle magazine, maybe double stack who gives a shit, and you put them on rollers on a conveyor system in the APC mobik-box. There is a chute out the back to dispense mobiks timed to the engine speed. You shit them out the back off rollers laying prone in place. This means they can be dumped really fast.Of course this is an APC but IFVs are just drone bait.
>>65602993You jest, but a lot of upgrades for Imperial vehicles literally is just adding more sponson stubbers/bolters/lascannons/etc
>>65602966You spelled heretek wrong.
>>65602951Why is literally everything in the Guard riveted like this is 1930's Italy?
>>65602951>Redesign the chimeraWhy? Despite some anachronistic features, it's superior to its IRL inspiration.
>>65603761Because the original designs were made by people that were fans of that era of military hardware. Some of the newer ones that are based on ww2 and cold war designs like the Hippogrif afv(it's just an fv501 saladin)aren't nearly as bad with that.
>>65602951Honestly only thing I'd do is swap the multi laser for a las cannon. Gives it a bit of anti armor fire power and you can use the bolter in the hull and firing port weapons for anti infantry work.They really should make a model and rules for that.
>>65602951Here ya go.
>>65603045fucking when? also why did GW pointlessly fuck with the audio of their "re-release"? its not terrible but every change they made is objectively worse
>>65603812I'm not an expert but the chimera possibly doesn't have a big enough powerplant to drive a lascannon. Besides the guard got a new vehicle for 11th that is basically a lascannon team if they were fast as fuck boi. You could throw a bigger generator in the chimera sure, but then it would probably be able to carry less dudes, and that's it's primary function, being a transport and mobile cover for dudes.
>>65603833Remember when they were C&Ding all those fan animators? They hired some of them.
>>65602951>>65602951>>65602951Please go back to >>>/tg/
>>65603906Neck yourself wannabe jannie. /k/ is for the discussion of weapon systems, both fictional and real.
>>65602951Make it look more like the Char-2c
>>65603926can we then discuss how to make real mechs?
>>65603836Could easily see a cav version ala M3 bradly. And yeah the new wheeled vehicle is pretty neat, but I want something with tracks you know?
>>65603972multi-model like the CV90anti-air platoon in every armor and mech companyadditional at, mortar, assault gun, command, ambulance, etc models
>>65603976The chimera already kind of does that. It's the base hull for a lot of vehicles
>>65603836Of course it can drive (and fire, in case you was thinking I was making a stupid pun) a lascannon, you can fit an entire heavy weapon team of three lascannons in there. Hell, cut out the dumb passenger lasguns and poke the lascannons through the hole and now you have a chimera with the firepower of three lascannons.
>>65604020But what about heavy lascannons?
>>65604029That's what the new wheeled vehicle should have had instead of a standard las cannon. On a separate note even if you reduced the capacity by half for this new power pack you'd still be able to fit a whole weapons squad in there which would make for a nasty little fast attack option
>>65603833I've always assumed the original soundtrack had particular copyrighted properties, in those cases. Maybe barely even worth a lawyer's letter when it's some randomer, but a reasonably wealthy company is much more tempting bait.
>>65603976>anti-air platoon in every armor and mech company>additional at, mortar, assault gun, command, ambulance, etc models>just dilute combat power by between 1/4 and 1/3 across the entire force bro, it will be fine bro, trust me bro
looks like a t 60
>>6560402012th gave you a vehicle for that, the centaur review, it has the firing deck 12 ability, which means any troop embarked in it can fire out of it. That's six heavy weapons teams(2 models to a team)zooming around the map making your enemy really want that vehicle dead.
>>65604417Thank you for correcting my acronym you stupid auto correct, that should be RSV(Rapid Strike Vehicle).
>>65603836You see the size of the Lascannon's battery in its dismounted form, and it's small enough to fit in a Space Marine's backpack without making him too cumbersome. If you really want to commit to crunch, you could say it reduces the Chimera's troop capacity by 1 for the battery station.
wordfilter all 40k words like we did with airsoft when they wouldn't fuck off back in the daydesu desu desu
all warhammer tanks look stupid because of the obsession with the track profile from that ww1 tank. it's like the bongs can't let go of "we made the first tank m8" so they have to ruin everything they design to remind you.
