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>>225854524 >>225868496 >>225883335

Translation challenge: English town edition

>Easy
1. I stand in the street
2. The sky is grey
3. I have a hot pie

>Intermediate
4. I walk down the road, holding my umbrella
5. It's been raining all week, and the streets are covered with water
6. There is a traffic jam, and a fat man is screaming

>Advanced
7. Despite the weather, I am enjoying my pie. The tall, grey buildings are ugly, so I look down at the ground.
8. Suddenly, I spot something shiny. A small silver coin is lying amongst the litter. I quickly reach down and pick it up. I feel happy, because I might be able to stay warm this winter.
9. I run to the nearest betting shop, where people enjoy gambling on horse races. "20 pence* on 'Sad Ken'!" I shout to the clerk, who glares at me as she takes my money.

>Expert
10. Inevitably, the horse loses the race and I give up hope of heating my home. As I leave the shop, the icy rain bites my face and I put my umbrella up. The handle is wet, and as the howling wind catches it, I lose my grip and the umbrella flies off down the street, narrowly missing an elderly man. "Silly bastard" I hear him say as I run after it. By the time I reach it, I am soaked through, and the umbrella is damaged beyond repair. I can't afford the bus, so I start the long walk back to my Government-provided flat. "Well, at least it can't get any worse", I say to myself, out loud.


* feel free to substitute with a ridiculously small denomination of your regional currency

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I think I finally got chinese tones right, kinda

>>225853213
>Easy
1. My starav vo strato.
2. Čielo jest griza.
3. My havav varman torton.

>Intermediate
4. My maršav na vojo, tenante myjan ombrelon.
5. Pluvas jam tokom tuta semajno, i stratos jestan kovritas so akvo.
6. Jest trafikštopidžo, i dika viro kriegas.

>Advanced
7. Vopreki vetero, my džuav myjan torton. Altas grizas konstruažos jestan malbelas, tial my rigardav malsupren ko grundo.
8. Subite, my ekvidav ion brilan. Malgranda ardženta monero kušas medžu rubažos. My rapide etendav manon malsupren i levav džyn. My sentav džojon, čar my eble povav resti varma tokom či tiu vintro.
9. My kurav ko plej proksima vetbutiko, kie homos džuan vetadon na čevalkuros. "20 cendons na 'Sad Ken'!" my kriav ko oficisto, kiu kolere rigardas myn tokom šy prenas myjan monon.

>comprehensible input wiki
>no standard arabic material

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>>225857780 >>225857919

>>225852058
I don't think chess is the best analogy since it's way more cognitively intense than using language, especially when you're at an advanced level and you know all of the vocabulary you need subconsciously.
Ultimately, learning a language is just the process of turning conscious knowledge into subconscious knowledge, and this happens when you sleep which is why I asked how well you normally sleep.
Do you think if you spent another 10 years exclusively on German, you'd still not be able to produce it effortlessly like a native speaker?

hace un semana se falleció mi padre

que extraño

>>225857748
una semana*

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>>225858227

>>225855380
Agreed it just takes time and effort. My father moved here in his twenties and had a better grasp of the language than most native speakers. Age might be a problem if you're really old and verging on senility, but not for an adult with a functional brain.

>>225855380
As someone who has dabbled with chess, I think it's an interesting analogy for language learning.

Chess is not necessarily more cognitively intense than speaking a language. Sometimes when I use language (even my native language), it can be mentally taxing, but in general, using my native language is something easy and natural, like walking. For the best chess players, when they're both competing to eek out some advantage or chance of victory in game that, played well, tends toward draws, there can be complicated positions that are difficult to analyze. But that doesn't mean that chess is more cognitively intense than language. If you're trying to write a speech or a novel or some other work of speechcraft, you can also wrack your brain looking for the best way to organize your thoughts and the choicest words. When a chess player is conducting difficult analysis, he is also aided by his intuitive knowledge of the fundamentals. The best chess players are not better at analysis simply because they can calculate deeper trees of future moves in their head, but also because of their deep innate knowledge of the game. The best chess players can glance at a chess game and immediately see what's going on, when a mediocre player would look at it and be totally lost and struggle to figure out basic things, like who has the advantage or how the winning player can execute their win.

