Post only lunarians
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>>51354542What the hell is that body angle
>>51354632kys yurinigger
They could never make me hate moonies
>>51357018im a misanthropic gnostic so i agree with tsukuyomi's ideology
>>51354542>>51354548MOON BOOTY IS BEST BOOTY
>First Genso-Lunar war colorized
>Hey Eirin, maybe NOT killing everyone that's an inconvenience to you is a valid course of action
>>51361702That's what makes makes my wife special though
How do moonie haters feel about Eirin? You didn't directly see it, but the Doc killed a lot of Lunarians before IN.
>>51361803She got out of the moon, but you can't put the moon out of her. Still actively a sociopath and only really restrained by her loyalty to Kaguya. Remember that Eirin was actually one of the Lunar Capital's founders and that their laws, beliefs and skeletons in the closer were in all likelihood, perpetuated by Eirin herself.Hilariously enough, despite being the current face of the Lunarians, the Watatsuki Sisters have consistently shown a far stronger moral compass and empathy for life than Eirin. In their backstory, they actually treated Urashima Taro quite well and when he felt homesick, they just wanted to send him back home with no frills. That whole accelerating to old age and dying shortly after part that happened later? That was something Eirin orchestrated without their consent. In SSiB, they had every right to kill everyone there as they were quite literally invaders, but they just let everyone go home with a slap on the wrist. Meanwhile, just a bit earlier in Gensokyo, Eirin was contemplating killing Patchy. And in FW, Toyohime was more or less implied to be working against the Lunarians themselves to free Yuiman. Indicating that she actually feels guilty for what the moon has done to Yuiman. Hell, even looking at Sagume, during LoLK, she was way too eager to abandon mass genocide in favor of a more peaceful alternative of settling the incident. All the current Lunarians we know of seem to be actually fighting the sociopathic reputation of the moon. Meanwhile, in every moon related incident, we end up finding out that Eirin was also orchestrating shit from behind the scenes while sitting on her fat ass in Eientei. Eirin is probably a Lunar Boomer that is getting disappointed at there being more and more younger Lunarians getting caught up with this gay "empathy" and "maybe we shouldn't just kill everyone" ways of thinking.
>>51361835Sorry, what was that? I read "Eirin's fat ass" and my brain just....
>If I didn't raise you from birth, then I'm not interested.
>>51361926It's the other way around. If you don't groom them from birth, they'll inevitably reject you for being a hideous monstrosity unworthy of love.
Throw me into the moon and I come back as a father.
Lore question: wiki says lunarians are closer to being hermits or celestials than being ordinary humans, does that imply they're trying to imitate the celestial realm?
>>51362749If anything, its the reverse. Hermits and Celestials are budget Lunarians.Lunarians are largely composed of the higher ranked deities in Shinto. They have naturally high divine pedigrees and better base stats than just about most of everyone. Hermits and Celestials are effectively just normal humans that grinded enough to be ascended beings.Though if you mean the Lunar Capital itself rather than the Lunarians, then its technically correct that they're imitating heaven I guess? Heaven has been around since forever, but the Lunar Capital is like a proto-Gensokyo in that the group of gods that would eventually become known as Lunarians tried making their own artificial isolated paradise in the moon because they got tired of all the dumbfuckery and impurity of the earth.
>>51362859>Hermits and Celestials are effectively just normal humans that grinded enough to be ascended beings.Hermits sure. They're mortals that put in the effort to get enlightened and shit. But the worth of a Celestial is diminished since apparently you can buy your way into Heaven or get in if you have the right connections. Yukari thinks Heaven and the Celestials are a bunch of frauds for good reason.
>>51362859>Lunarians are largely composed of the higher ranked deities in Shinto.Actua deities that moved to the Moon are actually a very small percentage of the total population, I think. Most lunarians were/descend from humans, who either served the mentioned gods, or were hermits that sympathized with lord Tsukuyomi's views. So you can find lunarians (gods), and lunarians (human).
>>51362909Also, it's interesting that lunarians (and celestials) are somewhat classified as humans. Hermits are understandable, and even then they are pushing it, but those two are a little bit too unaligned with human experience.
>>51362859The Celestials' Heaven was canonically established by pulling out a massive keystone before Eirin was even born, and also number deities amongst them. There's no indication that they require anything from Earth to live their idyllic lives.The gods of Takamagahara that would eventually move to the Moon could not separate themselves from the kegare on Earth and had to flee to the Moon out of fear, reliant on at least one facility on Earth to sustain their existence.The Lunarians are absolutely presented as being inferior Celestials, rather than the other way around.
>>51362977Celestials don't really seem to be that fancy since apparently, having an "I know a guy" connection or literal nepotism is enough to elevate you into being one. Says a lot that top moon hater Yukari seems to have better opinions on Lunarians than Heaven or the Celestials.
