>be chud incel artist>have interest in cute cartoony girls and such>draw mostly cute cartoony girls for myself but want some audience>can only attract fags and troons, the most insufferable audience>not attract the audience i do wantIs it inevitable that if you draw cute shit you just get insufferable audiences, or am I doing something wrong?
it's because most incel chuds hate artists and love ai. whatever you get is going to be the minority. there's nothing you can do about it
>>8065388It's a rule of thumb that non-threatening stuff attracts insufferable people because cuteness-as-escapism is more disconnected from reality than edginess-as-escapism. Life is filled with suffering. This is something we can either deny, make excuses for, or come to terms with so that we can ultimately outgrow our hangups over it (and perhaps realize Nirvana/find Gnosis)This is not to say that life is overwhelmingly bad (lest we fall into the left-hand trap of nihilism), but it is objectively "meh" for the average person and that sucks. Edgy and provocative art is a form of therapy and a step in the right direction when it comes to self-actualization. It is shadow work, in a way. We not only admit that life has shitty aspects, but we confront that darkness and either take away power from it or understand that we were never as powerless as we thought to begin with. Only a tree can grow to Heaven unless its roots reach down to Hell, as the saying goes. You can't exit Plato's cave without actually walking outside.Cuteness is a trap that the uninitiated tend to fall for very easily. Because life is filled with pain and suffering, the weak-minded often chase tranquilizers. Not unlike drug-abusers. They run away from shadows only to worship other shadows and label it as "heaven". There is nothing inherently wrong with cuteness, but people often abuse it in the pursuit of refusing to come to terms with pain and suffering. It is Christ who said we should be like little children (humble and sincere). Too many people mistake this to mean that immaturity and arrested development should be allowed.
>>8065406>>8065388Think of Miyazaki. He is a chud, through and through. An alleged lolicon and a weeaboo who cried in a theater upon realizing his waifu would never be real. He has been described by Hideaki Anno as a surly grump (and that's affectionately) to the point that Gendo Ikari was inspired by Miyazaki.And what does he cultivate? Nothing but cuteness because he craves to BE more vulnerable. It's not like Miyazaki doesn't know that life can be a bitch or is excusing/denying it like an American liberal, it's just that he'd rather live in a softer and more gentler version of the ordinary world if given the choice...but not everyone who wants to live like that is willing to admit that life sucks to begin with.Junji Ito and Hirohiko Araki are two different responses to this. Ito can see that life is filled with suffering and he laughs! Not out of cruel mockery or to punch down, but because he finds the humor and joy in it. His works often draw a thin line between horror and comedy for that reason. He has come to terms with the darkness and so he smiles, not allowing the harshness of life to take away his joy.Araki on the other hand does not settle for projecting an idyllic illusion to play pretend in or an exaggerated simulacra meant for processing. He goes a step further and declares a fight with Suffering (Satan/the Demiurge)...and he wins. The suffering is not eternally banished and the world is not purified of it...but the Dharma can be restored anew.
>>8065419>>8065406If you truly wish to find a like-minded audience, you must actually produce what YOU want to see and what you KNOW will draw other people like you.K-On has an infamous reputation for drawing Nazis into the fandom for the same reason a lot of moe manga/anime does. There are cute anime girls...but the narrative is wish fulfillment for chuds. "Look at all these girls being friends and doing fun things! They'd be YOUR friend and maybe even your girlfriend too! They'd fully accept you." Men are rarely the focal point of these stories, but the audience exists as the invisible camera man. If he was a literal character, he'd be a harem protagonist. If he was a female character as a male stand-in, he'd be something like Homura or Taylor Hebert (a male author scared of men, but not COMPLETELY rejecting them).Without that narrative, you're left with fluffy Yuri that only really appeals to women and gay men who are genuinely scared of men as a whole.
>>8065406>>8065419>>8065422i’m just a lurker, but your thoughts are wonderful analytically, philosophically, and also in a personal way, for me. i appreciate your sharing them, because i think about this exact sort of thing too, sometimes.
>>8065422Good essay anon. You've made something in the 0.5% of 4chan posts that keeps me coming back. You bastard.
>>8065388>Is it inevitable that if you draw cute shit you just get insufferable audiences, or am I doing something wrong?No, you'll attract an insufferable audience no matter what you draw.