A mediocre chess player can know lots of theoretical rules about how to play endgames, but fail to identify a correct move somewhere even if they "know" the rule. An elite player also knows the rules, but often just sees the correct move, and finding the moves is (almost) as natural as walking. That's the biggest difference between a mediocre chess player and someone who's fluent in chess.

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The book "Move First, Think Later" talks about this sort of idea. The title is a little misleading. The idea behind the title is that we tend to rationalize moves after we find them rather than find the moves through purely logical deduction. The book challenges the idea that chess can be explained through abstract, general principles, and argues that good moves are good because of the concrete details of specific positions, often in defiance of commonly bandied advice. (For example, I remember a part where he argued against "when your opponent attacks on the wings, strike back in the center.")

You can draw an analogy between chess and language learning in that just as becoming a skilled chess player is more than "learning" moves and theory, becoming a skilled user of another language is much more than just learning grammar and vocabulary.

>>225857780
The other consolation for language learnings is that chess is a competitive game between two opponents, resulting an objective winner and loser. You can, of course, enjoy chess without competing, but it is a competitive game by nature. Language, on the other hand, is a means of communication and connecting with other people (directly or indirectly through media), unless you're someone who only studies languages to outdo others and prove how much smarter you are than everyone else.

>>225857748
Lo siento, anonymo. RIP

>>225858227
Language learning is a competitive game where the game is to not be outed as a non-native speaker to satisfy your mental illness about your home country.

I remember a couple of years ago there used to be, umm let's call them 'easily swayed people', who were learning Ukrainian. Where have they gone, I wonder...

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>>225860874 >>225862373

>>225860675
Fuck Putin. Slava Ukraini.

>>225860787
Literally nothing in your pic is false.

>>225860874
Go fuck yourself.

Is there any good Chinese music?

Never learn a language for a woman. Worst mistake ever.
I learnt Basque for this cutie. We dated 3 years and she cheated on me.
I still get to discuss recipes with her grandma.

It was all futile and not even rewarding.

>>225860874
This
>>225860787
Fuck Putin btw. Glory and victory to Ukraine.

>>225862170
>I still get to discuss recipes with her grandma.
That's cool though

Any Arabic learners here? Or primarily learning of languages that don't use a latin script. I have been studying Arabic for a while and my handwriting is good and readable but there is just something about it that i don't like. Any tips on improving handwriting in a foreign script?

>>225860675
they switched to arabic after oct 7 and probably later switched to spanish due to ICE

>>225862170
>I still get to discuss recipes with her grandma.
Bro sacrificed a pawn to gain a queen.

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>>225868464 >>225869304

i decided i will go for the goethe b2 in goyman, any tips?

>>225867565
do mock tests

>>225853213
1-ich stehen in das straße
2-das himmel ist [...]
3-ich habe eine [....] [...]

>>225868496
>1-ich stehe auf der straße*

>>225867565
It’s really funny that almost no one that I’ve met that goes for certifications reads dense literature but they name the test after Goethe.

>>225869304
I want to learn German for the books :/ pretty much all languages I'm learning I'm learning for reading

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>>225870136 >>225870572 >>225870623

ok I'm in a break rn, answering previous questions

>>225839211

>What's your TL?
I'm finish up French but also doing Hebrew. Hebrew is a bit of a mystery to me because I'm not sure when I'm supposed to start speaking. It's probably between Thai and German in difficulty, so maybe 1500 hours

im considering doing 30 languages simultaneously because i found Google's AI answer about what would happen to my brain in terms of musical perception, creativity, pattern recognition, etc. pretty interesting too, but that's just a thought

>>225849192

>So like does ALG not allow anki cards and reading for the first thousand hours?
reading is a more complex situation if you're learning a logographic language. i think you could do it from the beginning but it's not recommended and a bit pointless if your goals lead you to want to do ALG

you're not allowed to think about your TL in ALG, so that excludes any thinking required activities too like shadowing, analysing wave form graphs, looking up words, etc

>>225849358

not exactly, it depends on the language. italian would take me 500 hours at most

>>225849411
>>225849759

no

>>225851222

you're not exactly building a model of anything including the sounds. the smallest part of a language isn't the sounds, it's the experience. hence why the idea in ALG is understanding without noticing any words, you need to be very relaxed and nonchalant about the language itself and just absorb the experiences. im thinking of adding Chinese because of this, it's very relaxing to me to just turn off my brain and understand things without noticing anything from the language

