>>8067742
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>8067743
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to [email protected], however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>8067745
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

>>8067742
>pedoshit OP
Fucking retard

>>8067753
What is a tourist even doing in a manga making thread?

>>8067754
>HURR DURR WE ALL PEDOS HERE AM I RIGHT?
Suck start a shotgun.

>>8067727
>YOU BETTER MAKE MANGA!!
I'm here just to talk about manga

>>8067742
Is this porn?

>>8067772
No. Just a cute slice of life with little girls.

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>>8067820 >>8067821

Alice-anon, if you need an assistant for your upcoming serialization, please post here or in Ganmo, I'd like to work on your manga.

>>8067787
Get a load of this bottom feeding faggot. You will never be a mangaka.

>>8067787
blog?

>>8067821
Bro its literally the same guy who keeps spammin about that one anon who showed his Alice pitch its not his actual art

I see this in western comics and localized manga but why are italics and bold words overused? Like every text bubble has at least one. Most of the time the emphasis isn't even needed.

>>8067839
I try to use them rarely to signify nouns that I want the reader to remember. Or if its a persons speaking style to emphasize words.

>>8067839
Dont just consider emphasis but consider how it can differntiate how one character speaks versus another. It can imply that they have a unique inflection and a way of saying things.
Also if nothing else seeing the font play out the exact same way looks boring on the page

>>8067843
Do you have examples? Because that seems like the exact case to overuse.

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>>8067862 >>8067951

>>8067849
heres an example of it being overused

>>8067858
This sequence plays out fine in isolation anon. I suppose if this were a repeated pattern throughout the pages a reader can notice the pattern and get tired of it but if this is done sparingly then something like your pic can work just fine.

>>8067862
I just wanted to hate on clock striker. Theres worse examples but I don't know where the comic is posted online to search

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>>8067870 >>8067875 >>8067881 >>8068357 >>8068472 >>8069617

Is it better to have your art style become gayer over time or less gay?

>>8067865
Just seems like a complete devolution of artstyle than anything. I'm actually not terribly familiar with Jojo, so I wouldn't have even guessed these were the same character.

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>>8067880 >>8068475

>>8067865
Toriyama's art also heavily devolved. I'm a fan of both mangaka, but I can't stand their latest works. I always have to argue about it with fanboys too.

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>>8067875

>>8067865
it getting gayer was a good thing, middle to late part 7 has some of his best work ever, and if you extend it specifically to color work and stand alone pieces he was still putting out bangers thru a large chunk of part 8, it's clear he lost his new spark that he got from the monthly serialization at some point during jojolion tho (or at least his age caught up to him) and he defaulted to much more squished samey characters and messier linework

>>8067839
It's standard practice in comic typesetting, going back to the mid-20th century. The idea is they italicize/bold the keywords in the text bubble, I guess with the intention of making it clearer for speedreading kiddos.
Personally I hate it. Makes every line of dialog read like it's dripping with sarcasm, and it often feels like the wrong words are highlighted.

>>8067842
For the love of god please don't. It just feels like you're talking down to the reader, saying "remember this one dummy". Trust your readers a little more. Nobody likes feel patronized, not even dummies.

>>8067843
>Also if nothing else seeing the font play out the exact same way looks boring on the page
I have never once in my life felt this. The text is just the medium through which the dialog is conveyed. Ideally I don't even notice I'm reading text at all. Playing with that only takes me out of it, makes me conscious of the text and gets in the way of following the story smoothly. No likey, no sir.

Let‘s say I finished my first chapter. Realistically what should I do next.
Upload somewhere and hope people will find it?

>>8067891
The only other option is to submit it to some sort of publisher or contest.

>>8067891
Sent it to publishers.
>https://mgmangaaward.mixgreen-inc.com/
>https://www.jump-mangasho.com/award/tezuka-akatsuka/
>https://youngjump.jp/48mangasho.shueisha/

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>>8067914 >>8067926 >>8068090 >>8069438

It's done.

https://globalcomix.com/read/40554bfa-a4c9-4d9c-87c2-1eaff536543b/1

>>8067892
Yeah, do they look for fresh artists or do they want to see you having followers already?
>>8067901
Not that i have a n actual choice. I would get whatever someone offers me. But there are 3 possibilitys.
Japan, i don't know the language, my comic is not Japan centered as well.
America, feels like most open to any kind of comic and it has a potentially big market.
A small publisher from my own country. I can use a language a know, but it's basically a dead end right? But probably the most realistic way to get something going at all.
>>8067904
I will write a review later.
From the first glance art looks top tier amateur. Paneling is weird, though.

reminder there's not a single successful white male mangaka

reminder white males make up less than 1% of aspiring mangaka.

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>>8067929 >>8067930 >>8067933 >>8067934 >>8067941 >>8068092 >>8068104 >>8068211 >>8068277

>>8067920
I'm sorry for bringing this up again, but I still haven't found a clear answer to it.
Why hasn't anyone in the west been able to make something on par with manga?

Let's take away all the unnessary details and get down to the bare minimum.
It doesn't have to actually be financially successful, that's an issue of marketing, advertising, etc.
Whether pic related made millions of dollars or nothing at all, makes no difference to the fact that it looks great.
The freetime/workethic/production schedule is not important either. Manga artists doing it as their job put in like 10+ hours a day, but they also produce huge quantities of work in a relatively short time. It doesn't really make much difference whether a completed manga took 2 years or 10 years, or was just a bit shorter. You can absolutely make a long enough story to be worthwhile as a weekend warrior.

I'm just not seeing the obstacle here. Anyone could have drawn pic related, or any other super successful manga. As just lines on a page, that's all it is.
Why can I not go to twitter or whatever and just find some random western dude posting their art they made for fun but which is at a level high enough to stand alongside manga? What's the issue?

>>8067904
It will be quite harsh anon.
The good thing is the art, you could make a successful manga with your art skills. Your storytelling is bad, though.
Cover: the girl is good, boring pose, but could work. The graphical elements are bad. The cover looks way more amateurish than the comic itself. I think you will lose a big procentage of potential readers with the cover alone.
Panels are weird, as i said earlier. Some have no gutters at all. Some pages have a giant horizontal gutter and very thin vertical gutter, why? You did too much of the "look at me i'm a westerner and i'm smart with my pannels"-thing.
First page, too much of some guys talking about something. Do a big establishing shoot, or show the mc better.
The whole story is, there is a hostage situation, 3 girls met, on says like the nephew of mu aunt is the hostage taker and she was nice to me, therefore i will sneak in and save him? And than one of the girls head transforms into a monster?
Makes no sense for a normal story. If it supposed to be bizarre and absurd i don't think it works.
Page 5. Is it supposed to be Fujimoto style of reaction shot? It does not work. The drawing itself is confusing, first i thought the girls were fighting over the cup, before i realised, the hand belongs to the giant titted moe girl.
1 shot the look confused.
2 shot the look at each other.
1 shot they have the same look as in 1
I don't know, it's not bad, bad. But unnecessary.
Fujimoto has characters that are all fucked up. Just showing them be that makes sense. Thats more oldschool film making. In a modern Netflix adaptation the guy would to to a shrink ant tell him how fucked up he is and stuff.

The nonsensical cool poses and jumps are really unnecessary in my eyes. If you want show action, write a story that has action in it, you know?

Make me like the mc, or at least find her interesting before anything else.

