>>8061195
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>8061196
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to [email protected], however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>8061198
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

I hate webtoons, but i wanted to draw something for the little zoomies.
Any tips on how to make the normal manga layout be readable on samertphones?
Bigger text, bigger panels, that's it?

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>>8061214 >>8061222 >>8061234 >>8061273 >>8061314 >>8061426

You know that when it's all done and your manga is finished no one will praise you for it right?

>>8061212
You just never stop drawing and let the millis pour in till you die with 45 and than your assistants can keep milking the cow.

>>8061212
I will praise myself for it

>>8061212
Life is shit and then you die. I already realized that. The optimum is to never be born.

>>8061234
>The optimum is to never be born.
What's the second best option?

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>>8062447

Wasn't satisfied with how this page >>8060538 turned out, so I added a few more things.

>>8061235
Dying early. Third is being lucky in life but that's unlikely.

>>8061212
shutup bitch someone will

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>>8061410 >>8062004 >>8062916

some wack shit.

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>>8061296 >>8061474 >>8065255

Reminder, you don't need good art skills to make a manga that sells well and gets an amazing anime adaptation.
Don't get too hung-up in drawing pretty pictures you only can produce 19 pages a month.
Focus 80% of your effort into creative decisions such as story and character writing, then networking for opportunity.
Recruit, train, and delegate the rest of 20% of technical stuff to your employees.
A classic start-up business 101.
Applicable in any field.
Don't be like Otoyomegatari, Vagabond, and Berserk, or Witch Hat Atelier/GALAXIAS/Gokurakugai.
One keeps getting into hiatuses.
One doesn't give a fuck anymore.
One bites the dust.
The others have inconsistent release schedules with even lower than weekly serialization worth of pages per chapter.
Your main focus as a mangaka is to deliver entertainment value as quickly and as consistently as possible.

>>8061286
Such simple goofy styles also really only fit to comedy. Not everyone likes writing comedy...
You can't just chose what style you draw. It depends on the energy you have.

>>8061212
People DM me and tell me they liked my manga... and people still buy it in shops. Someone actually asked if they could draw my character as a cameo/easter egg in their manga. Don't be so negative! We should be here to help each other!

>>8061314
You obviously draw boring mainstream shit like the phony faggot you are. If you are actually honest with your art then noone cares about it.

>>8061347
Being a hateful crab is the reason you're as miserable as you are.

>>8061347
Not at all. I drew a silly niche series for years that ended in aug. I have barely any reads/followers, but the ones who get into it really get into it.

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>>8061635

Finally got past my 100+ page mark for my comic. Now I gotta make the inevitable social accounts for sellin my wares cause just postin on this board wont get you anywhere

>>8061353
If you wouldnt draw mainstream shit you couldn't even publish it. You are just another hypocrite faggot

>>8061366
What do you want to draw that the mainstream wouldn't accept? Be honest, don't be phony

Any advice on how to fully commit to writing shonen? I’m planning to dabble in a few different genres to figure out where my strengths really lie but if I have to pick the one I personally resonate with the most, I want it to be shonen.

>>8061400
Shonen isnt a genre its a demographic. If you have interests/likes that young boys/teens like then thats how you commit. If you hate it move on to something else

>>8061376
I'm not here to spoonfeed you. You are probably jewdified american faggot so you are used to getting nigger semen spoonfed.

>>8061276
>some wack shit.
It sure is kek, you should keep drawing it.

>>8061405
Look upon this miserable crab, too spineless to even say what he wants to draw, yet wants to call others hypocrites for not being honest with what they draw. Too hatefully angry to find joy, too stupid to change, doomed to wallowing in loneliness and self pity.

>>8061212
I posted mine on ic and some other boards and they all praised me, I had heard that people on /a/ where especially harsh toward anon made comics but they seemed to like mine for what it was

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>>8061434 >>8061761

>Reminder, you don't need good art skills to make a manga that sells well and gets an amazing anime adaptation.
>posts a childrens gag manga

Im studying key frames from anime and holy fuck are those guys efficient.
They have this color code for shadows and highlights in their pencil sketches.
Hey don’t do unnecessary hatching at all.
Super stream lined.
Key and action poses are superb to most mangaka as well. We often hear, the comparison between western illustrative style and japanese anime style of comics. But the mangaka draw LIKE animators, animators ARE animators.
With the color-coded pencilings they could properly split the work between key framers and assistants.
Studying key frames is probably the best way to learn manga besides watching film students movies and reading the classics.

>>8061347
that's a cope it doesn't matter how "real" your art is if nobody looks at it

>>8061429
>>posts a childrens gag manga
Jestermaxxing was the solution for success all along?

>>8061434
It's not the solution for success if you don't want to make gag manga for children.

>>8061435
And why not?

>>8061437
If there's no enjoyment, you'll burn out quickly and your manga is doomed to fail.

Jojo is gag manga as well and it's not drawn with scribbles

>>8061438
Isn't the same true for like every genre?

why do people here always try to find examples of how you don't need good art instead of trying to improve

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>>8061455 >>8061458

>>8061440
Jojo is a mystery/thriller battle shonen. Araki said himself in his book about manga theory that you need to draw food well if you want to invoke hunger in the reader. He made a similar comparison with invoking pain in the reader by drawing wounds and injuries well.
>>8061441
A genre you actually enjoy will take you much farther.