>>65602951It doesn't really need much redesigning. The Chimera is already the most practical 40k tank. All I'd really say you'd need is to change the hull-mounted gun so it has some side to side traverse, and maybe remove the gimbaled lasguns in the back in favor of just regular firing ports for whatever arms the guys in the troop compartment are carrying.
>>65602965Upgun to space marine predator autocannon
>>65602951I give it some form of suspension. While I'm at it I'd also give it some exhaust pipes because where the fuck are they?
>>65604437The heavy weapons teams show them maybe the size of a small arms tool kit or a 5k generator. Probably closer to like 40mm ammo can size
>>6560635030k there was a wheeled version, but the tracked version now the Chimera replaced it, citing that the rubber wheels were weak and the tracks allowed it to have more armor plating. Of course that was a fucking lie because the wheeled version was 2 tons more than the tracked version.
>>65606336>Upgun to space marine predator autocannonKronus Pattern Chimera
The chimera doesn't really have much wrong with its design, unlike this stupid wannabe baneblade. I'm sick of every modern 40k unit having to have 50 bajillion guns
>>65602951the real issue is the really wonky doctrine that mech guard havethe leman russ moves at the speed of a guy on a bicycle, so there isnt much point to having mech infantry to keep up with itand the russ is designed for infantry support in an infantry centric army, so either the mech infantry slow down to let the russ catchup or the russ gets left behind while the mech troops zoom out of the breakthrough without itthis essentially means mech infantry are entirely autonomous units who do not operate alongside tanks, something along the lines of a modern day stryker brigade rather than a soviet motor rifle battalion that you would imaginewhich also leaves open the question why they never invented a cruiser tank to go with the chimera
>>65607284the gun bloat is because of power creep, tanks were lagging behind compared to swarms and so they had to keep getting buffed over and over due to action economythe leman russ even had to get the ability to fire twice when moving slowly, because the game hit the point where you had to literally double the firepower of one of the hardest hitting guns in the game just to keep it relevantso the proliferation of mobile death fortresses is simply a result of having to release new toys that fit the meta
>>65607284>The chimera doesn't really have much wrong with its designIt has the ground clearance of a race car. It has the rough terrain approach of dozering a path to level a trail. Neither meant for maneuverability or scouting, but ironically better suited for paved roads of urban warfare. That goes for most Imperial vehicles absent from a trench line.
>>65603972I kind of want to draft up some rules for that honestly. Seems like something the guard would have made
>>65607284>gatling gun in a fixed hull mount>those silly little nipple machine gunsThis has to be the dumbest of all the Imperial Guard tank designs.That said, it makes a really nice Stug with the turret removed and the main gun mounted to the hull.
>>65608689I think its on a little ball mount but it still has a very limited range of motion, same with the frontal melta guns that can only engage targets that the tank is perfectly aligned with
>>65608689You think that's bad, take a look at the storm lord. I think that's the Banablade variant specialized for dealing with hordes of infantry.
>>65609005Baneblade chassis stuff gets a bit of a pass because their guns mostly made sense and they're essentially Bolos. The Dorn doesn't because it's just Russ But Bigger (AND WE ALREADY HAD THE FUCKING MACHARIUS).
>>65608689A bong sells a TD conversion kit on ebay, and someone else sells a TD/Macharius stl file.
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>>65603761>Why is literally everything in the Guard riveted like this is 1930's Italy?The aesthetic of the IoM was set by people who make SOVL threads in their spare time. The faction basically runs on it.
>>65609055God the macharius mogs the Rogal Dorn so hard. Warhammer vehicles used to be designed by history nerds as exaggerated and sometimes goofy versions of REAL VEHICLES, now its incredibly obvious that the design teams are just a bunch of money grubbing art school kids trying to copy the older magic without knowing what actually made it good
>>65609117Just look at this bullshit man
>>65609123>let's copy the falcon, but strip out all the sexiness.Come on Cawl, this is embarrassing.
>>65609117the macharius is mega fucking retarded when you realize it doesn't actually have a rotating turret
>>65609511?My Macharius is sitting in the pile of shame, but this looks to have full rotation. Were you thinking of the Malcador?