I sound like a hater, probably, i respect the amount of work, but i don't think it works very well.

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*clear throat*
Otomo's speedlines.

>>8067924
There is no pipeline from the west to Japan. 10 years ago, without ai-translators, internet adaptation and so on, it was basically impossible.
The biggest thing is. You are a talented artist and storyteller in America. You have sooo many ways to make stuff, comics, games, movies, all in your own language in your own country. You would have to deny soo many opportunitys it's just makes no sense.
So all the talented people are filtered. Only hardcore weebs left. And now those mids have to compete against the talented people in Japan with their hands tied behind their backs.

>>8067924
cont
I'm not trying to bash the west, pointing out that basically nobody has succeeded. I present it as a serious problem.
If there is some obstacle that is preventing us from making something onpar with manga, then we need to clear that obstacle first. Continuing to make subpar works is meaningless if the quality never improves.

Is there an obstacle at all? anime and manga is bigger than ever before, maybe the obstacle is just a lack of exposure to good inspiration material, and maybe that means the obstacle is gone now and within a few years from now we will start seeing some serious works appear.
Maybe it's just a statistical issue? Maybe Japan just has soo many more artists doing manga than the west has doing comics that we just simply haven't rolled the dice enough to find a worthwhile example.

My big fear is that the issue is mindset. That the way the cogs are turning in the heads of Japanese artists is just different from ours, and we don't get it.
As you make your lines, what are you thinking? What is that line? What is the nature of this stylized art that cartoony yet not cartoony? When they draw their noses as dots, are they thinking of dots or are they thinking of 3d forms and it just comes out like a dot, but that we fail to see this and copy a dot?
It's just lines on a page, but of course it is more than that, it's the knowledge to draw the right lines.

I've watched all of Manben and read countless interviews of manga artists, I've heard them talking about their mindset and philosophy and inspirations, etc. I've seen them making their lines. I've seen all their tricks but I'm still not getting it. What is the issue?

Found out regular Molotow refill for black markers works very well with Japanese dip nibs, very good flow, very mat. Works even with the tiny maru pens.
I was annoyed at how shiny my india ink tries, i was looking for some alternative. Manga ink is very expensive. I bought the big ass bottle of refill for 10 euros or something and it works perfectly fine.

>>8067926
not him but it's chapter 6 did you read the rest for context

>>8067924
imo its in part like how NFL/NBA attracts all the top tier talent who could've exceled in other sports burgerland is more underwhelming in
the big artistic talent just work in other areas like the film industry leaving a much smaller mostly amateur pool working on manga
could change in the coming years as manga's global influence has become undeniable though

>>8067924
It's just a matter of supply and demand. Nobody reads manga in the west. If you want to share your manga art on Xitter then you will have to pretend to be Japanese and use japanese hashtags because the only people there who care about manga are Japanese. There just is no culture for this in the west.

>>8067932
>not him but it's chapter 6 did you read the rest for context
Oh, sorry, thought it's first. That would change a lot, i guess.
Not sure if i gonna read all of it, though.

>>8067934
anime culture in the west has been taken over by ironic weebs and e-girls

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Forgot to attach a Fujimoto example, as well. Not my best review.

>>8067936
Yea it's pretty much just americans being retarded gooners. If you don't pander to their taste nobody cares about you.

>>8067938
But manga popular in America is mostly normie tier, no?

>>8067939
Normies would never care about random westerners making manga. They are busy consuming their mainstream shit.

>>8067914
Legends like Araki and Toriyama both made their debut by submitting their works to contests. Neither would win, but they still got necessary recognition and attention from editors. They kept doing that until getting something published/serialized. Modern mangaka like Gotouge followed a similar path. Even mangaka like Sui Ishia who made a few independent projects before Tokyo Ghoul, would later enter contests.

ONE, the creator of One Punch Man, is often used as an example of how anyone can make it by randomly uploading their manga online, but even he wouldn't have gotten anywhere if it weren't for a professional in the industry reaching out to him. That's not very different from someone like Toriyama who had professionals reach out to him after entering contests.

If you wanted fame & success as a westerner, your best bet would be trying to top the charts of sites like webtoon and hope to get published. However, there isn't much of an audience there for specific genres. Unless you want to write romcoms for women in their mid twenties, I feel it's hopeless. Learning Japanese and potentially moving to Japan is also an option, albeit an unrealistic one that only adds to the crushing workload of this hobby.

Sorry for sounding a little doomer-like, but this is reality.
>>8067924
Read what I wrote above. There is no industry in the west. Without an industry, there's no incentive to create anything in this genre for any reason other than personal enjoyment. This also causes an overall low quality of work. You don't have 1,000,000 different young Japanese men all competing with each other and trying to stand out among the rest.

>>8067941
>Unless you want to write romcoms for women in their mid twenties, I feel it's hopeless.
This. The only professional manga artists in my country are literally women drawing romcoms. that seems to be the only way how to get published here.

You probably would have bigger chances getting published if you create manga-inspired band dessine comics and reach out to some french publishers.

>>8067941
Yeah, actually a lot of foids like mainstrem shonen as well, as long as there are enough girls and cute man.
So a dark shonen should or a lighter seinen should work fine, if it's good of course.

For me personally, the goal is to make 20k a year. That would give me the freedom to pursue manga full time and get as obsessed as possible with it. And hopefully land a hit.
15k would work as well. 10k or less would be shit, but could still work...
That's not thaat much.

>>8067947
>actually a lot of foids like mainstrem shonen as well
Well, the key point here is probably MAINSTREAM, foids are biologically drawn to mainstream, but i think it could work, as long as you give a little bit extra quality over the competition.

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>>8067954

>>8067858
Why is it ALWAYS like this with western manga?

>>8067949
that's why saying art doesn't matter is a cope it's hard to get attention even with good art good luck getting anyone giving second of their time to your beg scribbles

>>8067951
What am I looking at?

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Volume 3, first review. Like come on, if you want make manga, but not willing to grind at least for a couple of years, the fuck are you actually doing?

>>8067934
>Nobody reads manga in the west.
This is just patently untrue, and you sound like an oblivious retard.

>>8067953
>that's why saying art doesn't matter is a cope
100% paneling, char design, composition... short visual storytelling is more important than the dialogs in a manga.
I think what people say most of the time. If your storytelling, char dis, composition and so on are good, high detailed rendering is not that important.

>>8067954
At 3 volumes published in 3 years.

>>8067958
It isn't even all that uncommon for manga to take like 6-8 months for the next volume to come out, even for actual official Japanese ones where the work is already done and all that needs to be done is translate, typeset, and print the volumes.

Especially for smaller publishers like Seven Seas.

>>8067959
Do they have assistants?

>>8067959
Ditch the publisher, post online. This shit is poison for any success.
Grind as hard as possible, it's not hot enough, pause it, start a new manga.
Maybe in the 80s it was different. But today momentum is everything. The momentum of your story. And the momentum of your publishing schedule.

>>8067956
Obviously there are people who read manga but it's not enough to get any recognition as an amateur.
There barely is any doujin culture in the west. The whole industry is centralized in Japan to the point you will have to learn Japanese to get any recognition.

>>8067962
pyw

>>8067961
You will gain a reputation as an author who doesn't finish anything and any small number of fans you do have will be disappointed.

>>8067961
>Ditch the publisher, post online. This shit is poison for any success.
Well, yeah, I actually completely agree with this, but it was kind of irrelevant to the point that I am making. I'm just saying it isn't uncommon for like, the English version of a Japanese tank to have half a year or more between releases, even on official, professionally published works.