>>8061446
>1776130910378643.png
>180 rule broken
Every, single, fucking, time.

>>8061446
There is another theory, called masking, that says the complete opposite. If the character is drawn very simple, it's easier to associate with this character.

>>8061314
I'm not crabbing. I just want anons to be ready for the worst.

>>8061286
>Reminder, you don't need good art skills to make a manga that sells well and gets an amazing anime adaptation.
SO.
FUCKING.
MAKE.
ONE!!!!!

bait thread

Interesting how the most vitriolic posters here never upload any of their own material

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I decide I want to draw this using monochrome colors. Like an old-school newspaper comic strip or manga.

>>8061426
I post mine at /ic/ and /co/. I'm considering the horse board and altchans.

I love manga so much

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>>8061357
Following this up, what do any of you guys(who actually draw comics mind you) post on your socials? I've abandoned social media a long time ago and just created some new accounts for the sake of establishing a presence online. Just treating like an art blog works right? With the occasional shilling?

>>8061562
oh god yeah. me too.

>>8061429
I haven't read king's ranking, but it's published in beam comics magazine, and they're more of a seinin mag.

What's more gay, drawing porn or sucking cock?

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my manga is about establishing shots

>>8061857
dick sucking takes 10mins, drawing pages to men other men blow their load takes 10 hours. Drawing porn is always the gayest. Afterall your body of work exist to make hordes of men cum making no different than a sexworker.

>>8061932
Fuck you it is, sex work is a one and done. My favorite hentai last forever.

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>>8062018 >>8062271 >>8064501 >>8065313

>>8061276

Anyone need a hentai plot idea? I got something brewing that I certainly won't use myself, so feel free to steal it. Might have been done already, but whatever. It would be a manga called "The Iwasaki Technique". It's a story that follows the 20 something y.o Choji Iwasaki, who's a total pervert. He's ugly, has bad social skills and it's a genuinely unlikable person all around. So of course he doesn't get laid. As a way to deal with his frustrated sexual life, he ends up mastering a technique that allows him to have lucid dreams almost every night. You can guess what he does in those dreams. Sex with the cashier across the street. Sex with his coworker. Sex with whatever woman he finds walking down the street and etc. But here's the conflict: he can control his own actions in these dreams, but he can't control the dream or the reaction of the people in it. So he will often have nightmares while lucid dreaming, and sometimes the people in his dreams may react to his perversions in ways that makes him question his own actions and sometimes leaves him truly scarred. Or you could just make another power fantasy hentai. That's pretty good too.

Sorry for being another ideas guy. I had the idea at work and I just really felt like sharing it. Just ignore if you want.

>>8062004
What the cat doing?

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>>8062279 >>8062320

>>8061195
Weekly Young Jump's new manga award.
>https://youngjump.jp/48mangasho.shueisha/
Your work will be judged by 48 WYJ's authors including hack like Akasaka Aka.
Overseas entries are welcome as long as they're produced in Japanese.
Deadline: end of February 2027.
Grand price guaranteed.

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>>8062658

>>8062004
Real quick just wanted to say thanks for the (indirect) help with screen tones anon. I remember from threads a way back someone askin how you achieve tones and you just drew it in shades of blue and that came in clutch. Like pic related aint exactly sophisticated but I was actin like an idiot on how to actually apply screen tone before I remembered those posts.
Very much appreciated, lookin forward on the next update

>>8062187
Cool, i could win that.

Isn't going from A3 manuscript, to A5 print, like a little bit overkill?

Guys i did little studys of digital manga (Chainsaw) with pencil and ink. I haven't try to emulate the digital linework, just the loose style. And feels right for me. Digital never gives me this feeling. Before i thought, that's because i prefer trad manga. Trying to make digital look like trad is stupid. But now i tried the other way around and trad still makes more sense for me.
On the other hand, i understand how stupid it would be to draw something like Chansaw Man in trad. You see used a high stabilisation setting and probably drew most panels even without a sketch. It's pretty much fast food art, and doing it digital makes much more sense. But for some reason it never felt right for me.
Maybe if i had a super expensive cintique it would feel better. But i kinda doubt it.

>>8061857
Being Amerimutt is the most gay. In fact even worse than gay because you are gay with jews and shitskins

>>8062187
Why bother if I'm already a better mangaka than the judges?

There is this whole new ground of colored manga, that is only slightly covered by French facsimile manga a Korean slop.
You think with online platforms gaining more influence we will see the switch?

>>8062340
its definitely possible, but you'd have to get someone else to color it. I think a fully colord manga at a rgular pace is too much for one human.

>>8062342
There are barely any popular mangaka without assistance. Nihei maybe?
But yeah, you would need a bigger team for sure.
Maybe manga and anime production teams could work together. Like the manga team draws everything and a team at an anime studio colors it.They could color the manga with a potential anime adaptation already in mind.

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>>8062435 >>8062439 >>8062566

These threads are insufferable now. So much fucking crabbing.