A Japanese Goblin literally forced her way into Heaven and claimed some land there. Celestials are a joke. An average Hermit's Senkai has better privacy and security than Heaven.
>>51362996I think it's worth noting that Touhou's Heaven is a buddhist-type one rather than an abrahamic-type.
>>51363297Now that you mention that, buddhists have noted that the abrahamaic good afterlife is pretty much just becoming a celestial, which is an incomplete path for them. YHWH gives tickets to people for obeying him, which plays into the "I know somebody" way to enter Touhou's Heaven. Of course, Heaven has been closed for a long time now in the setting, so in-universe abrahamism is a huge scam.
>>51362996>Celestials are a jokeBased. Fuck them. Humanity will conquer their overrated Podunk.
>>51363487>Of course, Heaven has been closed for a long time now in the settingThat was just a false statement about the realm being overcrowded so the celestials can hog up the place all for themselves, but in truth anyone can claim a piece of it for themselves.>>51363533>Humanity will conquer their overrated Podunk.Humanity hasn't even been able to discover and conquer Gensokyo, let alone Heaven.
>>51363866Yeah, they can claim a piece if they beat the celestial owning that part of Heaven. Unless the celestial is playing around and doesn't care, like when Suika fought Tenshi, no human is beating a celestial in a fight.
>>51362977>The Lunarians are absolutely presented as being inferior Celestials, rather than the other way around.Lunarians had to build their kingdom from scratch and have the most advanced technology, Celestials mostly had to wait for divine permission to earn their Heaven, Lunarians are more impressive in my opinion
>>51362926It's more about the nature of the thing. Humans have souls, which are unique to them (per PMiSS, only humans can leave behind ghosts), as well as bodies of flesh. They're not purely spiritual beings like kami or embodied balls of belief like youkai. It has to be assumed that training as a Hermit, ascending as a Celestial or harrumphing hard enough to turn Lunarian doesn't change that fundamental nature.
>>51363970Humans can become youkai, has ZUN ever stated whether they require belief too or if the rules apply differently to them?
>>51363998Outright? I don't think so. Eiki's dialogue in PoFV implies that youkai can cross the Sanzu (and presumably be judged/reincarnated) but it is extremely unlikely due to the way they carry themselves in life.Anyway, the point is that Celestials and Lunarians are fundamentally the same base species as humans, except with major physical buffs.
>>51362986The only time we know that happened is the Hinanawi family being rewarded for their devoted servitude to the Nawi by being allowed into Heaven and ascending as Celestials. It's clearly not done as some cheap nepotistic favor; Chiko may have been too young to have been involved with it, but it's clear the family worked hard and earnestly and the Celestial leadership wanted to reward their efforts.And it's clearly not a common event, either, since other Celestials looked down on the Hinanawi and saw them as delinquents for it, which is an important part of Tenshi's backstory.>>51362996That just shows how carefree and easygoing the Celestials are. The Lunarians would've pulled the yigger alarm the moment Suika set foot on the moon, but the Lunarians aren't worried in the slightest about the occasional visitor.>>51363907The Celestials built Heaven from scratch, too. It doesn't manifest out of nowhere, they pulled out a massive keystone and established their lives there.There's no indication they use much in the way of technology, but their bodies impossibly durable and strong, they're highly knowledgeable, naturally immensely lucky to the point they're not even affected by a misfortune's god disastrous misfortune, and well-versed in magic to the point of casually breaking a high-level oni's magic circle.And that's just speaking of Tenshi, a delinquent amongst them and presumably paled in comparison to those who do take things seriously.The Lunarians have some busted abilities, but their baseline abilities aren't on par with what little we see of Celestials, and they are heavily reliant on tech to keep their capital running, while being fearful of people like Okuninushi and Takeminakata, who they had to seal away because of how threatened they felt by them, and in general, people tend to be dismissive of the Lunar Capital and see it as more or less a fake paradise built on shaky foundations, while the Celestials are at most depicted as kinda pricks (and only really by Yukari, making it pretty questionable), but nobody is ever dismissive of Heaven as a whole. It's clearly in a way better position than the Lunar Capital.
if celestials and lunarians are similar, and celestials are divine beings (even though they aren't native gods, they aren't the god of anything in particular), then i'd say that the lunarians can be both ascended humans and gods, in the sense that they ascended to a divine statealso aren't the moon and heaven pretty close anyway? if there are multiple heavens, wouldn't the moon be tsukuyomi's heaven?
>>51364069The only connections I can think of is that both Celestials and Lunarians seem to like eating peaches and also a theory about Iku being a messenger from the Moon since the Dragon Palace was supposedly in it.
>>51363970Good interpretation, but celestials are notably listed as "former humans", implying that they left their humanity behind. Same could also be applied to lunarians.