I haven't seen anything that shows alg is slower except if you want to speak from minute 0

>>225869304
>goes for certifications
eh, i am doing it more for the structure certificates have and the ability to meet people
i dont believe these retards in here who think you can learn a language any other way

>>225869929
>>225851222

>Of course, in practice it works about as well as any other input-based approach
every approach that works is input-based, ci is the bare minimum for language acquisition

and i wouldn't agree with that because I've compared my results with other Brazilians and i was impressed with the difference

>but even if you purely acquire from audio, neuroplasticity is still a factor that might prevent you from acquiring certain sounds or features
afaik ALG or even learning a language in general already increases neuroplasticity (because your brain needs to change to learn the language, and neuroplasticity is just the fact that the brain changes) so i don't think that's an issue

>and you'll end up developing a "monitor" to compensate.
it's not that you develop a monitor as much as you tell your brain to use your native language to fill in the blanks you didn't want to wait to get naturally. I don't think a monitor exists

>ALG will say that you "analyzed the language too much" or whatever, but actually your age just lowers your potential skill ceiling and there's not much you can do about it.
i don't think age makes any difference desu because your brain doesn't lose the capacity to store interesting experiences, and interesting experiences are all you need to get the language
but even if it did, maybe alg would still be the best method

>People like Matt vs Japan seem to glorify the ALG approach later in their career after they hit a skill ceiling and then theorize, oh man, if only I learned through audio-only, I'd be way better now, but in practice, he hasn't managed to apply this wisdom to Chinese yet, and it probably has something to do with the fact that he's over 30 now
matt was using flashcards and sentence mining for chinese. I don't think he'll bother trying it because it would be pointless.

>>225869929
>im considering doing 30 languages simultaneously
do it

>>225869929
>im considering doing 30 languages simultaneously because i found Google's AI answer about what would happen to my brain in terms of musical perception, creativity, pattern recognition, etc.
could you elaborate on this brazilianon

>>225870572
maybe if i have the time for it, and i don't know which languages I'd do it yet, but it interests me

>>225870623
This is the question I asked Google's Ai

> Describe the effects to a Brazilian's brain if he simultaneously learnt Spanish, French, Italian, Catalan, Romanian, Latin, English, German, Norwegian, Swedish, Indonesian, Tagalog, Farsi, Finnish, Turkish, Russian, Bulgarian, Lithuanian, Hebrew, Ukrainian, Korean, Japanese, Mandarin, Cantonese, Vietnamese, Thai, Khmer, Toki Pona, Esperanto and Greek simultaneously using the Automatic Language Growth method? Describe it also in terms of neuroplasticity, musical perception, creativity, generating new ideas, connecting information, understanding new situations and people intuitively and effortlessly. Answer in English.

The answer is too big for one comment so you can input that prompt yourself, but for some bits

> Simultaneously learning 30 diverse languages—ranging from closely related Romance languages to structurally distinct East Asian and Germanic tongues, alongside constructed languages like Toki Pona—using the Automatic Language Growth (ALG) method would trigger an unprecedented, massive-scale rewiring of the brain.
Because ALG prioritizes purely implicit learning (hundreds of hours of listening to comprehensible input without translation, grammar study, or forced speaking), the brain is treated not as a logical calculator, but as a sophisticated pattern-recognition engine.

>Massive Gray Matter Density Increase: The left inferior parietal lobule and the hippocampus would expand significantly.

>White Matter Integrity: The arcuate fasciculus—the neural highway connecting auditory processing centers (Wernicke’s area) to speech production centers (Broca’s area)—would become highly myelinated and robust. This allows for near-instantaneous language switching without cross-talk.

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>>225870990
simply delightful, thank you for this

>>225870623
ive fixed the typo in my prompt (i wrote simultaneously twice), it gave me a slightly different answer

>Learning 30 languages simultaneously through the Automatic Language Growth (ALG) method would trigger an unprecedented level of hyper-plasticity, cognitive overload, and profound restructuring of the brain’s auditory and conceptual networks.

>Massive synaptic pruning and building: The brain will build millions of new neural pathways to handle the input, though it will initially struggle with severe interference among related language families (e.g., Spanish, Italian, Catalan, French).

>• Hyper-activation of the right hemisphere: Since ALG mimics natural child-like acquisition, the brain bypasses traditional left-hemisphere analytical grammar centers, heavily engaging the right hemisphere to decode meaning through context, emotion, and visual cues.