>whining about paper
>uhhm actually shonen is a demo not a genre
>I'm not gonna spoon feed you
>nigger nigger spic brown indian jew cunt
>bump limit threads with 5 pieces of OC

If you aren't here to help, or learn. what the fuck are you here for? Ether post your manga, help someone or buy a fucking rope.

>>8062433
but shonen is a demographic, the word means young boy

>>8062433
I'm drawing for a contest, not sure if my clear name will displayed or not, so...

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>>8062487 >>8062565 >>8062594

>>8061250
my biggest issue with your last few posts is that there is no stars in the bg. It would really help if the backgrounds had depth

>>8061400
I'm assuming you're talking about a fight/battle manga when you mean shounen.

I recommend trying to build a couple simple ideas and seeing if one demands more attention. Learn to do pre-production and develop ideas quickly. A common action series formula is finding an occupation for the character/their allies and dealing with conflict from others who are interacting with that occupation. Create concepts that don't require a huge time commitment. I'm currently downscaling my bloated series. write text efficiently too. Lines should be snappy and memorable, not clunky endless sentences. that's another problem I need to fix for myself

Spending time on fights means you need to make them support your story. Characters need to be clashing for a personal reason, and the stakes should be important to the reader. One piece is currently being torn by fans because fights mean nothing to the story and bog down the pace. Hone in on the themes you want to cover and write villains and heros that battle over their mindsets. create more and more tension in that conflict with each fight.

>>8062435
straight autism. 99% of the time, shounen means "I want to make a fight manga" and if i'm wrong and my advice means nothing, whatever.

>>8062447
>99% of the time, shounen means
For me it means safe edgy, you write an edgy manga about serious topic, but your protags are not allowed to smoke, because they underage...

>>8061458
its simple, you want characters abstracted so they are relatable, but you want events detailed, so you can place yourself into them

>>8061455
>180 rule
*180 suggestion
it's literally only something to worry about when dealing with a physical camera (and/or trying to imitate the presentation of one), comics are not representational of real spaces, it's extremely easy to keep track of what's going on after reading more than 1 manga because you simply get used to the different visual storytelling conventions of it

>>8062487
ieslb...

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>>8062503
Literally pic related.
>>8062506
>it's literally only something to worry about when dealing with a physical camera (and/or trying to imitate the presentation of one), comics are not representational of real spaces,
What? Of course is a comic panel a camera, what else?
Most of the time, you understand whats going on, it just makes the flow worse. For me better flow is always better.

>>8062506
I think the 180 rule can be justified not with reference to a camera, but with reference to our eyes.
When we engage with a scene before us in real life, we typically do not go outside of the 180 rule, we are spectators, watching it pass us by.
It's too much of an imaginary leap to imagine movement more dynamic than the bounds of the 180 rule, and so it feels jarring. We cannot imagine how we got from point A to point B and we become confused as to where we now are.

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>>8062573

>>8062447
Maybe Im just a puritan but that is one too many shots of puss. Like we get a whole 360 of this bitch's crotch and I think we lose whatever plot thread we had goin a little bit.
If I were you Id axe one of em, preferably the one in the middle before the legs spread to emphasize the perv's perverted reaction.
I'd also would wanna know if you can find some more accurate refs for that very top panel with the reverse puss angle cause those cheeks dont seem to be hanging in a natural way at all.

>>8062433
Has the guy with the hat teleported?

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>>8062565
I wonder if the original storyboard would work better for you. I redrafted this page on a whim cause the dialogue wasn't flowing well, she also didn't have any clothes to lift like she's doing in the original panel.

What i think is funny, is how we (or you) lowered the standards after aislopafication happened. Now people think filters, photobashing and 3d tracing are legit techniques from the good old days.

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>>8062603

>>8062573
Well I am missing the context of the text mind you but in my ideal world I would do something like pic related where you give a little more focus to the guys perverted reaction and emphasize another aspect of her body and then have her open up her crotch

>>8062447
Thanks anon. Someone else said the same hting on /beg/. I think I'll add the stars before publishing.

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>>8062622 >>8062624

>>8062583
Like maybe emphasize her tits or her tummy that leads into her puss, and if shes naked just have a pose that that keeps her arms close to her body like hugging herself in some form

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>>8062630 >>8063823

>>8062603
These characters are visiting each other each night and shes revealing more and more. the first visit was breast focused. I think if she repeated stuff from the previous nights it might get redundant. She also still needs to be holding her flashlight. I will move the first shot to focus on her stomach more, the dialouge says that's where he's looking but the image doesn't reflect that.

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>>8062603
Also depending on the context I would advise being more willing to change the cript for the sake of a good looking page. Ive had scenarios where my initial script didnt mesh with the drawings that I ended up making but in almost all instances I would change the script on the spot until something worked with the page that I got. As long as it didnt contradict the proceeding events changin the words is easier then changin the pics

>>8062622
OH SHIT THAT TOP PANEL WAS HER TUMMY?
Given the shot of her ass right after I thought it was supposed to be bottom angle shot of her ass and puss. In that case I would axe that panel for sure cause it gets too cut off from the main area of the tummy and get better angles. I trust your skills for the rest

Your hentai skills is very top tier laundry. I hope one day we can get some DM hentai.