I agree that online is the way to go, and then if you do physical print books, you offer bonus materials, or other stuff to incentivize people to still buy, or your dedicated fans may still buy anyway.

>>8067962
>There barely is any doujin culture in the west
A big part of this is that fan-doujins are a big thing in Japan, and because the west generally has a chokehold on their IPs and are so gung-ho about going after "copyright infringements" it is an idea that kind of dies on the vine. That being said, I think there are plenty of people who just completely overlook anime conventions, since tons of people sell their stuff at artist alley, and have books and other work.

So many people just completely ignore or don't even look at information so they assume no one is making any money, but I've seen plenty of people on YT who can make even 5 digits in a single weekend at big, well-known cons. Its just that there are tons of drawbacks to big cons, and you can still make money at smaller cons, just not as much. But they tend to be way less work.

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>>8067974 >>8067976

>>8067920
Even brown indian can get serialized.
Seriously, what is wrong with you all, white goys?
All you have done is just made Japan become more woke and pro-censorship.

>>8067971
white people are too busy watching podcasts about how the world is ending to do anything

>>8067970
>people on YT who can make even 5 digits in a single weekend at big, well-known cons
Not everyone in the west lives in USA where they have big comic cons.

The west as a whole might be a big manga consumer but if you just take a single country in the west then chances are big that there is barely any culture surrounding manga in it.

>>8067971
see >>8067922

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>>8067823
>its not his actual art
do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>8067975
They're not all just in the US. Some of them are in places like Canada, the UK, Germany, etc.

I mean, I can't exactly say myself how big those cons are, and sure, it might not be able make those same numbers everywhere, but the truth is that many people here don't seem to take it seriously, and like it really is: A job. You have to actually put the effort and work into it, a lot of time, and kind of be multi-faceted making lots of different things. Some of these people are making money on five or six different things (cons, online shops, book sales, patreon, etc.)

>>8067979
>many people here don't seem to take it seriously, and like it really is: A job
It's just not a realistic carreer path. Getting published is very difficult and your options are very limited in the west. Add to this that making manga is very difficult in general and you simply don't have a realistic chance of ever making money with this.

I just draw for myself. I don't ever expect t get published. That's also why I draw whatever I want.
I will try to get commissions on the internet maybe and if that doesn't work maybe I will change my style to something more "family firendly" . But I don't expect to ever make a living with this.

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>>8067967
Nobody will care for an obscure title that never got a following. If you have people to care, than sure, that would be bad for your reputation.
>>8067970
>the English version of a Japanese tank to have half a year or more between releases
The momentum is carried on by the Japanese fans, and by people reading online. I don't know why they do it, but i don't see how it would help with anything.
If it takes you too long, you will loose the people who would like to read the story first time on paper.
>>8067979
>Germany
I know some people who has visited German anime cons, they say it's quite big. I never visited. Probably i could print out my manga and try to sell for a couple of bucks, but without a license it may give me jail time.
I hate poorope so much, bros. I want to live in a jungle paradise with cute brown girls, like the Philippines and not in this third world shit hole.

Can someone tell whats up with this "alice guy"?

>>8067984
I believe even the worst manga here could get at least one regular reader.

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>>8067991 >>8067999

There is a joint venture of 4 eu publishers. 4 biggest comic languages/countries after English and Japanese. Namely Italian, Spanish, German and French of course.
They even bring out a magazine, every quarter of the year.
https://mangaissho.com/
All auteurs are female...

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>>8067992 >>8068044

I don't want to make stuff like this.

>>8067988
Also notice how young they all are.
If you aren't published already in your 20s it's basically over.

>>8067990
Don't do stuff like that... or what?
I would actually like to. If i had an extra life to spare, i would like to start a shojo series and switch it to something edgy and incely after a while, to troll the foids, haha.

>>8067991
What? Most of them are late 20s, early 30s?
I'm actually surprised they that old.
Seeing the quality and themes of the comics i would assume most of them are teens.

>>8067994
20s and early 30s is not old.

I gave an example of why it's hard to succeed: Industry.

It is not because you are not Japanese. It is not because you are not a woman.

>>8067995
Aspiring Japanese mangaka are around 20-25.
From what we can see you can be on top of the game till your late 50s, after that you get slower or and worse.
So, yeah, even if you're 40, you have still15 good years, most likely. And if you smart enough with managing assistants, 10-20 years more.

>>8067988
Does anybody read this?

こんなもの、誰が読むんだ...?

バカな、外国人ごときに漫画など描けるはずがない。

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>>8067999
Usually if the numbers are public, gemini knows them.

Gemini says high tier cartoonist from this mag sell in the 100k, mids 10-50k and noobs less.
But i doubt it to be honest.
Those are the numbers of Centuria, one of the hype Shonen Jump titles.
• Volume 1: ~2,040 copies sold initially.
• Volume 2: ~2,569 copies.
• Volume 3: ~3,500 copies.
• Volume 5: ~4,465 copies.

So a literally who from europastan sells ten and hundred times more?
Really? Europa is not a shit hole after all?

>>8068005
you are literally latinx.

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I'm still reading Chansaw Man. And Fujimoto never uses cartoonish or chibby versions of his characters. I read on reddit, many fans like that a lot. They say it's more serious this way. Less suspension of disbelieve required (would be my explanation for that).
What i thought, would a bizarrely "realistic" art like pic related work? I don't think Fuji ever uses it on human faces, on demons only.
What do you think, is too cartoonish in a sense and would be perseved less serious as well?

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>>8068012 >>8068015 >>8068018 >>8068652

It has never been a better time to become a manga artist in Japan than now, anon.

>>8068006
>latinx
I wish, bro, i wish.

>>8068010
>It has never been a better time to become a manga artist in Japan than now, anon.
This, but unironically.
3rd world war is comming, they will shot down the internets world wide, the boys will sitt in the trenches, attacked with mustard gas non stop. What will they do? Read paper manga of course.

>>8068011
Why lie? I know you just made that thread complaining about anatomy in some hentai. The text is in spanish.

>>8068010
NONE OF US ARE IN JAPAN!

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>>8067985
>Can someone tell whats up with this "alice guy"?
An actual 4channer who has made it into the industry.
>https://desuarchive.org/a/search/username/manganon/
>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7778659#p7779691
>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7790007#p7797044

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>>8068010
I'm currently busy getting genocided and replaced by sandniggers. I don't have time for manga.

I think I'll be a big success here when I finally debut my manga.

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>>8068018
Sometimes you genocide them and sometimes they genocide you.

>>8068018
You have time to doomscroll all day though

>>8068022
At least I can be successfull at this

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>>8068341 >>8068465

People recommend using gouache for corrections.
So i used titanium from winsor and newton. Had to do several passer, the coverage wasn't great.
But okey, after drawing over my lines had craquelure on them, like pic related. The fuck gone wrong? What should i use insted, acrylics?

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>>8068023

Hello guy I am making an manga about powerfull battles. I am manga creator from russian but I learn english to reach a biged audiance to maked my mangas please read my story

I selled my car to make my manga

>>8068040
>please read my story
Another no-draw, welcome to the club.