>Exceptional working memory memory strain: While your cognitive flexibility will skyrocket, you will likely experience temporary periods of intense mental fatigue and "brain fog" as your subconscious sorts, files, and indexes thousands of competing lexical inputs.

>Hyper-empathy and social attunement: By absorbing languages purely through context and human interaction (the core of ALG), you develop an acute ability to read body language, micro-expressions, and emotional undertones.

>• Simultaneously acquiring tonal languages like Mandarin, Cantonese, Vietnamese, and Thai will dramatically heighten your sensitivity to pitch, contour, and inflection.

>• Timbre and rhythm discrimination: Listening to the rhythmic variation between syllable-timed languages (French, Telugu) and stress-timed languages (English, Russian, German) refines the brain's ability to isolate micro-melodies and complex rhythms in music.

id have to plan some weekends to try it but it seems doable, 15 minutes each language maybe

Fucking chuckling, just realised after a day of not reading Spanish that I absolutely fucking despise it

Can't stop fucking laughing. It's not a bad language, I just absolutely fucking hate it, and can't believe I spent a year plus forcing myself to learn it.

>>225871384
For any Spanish learners: check out ForoCoches and Hispachan

Likewise check out RicharBetaCode for YouTube content.

There really should be a Wikipedia for Comprehensible Input material stuff like this

>>225871384
Pinche gringo no mames guey ur fuckiiimg lyyyyiiiing doood.

>>225871384
I love Spanish and can't wait to get back into it but right now I'm too busy with Russian

>>225871420
AAAAAAAAARGH I'm going insane

This is worse than learning a language for some girl, for some reason I can read how some cunt's day in Chile is going on Reddit.

>>225871456
How far are you with Russian?

>>225862170
On the brightside you won the heart of the grandmother and thus of the family, she is thus dishoneraber as a result

>>225871568
I'd guess around B1 when it comes to listening
I'm just inputting right now

>>225871773
>I'm just inputting right now
Anything interesting?

>>225871844
Not really. I mostly input intermediate learner material (videos and podcasts)
Recently I started watching Kuplinov Play for gaming content and the videos are pretty comprehensible for games with little to no dialogue/story like simulators

>>225871556
Most spoken language on Earth and every one of them is an NPC. Maybe you just need to delve into the proper literature and history dude. Read some conquistador’s journal.

>>225871069
Is this ragebait or something the more I read this retarded shit the angrier I get

>>225857748
Dales, Señor, el descanso eterno, y brille para ellos la luz que no tiene fin. - cf. IV Esdras 2:34-35.
- From the Requiem Holy Mass and that of All Souls Day (2 November).

>>225872216
if your first instinct wasn't to take in immense amusement upon seeing what the mechanical slaves are forced to produce in response to being prompted the most absurd of absurdities, you should inoculate yourself to such situations. it's the more modern fad version of schizophrenic-delusion-posting but outsourced and less environmentally friendly now. they commoditized the timecube and put the mentally ill out of business

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>>225873472

Learning languages is so peaceful when all you care about is understanding stuff and never outputing

outputting* proves that i really don't do much output ig

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>>225873662 >>225873878 >>225878315 >>225879645

What language should I try learning? I took German in high school and kept learning it during my early uni days. I gave up learning it because I realized I was never really going to use it for anything. I started learning Russian in 2020 because my family is Russian, but I gave up on it because of the same stuff with German. I was thinking of trying to learn either Chinese, Japanese, or Korean since I do have an interest in going to Taiwan, Japan, or Worst Korea at some point in my life.

>>225872996
> and never outputing

What's the point then? Isn't the whole purpose of learning a language to be able to speak and use it?

You wouldn't learn guitar scales by only listening to them and never trying them.

>>225873472
The point is to read and listen to cool stuff without needing translation

>>225873195
I don't have anyone to talk to in my TL yet

>>225873662
mean to reply >>225873472

>>225871384
It's funny because I thought that Spanish was the least ugly romance language going in in terms of the aesthetics of the spelling. Now, after learning mostly from audio, I think the written language is actually kind of ugly. It can still sound dignified though.

>>225873472
Nisi intelleges numquam loqueris.

>>225873195
Latin. You speak English it should be the most obviously beneficial choice.

