How do you positively affirm yourself that you arent a failure without deluding yourself when you make mistakes while drawing?
>>8068380Go to therapy and get medicated. Best art advice you can get
I am delusional
>>8068381Im moreso asking for wisdom from those that have either avoided spiraling or gone through rough patches before. Therapy isnt something that works for me.
>>8068380Honestly idk, I just saw some marvel guy draw spiderman and up until he did the shadows and color it looked like fucking shit, so I just dont know
When you face something that seems like an insurmountable wall how do you react? When someone says they can see something you cant, how do you not become hopeless? What are you supposed to do when you dont know where the line of good enough and perfection is? Its so hard to have something you love be so soul crushing when you cant see a way out.
>>8068400First of all you dont need to be an art critic, like there are tens (at least) of art youtubers doing line and color illustration who cant fucking color, they didnt need to be half as critical as somebody tackling all aspects of drawing, yet normies love their bs and they have like 100k subscribersSecond of all idk because I cant draw
>>8068392let's see the spiderman
They're just lines on a paper, man.Some are more meticulous about those lines than others.What excites you more; the finished product, or the act of getting there?
>>8068412m.youtube.com/shorts/hmXASYFsnyU
>>8068380I have found that "normal", sociable people are mentally much worse off than I am.Most people also can't do a fucking thing, they just get good at hustling. Most money in this world is made by hustling, so if you measure yourself by money or success you are just measuring how good you are at hustling. The thing people try to do when they meet someone who's trying to actually learn something is shoot that person down. This is why normies love AI so much.Even just for the fact you're actually trying to learn a craft you're in the 99th percentile. You should be proud even of being a /beg/shitter because you're on a path that the vast majority of people aren't even capable of considering.
holy retard son
>>8068381Worst advice you can ever give lmfaoooooo.
>>8068380drawing is indeed shitty if you live in a first world country. Its basically like working out, its just pure pain inexchange for trace amounts of dopamine. You're going to get a lot of thirdies attacking you because they don't understand what you're going through. Drawing for them is actualyl a step up from reality, so they can draw for hours without mental damage.You need to set small goals for yourself and draw things you like and BE PROUD of them, that's how you keep your sanity drawing.
>>8068479>BE PROUD of themI am for the most part but its like you're proud one moment then there are mistakes that you shouldnt be making at the level you'e at and then you start spiraling and trying to figure out how to make sure that doesnt happen. Maybe I have become afraid to make mistakes but its frustrating to keep making basic mistakes over and over.
>>8068479Working out is fun though, my only issue with it is that when I was going to the gym my iq would drop like 30 points at the end of every workout, its takes too much of a toll.
>>8068380Quite literally just stop doing that. When you catch yourself thinking too much, either move back to concrete strategies for improving, or stop thinking about it entirely. And stop comparing yourself to others outside of learning from what they're doing.
>>8068380Be kind to yourself and internalize that art is not a race. Always seek to learn more and be aware of what you need to work on. Don't overthink things. Get comfortable with the fact that you need to put in the work to get better and get out the shitty drawings so you can make less shitty drawings.
>>8068380>oh no, I made a mistake>I'll get it next time
>>8068660>the mistakes, theyre multiplying!
>>8068381>t.Big Pharma
I've been drawing more than ever why is it getting harder not easier I've been doing it for years with nothing to show my stomach is in knots
here are a few tricks I learned. The first is to stop making mistakes.1st: practical.Draw a cute girl using a pen without making any significant mistakes. No where in the process should it be painful to produce, there must be 0 trial and error, and no significant struggle. Again, you must be able to do this with a pen, so no erasing.Because this is difficult, I recommend keeping the scope small, just do a safe pose you're most comfortable with, no color. The goal is to be at least possible for you to make an entire drawing painlessly, because that is extremely useful to know how to do. remember you can always learn more angles and things later.2nd: TheoreticalInstead of deluding yourself and pretending failure isn't bad, i'd recommend embracing it, and just avoiding anything that tends to fail, and sticking to all strategies that have high success rates. You might think this leads to stagnation and is unambitious and lack of innovation, but I can assure you this is the farthest thing from the truth. As is often the case, the reality is the opposite of what you were taught, people don't really learn from their mistakes so much as they learn from their successes. Think about it, winning literally shows you how to to win. So in order to learn from a success, you just have to do what worked before a second time. And to learn from a mistake, you have to not make the mistake again. If you keep making the mistake over and over again, your mistake didn't teach you anything. And if you don't do or integrate what worked before, then the win didn't teach you anything.What happens when you apply this thinking in practice, is you take your best high success rate "things", hone in on them and develop them until drawing becomes easy, and avoid getting sidetracked on costly low-reward things. Its a bit like evolution, the fit animals reproduce and advance, while the failures die out. It isn't just some theory, its what I do and it works extremely well.