>>8067990
>>8067992
Webtoon is a very unfair platform. The only things that get any exposure at all are things that are already the most popular with massive followings, and it's largely theorised that you have to pay to get your stuff put on the front page to be seen.
Furthermore it has no real separation of genres or demographic so every category is just the same stuff. And it's pretty much exclusively romance slop for women.

If you posted Demon Slayer on here, imagining that it never existed elsewhere, it would get no exposure whatsoever.

>>8068042
You fuckers do everything but drawing.

>>8068046
Please I have wife and she say she will leave me if my manga don't make any money please please read my manga so I can get anime deal and move to japan from russia

>>8068047
>I have wife
Half of Tatarstan have your wife.

>>8068016
>editor asks him to whore out his girl more
Emergency gigachad.

>>8068058
Unironically, i would not do that.

>>8068016
I still don't get it.
So this one guy left the tread and the other anon is asking every time if he is still there or not?

>>8068065
schizos often cling strongly to one singular thing and post about it everyday for years, sometimes decades. It could be the most insignificant of things, maybe a cashier asks them if they like a certain band, and then everyday for the rest of their life, everytime they speak to that cashier they talk about that band, they don't even particular care about it themselves, they're just crazy people

>>8068044
this is the truth. webtoons first of all are not even manga. Calling them comics is a stretch too. Its more like pulp fiction comics but with a modern slop twist. They successfully created the shittiest product imaginable and of course the main consumer of it is women. I think most people here are not interested in making romance slop meant to be hit a checklist of tropes.

When we're talking about manga, most people here are talking about something similar to the golden age of early 2000s, where a well drawn and cool manga manga can just be created by one talented artist, be good or even decent, and then people read it because they like it. That world is over. And it never even existed in the west. We simply dont have a population that reads manga. Youth that read manga today are reading what they are told to read by the zeitgeist, they're not actually perusing catalogs and trying things out. So in a way, art quality is the most important. You can't just make a story that's amazing, most people online now don't have the mental capacity to appreciate and be moved by a good story. They only care about art quality and social approval.

so "making it" as a westerner has never been about skill. You can't just make a great story and then get popular, that era of planet earth is over. Its better to focus on the last generation of people who remember the world before covid and before social media and try to carve uot a little spot for yourself on the internet. Because its going to get a low browner and dumber and artificial.

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here's another test page I quickly threw together, I gotta get started on a one shot short after this.

What's the most well drawn webcomic/amateur online comic book purely in terms of art quality?

Is Ramia-Yana pretty much the best the current scene has to offer?

>>8068072
>they only care about art quality
>so "making it" as a westerner has never been about skill
art is a skill genius

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>>8068072
I've been trying to pinpoint the exact kind of comic/manga I mean when I say I want comics more like manga.
The easy answer is, it's just mainstream anime/manga, but what is it? How can I describe it without saying mainstream anime/manga?

When I'm asking for comics, I say I don't want capeshit, and so they give me the Walking Dead, but I don't want that either, so they give me Transmetropolitan or something, I don't want that either, so they give me Asterix, and I just keep going through all the wrong picks, Judge Dredd, Scott Pilgrim, Sin City, Saga, Cerebus, Dick Tracy, Tintin, Blacksad, Usagi Yojimbo, The Boys, Watchmen, Flash Gordon, etc etc, I don't want any of these.
These don't appeal to me, and they don't appeal to anyone like me either. There is a kind of person, like me, who will watch something like Deathnote or Bleach, and who will likely also enjoy One Punch Man and Naruto, who will also enjoy Fullmetal Alchemist and Yugioh, and there's also a good chance that they'll branch out and enjoy things like Sailor Moon, Lucky Star, and K-On, It's the typical anime fan, it's a clear sphere of interest with a hotspot at the those largest titles.

It's obviously a huge market, and I want people to start making western comics like it, both so I can have more to read, so I can buy more without having to bother with translation or imports, so I can have stuff that reflects my own culture and environment, is made by people of my own country and presents a career path for artists in the west that is similar to what Japan has with manga, so that even myself, if I'm good enough, could make a comic, call it a comic, have it be beloved by people in the same way that people enjoy anime/manga, and not have to deal with any of the baggage of it being some foreign thing.

>>8068086
Making a comic that's like manga instead of manga, would just make your potential audience smaller.

>>8068086
cont
If I ever get anywhere with my own indie comic, I want to group together with some other people in the same position as me, and form a little pseudo publisher, a circle of people making the same kinds of comics, if you like one, you'll probably like the others.
I've been in a few indie comic circles before, but they're just not making the kinds of comics I'm talking about.
I see alot of porn, alot of political comic stips, alot of weird esoteric stuff, or something autobiographical thing about their parents divorcing or something.
It's just not what I really care about.

I like some more niche manga... but I only read them after I had already read things like Naruto and Deathnote, and if those bigger titles didn't exist, I probably would never have bothered with the medium at all.
I want to find or make an indie comic scene where the people in it are making comics that would be publishable in Weekly Shonen Jump and adjacent magazines. I don't mean in terms of the workload and publishing schedule, I mean just the comic itself. That kind of comic.

>>8068087
The terminology is difficult, because manga means made in Japan
But I really don't give a shit about whether it's made in Japan or not. It's the thing itself that is good. If Naruto or whatever was made in the west, but it was exactly the same story, art, everything, it would make no difference.
When I say "I like manga not comics" I'm talking about the content itself, not its origin. I would very much like if comics were the same as manga, to the point where drawing a distinction would be meaningless, beucase both would be worth reading.

>>8067904
Congrats man. You've been drawing this one for a while, right? I don't remember when you started but it's been at least a year. Good job on continuing to chip away at it this whole time.

>>8067914
>Yeah, do they look for fresh artists or do they want to see you having followers already?
Japanese publishers don't care about your existing following. It's nice to have but they're not going to reject anybody on grounds of not having enough pre-existing followers. Lots of popular authors have no online presence to speak of.
I wouldn't submit to a publisher unless you're willing to work with a publisher though. Just release it online and keep making more.

>>8067924
>Why hasn't anyone in the west been able to make something on par with manga?
What does this even mean? Watchmen. Batman. Superman. Spiderman. Tintin. Asterix. Moebius's works. And so on. All monumentally successful works. "on par" by what metric? Just how much YOU personally like them? Why are you asking us?

>>8068089
If Chansaw Man (which is already more westernized than most other manga) was drawn and published in America but otherwise would look the same, it would be less popular. If it would be the same story, paneling, but drawn like a typical western comic, it would be significantly less popular.

>>8067979
>the truth is that many people here don't seem to take it seriously, and like it really is: A job. You have to actually put the effort and work into it, a lot of time, and kind of be multi-faceted making lots of different things.
If you treat it like a job you get 3 books in 3 years. You're vastly underestimating the AMOUNT of work and effort required for the crazy release schedules of manga. It's not a job, it's the one and only thing you do. If you want to have a life outside of manga you need to hire a team.

>>8068093
Same would be true if it had been published by anything but jump
If jagaan was somehow in jump it would have been chainsawman before chainsawman

>>8068092
>Just release it online and keep making more.
Releasing online is a no brainer, otherwise it will just sit on my hard drive.
I think i will submit something to the big Japanese publishers, Mix Green and so on, just to get the feeling of it.
But otherwise the most realistic possibility for me is to try to land a one shot in the eu-mag i posted above.

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>>8068092
There's a big discrepancy between the works on the left here, and the works on the right.
Both in content and audience.
Yeah it's what I personally like, but it's also what hundreds of millions of people also like, and that's the audience I'm talking about. And that audience, of which I am a part of it, really likes the stuff on the left, and doesn't give a shit about the stuff on the right.