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>>8062271
I apprecitate the sentiment but I think that was the OTHER Australian porn artist.

>>8062018
scope change; now the comic is about a wily cat and the pretty vet trying to calm it down.

What would you do if a publisher was actually interested in your comic and offered you a serialization? I think I would probably turn it down. I wouldn't be able to work under a deadline and all the pressure that comes with being paid to make manga.

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>>8062723
>tfw anon's comic isnt good enough to twist the publishers arm to extend the deadline

>>8062723
I would say no simply because I don't want to hand over the rights to my passion project and pray that they won't axe it before its finished.

>finally able to draw manga
>have all the materials and skills I need
>too depressed to keep drawing
Why is life so shit?

>>8062723
When you are getting published your mindset changes. So it may very well be that you are suddenly able to do it fast enough.

>>8062756
lmao

just make a new IP you one trick pony

>>8062723
it depends how much they want me to change. If they are trying to make it woke then I would say no.

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>>8062834

been losing the drive I had for making comics. I doesnt feel the same passion for it as I did in the early days. Well thats life

>>8062824
It becomes a routine I will admit. I only ever get the high after completing a certain page count/complete an arc or that one page that I drew today was sick as fuck. Its not like Im gettin the high from audience reaction either(cause I dont have one)

>>8062774
I have like 30 different manga ideas I think could all be successful. One of them is simply my favorite.

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>>8061276
Nice work!

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Manga making

I had over two weeks to draw 1 page manga for the csp contest. I came up with a little idea and did nothing afterwards. I started yesterday, drew some sketches and layouts.
Now the deadline is in 12 hours, i've done basically nothing. I feel myself burned out and depressed. Already thought about just quitting.
Yeah,that's the life of a mangaka, innit?

People who have been working on the same comic for years without even having any sort of following, are you at least having fun?

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>>8062960
2 years, 100+ pages in and the only people who know about it are close friends. Still the most fun I've had with art. Gonna go out of my way to shill it later.

>>8062945
6 hours in, it looks like shit. My self image is shattered i feel depressed like a teenage boy. That's what actually drawing does to a motherfucker...
I don't think i will make it guys.

>>8062960
I had a funny period during lockdowns when nobody would bother me. Now it's just therapy.

>>8063103
post it fren

>>8062960
I have made over 500 chapters (42 volumes) and only have around 20 readers

>>8063296
It's too cringe and can barely called finished.
Anyway, i found out about myself, that I'm cattle that needs extrinsic motivation to do stuff. I thought I've had more free will.

>>8063103
now you know what its like to rush, next time you will start early

>>8063353
link?

>>8063353
Atleast it's a good comic right? right?

>argument ad ONE

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>>8063401

Can anyone hook me up with a decent PDF creator? Ive gotten away with using a freeware program but now that Im over 100 pages it fucking crashes out on me.

>>8063399
Can't CSP make PDFs already? Or is it an Ex thing only?

>>8063401
Its an EX thing if I recall, and I REFUSE to upgrade to some perpetual license BS.

>>8063409
damn, oh well

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>>8063416 >>8063444 >>8063536

Maybe that anon was right. If pro mangakas can get away with serving up this kind of garbage anatomy then you can too. Grinding to actually git gud at drawing is for untalented retards. At the end of the day story is all that actually matters.

>>8063412
Uh this looks way better than anything I've ever seen posted here.

whats the average age here? 35? 25?

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>>8063445 >>8063524

>>8063416
>>8063412
This type of bullshit always gets posted and more bullshit gets flung cause it tees up easy bait. but you never see anyone try to analyze the skill gap, or admit where the panel works.

This took me two attempts and It's still not as good as the original because trying to turd polish a piece purely for the sake of anatomical correctness is retarded. The original has a twist and throwing back of the arm that mine does not capture as well. The original does the perspective better, with the hand foreshortening well without exaggerating a ton. and in an attempt to add more energy to the piece, I made the head completely wrong. not to mention the face lacks everything that makes makima work.

This original is far better than you give it credit. Crabs who smugly agree with shit takes just so they can harshly compare apples to oranges need to die. I'm willing to share my failure and admit I can be better, and grow from seeing this piece. You both probably did nothing today.

>>8063444
Why include me though I literally said the OG makima looks good. I wasn't being sarcastic.

How useful is it to have an already completed story? I've mostly been a web novel writer but got a pen display last month.

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tfw I wake up and its time to work on my mangas

>>8063446
Ask chatgpt

Since I'm genuinely more interested in improving my art quality and page layout/flow part of comic making for now before making anything purely on my own, where can I find a writer looking for an artist online outside of here?

>>8063461
Just make a comic about anything even if it's badly written. Once you start putting in real work you're going to become a lot more picky with what you want to make.

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>>8063461
Just fucking rip off a story thats in the Public Domain

>>8063455
No

>>8063371
Well, yes, but on the other hand it was a very productive day and i learned to work faster. I think i need more deadlines in my life.

