Does anyone else feel like it's really obvious that japan peaked super hard in the 80's/90's/2000's and it will never be that good again?Like otaku stuff is not my main thing anymore, but every now and then I relisten to Ride on Time or read YU-NO and I'm like holy shit! There was something truly magical in the air in Japan at that time. But it's kinda sad because Japan will never be that awesome again
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I don't know, but it is definitely harder to find good original anime these days that arent based on an existing ip, manga, or light novel.I still find plenty of really interesting modern manga though, it just doesnt get popular.In a way I'd say it's facing the same problem video games are. The old stuff is competing with the new stuff for your time, and we've reached the point if saturation where being good doesn't necessarily mean you will become popular.
>>51329829Otaku culture peaked in the 2000s and it is what it is. It was perfect and there will never be anything like it ever again.
>>51329829I went to see Ninja Scroll the other day at the movie theater. It had been so long I had forgotten most of the plot points. Great movie though.
I recently found this songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHxvQ1wKCuAAnd I was like holy shit! That part at 1:18 where it uses the same chord progression from Pink Floyd's Time, but it's completely redone in a City Pop style with that incredible bass line and the call-and-response, and the super catchy chorus, and the gorgeous synths pads that just weave in effortlessly into the mix. And the sax solo at 3:00. This is incredible
>>51329829That's just civilization in general, not just Japan. The future is poverty and barbarism.But yes, you are basically right.
>>51329829The entire world peaked hard in the 70s/80s/90s. You can't tell me with a straight face modern western "culture" is anything else but unfathomable garbage, utterly devoid of any genuine human virtue. Were civilisational collapse to happen now and all our cultural output of the past 20 years wiped out without a trace, absolutely nothing of any value whatsoever would be lost. This is in no way anything unique to Japan.
>>51329829YeahYou can still find 80s/90s Japan in some areas of the country, either clinging to life, agonizing, or plain dead.
>>51331035>>51329829Forgot pic related
>>51330557>utterly devoid of any genuine human virtueIt's not just art. The people now are less virtuous. You know those clips you see on social media of people recording something crazy happening in public? I thought, "Oh that's just like a rare event. Everyone has a phone now so everything gets recorded". But then I'm walking outside yesterday and I hear a grown man yell at a child no older than 6 to "Stop crying you little faggot". I have no idea what's up with people right now.
>>51331895Although I somewhat agree with your statement I will point out that grown people yelling at children is by no means a new thing.
>>51331900I never saw it until now really. Not like full volume shouting
>>51331895>The people now are less virtuousI really don't feel that's the case. People have been dicks even back then, the only thing that changed is how visible it is
>>51331913Oh I don't doubt you. Just saying that it is not new. "It's just a prank bro" would be more relevant. Not that that is a new thing either, just the scale and monetization of it.
>>51331895I don't mean "virtue" in the sense of morally good but rather the basic characteristics of human transcendence within nature. I was never under the impression of man as a higher being. We are fancy animals, governed by the same laws of nature. But that fancy intellect allowed us to get creative enough to create spectacular displays to delude ourselves into believing in a higher purpose for ourselves - wondrous, uplifting works of art, extensive introspect of ourselves and our social structures through centuries of philosophical and anthropological tradition, a sense of beauty, aesthetics, and social values that go beyond basic pragmatic purpose, a desire to create a legacy for oneself that goes beyond the basic innate biological programming of reproduction. We were animals, but animals that were capable of creating meaning and beauty within our existence. All of these aspects of humanity seem to have been completely wiped out within the past century. The death of all art in the meat grinder of commodified, disposable fast-fashion tier entertainment culture being just one of the many symptoms.
>>51332034Yeah calling it a "regression to human nature" is pretty accurate.Growing up during Y2K, I always felt that we looked on human nature as something to grow out of, to transcend, hence all the computers and fancy tech and stuff. Hence augmented humans in Deus Ex, Ghost in the Shell etc. Now it feels like that dream is dead, and we're eating dirt for our parents and grandparents being so naive about this stuff. They got to dream while we foot the bill. They got to believe that the fundamental questions of civilization, meaning, happiness, genetics, demographics, race, gender, politics, IQ etc. were all solved, while we have to face the brutal truth that none of this is solved, while also footing the bill.
>>51332050You believe that parents and grandparents thought all those things were "solved"? Oh boy. And how did you come to make this incredibly astute assessment?