And what I'm asking for, is why can't we just make stuff like on the left?
Like it doesn't even exist in the west, there's not a single example that you can point to, of a comic that even remotely appeals to the same audience that likes the stuff on the left. Not one.

>>8068097
>Same would be true if it had been published by anything but jump
No, not necessary. I mean they did the safe edgy trick and published a seinen-leight title in a shonen mag, sure. It would be still more popular as if Fujimoto would have went to Image Comics or Dark Horse.
>If jagaan was somehow in jump it would have been chainsawman before chainsawman
You're joking, aren't you? It looks like shit and the story is stupid. It has zero mainstream appeal as well.
It's not even close.

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>>8068100
>There's a big discrepancy between the works on the left here, and the works on the right.

>>8067924
>Why hasn't anyone in the west been able to make something on par with manga?
Something as commercially huge as mangas? That's a big subject. Something as culturally "unique"? You just have to look harder. The comics industry doesn't stop at Capeshit for Americans and Astérix for Frenchies. There is a lot more to panels on pages than those two extremes but, just like DC/Marvel, it's all about money. There are a lot of fucking industries that will finance animes at a loss to sell plastic for money. Those industries have all the incentives in the world to make it so it is internationally recognized and loved. More fans=More sales.

That's all there is to it.

>>8068100
>there's not a single example that you can point to, of a comic that even remotely appeals to the same audience that likes the stuff on the left. Not one.
JoJo exists, bro.

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>>8068114

>so-called manga enthusiast
>only reads shonenshit released 5 minutes ago

>>8068098
>I think i will submit something to the big Japanese publishers, Mix Green and so on, just to get the feeling of it.
That's a good mindset to have. Worst you can get is a "no thanks", which is really no problem.

>>8068100
>there's a big discrepency between [manga I cherrypicked for my argument] and the works on the right
Yes, no shit.
Now compare Tintin to Shin-chan, Asterix to Astro Boy, Moebius' works to Nausicaa (which was directly inspired by Moebius btw). Cape comics are just shounen manga. No, not in the sense of being a genre like people often (erroneously) think, but in the sense of being comics aimed at boys. No, I don't mean the modern zombiefied cape comics, I mean the golden years.
>here's not a single example that you can point to, of a comic that even remotely appeals to the same audience that likes the stuff on the left. Not one
You're right. American and European authors aren't aiming for a japanese audience very often. Well observed!

>>8068108
You described 99,9% of non-Japanese mangaka right there.

>>8068112
>You're right. American and European authors aren't aiming for a japanese audience very often. Well observed!
Not him. But the Japanese do not as well, or they haven't for the longest time, i think now they try to with the online stuff.
So they never tried and still outperformed the westerners on their own play field. Isn't that odd?

>>8068118
>But the Japanese do not as well, or they haven't for the longest time, i think now they try to with the online stuff.
You think japanese authors aren't aiming for a japanese audience?
Are you for real?
>So they never tried and still outperformed the westerners on their own play field. Isn't that odd?
What a weird thing to say. I listed a bunch of old comics that very much performed exceedingly well as comics. Manga is eating comic's market in the modern day largely because comics STOPPED (was, now isn't) trying to appeal to its primary audience.
And btw it wasn't "without trying". There was a quite a large push to bring manga overseas, actually.

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I'm putting together a list of all the types of western comics. Have I missed anything?

>>8068100
>four manga aimed at the same audience
>four comics aimed at different audiences
read more manga retard

>>8068123
>You think japanese authors aren't aiming for a japanese audience?
I mean they don't try to do the same thing, as trying to appeal to the audience from the west incited of the home audience.

>>8068125
Netflix bait

>>8068123
and this manga which is aimed at a Japanese audience manages to appeal to vastly more people in the west than the western works aimed a western audience does

>>8068100
>doesn't give a shit about the stuff on the right.
Moebius was amazing. He definitely could draw exceptionally well. I just never cared much about such 80s sci-fi

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>>8068101
>It looks like shit and the story is stupid.

>>8068100
The reason is because int he west, you can't release a comic thats in black and white without people thinking its poorly drawn. Coloring is seen as a requirement which probably triples the time and cost of making a comic. The best comics are drawn and written by the same person and proably colored by someone else. But when you have an assembly line of wagies being contracted to write, draw, and color the comic, you get crap.

Its all up to corporations to actually PUBLISH single serialized stories made by one guy and LET them gain traction and get people used to seeing original stories on the shelves. But they don't want to do that. Comics were literally kneecapped and killed in the west and it was intentional. This isn't some mysterious thing we have to get to the bottom of. Corporations and government worked together to ensure you can't just make a good ass comic and publish it.

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>>8068132
Yeah but have you actually read his comic? Can you tell me what the plot is? Can you name a single character? Have you ever seen anyone who cares about Moebius in the same way that people like mainstream anime? Have you ever seen someone cosplay as a Moebius character at a convention?
I admit it's an influential work... but that's kind of all it is. Outside of that, nobody gives a shit about Moebius.

My metric for how actually culturally relevant something is, is by how many people use it as their discord profile pic. People choose things they like for their profile pics. I've never seen a Moebius profile pic

>>8068135
You know the fags in this thread love dying for Epstein, pls stop hurting them feelings, commie.

>>8068136
>My metric for how actually culturally relevant something is, is by how many people use it as their discord profile pic
The essay guy is on a generational aura loss strike...

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>>8068142
It's a humorous example, but it's basically like saying
>"how often do you actually think about x?"
Can you really say you care about something if you never think about it?
You probably only think of Moebius when looking for examples of "good comics"
But what about when you want to actually read a comic? Or better yet, when you want to spend an evening doing something you enjoy? Or when you want to share something you like with a friend.
Moebius is just simply not meaningful to anyone, and certainly not anyone who's not an artist. As cool as it is.

>>8068145
>You probably only think of Moebius when looking for examples of "good comics"
thats the difference with manga and comics im my opinion. There are plenty of mid manga that are still good and people have read, but in the west theres only viral top tier comics, and hilariously so bad its good comics. Anyone who brings up some great comic from 30 years ago is already wrong on principle.

You guys do things you enjoy?
I can't wait to fulfill whatever I am supposed to fulfill and then die

>>8068164
Sort of. Most of the time I have to draw boring shit for my story but sometimes I draw stuff I like.

>>8067924
>I'm just not seeing the obstacle here. Anyone could have drawn pic related, or any other super successful manga.

So why haven't you? There's your answer.

>>8068211
I don't know, I'm trying.
I draw lines, but they don't look good. I've been doing this for a while now, longer than some manga artists have been drawing. I want to be able to draw this good but I don't know what I'm missing in my approach

>>8068171
Oh, I don't even draw

>>8068217
Fuckin‘ besado!

>>8068214
Post your work, describe your work flow. And i swear to god, if you use a tablet or shit like that, i‘ll be mad.

>>8067930
You know that the main problem is the rotten comic industry.
But also in the west you don't get to choose an alternative lifestyle, you are forced into a tiny 9-5 box, this is because rent prices are insane and thats because of immigrants, open borders.

>>8068237
The fish is rotting from it’s head, mutt.