>>8063444
the people shitting on fujimoto can't even get 1 page done in 2 weeks let alone 17 at even half his skill level

>>8063412
I like shitting on mr. safe-edgy myself, but for the right reasons.
Here you are in the wrong.
It's like that one Pain meme from naruto, where people have posted smearing frames from animation. I mean not quite, but Chainsaw is very fast comic, drawn fast and is supposed to be read fast as well.
You think like an illustrator. From that standpoint it is bad anatomy.
But if you think about it in therms of a weekly manga, that needs to build up momentum and carry it over thousands of pages, you criticism becomes retarded.
In a regular art circle it would be fine to shit on such panels. But as a fellow mangaka, you should know better.

>>8063524
>the people can't even get 1 page done in 2 weeks
Bro, that's oddly specific, i feel targeted for some reason... >>8062945

>>8063538
didnt even read your post desu

What are some manga with a nice flow? I want to maximise the reading flow of my manga, i want to study some good examples.
Chainsaw, Akira, Dragonball is obvious, maybe there is something less known.

STOOOOP. STOP ASKING QUESTIONS AND JUST CREATE! CREATEEE!!

>>8063559
I got a question, is there a westoid manga artist who made it that actually has good writing?

>>8063569
Lol. There isn't even a japanese manga that made it and has good writing.

>>8063576
He lied btw.

>>8063576
Bitch, you don't even own Bleach yourself, Mr. Sakuraberg from Jump does, shut the fuck up.

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>>8063589 >>8063593

>https://pochitto.hatenablog.com/entry/hensyu_taidan
Which side are you, anon?

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>>8063585
Mr. Hayashi. Why do mangaka even need editors? I edit my own manga.

>>8063569
>is there a westoid manga artist who made it
you could've stopped there

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>>8063585
It's boomer talk, they act like it's 1995.
We have a much bigger problem, our youth gets more and more retarded. And it's barely our anymore.
As one of the leftoids once said - there is no right life in the wrong one.
There is no right way of doing manga, if the readership is retarded cattle.

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>>8063654

how's my linework, does it have that manga feel? sometimes I feel like I get into my head too much with this stuff.

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>>8063648
It's not a traditional look, but it's similar to what Chanta does

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>>8063659 >>8063800 >>8064170

People here only know to talk about One when it comes to mangaka that started with bad art but got better. But yesterday I came across this old doujin made by Yui Aida, the author of Gunslinger Girl, and here you can see how his art looked like before he got an official serialization. The art reminds a lot of the work posted here, and even a little of my own. This page is actually a little better than the earlier pages of the doujin, but it still looks super amateurish in comparison to the official manga. I just thought it would be interesting to share it here to remind everyone that you're not really that far off...

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>>8063661 >>8064170

>>8063657
Another page from it.

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>>8063663 >>8063695

>>8063659
And here's the official manga art. Sure, Yui didn't do most of this like the architecture, the guns, cars and etc, but he did work on the characters and other things. And my point still stands.

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>>8063661
Another page from the official manga.

bringing up chainsawman as a good example has got to stop. That manga is an experiment for a new generation so its not playing by the same rules. You say it's art is crap and people whose first manga was CSM will snap back with "art doesn't matter in manga, only storytelling". Sure, but the story in CSM sucks too. Part 1 is fine, but even the fans say part 2 shit the bed.

Now they circle back and say the art is actually good because it did its job to convey the scene. Yet some random schmuck here posts a comic and people tear it apart. The truth is he has a massive halo effect just from being on shonen jump. Could he have drawn better? Maybe, but he chose not to. "but he was overworked and sick" How does that affect the reader? Everyone here is tired, you don't give them the same grace.

Art style and detail is just something you can't worry about as an amateur. Everyone already hates us just for attempting to draw manga, people look for reasons to NOT read amateur stuff. The manga on mangaplus (not creators) that are like C tier are pretty close to what you see here, just more polished and more direction to help them. Its better to focus on clarity and flow and draw for fun. And definitely dont take advice from people who clearly are not drawing

>geee, look how shit this pro mangaka is hahaha
>posts page better than everything ever posted in this thread
Every fucking time, bros.

>>8063681
It's really isn't that much better. Read the very first chapter if you want:https://mangadex.org/chapter/b1095416-82fd-4d2b-97f1-4cad0c9a5044 It looks pretty rough. Some anons here are genuinely making better art than this.

>>8063671
Im reading it for the first time right now. Finished volume 7 5 mins ago.
It's good, art is good, paneling is good (even though he is breaking the 180 rule all the time, which can be confusing), story isn't bad, characters are good.
I hate how safe edgy it is. Otherwise it's solid.
It has a nice flow.
Regardless art. You can't fake experience and energy, he has both. If you can't appreciate a sketchy style, okey, fine. But it's good for what it is.

>>8063689
Nta but yeah, part 1 one was pretty good, including the art. Wait until you get to part 2. That's when everything goes to shit. Fujimoto is a good author an he can be a great artist when he applies himself. But Chainsaw Man got butchered really hard.

>>8063681
which ones have you read?
ONE has bad art but his storytelling and pacing is great, so that means you need to read a few pages at least to really get that out of a manga.

>>8063671
Composition and story should be the main focus
Art can be nice but it won't carry a series far unless it's supposed to be ecchi

>>8063661
Are there any mangakas who draw their vehicles/tech directly outside of like Nihei or former mecha designers like Mamoru Nagano?

>>8063695
>directly
What you mean, directly?