>>51332124>You believe that parents and grandparents thought all those things were "solved"? Not solved, but "on the road to being solved". That was the whole premise of Y2K. You had the USSR collapse, and then 8 solid years of just everything being... basically good. Which was enough time to let people dream, like, "Hey maybe things are just gonna keep getting better..." Like all this Y2K chrome-futurism is emblematic of the fact that people felt the 20th century and all its issues were over, and we were finally ready to move past and forget them.But then people realized none of those issues were actually solved. And now we're starting to see the outcomes of that lack of a solution in real time. And what's worse: These outcomes are being pushed onto a generation that has no idea what's going on, because they were raised for a world that doesn't exist anymore. A world that's peaceful, stable, a world that our parents knew.I honestly find it really bizarre how there are still "moderates" nowadays. Like people who believe this is nothing exceptional, and that the system will continue chugging along as always. Our entire society's very likely going to turn upside down within the next 20 years, and nobody is preparing for this. Every major tech CEO is saying this exact thing, all the bloggers following tech are saying this exact thing... and nobody's listening? Well, fine by me. You can lead a horse to water, etc.
>>51332181Your parents knew a peaceful and stable world? What planet were you raised on?Because this particular planet hasn't been peaceful even since long before the dinosaurs went extinct.
>>51332192Christ. Yeah, this is exactly what I mean.I could put everything into my post and give you everything on a silver platter, and you people wouldn't take a single thing out of it.
>>51329829>>51330364>>51330557The world was indeed much better before you were alive. Thanks a lot, faggots.
>>51329829I disagree. Japan peaked in the 60s/70s/80s. The late 80s were sort falling off hard musically speaking though there was still some good stuff. By the 90s? Bury it. >>51330557America and Europe's peaks were the 1880s-1930s and then again from the 60s-80s.
>>51332420Are you an enka fan or do you like that soft hazy folk japan used to be into during the hippie age?
>>51332429kayoukyoku, enka, jazz, disco, rock, orchestral were all great back thenonce your start getting into the nakamori akina era crap it's just horrible
I recently went to Japan for the first time finally, after wanting to visit badly for over half my life, and I was... mildly disappointed, though I did have fun and did my best to enjoy it. Perhaps I had built it up too much in my mind how sugoi Japan would be, but being a small town American, I already live in a rather nice and beautiful place with mostly friendly people so perhaps I'm spoiled. Japs are mostly bland, dead inside, phone addicted NPCs, not too different from here but at least here people will strike up a conversation or interact with you once in a while. In every public area they never once looked up from their dopamine slabs, just staring down like zombies, not even caring to glance out a window occasionally or anything. They don't often interact with others or smile unless forced to for a customer service job. No one had any children, that was super noticeable, of course I knew all about Abe wanting them to have breeding sex and all that but seeing it in first person felt dystopian to say the least. No children anywhere, just adults and elderly, and a few teenagers here and there. And, their country is not nearly as nice as everyone makes it out to be, I thought America was much nicer in many regards. Not having basic freedoms like being able to carry a pocket knife disturbed me more than expected. I think the only reason I didn't see more homeless is because I noticed they build an insane amount of cheap commie-block looking housing, but I feel like that probably won't continue indefinitely as eventually the housing will get destroyed by natural disasters or simply become too old and get torn down, and I bet you anything when that happens in fifty plus or so years they will also have a similar homeless crisis as America does once their elite decides to milk people for rent and only build "luxury" housing. Though that's just speculation on my part, it feels inevitable, I'm sure their elites are pissed they didn't do it sooner. The trains were much too expensive and I wondered how the Japs with their weak yen could possibly afford traveling that way every day. There were also abandoned buildings EVERYWHERE. A truly shocking amount, like Detroit or something. They weren't as dilapidated and there wasn't as much graffiti, though it was present, but there were still just thousands of abandoned buildings and homes left to rot basically everywhere. There were also shitloads of fat people, you niggers lied to me about Japs not being fat. Also holy shit, there were TONS of jeets and mudslimes there which surprised me, though I guess it shouldn't have with how things are nowadays. I wish I could have visited in the 80s or 90s, god, I bet it would have been so much better. I feel like I got to experience a shitty de-souled version of Japan. I could see and feel how it used to be, and it made my heart ache for a place that no longer exists.
>>51332445>but at least here people will strike up a conversation or interact with you once in a whileDoesn't basically everywhere else in the world consider this a very annoying thing Americans do?
>>51332445I used to browse 5ch/Eddy every day until I realized how dystopian Japanese culture feels nowadays. Then I had to stop.>There were also abandoned buildings EVERYWHERE. Did you notice the decaying buildings? Like in the 80's due to the wealth boom, Japan built a ton of expensive looking facades with fancy tiles that had to be cleaned pretty often, but as the economy declined they couldn't afford to have them cleaned so the country is filled with a lot of gross moldy tiles.>I wish I could have visited in the 80s or 90s, god, I bet it would have been so much better.Same. The best we can do is just enjoy the leftover remnants in film. If anyone has suggestions that capture what they like about this era of Japan (not anime) that would be cool
>>51332487>Doesn't basically everywhere else in the world consider this a very annoying thing Americans do?I can understand where you're coming from, from the standpoint of a Scandinavian view of human relationships, where people are harder to become friends with, but once you do become friends, those bonds are actually a lot stronger and more genuine than the average American friendship. I wouldn't put Japanese friendship in that category. It feels like a very asocial, aromantic place in every way. Probably only paradise if you have no desire to connect with humans at all.
