>go to gesture site>weird, stiff, unnatural poses that are boring why? why is it so tough to find one where they just load up images of athletes, dancers, random people in a natural state, or something fun? i know pinterest exists but the image quality is low and you either have to scrape boards or save stuff individually
because fragments of life are not filled with athletes and dancers. i do not pirouette when i grab something off a shelf.
>>8063904well yeah but athletes and dancers are doing more natural stuff than this and it's way more enjoyable to look at and draw. i don't know how useful this is for conveying movement but all gesture sites really have is this
>>8063906Seriously, in what world would I need to add this shit to my "visual library" when no sane person would ever pose like this
>>8063909you get it but people do actually run, dance, and leap, especially in the world of art. i hope someone can drop a link to what i'm hoping for because right now it's grim and irritating
>>8063902start following sports photographers for athletism, and ice skating and stuff
What happened to this site man? Everyone here is so fucking stupid it isn't even worth explaining. You ask the dumbest questions even a child could understand. I can't figure out if its bots, indians or just lonely neets.
>>8063974well yeah but i'd still have to dl the pics and use an app. i just want something easy online
>>8063981>just draw this psychotic pose and learn it inside and out so you can draw it one time and never use it again
>>8063984>dont wanna use an app, so I will use an app but say its not an appwhat app dude, just use your web browser
>>8064015i like being timed
>open a 3D program>load a model>fight the controls to pose it how you want>get the camera to where you want at least 30 minutes of stress but you get something original in the end>searching for the reference that fits your sketch>going through hundreds of close matches but the angle is off or the post is slightly differentat least 30 minutes of stress and theres no guarantee you find anything good, but you could also instantly find itwhich is better?
>>8063902Look up oh-hi.info
The point, if I recall, is for you to easily identify the shapes and "rhythms" (how they connect to each other) of the figure. Also a good way to gauge how well your sight proportions are. Of course, you'll probably never use the unusual poses but you can always modify them when you reach that level.
>>8063981literally came here to say this, I stopped even responding beyond calling people dumb niggers
>>8063981thirdies and trolls mostly. we're in a proto wall-e society where people cant do stuff on their own anymore. i'm not innocent in this manner, but i don't complain at least. four chins is dying
Its literally a skill issue if you cannot pull gesture out of any pose. I'm not trying to shit on you I'm just stating the entire point of the exercise. Poses that have a natural strong sense of flow and gesture are like baby super easy mode. Pulling gesture out of more static or unconventional poses is more difficult as it requires a much more refined sense of form, weight, flow, etc
>>8064163draw these gestures >>8063911>>8063906>>8063902
>>8063974got any recommendations? i don't know where to conveniently find them
>>8064162i have no issue with someone asking a question that merits being asked, even something as simple as "tips for gesture?" despite it being google-able. where I draw the line are threads like this, where the question is:>WAT POINT IN DRAW DIS POSE? I NEVER USE, NO POINT
>>8064313gesture is a meme
>download pose set>look at every picture where she shows her butthole>fap>lose interest in drawing>delete set because its ruined
>>8063902Yep. Plus no one wants to draw these basic flabby bitches. Either have shredded individuals so you can learn from the anatomy or obese blobs so you can learn there too. The inbetween is boring as fuck and they should be peeping around corners, the perspectives should be stretched, there should be a composition etc. Honestly one of the worst ways to learn.
OP is right.I have 85GB+ of downloaded reference photo sets and 99% of it is unusable crap.Even poses that try to be dynamic are always stiff as fuck because... The model IS stiff as fuck trying to hold an uncomfortable pose for several photos without losing balance and moving.Add to it>absolute horrid lighting from 3 directions that hides all forms in 80% of all sets (pic unrelated though)>lens distortions>they always take pictures from unnatural low angle
>>8064455beyond not using the pose it just doesn't teach you anything but how to draw a figure contorting themselves weirdly. it's better to see images where natural movement is occurring, because most want to draw characters interacting and existing within the world vs models doing meaningless shit like this >>8065848
this is why I use porn. especially vintage stuff. They really knew how to get great shot composition, framing and lighting back then. And it was purely analogue. No digital work at all. You had to really know your shit.
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>>8065994even modern OF whores show a talent for really dynamic pose work
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>>8065996please stop posting your used up whores here man they make me depressed. no light in her eyes, no love for the body her parents gave her. fuck off
>>8066033shut up and draw
>>8066003Tfw no gfDay ruined.
>>8065987i started drawing it, then i saw how small her left arm is. lens distortion?
>>8066055changing focal length of the lens of the camera alters the depth of field
>>8066063another example here.
I don't get itWhy not draw the weird pose, then draw the weird pose from a different angle, then again and again and again and train a part of your brain that you don't train??