>>65609591>>65609511The Malcador with a normal tank gun in a casemate mount is kinda dumb, but I like the variant with a hull mounted howitzer and a bunch of heavy bolters mounted all around the raised gun house on top. Peak WWI kino.
>>65603825That looks really good.Is there an STL file?
>>65609123A lot of the newer vehicles are rounded to make them look less "fascist"/Authoritarian and look more like Western allies ww2 vehicles.
>>65609591>pile of shameOr as I call it, my entire ad mech army. One of these days I'll assemble those dunecrawlers.
>>65609685Also to give every faction distinct silhouettes. Same reason marine officers paint their helmets in please snipe me colors.
>>65609699a lot of people seem to forget the meta-aspect of 40k being a hobby, and painting unique characters in unique colors is a useful way to identify the squad leader at a glance
>>65609716I always like when that and the lore matches up. Like with the eldar for example, before Slaanesh they had species wide reincarnation immortality, and bred like rabbits. So it didn't matter if you had a big fancy helmet with peacock feathers arranged in a fan, you get your head blown off you'll be out of commission for a year at most. The ceaftworlders still maintain that aspect because 65 million years of cultural inertia is a bitch to overcome.
>>65609604I was always a huge fan of the Malcaruss kitbash. It fills the gap between Leman Russ and heavier tanks so fucking well.
>>65609005>>65609055Stormlord is a bit less retarded once you realize it's a specialized troop transport rather than "infantry hunter". It doesn't really need a rotating turret because it's job is driving at an enemy strongpoint suppressing the shit out of it before the guys on the back jump out and take it. It still has the side sponsons and turrets to take out whatever isn't in front of it and for heavier vehicles it should have a dedicated anti-tank support somewhere behind it.
>>65609604Looks like something Israel would happily use
>>65609055The specialized patters like Stormlord and Shadowsword are ways to give guard access to titan killing weaponry without needing the logistics for a full Titan maniple.
>>65609055>>65609840Now out of date pic
>>65608689>This has to be the dumbest of all the Imperial Guard tank designs.have you SEEN a capitol imperialis?
I introduce the Mechanicus to the magical art that is WELDING, so that all their shit doesn't need to be riveted together. It's the year 42,000, not the year 1917. We are past rivets. And if they make a stink about it, I upload Bonzi Buddy to the Golden Throne. Every faction trips over themselves to stop the evil AI from taking over, only to destroy each other, leaving the purple monkey to rule over the remainder of the universe.
>>65613549Bruh, the golden throne is a mix of eldar and necron tech. I doubt either of those races use anything resembling our current operating systems. Alternatively The Emperor coded his own custom OS for it.
>>65613244The Capitol Imperialis is a mobile command post with a massive artillery cannon attached, not a a tank.
>>65609836they already do
>>65613549At least three games now have showed off a Leman Russ assembly line and in all of them the sides are single piece panels that get welded to the main body, not unlike gluing the actual model. It's pretty clear at this point the rivets don't actually serve a structural reason.
>>65613759Where did you get this information? Did you interpret the Drukhari building their own golden dialysis machine as proof that the original is of Aeldari origin? It's from the DAoT, or at least it was for the longest time.
>>65614576>It's from the DAoTTrazyn or some other necron lord said it was one of their designs or definitely incorporated at least some of their tech, and the necrons weren't active during the DAoT.
>>65613549>We are past rivets.NoNow you done gone made the riveters, hole drillers and plate cutter guilds mad trying to spread your arc bukake all over the place. This isn't a 10 ogryn circle jerk motherfucker
>>65614682>the necrons weren't active during the DAoT.Their tech still existed and some would have been discovered and excavated. >>65614576>Did you interpret the Drukhari building their own golden dialysis machine as proof that the original is of Aeldari origin?It was designed to control a private webway so I'd assume there has to be some Aeldari tech involved. NTA btw
>>65602965Fishtank in the middle of the dash
>>6560295140gay vehicles are all so exceptionally gay and retarded you'd have to completely scrap them and design new ones from the ground up.
>>65607393>which also leaves open the question why they never invented a cruiser tank to go with the chimerahellhound and variants are the closest to that
>>65616003And sentinels are fast and pack a punch for the size.