My personal love is 2000s japan. There's something about the music and fuzzy digital camera quality that scratches a deep itch in my brain and makes me a bit sad I couldn't live through it. Dance dance revolution, the mp3 player, campy j-dramas, and alternative rock all come to mind.
>>51332543>the country is filled with a lot of gross moldy tiles.Post pics
>>51329829the internet becoming what it is in the present time is why. it's like idk the 80s / 90s were the beginning of it, when the technology for the most part was still new and the 00s was the internet in its general infancy. like it just so happens that it was japan that was very creative and they adopted the internet early compared to most other countries so we got so many gemmies. look at akiba.
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Don't get me wrong, there are things I enjoy about modern Japan. It's just this kind of stuff thats extra special to me. This is from the queen of lunch time cuisine.Also love Hajime no ippo, azumanga daioh, the original beyblade, larc en ciel, original yu gi oh, original fma, chobits, the gazette, zebraman, and a thousand more things from around that time to name a few.
From an otaku and anime standpoint, I think the best times were from around 95-2015. Particularly the late 90s and early 2000s were a pretty nuts time for anime and internet culture. I don't really think there's much interesting about 80s japan. Some anime and nerd culture was fringe and therefore good but that's about it. But then, Japanese stuff was big in America from 80-90s so it had to have something going for it in terms of cultural output, but whatever it was, it wasn't sweaty nerd meetups.
>>51332609>I don't really think there's much interesting about 80s japan.Future generations are going to look back on Akira (1988) like we look back on Roman ruins today. They're going to think, "Holy fuck, this doesn't look like the work of an old civilization. This looks like the future!"
>>51332615They're gonna post memes about the way the characters look, like this
>>51332609You think the OVA boom wasn't an interesting period for anime?
>>51332615>Future generations are going to look back on Akira (1988) like we look back on Roman ruins today.Forget about future generations, it's already happening now.
>>51332487We do. There are times and places for socialising. Had a day in Nagasaki during shore leave. Went to a tachinomi. Had fun chatting with the locals in my broken nip. Sounds more like an autism issue on anon's part.
>>51332609You're an idiot
>>51332609>90s and early 2000sDelicious. Glad I got to experince it, I think this was much interesting than live as a normie. I get hyped about the stuff when I catch some old series or games.
>>51329829Censorship never get along with creativity. Sad but true
"new bad!! old good!!" the thread
>>51343348>nooooo things before can never ever be better than current year!!!!
>>51332755The new anime is more like the Manga. Maybe if it goes back to that then in ten years kids will get to enjoy the dark atmospheric genre we did. The longer life goes on the more I see that nothing ever destroyed. The change is constant, the pendulum swings back and forth. There could be bright days again. Don't relinquish your hope anon. Don't give into despair.
>>51329829>did it peak back then??>because i got my taste from the city pop trend that started 6 years agoirony this is practically mainstream music
>>51330557>Were civilisational collapse to happen now and all our cultural output of the past 20 years wiped out without a trace, absolutely nothing of any value whatsoever would be lost. This is in no way anything unique to Japan.There is many anime and video games that would be sad to lose.
>>51332445Please stay in America
>>51332811He is right though
>>51332578>the internet becoming what it is in the present timeIt's just fully matured as a money-making tool. All the fun is gone.Even silly things like torrents get to me. Torrents (i.e. jp-relevant torrents) are increasingly going unseeded as people age out of caring about this stuff but nobody ages in. Private trackers lock out the few remaining people who are still interested. College kids aren't interested, they're just streaming everything. 2006 was 20 years ago and our internet connections are faster than ever but there's less and less to see and do, especially stuff that isn't locked behind a verified username and a paywall. In 20 years 4chan isn't even going to exist. And will I care? I'll be 60. A grumpy jiisan complaining that the world I grew up in is gone to children perfectly content with the world in which they are growing up.
>>51350189>In 20 years 4chan isn't even going to exist. I said that 20 years ago. You will NEVER be free. Remember that 4 is a symbol of death in Japan, so not even death will save you from this site. On the last days of your life, your mind will be uploaded to the internet for preservation and archival, and you will browse this shitheap for all eternity.
most likely, everything is global now and there is universal translator