>>8063695
Nagano is not a former anything, FSS is still ongoing and he is arguably at the bleeding edge of the genre.

I wonder how tf I was able to draw manga before because now I can barely muster up the energy even though I'm better at drawing now.

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>>8063809 >>8063815 >>8063856

>>8063692
ONEs art isn't even bad. I rather look at this than 90% of the stuff I see on manga plus creators. Also he was always good at paneling and choreography. Those are the skills that matter most.

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>>8063802 >>8063806

>>8063657
>The art reminds a lot of the work posted here, and even a little of my own
Im sure wed rather see someone post their fucking work as opposed to fucking analysis of established authors or another discussion of fucking Chainsaw Man >>8063671
that should go on fucking /a/ by god man are you fucks banned from that board or something? Shit on/praise these authors on that fucking board I wanna talk shop damn it

>>8063800
There is no talking shop unless you have a specific question and are willing to hear the answer.
What is your question?

>>8063800
>Im sure wed rather see someone post their fucking work
We can do both you know.

>>8063799
this is from over 100 chapters in and is from 2025. Plus, you said you'd "rather look at this" meaning you don't read one punch man.

People just spread infor they are told and are not speaking from their own experiences.

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>>8063799
Son...

Which makes for an easier starting point? Manga, or webtoon?

>>8063817
>Which makes for an easier starting point?
Shittoon is easiyer, so the choice is obvious for manga.

>>8062622
oh shit rare ms dorothy smut

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>>8063835 >>8063865 >>8063875 >>8063879 >>8063995

You guys are too stupid to see, the reason why Chainsaw man succeeds is simply because it's interesting.
People don't think about metrics like art skill or a sensible story. They just simply like it. It's likeable. That's all that matters, focus on that.

>>8063829
>low resolution thinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riU59TBB8W0

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>>8063856

>>8063809
Here's an early one that also looks better than %90. Also why are you making up stuff? I read both the manga and webcomic though admittedly never finished them due to redraws and needing time for other things.

>>8063799
>>8063843
>massive improvement after years of consistent drawing
Funny how One doesn't even want to be 'One' yet this thread constantly puts him as a benchmark to aspire to because of its own extreme mediocrity.

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>>8063880

>>8063829
The art is good tho

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>>8063856
I don't think anyone is aspiring to be ONE's level of art skill, but OPM largely got popular because of Murata and that's why it go published. ONE isn't really a proper benchmark anyway because while his art was subpart (and is at least now acceptable) it was his story telling, paneling, etc. that made it compelling. I mean, there are plenty of people who actually liked Mob Psycho more than OPM anyway, and Murata had no bearing on that, it was all ONE.

But anyway, even putting ONE aside, you can look at a great many mangaka who's art is kinda shaky early on. Its why it is important to be constantly drawing, because you'll get better doing stuff over and over. At worst, you'll become more aware of your shortcomings, and your artstyle will evolve. Go take a look at early Bleach compared to later Bleach. Go take a look at early Junji Ito work, like his first chapter or two of Tomie, and then look at his work as he evolved. His earliest stuff is pretty rough. Acceptable, but not nearly as good as what he would eventually become.

>>8063829
Why can't it succeed for a multitude of reasons? A combination of art, story, character design, pacing, paneling, etc.

Read Araki's book on manga theory. He said the publishers often take a single glance at the first page of a submission before rejecting it. He said aspiring mangaka leave in tears after such a thing.

The publisher isn't going to sit through multiple chapters waiting to see how "interesting" the story gets. Neither is some random reader.

>>8063829
I liked CM, but I really think it was overrated. But that's the cases of every mainstream anime.

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>>8063920

>>8063865
It looks like shit
Next post the astronaut page
It's all you csmfags have

>>8063879
>anime
Fuck off poser, this thread is about serious stuff.

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Anyways, how about we go back to manga making?

>>8063881
Oh I forgot I was on /mmg/... lol

>>8063875
>Read Araki's book on manga theory.
Imagine being a cartoonist and writing a fucking book about comics instead of drawing a cartoon... such disgrace.

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>>8063886
Anon... I don't know how to tell you this but

>>8063880
Part 2 art is ass but part 1 is peak

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>>8064045

>>8063920

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>>8063945 >>8063947 >>8063973

Reminder that even Japanese publisher is Pro-AI and you should be to if you want to make it to the industry.

if you look to your right you'll see losersville: home of the people who gave up

>>8063932
Reminder that you should be making your manga.

>>8063932
Japan is actually a pretty soulless and degenerate society, they're just good at hiding it.

>MHHMMM Just love talking about Chainsaw Man, ONE, and AI and never actually making anything of my own

I am hoping to make my own animes someday. For this I will use AI. In the meantime I can make a webcomic like one punch man. It can get its own anime because chainsawman did and the art isn't very good.

I don't feel like drawing anymore. I don't want to give anythign to this world. You can eat my shit if you want but that's about it.

>>8063932
AI is just a tool. Others will use it no matter what. Stop obsessing and make whatever you want.

>>8063829
now ask yourself what kind of person thinks its interesting?

>>8063995
Yeah, most people. It sold over 30 million copies.