>>65615398They did that for every non imperial guard faction. Everyone but the guard gets the best that their species can produce. The guard has to make it happen with two sticks and a rock, and they have to share the rock because every platoon only gets one rock.
>>65614215Wtf is that
>>65616163Did you not read the filename?
>>65609055>they're essentially Bolos40k superheavy tanks aren't even close to the bullshit power levels of the Dinochrome Brigade.
>>65609055Especially when you consider like a third of the weapons they bring are just various artillery guns and due to their sheer size might as well make them SPGs
>>65616643Would it survive a 40k orbital bombardment?
>>65602951Let's think proactive here, I say we equip the thing with anti tank missiles so it can blast those tanks before they kill it.
>>65617960You don't take hunter killer missiles?
>>65616174I did and i looked it up after posting
>>65617898Depends on what they're bombarding it with.
>>65615208SKULL ON THE HOOD EVERYTHING WOOD
>>65602951Thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6uzVbxoQOM
>>65617898These things shoot capital ships out of the sky by arcing rounds into them from the other side of the planet. Bolos are basically the Goku of scifi tanks, every new mark is another Super Saiyan level. The franchise operates pretty much in the same manner as DBZ, really. 40k has powerful stuff, but the power levels are established and Bolos ain't scared. The Imperial Navy isn't going to beat a Bolo head on in a traditional attack, it's going to need to do some shit like concentrate on the continental crust the Bolo is on and sink it under the magma. That is doable, sure, but you've lost the planet you ostensibly wanted and likely an entire subsector fleet with it, because the Bolo is going to be doing some crazy shit that turns the engagement into a race of attrition. The way the Imperium beats a Bolo is with psykers, but now we're in the realm of the most bullshit scifi tank ever conceived possibly getting daemon possessed, which probably leads to exterminatus level actions again.tl;dr Bolos are Goku
>>65609851I see an opportunity to greatly simplify this matrix by removing the Doomhammer, hellhammer, and shadow swordNo, i am not a Knights player, why do you ask?
>>65619262Allow me to present to you the novacannon
>>65609851Pretty sure /tg/ made tanks to fill these gaps. Helllord was a giant flamer tank iirc.
>>65619262Bolos is just a weird setting.>humanity into space>find aliens>aliens are hot furrys>ask to fuck the aliens>get told no you can't fuck us, not until we know you're safe to fuck>how fucking dare you deny our penises! this means war!and then they genocide each other.
>>65619262>Bolos are basically the Goku of scifi tanksDon't they still operate on a level that's basically tangible reality without inter-dimensional or hypertech bullshit like Culture gridfire or edust?Anything warp related is an out-of-context problem for them obviously and that's without condending with necron tech (or cton).They'd do fine against planetary sized elements of Tau, 'nid or IoM I'm sure.
>>65619577How hot we talking? On a scale of deviantart to Carrot from One Piece.
>>65619693Well, depends on what/whomst'ves art you go off.>Six months after first contact between the Melconian Empire and the Concordiat in the 3200's, the Melconians slammed down a Non-intercourse Edict. It was standard for the Melconians to do this with any new species they encountered until the newly discovered species could be evaluated. Unfortunately, to the Concordiat, this appeared to be a hostile act. Misunderstandings on both sides led to increasing tensions until the shooting war started in the Battle of the Trellis System in 3343. The war continued for 208 years until both sides destroyed each other.
>>65619710>>65619262>>65616643I've never read any of the Bolo books.Where do I start?And to set expectations, what other authors would you say the series resembles?And what age range are they targeted at?
>>65619710>a Non-intercourse Edict. It was standard for the Melconians to do this with any new species they encountered until the newly discovered species could be evaluated. Unfortunately, to the Concordiat, this appeared to be a hostile act.Lmao watThe setting treadhead powerscalers have jerked off is a furry shitpost?
>>65621968No you retard.
>>65616076the armored sentinel could make for a medium tank if it didnt have such terrible shooting
>>65624814That's kind of a general issue with IG for as long as we're stuck on the d6 for rolls. Most Russes get around that by having enough "shots" that the math evens out, but Sentinels and Vanquishers have always been kinda shit because you're paying x points to have a 50/50ish chance to do something.