>>8067933
Actually the NBA and NFL are part of a subset of sports where the demand for height and mass will never go down, contact team sports. These also happen to be really popular youth sports so they have a huge culture and a lot of money flowing through.
Bottom line is that these athletes wouldnt necessarily succeed in other team sports like baseball, soccer, volleyball. The NBA and NFL have the best of the athletic large (6'5+) athletes with a gas tank, soccer has the best of the 5'10-6'3 athletes with insane soccer skills, and gas tank.

When you turn on the television you are getting the best of the best, not some second rate chumps who wouldny cut it in a "better" sport, team sports as a global cultural phenomenon have been evolving for almost a 100 years at this point.

>>8068248
Not that anon, but that what i was talking about.
For the Japanese talent manga is one top fields and for westerners it's an obscure, little niche.
It would be like if you're born in America, 2.15m tall and perfectly athletic but instead of going to NBA, WWE, UFC, NFL, Hollywood... you would go to Mongolia and participate in their national sport that requires being tall.
Not that extreme, bot something like that.

>>8067924
everyone replying to this with endless no-draw cope.

devils candy and dog ningen are on store shelves. you can be published, you just have to actually try. throw this fucking threat away holy shit.

Is there a video tutorial that shows the process of manga making from zero to the finished, digitalized version. I'm talking about trad. I need the whole pipeline in detail, how to make thumbnails, how to draw the manuscript, inking, scanning, applying screen tones and text...
Like the whole thing, of course by a professional Japanese mangaka, not a youtuber.

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>>8067978
You know damn well how to read file names you cunt

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>>8068031
Just use white gel pens. I would recommend standard white out but depending on what your brand you go for results may vary cause I know for a fact my dollar store ones ended up sucking ass cause the white out would peel off easily(no cracking at least so it served well in the moment if I was careful) but gel pens have always worked well for me for small corrections.
Gotta let the liquid pile up though a little bit cause a thin application with either tool can result in just re-activating the ink and getting grey smears resulting in your scanner just picking up a bunch of crap. Granted, CSP has a dust filter tool for that but if you can save yourself the trouble by just being careful I'd go for that

>>8068078
Im sure based on your description this is just a throwaway page, but I recommend in future scenarios where you have a similar scenario in those top two panels there it be better if you just made the "huh" reaction panel just a headshot of the guy turning around and reacting. Just a close up of his head turning to the guy requires less effort and gets the reaction across better, and it avoids using the exact same composition just flipped so it looks less lazy

>>8068341
I've a tipex pen and it's a pile of dung. I don't have a gel pen right now, will see what i can buy, thx.

>>8068345
I use liquidraw gel pens if that helps your search

>>8067865
The worm hair is gross. The ugly nose, the disgusting hips. The lighting. Just… bizarre.

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What i really don't get, is how clean the text is at such early stage. The drawing is just scribbles but the text looks finished.
How big are this nemus?
How can their hand writing look like printed text? My cursive handwriting looks nothing like comic sans. Do i have to learn writing in comic sans?

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>>8068367 >>8068497

Oh what's that, kid? You think... You got the hang of it? He he he he he... Then let's see you draw a... SMALL CLUTTERED PANEL WITH BACKGROUND AHAHAHAHHA.

Man, manga making sure is hard.

>>8068358
Yes anon, you do need to learn to write in the font that you plan to use which will end up being typed digitally anyway. Go waste a couple of years doing that :)

>>8068149
>Anyone who brings up some great comic from 30 years ago is already wrong on principle
Because it defeats your entire worldview, gaylord

>>8068362
You are giving me mixed signals, autist-anon.

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>>8068361
Im not sure how much of that is necessary anon. Like once you reach the stage of an entire guy getting cropped by your speech bubble you gotta just cut that shit off. Hell just make the speech bubble slightly larger and you have a good enough reason to just axe the background entirely and just stick to the foreground elements. Im not sure if you plan on adding screen tones but you could just as easily fill in the background with some gradient for interest.
Like recently with the pages that I uploaded I had a close friend that went "wow dude this is the most effort you ever put in your background" when it was quite literally the least amount of effort I ever put in my backgrounds(minus when I just leave that shit white) cause it was just screentones in a crudely drawn stadium. This is all to say that depending on how hard you went on your backgrounds in the previous panels, you can afford to axe em in these smaller panels.

>>8068125
The autobiographical indie

>>8068125
DECONSTRUCTION

>>8068367
I used to be too lazy towards background in my earlier pages, so I'm trying to put more effort into it. I know I might be pushing a little too far, but I don't know how much is too much until I see it ready. It will take some more practice for me to figure out a good middle ground.

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>>8068371
For backgrounds i would definitely recommend to study western artists. Japanese do the brut force approach, it ugly and unnecessary long. God for keeping your assistant slaves busy, but not if you have to do it yourself.

>>8068364
30 years ago might as well be another planet. Everything is fucked today.

>>8068114
>non-Japanese mangaka
All 3 of them?

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>>8068421 >>8068497 >>8068560

You know if you're lucky enough to finally make it. Some foid you never met will come out and try to kill you?
Are you prepared for that?

>>8068406
I have taken a 6 month RaSD course, rape as self defense

I completely forgot, that i still have the Hiroshi Fukuda - Drawing Dramatic Action Comics to Captivate Readers
Unfortunately he is a digi-fag and i will have to read subtitles. So i will have to adapt it to my trad pipeline. But by skipping through it, he is talking a lot about nemu, for example, should be very usefull.

>>8068136
>My metric for how actually culturally relevant something is, is by how many people use it as their discord profile pic
Tranny cord is irrelevant

>>8068136
>Yeah but have you actually read his comic? Can you tell me what the plot is?
I altready could read Akira when I discovered Moebius so I just chose Akira instead. Akira was heavily inspired by Moebius tho.
Moebius already was kind of outdated for me when I got into comics.

I think if you're going to compare yourself to manga, you should be looking at the stuff serialized on mangaplus or stuff that's highly ranked on jump rookie. that level seems more attainable and earthly.

>>8068031
>after drawing over my lines had craquelure on them, like pic related. The fuck gone wrong?
gouache cracks if you go too thick or you don't use the right consistency

>>8067865
doesn't look gayer and I'm not sure whether I see an actual devolution either.

>>8067875
peaked 2003.
But you cannot really tell from a selection. Art quality changers throughout the panels

>>8068472
People who are gay would think this.

>>8068127
>>8068130
What has happened is the european/american/etc comics that used to appeal to boys stopped getting made. Most of the audience those comics would have captured simply stopped reading comics altogether, and the remainder found comics made by other cultures (japan, korea) as a substitute.
It is accurate to say you won't find western comics like a WSJ manga, because WSJ is aimed at japanese boys, not a western audience of boys and not a global audience of boys (despite whatever retards claim in protest to newer manga they haven't realized they've outgrown yet).

>>8068130
>this manga which is aimed at a Japanese audience manages to appeal to vastly more people in the west than the western works aimed a western audience does
Yeah, NOW. NEW western comics don't appeal. Spiderman was incredibly appealing, even to a japanese audience. You're keen to ignore what I'm actually saying just to hammer in the same tired "comics..... bad" point. The man asked for examples of western comics that are "on par" with manga, and that's what I listed.

>>8068214
So post some work. We are on /ic/ - artwork critique. Let's critique some artwork.

>>8068358
That doesn't look like printed text at all.
The scribbles can be fast but the editor they're showing the name to has to be able to read the text. You just write text so it can be read.

