Why do so many tutorials and teachers suggest drawing people using boxes to beginner artists if this isn't something artists actually do?
To gatekeep the hobby. Obviously this failled because of the invention of AI gen images but the boxes meme has been a thing all pro artists use to keep normies out. The one thing normies lack though is imagination.
>>8072354It's called grifting. What makes more money? Someone who gets good at drawing by learning the proper methods and moving on? Or someone preforming a ritualistic form of hazing they think will make them good, but it doesn't so they're stuck in a perpetual feedback loop of infinite course memberships grind, where whatever little money they have left is constantly siphoned out because they'll never make it, they're not supposed to make it, they're supposed to be a paypiggy for course niggers and mentorships taught by subhuman retards and shilled to death by brainless fucking morons that lap up the next big thing their grifter shoves down their fat fucking gullet.
>>8072354Because (most) artist aren't drawing stick men, or drawing circles to make the head, or drawings mannequins for every figure, or any other of those things taught in the books or videos.They've gotten good enough where they intuit those things, and no longer need to draw every step in order to benefit from the techniques.There's also something to be said about how some methods may work for some, but not for others. This dude may hate boxes, and fair enough, but they worked for Bridgman and were how he primarily taught his student to think of the figure and its parts.One man's yuck, is another man's yum.However, I will completely agree with that guy that drawing hundreds of random floating boxes, or books full of circles, or whatever other stupid shit 'drawing exercises' are being preached, are going to completely destroy someone's will to continue drawing, and likely stunt their drawing abilities. Better to draw a crappy figure made of boxes, then to draw a bunch of floating 'in perspective' boxes.
>>8072354Because construction is the only way for normal people to draw from imagination.People who can draw without it are an anomaly. They are either so talented or so experienced that they don't need it anymore.
>>8072372this is the only place on the internet ive heard people push this idea that artists have gatekept art. where did this made up bullshit come from?
>>8072517the first time i saw that excuse was when ai was blowing up, it was every other reply on twitterretards will always make up an excuse for why they can't do something than own up to it, probably ego related
>>8072517I've heard it elsewhere. There are people who actively try to give bad advice and lead budding artists down bad directions, to take out the future 'competition'. Granted, I've heard people gloat about doing this sort of stuff on here more than anywhere else, but that doesn't change the fact that I have seen it elsewhere.
>>8072517I don't know who said it, but that is the conclusion you reach when you try to correlate many patterns:>people who shouldn't teach sell courses>all the courses are said to be for beginners>the courses are not good, and sometimes for intermediate (not beginner as advertised)If you try to force a connection, all this is to keep you down, buying beginner courses forever, generating a source of passive income while preventing the competition of new emerging artists.
>>8072517It's not gatekeeping but more like trying to see a product to retards.You can't learn to have talent. Either you have it or you don't. So any advice is redundant since a person with actual talent will always be better than you anyway.
>>8072526Drawing has nothing to do with "talent" but strong spatial awareness and visual memory. Some people were born with a knack for it, but it's something anyone can develop and refine provided they dedicate themselves to it, usually by working with clay and/or obsessively drawing with intent.>>8072354I honestly blame the push for boxes on everyone in the community developing the misconception that drawing from imagination is like a level you can reach in a video game by blindly grinding. That's retarded because "drawing from imagination" is really just memory/cognitive/imaginative (etc) drawing. If you draw a dog with references a thousand times, you can draw the dog from pure memory alone. The more you observe and study, the more it becomes second nature when you recall it. Hence why you need to draw EVERYTHING
>>8072354There are plenty of good answers in this thread but this one is missing:Because whenever someone tells you to "just draw" you throw a temper tantrum. So you are fucked either way. Get another hobby.
>>8072531>That's retarded because "drawing from imagination" is really just memory/cognitive/imaginative (etc) drawing. If you draw a dog with references a thousand times, you can draw the dog from pure memory alone. The more you observe and study, the more it becomes second nature when you recall it. Hence why you need to draw EVERYTHINGThat is literally grinding, you twat.
>>8072523>and sometimes for intermediate (not beginner as advertised)The fact that you say this tells me that nothing is ever good for you. Time to get another hobby anon.
>I don't know who said it, but that is the conclusion you reach when you try to correlate many patternsthat excuse falls apart when you see other new artists improving but when approached with that reality, another convenient excuse pops up>they're talentedgenuinely, this kind of person that endlessly searches for excuses needs to go away and take up something brainless like mowing a lawn or sweeping up garbage
>>8072591Literally everyone jokes about the intermediate courses not existing, retard
>>8072608Here's another joke for you: art has a clear-cut-at-the-joints beginner, intermediate, and master levels in education.It's a joke because it's bullshit. You don't learn "figure drawing for beginners." You learn "figure drawing." It's all the same components which you then combine together through practice.
art is such a strange hobby/skill cause certain people assign so much weight to it as an identity. its kinda like the boomer who tells you they could bench press 300lbs or were the captain of their football team in highschool. i think these people are just torturing themselves trying to learn so they can recreate the time in school when a girl said "wow you're really good at that!" as they were drawing some bullshit on their homework. art is all mostly bullshit and its best not to take it *that* seriously
Art is my only short at escaping the lowest rings of the rat race. I approach art the same way a wretch approaches the lottery, because they are one and the same.
>>8072354learning to draw is different from drawing finished pieces. one develops your skills, the other is about making art.in general teaching art is very hard so most teachers suck at it. it's hard to give general advice that works for lots of people. the best instruction is in person, 1 on 1 and personalized to the student.
>>8072354boxes actually work to get you started on understanding form. But most people who try to draw can't even get past drawing cubes. They spend years drawing them and they don't look any better and they don't look 3d, its like working out but refusing to eat well and monitor your growth. Its just a waste of time.Boxes don't automatiaclly make you good, when people I know start asking me how to get better and say they tried the boxes, it turns out they draw like 3 cubes and call it a day.
>>8072354Everyone talk about the box method but no one talk about the triangle method
>>8072523Most courses are for beginners because after that you should be able to improve through experimentation. If you can't you were just never gonna make it in the first place.>>8072624Art is borderline self-harm for a lot of people. People telling /permabeg/s that their drawings are good feels like giving the fat kid cake to cheer them up.
>>8072639haha same, it's like forging a (slightly) more likely to win lottery ticket. it's fun like gambling too, and way easier than trying to make friends
>>8072354I blame that Jeetbox or more like Cheat-a-box. In order to draw a fucking proper box you need PERSPECTIVE to properly put it into 3d space and PROPORTION to make it look like a fucking box. But without this understanding you end up with the stupid notion of drawing boxes randomly in a void like you're with trying to brute force drawing it doesnt work. These fucking dumbass Pajeets that shat up STEM came to art circles and grifted naive youngins into cheating these 2 fundies by drawing boxes improperly spaced and measured. How the FUCK will an artist understand how to properly draw a box by just grinding boxes randomly to fucking burnout? And then these same shiteating grifters have the fucking audacity to use terms like "Stack" and "queue" it's like motherfucker you aren't making data structures for software you are drawing something into space. You're doing art it's supposed to be fun and loose. Based Dermot set these fucking Indians straight.