>>8066063>>8066065Why doesn't this work for Haley Joel Osment?
So, what are some good resources for photos of people dancing or doing sports? Or any dynamic movement captured in the moment that isn't unnatural stiff and boring bullshit?
>op gets shown he's wrong>ignores it in favor of the permabeg echo chamber kek
>>8066259Point out the exact posts which prove OP wrong
1-2 minute gestures.Using many of these feels more like visual library poisoning. I'd rather draw people dance. But nobody figured they should make photo sets of models dancing instead of twisting themselves in unnatural unappealing ways. Maybe some fetish porn sites have something similar? lol
>>8066277google bodies in motion, you whiny cow
>>8063902Maybe that's your job as an artist, anon-kunImagining flowing motion in an otherwise stiff pose ^_- ~
>>8063902>Not creating your own reference material with 3d models, mannequins, mirrors, possibly even friendsNgmi, they only made people hold poses for reference back in the day because they had no other choice.The only reason to have gigs of reference photos is to never draw and instead always be finding a different pose you like better, literally just delete all that shit, it's a distraction.
>>8066298I only draw things spontaneously, if I have to spend hours constructing a reference then the soul is lost and the pose won't work.
>>8065848Same desu. I've been deleting a ton of the sets I had saved on my NAS because they're honestly shit. I'm only keeping stuff that's useful for anatomy, has decent lighting, and maybe a couple that really make my dick hard. I'm probably better off just pausing videos of people doing real actions and drawing that instead.
>>8066308if you could draw, you wouldn't have made this retarded thread
>>8066286>22 euro a year doesn't even unlock photo sets (??)>full plan is x2 more expensive than CSP subscriptionWhat is this fuckass site?By the way, what happend to set sharing threads here on /ic/? Do they get deleted by jannies or something? Haven't seen one in a while.
>>8066373Turd worlder detected. Some of it is free, you should try drawing those instead of begging here.
>>8066277Yeah, it ain't the refs.
>>8066782pyg
>>8066783You already had one guy reply to you and you ignored him like a bitch. Compare this >>8066277 to this >>8064462 and try to learn something about what you're doing.
>>8066796I said "post your gestures" not "seethe like a monkey".>he doesn't understand a difference between 1 minute gesture and untimed drawingOh no no no he doesn't even draw hahahaha
>>8066801You're a beglet, anon. Again, look at the GESTURE captured by you and him and how each pose was used. Last reply, you're a retard.
>>8066801if spending less time on the gesture makes it stiff and shitty, what was the point of spending less time on it?the reality is that no amount of time would have made you feel and push those poses
making gesture a precursor to a drawing has done irreparable damage to /beg/s
>>8066802>>8066806>no file attachedAnd now to mog nodraws even more. Btw in a typical class you'd draw a lot of very quick gestures then gradually increase timer to go up to full figure drawing. Take notes nodraw frieds. You are going to need one day when you finally start drawing.
>>8066822nigga you literally got told what to do and how to do it on the exact poses you demanded, how are you this stupid?
>>8066832pyg
>>8066822>Btw in a typical class you'd draw a lot of very quick gestures then gradually increase timer to go up to full figure drawingI went to art school and had a minimum of 3 life drawing days per week, not once did we do anything under 5 minutes. You clearly have no idea what you're doing and need to analyze the task for longer with more effort and focus, not haphazardly try to scribble the figure down.
>>8066842pyg
>>8066843You literally had someone infinitely better than you indulge you and demonstrate on the references you asked for, not only are you an ungrateful faggot, you ignored it out of butthurt instead of applying what you've been shown.What possible incentive do you imagine I have to waste my time on you?
>>8066850I am not OP, you nodraw retard I just drew pictures that were posted here. >someone I am talking to you, nodraw retard, post YOUR drawings so I know whether to take YOUR words seriously.pyg now
holy /beg/ seethe
>>8066852You are OP, you are beg and you are ignoring the posted work and advice and failing at the basic premise of a gesture drawing.>I wantWho cares lol?
>>8066854>You are OPNow this is just reaching melty status. My first post in this thread is >>8066206 and then >>8066277This is the last time I reply anything beyound pyg until you post your drawing. Nowpyg
>>8066855Seethe, OP.
>>8066859pyg
>>8066852>>8066855What does it matter if you're OP or not you dumb nigger, you are still ignoring advice from someone clearly better than you who did post his gestures to demonstrate the advice, so why would anyone engage your demands for gesture when they're telling up to listen to the guy who showed you his gesture?Do you think everyone's blind to it being a blatant pathetic attempt at dismissal that evidently follows regardless of posting gesture or not?Do you even want to learn?