>>8065388Honestly drawing mostly female characters is gonna get you troon followers eventually. I've gotten comments and quote retweets going "I WANT TO BE HER" in response to my wholly cute art, sexy pinups, or literal joke artworks that happen to feature females. And if you ever get really popular, unless you go full mask off chud (never do this) you'll always have some undesirable followers. It is what it is.If you draw fanart it heavily depends on the media. Sadly most media will have many troon fanatics. K-ON like the other anon said is an exception, it's a popular cgdct anime without a huge fag troon audience. Not completely troon devoid however, there are tons of troons from all around the political spectrum, because FETISHES ARE APOLITICAL (though they tend to skew in one direction)If I HAD to give advice (other than not caring because trying to control this stuff is a losing game imo), unironically draw harry potter fanart and post it randomly. draw your cute charas in ravenclaw robes or some shit. Or literally anything that normal people don't bat an eye at but will make troons unfollow you. I drew Harry Potter once and lost a handful of trans followers but gained back 10x the amount in normal followers. Iirc I've done similar stuff that has unintentionally "cleansed" my followers before, the key is that it has to appear as apolitical/just an edgy joke to normal people but will still aggravate troons
>>8065419I am sure you met them many times in your dreams and thats you how you came to these conclusions
no matter what you do you'll attract an extreme because everyone now is mentally ill, constantly baiting or straight up retarded playing culture wars in their headsBest advice no matter what anyone says; Stop posting your art on the internet. It's over and there is no real audience anymore, only bots and culture war faggots.
>>8065419>excusing/denying it like an American liberal,What is the american right doing rn?
>>8065517probably napping bro it's like 1 am
>>8065388you're an egg :3
>>8065388The internet is mostly made of fags and troons nowadays, and they're most annoying because they all act like a braindead hivemind. Probably you should start acting like a chud incel so you scare them off and block them, trying to find the audience you want.Also based Arinochad
>>8065388>don't wanna draw lewds until I'm no longer a kissless virgin (which is possibly never)>don't mind blood and gore but it's not really my thing>end up just drawing cutesy SFW stuff
>>8065459I agree with this anon. This little essay here->>8065422>>8065419>>8065406...Is great! Do you have a blog or anywhere I can follow you for more media analysis or art? I pretty much agree on all your philosophical points and liked your analytical essay. How or why did you come to /ic/?
>>8065553>Probably you should start acting like a chud incel >so you scare them offnice suicide adviceYou give them that they will feel justified in behaving like the sociopaths they are
>>8065563Would you really want to be surrounded by said sociopaths who will monitor anything you say or do until you slip even a little, and they start their usual dogpiling? I personally wouldn't
>>8065388you just need to make it in a way that filters people. be more pedophilic
>>8065567thats everyone nowanon, you have people that follow and stalk people they hate just to dogpile on themif you behave like "an enemy", you just give them green light to sink their teeth in like they have been waiting for
>>8065563If you want a recent high profile example the guy who started Malfoid shut down all the yuri and trans beggars in this thread at the height of the trendhttps://x.com/redteneri/status/2105129669284540475
>>8065575So your response is to just let this kind of people stop anyone who isn't like that from existing? Are you legitimately retarded?
>>8065580Nigger thats just the internet. With like 10% of the disrespect anons here gleefully dish out day and day out you would be justified to literally fucking kill somebody (you know, accidentally) in the us, i am in the eu and as long as they are fit to work in about a month you will get away with it.Reminde that everybody here is chinks, white trash, niggers and pajeets, well adjusted people do tiktok
>>8065591Not him but this sounds like the response of someone who is legitimately retarded
>>8065580>so that means you suck wet cumglazed bread because you dont like to sniff maggot infested feces?this type of reasons is more than enough proof to not get involved with anyone of the internet nowdayseither stop posting or get your bag and be completely silent
this entire thread is just a roleplay session
every nigga is constantly trying to troll and farm epic gotchas and gottems or make some wack meme compilation from twitter screenshots for they discord friends like shits funny when its the most mid asse nine shit anyone ever seenreal niggas are tired
>>8065626noone real and hard and drawpilled would say this.draw. NOW.