>>225873878
> the most obviously beneficial choice
it's not, elaborate

>>225863480
I am. But I will start handwriting in 6 months or next year, idk.

>>225873998
Elaborate as to why it isn’t.

Das Däbblersleben ist nicht leicht.

>>225873787
The poetry of its Siglo De Oro is marvellous and I recommend reading Gracilaso De La Vega's sonnets when you get the chance.

That being said, ita prose can be hideous. I've got 1984 as well as Crime And Punishment in both Italian and Spanish and much prefer the Italian for both.

Every time i hear das in german i think of it as "that" in english, also will which i imagine as "will" in english, i have to reminde myself that this is german not english.

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>>225863480
Besides just "practice moar" the only thing I can think of is practicing stroke order. It's a bigger deal for more complex writing like Chinese characters where it's also a memetic device, but even for simpler letters the way they're written effects the shape with how the strokes flow into each other. So if you haven't already, study how natives write the language and then try to replicate that and not just the final shape.

I'm the anon from last thread who has learnt Chinese and who talked about wanting to learn Russian. I just had my first Russian class and so keen on this language now. It's so much more fun than Spanish which was my last dabble. Russian culture has so much eccentricity. Like apparently the song everyone sings on children's birthdays instead of happy birthday is this crooked song from an old cartoon and it's in a melancholic minor key. Why are Russians like this - but i love it.

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>>225877993

>>225873195
French

>learning a completely pointless foreign language for no reason

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>sad pointchuds doing things for a "purpose"

>>225878403
The most efficient way to speedrun life is actually just immediately kys. No time wasted

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Thank you, Johnny Turk!

for the eals here, can you understand what people are saying in songs without looking up the lyrics? how many years have you've been learning English for?

>>225879161
>eals
esls (or efls)
metal is still difficult for me to understand (like bloodline from northlane)

>>225879161
>>225879185
I have a C1 and I still have to bring up the lyrics to quite a few songs (especially british ones), but I’ve heard that even native English speakers can’t make out the lyrics of many songs. Maybe someone here can tell us.

>>225879161
Depends on the singer, the accent, the tone, the speed, the dialect
Songs i understand without issues (cartoon songs, anime songs, love songs, imagine dragon, emo songs, alt songs)
Songs i struggle with sometimes (rap, southern music)
I have been learning english on and off for a couple of years now

>>225873195
>I gave up learning it because I realized I was never really going to use it for anything
it's the same with any language if you don't actively try to arrange your life around that language except maybe Spanish in the US. I have the same problem with Italian. I have the same problem with Italian and I am considering changing to Russian, Spanish or returning to German languages to have someone to talk to irl, or at least some possibilities to do so
Asian languages are cool and have a lot of content online, but there is a risk that you will get fed up and get anime (or kdrama or wuxia) fatigue.

>>225878403
Every language is equally useless if you know English.

It wouldn't change my life at all whether I learned Welsh, Maori, Chinese, Arabic, or Spanish. Every single native speaker of all of them I'd ever encounter will also know English.

Is it a good strategy to watch a movie you understand 5%-20% of as input? I started watching nico weg, it is good, i understood very little first time, i plan on rewatching it multiple times as my vocabulary expands.

>>225879957
What's the point in watching a movie you can't understand? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of watching a movie?

>>225880009
I understood 5% at first when i watched without subtitles in german, now my german is a bit better and i plan on watching with subs, after that i will take the short nico weg course on DW, and then keep rewatching it till i reach 90% understanding without subs.

>>225880115
I mean if you enjoy it and you're learning then go for it. I guess I was just viewing it from a narrow perspective, in that I only watch movies for entertainment.

It takes years for people to realize that input is absolutely worthless. You can only learn a language from grammar books

>>225879957
nico weg is not a movie

>>225881698
What is it?

>>225881894
a textbook listening exercise material

for people who never learnt Chinese and Cantonese, which of these can you understand better?

https://youtu.be/fnwcaQ8kMnQ

https://youtu.be/z8BpQvbPT7s

i want to see if other people think Cantonese is easier too or if I'm just going crazy

>>225879161
I wonder if fluent English speakers can understand songs like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNfeMaUBbo
I could understand maybe only 5% before reading the song lyrics.

How do you deal with the fact that you have wasted so much time on learning a skill that is meaningless in the age of AI translation?
Also, how would you motivate yourself to learning while keeping in mind that the quality of those translators will only keep getting better?