>>8068865sorry my brain hurts so im gonna be lazy and copy paste something I wrote before.i was drawing and getting frustrated because I wasn't able to do something well, and I could feel it coming on. I've been bad for a long time, so im very familiar with the pattern. but i consciously noticed I was getting frustrated, and I deliberately avoided going down that path getting frustrated about it, and instead just did something that was likely to give a good result.I wasn't going to let myself suffer anymore. my method says im supposed to avoid spending effort on things things that don't work. this was important not because of emotion, but committing to my practice from this point onwards. Im supposed to notice what are the things that I do that tend to fail whenever I do them. And I am supposed to notice when I am on the path of frustration. Once im aware i'm on that path, i get off and do something that typically works instead. and I just don't do those things anymore, because I know they don't work. I side step the whole frustration that way, and save a lot of effort. I am very good at this, and have not really gotten frustrated drawing since. not like before anyways.there are other things too, like not expecting to be good at something you never practiced. or never self depricating or beating myself up over something unless i am actually justifiably culpable of wrong doing - it must not have been reasonable for me to make the mistake, or I am being unjust against myself. i'm a christian, i'm not going to insult myself if i know it is unjust. because of this reasoning, I have not really self depricated since, pretty much just dropped the practice entirely. I tend to blame my process or system by which i do things instead.
>>8068876everything I ever tried in my life went just like this, for one reason or another. imagine my pain (nah dw I am fucked in the head so I just ignore it 90% of the time)yk art is rough because its evident that the only thing in your way is yourself, but what can you do if you happen to not be good enough at it? you cant just grit your teeth and run farther
Thanks guys! Alot of good wisdom here! >>8068884I think this mightve been one of the most important things I didnt know about before. I think it covers alot of the misunderstandings I mightve had about making art
>>8068894*wisdom and advice
>>8068876Are you just trying more ambitious things as you draw more frequently? Not a bad problem to have, you just need to put your failures into the proper perspective.
>>8068950it never stops feeling like pulling teeth trying to get a pose right. Im practicing more, I'm trying to be more deliberate, I'm working on a finished piece because I know you have to make what you want to see true improvement, I improved my structural understanding, I know what the issue is, but none of it helps if the execution isnt there
>>8068380Everyone makes mistakes while drawing. Even masters still do it. You just have to get to a point where it still looks acceptable anyway.
>>8068380Everyone here sucks and theres no good advice because they all suck and have no idea about shit. You affirm yourself by seeing your progress. You can see that your work now is objectively better than what you were drawing a year ago. And WAY better than 5 years ago. This feels good and you continue to chase the feeling by continuing to practice and getting better. Its the exact same process as lifting weights or running.
unbind ctrl + Z and make the mistakes your gimmick
hurting peoples eyes is NOT a gimmick I want
>>8068380Retard.
>>8068380i'm ok at drawing and otherwise mentally ill cause my life kinda sucks. i develop my skill through making constant mistakes and just erasing and trying again>>8068381i'm on like 50mg zoloft, do not start that shit op you will never get off of it
>How do you positively affirm yourself that you arent a failure without deluding yourself when you make mistakes while drawing?You aren't a failure. You're a failure when you stop and give up. Winning involves tons of failing and analyzing those failures and gathering other resources so you can do better next time. Take your Ego out of it. Even the most seasoned professionals have bad days and mess up a drawing, you just don't see those on top of them knowing how to fix mistakes from making them numerous times. Training lessens those mistakes but you still can make them. There's no judgement about YOU in there, it's not about you, it's about the Art Work getting done and the more you refine your process the better your drawings will look until one day you'll make a piece you're happy with. No delusion necessary, just physics and the scientific method. Drawing isn't magic. Anyone can do this, but you actually have to DO the work, build a process analyze the process, gather knowledge about other processes then apply what you learned and not blindly copy. The real problem is often focus because there's so much shit knowledge out there and so many styles people tend to spread themselves thin and waste years on things that won't help them accomplish their goals.
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