>>8063856
ONE is the ultimate gotcha for people who only read stuff that already becomes popular. Most people unironically believe in their hearts that popularity is synonimous with quality. And that if somethings unknown, its bad by nature. They don't want to think that maybe they dont know what makes something good or bad because thats an attack on their taste.

The sensible stance would be that its mostly luck what gets popular, thats how everything works. And something can be bad and get popular for various reasons (chainsawman) or be good and unknown (can't name examples beacuse they are unknown).

In the context of making your own stuff, people get defensive and have to insist everything that isn't "discovered" is bad. Look at hte vitriol that guy has towards manga here, like it offends him that it even exists.

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>>8063999
Please consult the graph

>>8063999
This sounds like cope.

If you are drawing manga.... you know deep down that its just for fun. chance are you're in your 30s and you put it on sites here other 30 year old uncs read stuff, since we are from an ancient time when people read webcomics for fun.
if you're 18 or around there... its even harder to do it because you know 0% of your cohorts will bother reading it. those are the people crabbing

>>8063999
Chainsawman part 1 is one of the greatest manga experiences oat, its just like reading a long "iconic" shonen adventure but not long and with a less innocent sense of humor

>>8064007
Fellow uncs, rise up, we are the last good generation

God it pisses me off, its how you retards seem to forget that everybody at the top of the game is an unironic 150+ iq genius. You actually think fujimoto is just some retard without ball knowledge, without artistic talent, an autogynephile pervert? Then you are 300% fucking wrong.

>>8064009
I can see why you would think that.

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>>8064037

Post your work.

Do you have a completed manga? Were you serialized? Did you get an anime adaptation? Did your manga achieve overseas fame in another country? If it didn't I think you should shut up.

You are not fujimoto tier. I've never read him and probably never will, but I can already tell. You are not even gal cleaning or ice head gill tier. Hell, you're not even webtoon originals tier and that isn't saying much.

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>>8064032
Bro you cant just post a vid of me this is supposed to be anonymous board
Also Im not any of those anons but I'll post a pic from one of my pages to break the pace

>>8064016
Vagueposting for the win right?

>>8063928
Its a weekly manga nigger, all pf the panels look alright

>>8064042
Perhaps...

ITS WEEKLY LEAVE HIM ALONE

>>8061455
>>8062506
The 180 "rule" is something you keep in mind to avoid confusing the viewer in a chaotic scene, so that the viewer can easily maintain an understanding of the spatial relationship between the subjects of the shots.
A camera rotating 180 degrees around a singular subject in throughout three consecutive shots does not break the 180 rule.

>>8063536
>mr. safe-edgy myself
Fujimoto? The guy who makes silly grindhouse gorefest manga? There nothing edgy about them at all.

Im studying OPM an CM to learn paneling and i noticed something.
First of its absurd how good Murata is at drawing action.
But even though Murata renders a lot more and his renders are a lot more realistic, Fujimotos art style is more realistic in therms of proportions, especially girls.
Murata draws girls faces in the high abstracted anime style. But Fujimoto draws all people the same, with quite realistic proportions.
He never draws chibby versions or cartoonish faces like Murata, so it gives his manga a solidity you don't have in OPM.
CM looks a little bit like rotoscoping, very simple, sometimes crude, but there is a hard frame beneath that gives the whole thing solidity.
I don't know what to do with this info, but it's very striking if you compare the two.

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>>8064158
Same here, the jakuza guy looks rotoscoped and the anime guy looks highly stylized.
I don't know, i don't think i really like that.

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Similar with Orb, it is animeish, but you still get the rotoscoped feeling from it.
And i think it brakes the illusion less compared to amateurish drawn anime that highly stylized. >>8063657 >>8063659
I propose a hypotheses that for amateurs it's better to draw stiffer figures with more realistic proportions. And not highly stylized anime.

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In OPM even serious, realistic drawn guys get the big anime eyes. The tough guys eyes are more anime than most girls eyes in CM

>>8064013
Japanese just have the required access to information from the start. They are surrounded by manga art and great book shops. They even have school clubs dedicated to manga. Plus they actually live in a stable society and are not surrounded by sandniggers and retards.

I never even heard of Loomis until my late 30s.

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>>8064206

Reminder that it's okay to rely on AI as long as you're not retard enough to let yourself get caught.

>>8063999
That's how I feel about it too.

>>8064182
Saaaaaaaaarrrrrr doooo there neeeedfuuuullllll!!!!

>>8064178
>third world problems

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>>8064223 >>8064224 >>8064237 >>8064243

I cant seem to stay on model. It's not even a matter of not checking it against a character sheet with head rotations or anything like that, if my hand isnt feeling certain forms or my head is too foggy I cant seem to get it right. This is the same character, but the face, especially the eyes, are completely different.

What do? Just grind more heads?

>>8064219
holy shit! bro did you draw that????

>>8064219
You're too focused on making it look like anime rather than designing characters, unironically doing what AI does. You're taking a set of symbols you have memorized and repeating them.

>>8064224
your tripping nigga wtf

>>8064225
>whats my problem
>here's your problem
>ahhhhh your trippin nigga sheeeeiiiiiit
And this is why nobody worth anything posts here anymore

>>8064219
Being "on-model" isn't as important as you think. So long as the readers can tell the characters apart, you don't need to stick closely to an exact design. Characters in manga end up a bit off-model all the time.