>>8068361
I mean it might be time consuming but it's really not that bad. There's far more annoying things to draw.

>>8068406
I don't think I've spoken to a woman who wasn't family in 12 years. I think I'll be okay.

>>8068497
Its the same size and style as the final text.

>>8068498
Mind posting the final text then? Because I'd be surprised if that was truly the case. The author isn't even the one doing the final text unless they're self-publishing, that's an editor's job.

It's impossible to make manga. It cannot be done. You must give up.

just gonna wait for AI to draw everything, drawing is for suckers and takes too long

>>8068510
INDONESIAAA STROOONNNGGGG JUST WAIT TO GET CEO!!!

>>8068499
It's the modus operandi for manga. This girl does finished text in the final documents before drawing anything.
I always did the opposite. But i think i was wrong. I'll dive deeper into this method tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osfG7bpLyEE

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>>8068016
I hope he adds rape scenes.
I love rape scenes in non-hentai manga.

>>8067930
>I've seen all their tricks but I'm still not getting it. What is the issue?
Learn Japanese so you can actually read the media in its pure form. It's going to modify your mind to be impervious to every single mental obstacle if you can read and understand why their media is objectively the best.
It's subtle, but I can detect from your posts that you still have some level of latent anti-anime psyop programming active in you, as does almost everyone in the west. To actually be on par with Japanese media both in terms of art and storytelling skill all of this stuff has to go.

And to answer your question
>Why hasn't anyone in the west been able to make something on par with manga?
It's because most just can't do what I've outlined above and their engagement with the media is mostly ironic, so they can't see the actual and unmatched technical achievements of the art and storytelling of the best JP media.

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>>8068518
This? This text that is very obviously typed in and not handwritten at all like in the previous image you posted? It's typed text. How does it look like printed text? Because it's typed, same as the printed text was typed. I also type out my dialog before drawing the storyboard. I'll change things as I go.

>see a cool manga online
>60 pages well drawn and dynamic throughout
>the artist says hes 15

is this stuff real? Or is it a tactic people do? I'm trying not to be mindbroken here.

>>8068548
share im curious

>>8068555
#10 on manga plus creators right now, I think I was mixing things up since I was looking at them all and noticed that artist says hes 15, but the manga isn't THAT amazingly drawn now that I'm looking again.

>>8068406
God fucking damn it, Ed why the fuck did you had to do that.
New generations won't give a fuck, you're entering the age of the beast. They can kick, scream, and shout, while clutching their pearls, neo-chuds won't give a fuck. More so if they never even fucked in the first place, ffs. Ed you're retard for falling for that

>>8068125
The "edgelord" and the "capshit" look like shit.

>>8068527
cringe.

>>8068536
>It's because most just can't do what I've outlined above and their engagement with the media is mostly ironic, so they can't see the actual and unmatched technical achievements of the art and storytelling of the best JP media.
But you can, right? Surely you aren't just blowing this little thesis out of your ass?

>>8068125
Anxiety + Depression comic

>>8068584
There isn't anything impossible about learning Japanese and not being ironic about your love for Japanese media. All the ways irony is ingrained in the western mindset is the major thing blocking westerners from making things on par with manga and I sadly don't know the cure besides just choosing to become more based and learning Japanese.

>>8068607
Okay but why haven't you done this?

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>>8068583
based
rape in 一般向け manga is so much hotter than in 成人向け manga despite not showing anything explicit

>>8068607
One can like something sincerely without learning a whole language for it.

>>8068616
How do you know I haven't? Those aren't remarkable skills on their own. JP knowledge is becoming increasingly more common in people really interested in the media.
>>8068624
Yeah, but that's still relatively rare in the west and we're talking about people who want to be creators, so it's even more crucial to fully understand high quality works and not be affected by any irony debuffs if you want to make anything on par.

>>8068627
>but that's still relatively rare in the west
No, it's not. Man you're sounded pretty irony poisoned yourself. Hypocrite.

>>8068628
Ironic engagement with media isn't the same thing as being jaded about certain fans of the media.
Even so, I do believe the west can be more based given the right conditions, but it's still objectively a rare thing to find someone fully unaffected by western irony who doesn't know japanese.

I think you can make something good, if you simply go at it with 100% earnest, no irony, no half-hearted attempt. No being ashamed of the tropes or genre you like, just stone cold 100% unapologetic "this is what I wanna do and I'm doing it". This is a huge part of japanese media when it comes to shows or manga, in the west there's too much hiding behind irony or 'meta' shit as if ashamed of their own love of their work

>>8068637
>but it's still objectively a rare thing to find someone fully unaffected by western irony who doesn't know japanese.
No. No, it really isn't. I can step outside my house and find a whole neighbourhood of such people. What shithole do you live in if you can't say the same?

>>8068621
cringe

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>>8068010
>he fell for it
Enjoy being a slave with even worse treatment that wagecucks.
I'd rather just make porn doujin and sell them in Fanza/DLsite.

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>>8068652
That or just make get online support for your work and such. It's a bit more work to have to publish your own work all over or even make physical copies to sell every now and then but it's definitely better than being cattle.

>>8068559
it's pretty decent for his age but not unheard of, what you SHOULD be scared about is the fact that he was able to sit down and finish a fairly long oneshot by himself without zooming out, that's the real indicator of future success and beats 99% of people here. also, the reality is we're getting powercrept, from what i've seen most of the serious creators in the younger cohorts have much more 'organic' and 'manga-esque' creations then the older generations do. an example is most of the stuff posted here, they all have this vague flanderized impression of anime/manga that is really offputting (not saying this means zoomers write better, no lol). could be a symptom of manga's global domination, these kids basically grew up only reading manga and whatever so through pure osmosis have less gross sensibilities when drawing comics

>>8068527
goblin slayer is retarded. you're supposed to hate the goblins and want to see them die yet also want to see them rape the female characters. talk about cognitive dissonance. bad idea overall.

>>8068674
and here i was just marathoning to see more of the goblins’ awesome anatomy and those crazy action comps.

>>8068669
when I was 15 it was litearlly impossible to make a manga. I'd have to somehow make money to buy paper and pens and learn how to use them and then scan them somewhere all while hiding it from my parents who were in the middle of a divorce. I really only got to start living when I turned 20, everything before that was a long shitty cutscene.

>>8068669
You cannot go one single solitary post without taking some blanket backhand slap at the thread, can you?

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>234 post - 46 files

>>8068687
I've only been drawing for less than a year and this month decided to start a webcomic, but I haven't posted it here because it's not manga style it's more western since I'm still learning :c

>>8068687
I see what you were going for here, but it took me a moment. I think he would look better if he had crab appendages on his head.

>>8068560
Yeah, it’s only 2 years and i could baerly remember what the accusation were. She was 17, nobody on earth was really judging you, some were just pretending. The biggest nothingburger in existence.
Epstein was buddys with the elites worldwide after several convictions.
Some people are too pure for this world.

>>8068016
Does anyone have his one-shots?
The box links he gave expired.