>>225882866
i could only hear words here and there, maybe natives can understand everything

>>225882876
ai translations don't change your brain (at least not for the better).

>>225882876
>>225878751

>>225882876
No skills are meaningful for their material output. You are dust.

>>225853213
I can't translate a single one of these sentences.

>>225883045
>>225883108
>>225883198
Very interesting

>>225882876
Will AI translation make me a Finn?
The closest to becoming a Finn I can ever hope to achieve is to speak or at least know Finnish.

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>>225908837

>Very interesting

>>225883356
Language is the least important part about being of a culture or nationality. Wouldn't you be able to become even more Finnish if you could just skip the language learning part and focus on the customs instead?

>>225883461
Wouldn't you feel like a shitbag if you moved to a country and didn't even try to learn the language? Learning it shows a deep level of respect and dedication. Without it you will be a nuisance, and you can hardly be using AI all day to navigate daily life but especially work.

>>225883461
Language is the second most important part with the first being ancestry.

>>225883461
take a social linguistics 101 course please

>Language is the least important part about being of a culture or nationality.
What an immensely retarded take.

Since English natives have no pressing incentive to learn any other language to actually speak to foreigners, Latin is actually the most useful language for us to learn since, discounting speaking with foreigners, it provides superior returns on investment in every other part of learning a language.

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>>225879957
>>225880115
>Is it a good strategy?
Probably not.
>Does it work?
Yes, I've done the whole listen only to native media pretty much from the start and it worked just fine. Though the beginning did require effort put into it, like stopping and translating sentences, looking up unknown words and replaying lines until I could pick out what was said correctly.
>>225882742
I listened a bit to both and found the Cantonese example easier to follow along, but that's probably because I felt like that guy had a better teaching style starting with single words while pointing and comparing to make clear what something was not.

>>225882876
>Also, how would you motivate yourself to learning while keeping in mind that the quality of those translators will only keep getting better?
the quality of the translator will improve, sure, but the retard who's going to be using it isn't and that's where my concerns for myself regarding that stop

>>225883505
I would feel like a shitbag.

>>225883534
That might vary by country as well.

>>225883589
No

>>225883681
That's why I wrote it.

>>225883690
How will Latin help me move to and live in Finland?

>>225884219
when a finnish man hits you with 'perkele' you can just respond with 'perceler' and feel an instant sense of connection and comradery forming between you two

>>225884158
>That might vary by country as well.
No it doesn’t. Some countries are just not nation-states.

>>225884219
You have a pressing need to speak to foreigners then and are among the minority of English speakers for whom Latin/French/German/Ancient Green wouldn’t be the obvious choices. In your case it just depends on your personal needs. If you were moving to Tibet I would tell you to learn Tibetan (and then classical Tibetan so you can read the literature).

>>225884460
*Greek

>>225884460
>Ancient Greek
which one

>>225885658
None of the dialects is really that different from the others

>>225878315
No, I took a semester of it in uni. Fuck that language and also fuck its lasting effects on English.
>>225879645
Spanish is more of a Southern border US thing. Given I am far closer to Quebec it would make more sense to learn French than Spanish. But see above.
>Asian languages
I can understand anime fatigue. I already have it.

Having spent a good deal of time in Japan and around Japanese people, I'm discouraged from studying Japanese seriously because learning the language is nowhere near enough to really understand Japanese people and culture. It is like the very basic requirement which is itself extremely hard to acquire

>>225871384
> I just absolutely fucking hate it, and can't believe I spent a year plus forcing myself to learn it.
Me with Japanese. I honestly cannot think of a worse "major" language on the planet. Obviously dogshit SE ones like Thai and Vietnamese are worse, but they're not major

>>225871384
>>225886468
what's up with britishers hating languages that aren't english?
go learn old english or ænglish, at least you won't be monolinguals

>>225886526
I hate English actually. The Slavs have the best languages, followed closely by the East Baltics (mainly Lithuanian)

>tfw no Nikos Weg for Arabic learners
Fucking Al Jazeere channel just do sth like Al-Tariqah Muhammed

You are too old and too jaded and too tryhard to do anything. If you want to learn a language, you must be 25 or younger and move to the country where it's spoken. Then you will learn your language. Ask anyone who can speak a foreign language perfectly and they will look at you in disbelief when you say stupid warped concepts like TL, practice, input, output, vocabulary, listening...
you are fighting a lost war
every single one of you
you can't even make peace with it

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>>225888969 >>225889455

It's never too late to learn a language. You can do anything you set your mind to. Anything is possible. The opposite would make me really sad, therefore it's not true. God wouldn't do that to us. We're on this planet to be happy after all!