>>8065599Break it down for me
>>8065653Ah yes the hard drawpilled drug dealer that watches nichijou and graduated with a bachelor in the humanities
>>8065562I don't really have a blog, I mostly stick to 4chan. I came to /ic/ around three years ago when I was getting back into drawing after a five year hiatus. I never really took it seriously until a few years ago, so I figured 4chan must have better resources than other sites. After teaching myself how to draw by going through a bunch of resources (videos, books), I like to drop in and give practical advice to autistic /begs/ so they don't start out like me and stagnate longer.
>>8065517Is right-wingers know shit sucks and want to fix it. You try to fix what we make by browning and trooning it up. You are the destroyers. We are the builders.
>>8065603Pick a side retard. Because both is not the problem.
>>8065957*us
>>8065957> right-wingers know shit sucks and want to fix it.Ok then logically speaking, why vote for a guy who promised tarrifs, was known for dogshit scam like crypto dump, and was so antagonistic toward iran he pulled out of a major deal with them at the behest of israel? Hell the dude you elected before that was fucking bush.>Troon and brownHow was your life under king nigger and his troon wife compared to aryan savior trump?
>Is it inevitable that if you draw cute shit you just get insufferable audiences, or am I doing something wrong?Average OP content
>>8065406This is why I jerk off to guro
>>8065571He asked for advice to repel fags and troons, not attract them even harder
I hate trannies but if they were my fans I'd still be happyI'd love someone to be a fan of me. Anyone really.
I am an unknown and i have many fans.
>>8066288I feel the same. I'm judgemental of a ton of things but it runs like a background process in my brain. I'm just not sensitive enough towards the internet to care. I make the slop I wanna make and put it out there, anything after that is out of my hands.
>>8065508>draw harry potter fanart and post it randomlynow that sounds like a good advice
its insane how hard they're pushing the hairy botter stuff
>>8065419>Miyazaki>And what does he cultivate? Nothing but cutenessWhat a way to instantly self sabotage your babble.
>>8065388People are retarded everywhere? Which community isn't infiltrated by communists nowadays? Everywhere on the internet you have them. Unless you live in Japan there is no way to find a community of likeminded people anymore. The west has been totally ruined by America.
>>8065388You just need to draw some stuff that filters the worst people without aggravating them too much, it can still be cute. Doesnt have to be offensive, (because that runs the risk of obsessed people trying to fuck you over). Harry potter is a good one as mentioned by others. Maybe some chuddy vtubers with cute models, like pippa. Depending on your preferences some goorey or pervy stuff can filter out the "family friendly" crowd who seems to be especially mentally ill. Though dont overdo it with the chuddy stuff, some of that crowd can be just as mentally ill if their imaginary hecking based artist turns out to fairly moderate and not hitler 2.0. They should like you for your art not your opinions.
>>8065388do what i do on deviantart and sprinkle in a few chud memes with your mundane art. it gets engagement and signals the wokes to leave. just don't fall into the trap of only making edgy shit, you need a bit of both.
>>8066356thank you!! that guy has his head so far up his ass he's getting high off of the methane clouds in it. He had a small point which we can agree with, too much of anything is bad for you which is why temperance is a virtue but being into edgy shit doesn't make you a fucking saint. Dude does not live life and experience people, if he did he'd realize how socially maladjusted the edgy fuck is and how grating it is to interact these kind of people. You can still like edgy shit, we all do look at the site we're on but to claim Miyazaki is nothing but cuteness when half of his movies has some form of WW2 symbolism in it is stupid. That's why he's so beloved he fits in this shitty machine we've made perfectly
>>8069644Miyazaki is beloved because he panders to retarded manchildren and communists/americans.His movies are cringe overly sentimental slop.
>>8065517>american rightYou mean christian niggers and spics tech billionaires and buffoons working for Israel? lmao
>>8065388draw some harry potter now that it's trendy to drive away troons, but you'll probably attract foids in exchange.
can you not just create what you want and post what you want and if it offends anyone they naturally get filtered out?
>>8069798You're only saying that because you're young and jaded. Porcco Rosso is kino af and howl's moving castle is absolutely beautiful and shows the ugly side of love. Not everything has to be raw and edgy. Also you're doing art, this is kind of manchild central so sit with that for a while and maybe consider another career?
>>8069958>Not everything has to be raw and edgyRealism is now called edgy?Only producing overly sentimal slop is just brainwash for children. Reality is not like this at all.