Celestials are funny because they're soul hobos in the reincarnation cycle that Shinigami come to collect all the time, but they just shout Shinigami off. They're quite literally squatters that actively deny the system and a massive pain in the ass for the Shinigami that are just trying to do their fucking job.>>51364064>It's clearly in a way better position than the Lunar Capital.Good PR I guess. From what we've seen in Touhou, Heaven is essentially a paradise for bums. We don't really see any kind of formal society there. Everyone just plays around all day. And they're all apparently kind of pricks. PMiSS states the Celestials like coming down to the mortal realm, fuck with mortals to have a laugh, and then fuck off back to Heaven without ever explaining themselves. They also actively lie and try to prevent new people from joining their club while looking down on some of their own kind for not being REAL Celestials (tm). They sniff their own asses so much but they can't even bother putting in some basic security to their fancy private club. It's no wonder Yukari doesn't think very well of them.But at the end of the day, there is still many that view heaven favourably because there is definitely some appeal in a Paradise where you can just goof off all day and act like you're better than everyone else. The current image of Heaven is that its the end reward of a good life where you're given the right to be a heavenly bum and asshole.On the other hand, the Lunar Capital was founded by people and gods that grew misanthropic and wanted nothing to do with the Earth anymore. It's a fully functional society where everyone has role to play and they aren't just scratching their ass all day. It generally has bad PR thanks to their founding principles being: "We hate all of you and want nothing to do with you." and the fact that they actually do take active (and sometimes excessive) measures to protect and guard their own kind. But ironically, as long as you don't antagonize them and try to overstay your welcome, the Lunar Capital is shown to actually not mind entertaining guests and letting them stay for a while. tl;drHeaven is a "This is a wonderful paradise that anyone can eventually get to if they work hard enough (lmao not really. Also I hope you like fighting off Shinigami debt collectors)." kind of place.Lunar Capital is a "No. Fuck off. This is just for our own kind. But eh, if you behave I guess we can tolerate some tourism." kind of place.
>>51364488In that regard, while the Lunar Capital and Lunarians are often against Yukari's own goals and ambitions, she seems to at least have some kind of respect for them. Meanwhile, the hypocrisy of Heaven probably really rubs Yukari off the wrong way.
I get the deal with Hourais since they effectively tore themselves away from the reincarnation cycle and are no longer under the jurisdiction of Shinigami. But what makes Celestial immortality different from Hermit or Lunarian immortality? Shinigami don't seem to mind the latter two, but they seethe about Celestials.
>>51364528Not sure how Hermits work, but Lunarians aren't really immortal. The Lunarian Capital is a special domain they made themselves where time is stopped and impurity is minimized. And while they're strong, they're not actually immortal. Beat a Lunarian in a fight and bash their heads in, and they'll die just fine. In a sense Lunarians are just stronger than normal folk that live in a giant fridge on the moon.From what I understand, Celestials are special folk that get an exception to the system and a free pass to eternal NEEThood and opulence while getting actual immortality for the most part. Shinigami hate this and they do actually have the power to inflict death on them, but Celestials are also pretty strong and more often than not, can fight Shinigami off.
>>51364488>>51364528>>51364553The fact that Hecatia seems more engaged in opposing the Lunarians than the Celestials should tell you something about which one the higher-ups in Hell care about, Shinigami are just middle-managers, that the Goddess of Hell herself is invested in opposing the Lunar Capital means it is a more blatant offense to Hell's views and purpose.
>>51364633And that's why Hecatia sucks. She turns a blind eye to domains that should actually be under her jurisdiction and is more concerned about bothering people that she doesn't like. And in the first place, Hecatia doesn't really seem to give much of a fuck to her godly duties anyway.Hecatia is a chaosfag. She doesn't like Lunarians being lawfags plus she kind of has a grudge with what Houyi did to Apollo. Her beef with the Lunarians is a personal thing rather than a duty thing.
>ZUN said he has no intention of making Yorihime appear in any gameIt's so lunarover
>>51361835>All the current Lunarians we know of seem to be actually fighting the sociopathic reputation of the moon. Meanwhile, in every moon related incident, we end up finding out that Eirin was also orchestrating shit from behind the scenes while sitting on her fat ass in Eientei.That also means that they're not so attached to their new morals that they won't accept whatever Eirin wants to do.
>>51365744Is this just the old statement that got broken as of FW, or did he say something new in one of those drunken streams again?Either way, why haven't people learned not to take any of this madman's ramblings seriously. We already had many "X won't happen" only for it to happen later on scenarios from him.
>>51366789Toyohime is yukari tier, Yorohime is beyond that
Lunarians-Celestials War when?
Im the only one here who unironically agree with the lunarians' belief that earth (specifically the outside world) is trash, I don't get why we're supposed to dislike them.
>>51368955They're chink-coded.
>>51354542Yorihime-sama is made for humiliation and defeat!
>>51368955They fuck with the one part that looks remotedly decent to live (gensokyo) that is why