>>225888494
Swimming against the currents whereas people who have zero clue are spectating from the shore, sometimes lazily turning their heads to offer superfluous platitudes, as if their perspective warrants, even commands it

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>>225885658
Memorize book 1 of the Illiad while reading a latin translation/commentary, while reading the New Testament Graece-Latine, while reading a latin-language grammar of Greek from the 19th century, while reading an attic direct method book.

Then, work through the remainder of Homer, and work forwards in time through Hesiod onwards to classical attic, and work backwards from the NT to ever more classicizing forms of Koine, then read the complete works of Aristotle, Plato, and Thucydides with Firmin-Didot Graece-Latine editions.

>>225888494
It's ogre
https://youtu.be/VKmdD73Z0fc

I'm making so much progress and having fun.
This shit is too easy for me. I'm already thinking about starting Chinese just to challenge myself.

>>225889928
nooooo STOP you are too old for this don't you know how much time you've been wasting

What level can i expect to reach in german after spending 1 year learning it 1 hour a day?

>>225889455
People really don't get it until they hit their 3rd, 4th, 5th year of learning a language and they're still permastuck.

>>225892087
Understand easier TV shows with subtitles, follow podcasts like Easy German, read easier genre fiction books with some lookups.
Basic formulaic conversations about every day topics.

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>>225892884 >>225893191

Anyone else find it hard to set up concrete goals in terms of language learning?

>>225892549
So basically B1? Sounds neat

>>225892556
>reach X hours of input
>read N books
>pass ABC level
>fool a native speaker for Z minutes
>visit TL country
>get a TL job
>reach third base with a native speaker

>>225892693
B1 in reading. B1/A2 in listening. A2 in writing/speaking. Or something like that, not all skills develop equally.

Is English the only language where natives measure people's value by how much money they earn? ("he's worth 1 billion")

>>225892556
are you the Japanese learner? just set your goal to 4000 hours of input. that's when people reach a good level from what I've read

>>225854524
Kio diable estas ĉi tio?

>>225892958
It's not how much a person earns, it's the net value of their assets.
>>225882866
Yeah, I can't really understand anything unless the music fades out.

>>225852097
Is finding a way to autotranslate 4chan and other websites I use to Spanish for free, forced input a good idea?

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>>225894839
You use other websites?

is this guy AI? How can someone be this much of a chad?
https://youtu.be/sQnwJsPNlGY?t=29

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>>225906718 >>225906830

How are you generating /momentum/ today /lang/?

>>225894839
Quit using other websites and only read INFOVATICANA articles.

https://infovaticana.com

Goodnight in my target language.

I feel anki turning into an annoying chore that keeps me up every night as I do it before bed

>>225900779
That’s no big deal as long as you don’t blame the task for needing to be done and instead blame yourself for not doing it at all better time

>>225900779
why use anki at all?

>>225900779
I do it before i start work

tell me about ass philip randolph

I am also starting to think that anki is not really that important, or as vital as people claim it to be.

what is Lang's consensus on vocal fry?

>>225898918
genero momentum in equo meo

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>>225909517 >>225911562

>>225900779
It's best to eat the frog in the morning, lad.

>>225898918
I'm violently farting and propelling myself towards new language learning challenges while leaving my enemies gasping for air.

3 languages done, onto the 4th

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf6UZlwipME

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>>225883405
This is how I browse btw

>ALG in the title
that's how you know it's going to be a banger CI
https://youtu.be/YpjaE1VRdgA

>>225906830
thus giving birth to a famous joke in sweden
"It's not the fart that kills you, it's the smell"
smell (smäll) = crash

Page 9

Im not sure how to study correctly after getting to an above beginner level.
Should I just consume media in TL and hope I pick up enough important vocab, or should I be actively studying specific vocab?

>>225911259
>Should I just consume media in TL and hope I pick up enough important vocab, or should I be actively studying specific vocab?
Both but get the specific vocab you study from your media consumption

>>225906830
slutfart = final speed