>>8066861pyg
op malding begishly
>>8066862See>>8064163>>8064462
>>8066864pYg
>>8066866I am him. Now do what he said, dunning kruger.
>>8066869pyg coward
>>8066822You are a fucking idiot~5 min work total
>>8066872Learn2draw
>>8066874Okay props to you for actually posting your drawings. But jfc the sheer DUNNING KRUGGER. I was absolutely right to disregard everything you said. Thanks for proving me right, now go draw 100 gestures more.
>>8066880I am not even that anon you retard, my drawings are miles ahead of yours btw, post a finished work, i will be shocked if you are anything but the lowest of trash.
>>8066090Why not draw scat fetish just to train that part of the brain that you don't train?
>>8066874More detailed, more accurate, but also more stiff You're both /beg/
>>8066881You lack the eye and experience to tell why your figures are beneath mine. Draw more gestures. You just chicken scratched contours and added some detail, these are not gesture drawings. Why would you draw her underwear in a gesture drawing? You are one of those people who get fooled by rendering into thinking a work is better than it is.All I'll give you is rough quick figgie drawn over my gesture for your efforts.
>>8066887I just did what the reference was doing, i may be a permabeg but that guy is prebeg, he cant even see right
>>8066889Nigger your figure is trash, and if you dont see from my strokes that i drew inside out then thats you being inexperienced, not me, nothing wrong with chicken scratching either
>>8066890>>8066891You get more respect than everybody else in this thread for posting work, but anon... Your dunning krugger is at it's peak. Just go draw more gestures and figures and come back later. Don't waste your time.
>>8063902>weird, stiff, unnatural posesyour role as the artist is to exaggerate and emphasize the flow and gesture
>>8066896pyg
>>8066904Not me btw.I'm going to the gym now, good luck to all nodraws ITT you are going to need it when you pick up a pencil.
>>8066910>pencil>posts a digital drawing
>>8066896meme.these are just dumb poses that the non-artist models do because it's their conception of "artistic." emphasis is one thing, nonsensical poses are another.
>>8067008dumb nigger
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Beach+handball+Euro+2021&title=Special%3AMediaSearch&type=imageThere are hundreds of thousands of images like that. You just gotta know where to look. Try wikimedia commons or flickr.
>>8067082Nice, a good post in this dogshit thread
>>8067356kek right like finally>>8067082thank you
>>8063902unironically the gesture sites are complete ass. posemaniac is 3d models and feels much more useful. You can find a ton of signature poses that are actually useful and rotate them. Especially the sexy poses and idol poses for me. yes gesture isnt neccessarily about specific poses, but you might aswell get familiar with getting poses right in flow and proportion that you might actually end up using.
>>8069307holy fuck you can't be seriousdo you retarded fucking niggers even comprehend what you're supposed to be looking for in a reference?no fucking wonder everyone here is a permabeg
>>8069316this shit is more than enough for gestures. I am not asking you to draw every fucking muscle. And much better than image 200 of a landwhale doing a stiff unnatural pose wich is 99% of gesture sites.
>>8069320never give advice again, retard
incredible low IQ thread this is like asking why timmy would buy 30 watermelons in maths class
>>8069326incredible argument anon. Please tell me the benefits of gesture studies of a fat woman planking rather than using interesting poses even if its a 3d model. If you are going to grind gestures to capture the essentials of various poses it should be poses you would like to use. The vast majority of stock image gesture study ressources arent poses anyone would use in an artwork and studying them is wasted effort.
>>8069670the benefit is that you don't up drawing like youpyw
>>8069480many layers of racism in this post
>>8069680post your shit first if you are so confident, then I will post mine. You still havent actually given an argument other than insults. I dont even know what your point is even supposed to be.That you cannot use 3d models like in posemaniac? Sure this shit has some issues if you want to use it as a standalone reference. But a gesture isnt even supposed to be a detailed drawing so I dont see the issue.Or is your problem that its not timed and spoonfed to you? If you have legitimate critique I would like to hear it. I am here for drawing advice not shit flinging.
>>8069692kek ain't reading all that copepyw
>>8069695ok you are just a retard shitposting as expected.
>no workI accept your dunning kruger begtard concession
>>8066822taiwanese inspired gesture
>>8064079Looks like the site is ddead
>>8063902You've stumbled on something animators have known for a long time. A still pose can never capture the true form of a body in motion. There's physics, kinetics, gravity involved.Most of these photo sets are trying to compensate and "fake" dynamism with elaborate poses. But if you use them as the basis of your drawing, that fake staged feeling will come through. They're not fighting gravity the way a dancer or a runner is.If you want good poses with real action, take still frames from video.
>>8063904>i do not pirouette when i grab something off a shelf.Why the hell not?
>>8071559I go barefoot and that shit fucks with my soles for hours