>>8068637
i think some of you guys have developed this quite bizarre idea of japan, japanese cartoons and japanese people built entirely upon your inability to conceptualize that your struggle to draw anime girls is simply because you are lacking in foundational skills (ie; you are not trying hard enough) and rather than addressing that you'd rather built a very extensive cope about there being an immeasurable inherent difference deep down between japan and the rest of the world which explains why you can't get the spacing of the eyes right and that can only be fixed by spending years going off the branches and doing random weeb bullshit to be more "japanese" (of course, always informed by an idea of japan built around the japanese media imported to the west in the first place)
i think the reason a lot of people's first attempt at a manga sucks is not because western brain programming irony low cognitive resolution etc etc but because they've only made 10 pages of middling quality with no real plan behind them while every mangaka has probably already drawn 1000 pages that don't even see the light of day before they get a chance for a one shot

>>8068710
I can draw it though and have looked at a lot of westerners who explain how they think and I like dissecting how/why exactly they fail at it. This problem extends to people who have drawn a lot too, it goes extremely deep. If you can actually draw anime everything I'm saying isn't controversial, it's only controversial here because the west is still lagging behind.

>inherent difference deep down between Japan
It's not about some inherent difference, but the techniques used that do not show up randomly anywhere outside of Japan if the artist isn't consciously trying to make anime art like it's made in Japan. Again if you can draw it this should be clear, even if you can't draw it and just have enough sense/taste for the media this should be clear.

I can't draw and I'm still making an amazing manga.

>>8068717
PAJEETNESIA SUPAPAUA!!!

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Guys, i‘m looking for a proper tutorial on manga paneling.
I have some experience with movie and illustration composition bit i habe a hatd time to understand what size or side ratio to choose and how to combine the size of the panel with the zoom of the shot.

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>>8068730
I haven't really ever seen any tutorials about panelling beyond
>draw the eye through the page
which is pretty basic.
I've come up with some ideas about panelling myself based on what I've seen. These are just my own theories but I hope they're insightful

There's a specific intended size that your work should be looked at. This is up to you to decide. Pic related assumes a size of a typical tankobon, printed, held at half arms length, viewed by a person with average eyesight.
At this scale, your work should be easily readable, and this dictates your panelling, specifically the size of your panels. On the left is a western comic forcefully shrunk to fit the tankobon size, it wasn't designed to be this small, it's hard to read, the panels are too small.
Similar to the panel size is the size of the content within the panels and how its drawn. Focus on the scale in accordance with its readability. Determine how long it should take for some to comprehend what they're looking at and draw to meet that goal.
Routinely look at your page at this distance, and maybe even do things like, try to imagine yourself as a reader, look at it for like half a second, and see what you understood.

>>8068736
You can also just make this easy for yourself and select the industry standard page size and continually learn to draw on that in such a way that it's readable lol.

>>8068727
I didnt even mention ai shut up

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>>8068736
This next technique is much more my own idea and I've absolutely never seen anyone mention anything like it before, so I can't be sure if it's good advice or not, but feel free to judge for yourself

We view nature with our eyes, this is how he envision the world.
This image takes the form of a circle or oval, our field of view.
For ease of drawing, this is easily converted into a square or rectangle without much loss of effect.
By placing multiple of these images in a row we can create a movie strip, or in our case, a comic book.

In the interest of dynamism, some of these panels serve different functions. Some are more zoomed in, some are longer paced, some are shorter paced, etc. So we can pick apart, twist and distort our vision to make more dynamic panelling shapes. In general, bigger panels are more impactful and longer paced than smaller panels(though this is an oversimplification).

One aspect of panelling is that, even though we envision a whole scene as an landscape oval or rectangle (because that's how we envision the world), our focus is actually much more focussed. We pay attention to only the apple on a table, and not the rest of the table.
In panelling what this means is that you can chop off the sides of the "default panel", getting rid of the excess.

Here I have used an example of exactly that kind of panel in Naruto. The panel with the table filled with headbands, we are interested in the headbands and not the full table. Even though to Naruto's eyes, he can see the full table (and even our imagination acknowledges the full table), we do not care to see it, so it's chopped off (it also makes the panelling of the panel faster because it's a smaller panel)

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>>8068730
>2030-4
>still care about paneling
ROFLMAO
this is why manga can't ever be as popular as webtoon
go to any manga website and the most popular works are all webtoon

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>>8068745
And before I get crucified for neglecting another important point to the shapes of panels, I'll address it now

A common use of long vertical panels is to suggest a sort of vertical panning of the camera, which I believe the panel in the bottom left of pic related intends to depict.
However, the panel on the bottom right is also a vertical panel, though it obviously conveys no such vertical movement. What it is instead is a panel more akin to the apple of the table, or the Naruto headbands on the table. The rest of the environment is there, but it is not important for us to see, our vision is focussed soley on the characters. But because the panel is important, to make it more impactful and longer paced, the whole panelling is enlarged to take up (horizontally) 2/3rds of the page. And it neatly fits in to the right of the other panel. An effective use of space through clever panelling.

As a side note, the top panel is also somewhat like this, though it is cropped to be horizontal instead of vertical. We can imagine the rest of the body, but to make it more impactful, the panel is cropped. Otherwise it would take up 2/3rds of the page.

>>8068736
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>>8068747
I'm curious have you actually drawn a single line of your own work

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>>8068747
With this technique, you can construct almost any page imaginable, and have each panel be the right size and serve the right function.

Pic related is a page of 5 panels, it's easy to imagine them all as landscape ovals or rectangles as our eyes envision the world.
The first 4 panels get incrementally smaller, suggesting an increasing pacing, the action is getting more intense, and then ending with the 5th panel which is the largest, indicating that this is the end of the fast paced flurry attacks, and also a more impactful moment in the action.

The crop and zoom of the panels is chosen to highlight what is most important, in the top 2, the character is the focus, in the middle 2, the flurry of attacks is the focus and the character is more zoomed out.

Another common technique on shoe here is that the panels are diagonal in shape, this really just makes the action feel more dynamic, but they are still basically just rectangles.
And I suppose, if you haven't already noticed it by now, another common technique is that the horizontal gutters are wide than the vertical gutters, this just makes it easier to tell that you're supposed to read it row by row instead of column by column. You should always do this, it's good form

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>>8068752
I won't bother spelling out the panelling of this page, by now you should be able to see the theory in action for yourself.
Do you agree with it? Is there any other possible way that this page could have been constructed?

If you disagree with my theory, please do not hesitate to point out its flaws, but as far as I can see, this pretty effectively demystifies panelling and furthermore makes it possible to approach it in a steady and controlled way that doesn't require the artist to figuratively juggle 10 flaming bowling pins

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>>8068754
Man you've been at this for years. Please. I'm begging you here. Please please please!!!!! Post a comic YOU have drawn.

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>>8068757
I'm sorry, art is a fickle community that relies on appeal to authority, even though the vast majority of good artists operate purely on an intuitive approach and do not understand their own work enough to teach others. Putting my name on these rants now would be self-defeating

Once I'm far enough in my own work, I'm planning to make a book or youtube channel or something to present these ideas from a position of authority and hopefully contribute positively to the tutorial scene of the medium. These thread posts partly serve as a way for me to explore and refine my ideas into a more succinct and comprehensive form, as well as to get feedback on them.

But any idea can really stand on its own merits, it doesn't matter who says it. I could be Hirohiko Araki or Barrack Obama for all you know. Judge the idea by itself, are you not intelligent enough to assess ideas themselves presented plainly?

>>8068761
I'm not reading another word until I see some work. There isn't a single reason provided to pay even a shred more attention than I've already provided to somebody who cannot back up their own "teachings" with real practical application. If you will one day put up, great, but until that day, shut up.

>>8068761
*rapes you*

>>8068761
Fuck off nigger you don't even draw here.