But yes, consistency comes with practice.

>>8064234
your racist asl

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>>8064245 >>8064247

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwG8HXljj94
What the first pages of manga have to depict according Torishima:
>who the MC is?
>how their world looks like?
>what kind of journey the story is bringing the readers into?
>show, don't tell
Is you first pages Torishima-approved, anon?

>>8064219
Her face looks AI traced, exactly like that anon>>8064224 said.

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>>8064249 >>8064377

>>8064241
Torishima said Chainsaw Man's first page is shit.
Too many panels.
Too many explanations.
If he was to edit this, he would make the first page just depicting a full-body shot of standing Denji with Pochita below him and says: "Alright, let's rack some cash.".

>>8064241
The first page rule only applies to gag manga. I wouldn't take Torishima's advice when it comes to writing anyway.

>>8064245
CSM is immune to manga fundamentals, didn't you get the memo?

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Behold, the crème de la crème of manga first page.

Is there a more serious manga community, with better moderation, without shitting pajeet from indonesia, nodraws and other retards. I even okey with brown people, as long as they draw and shut the fuck up about aislop.

>>8064254
There's nowhere to hide from AI slop. AI is just like 3D models back then, people got judged for overusing them, taking about them, but over time it just became standard. Anyone who refuses to learn how to use it is just going to get left behind and put at a disadvantage. AI is going to be the same way one day. Either you unplug your internet or you learn to live with it now it's your choice.

>>8064260
CEEEOOOOOOO MINDSEEEET SAAAAARRRR!!!!

>>8064254
I know we're in a lull right now but thats because people are busy working on their manga or resting since the year is almost over.

>>8064267
If the good people come back, the retards will still be here, right?
I just want to talk about manga, without the need to engage with shitting retards, that are here to troll and destruct.
I just don't give a fuck, what people do in India or Indonesia. They do not have any cultural connections to me, they follow a different moral codex and social norms.
You can't cramp a bunch of people from all over the world into one place and have a healthy social group.

>>8064273
Hide the posts you don't like. I'm serious.
Anyway, what did you want to talk about? You've got me here, let's talk about manga.

Dragonball has always been overrated normie slop. Also has been milked to absolute death.
There are way better manga but normies have no taste.

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>>8064292 >>8064602

>>8064276
How do i know you're not retarded?
>let's talk about manga
I posted about my observations about CM and OPM. And it basically comes back to my old theory regarding low sexual dimorphism in humans.
The difference between man and female is (objectively) very subtle, therefore hard to draw and easy to fuck up, especially in motion and under unusual angels.
So anime turns up the sexual dimoprhism levels and makes the difference between males and females more obvious.
Murata does that as well, his hot girls are in substance a lot more cuter than the real ones, big eyes, no noise, small chins. But they cross over into abstraction too much for me, the faces look less grounded compared to CM.
That's a big problem with western comics and amateur comics, they have problems depicting cute girls.
What is the use of a manga without pictures or conversations of cute girls?
Fujimoto's manga is more or less a harem manga, and he is able to draw cute girls even with his very simple art style. But he is able keeps the solidity of his human figures as well, by not dipping to much into abstraction.

That's the problem, the triangle between

cute - solid - simplified

is hard to get right. He is very effective at it, sure writing does a lot of heavy lifting as well, but CM with a different artist wouldn't work as good.
I want to be able to draw cute, simplified girls, without loosing the ground of naturalistic proportions. But no one teaches that.

Too long don't read

>>8064290
>That's a big problem with western comics and amateur comics, they have problems depicting cute girls.
Eh... "Cute" isn't necessarily the goal. Japan loves cuteness, Japanese society highly values cuteness. Not so much for western countries, who value maturity much more. That's reflected in the depictions of the "attractive girl" leads.
So how much of a problem that is depends on how much that appeals to you.
>What is the use of a manga without pictures or conversations of cute girls?
...to tell a story?
Are you here to discuss manga or to shitpost?
>Fujimoto's manga is more or less a harem manga
Uh...... What?
Can you elaborate?
>I want to be able to draw cute, simplified girls, without loosing the ground of naturalistic proportions. But no one teaches that.
Nobody can teach you that because that's a matter of taste. Just copy what you like.

>How do i know you're not retarded?
How do you know anybody isn't retarded? If that's your concern, stick to talking to close friends.

>>8064254
I hate snob faggots like yourself. Plenty of people on /mmg/ post their work and ask manga related questions, and what do you do? Ignore it. You faggots only show up to complain. Anyways, let's all go work in our manga ffs.

>>8064224
>>8064243
I see... but what if not shape design should I be doing? animanga-characters arent exactly accurate representations of the same 3D object when viewed from different angles, so shouldn't I be doing symbol drawing then? What other approach would you reccomend, or am I misunderstanding something?

>>8064234
Different user. Getting mistaken for shit flingers is why I consider namefagging in these threads.

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>>8064324 >>8064339

thoughts on this page test/exercise? also these are random character designs I quickly came up with for the page exercise. I feel like I definitely need to work on anatomy and a style. I'd also add that my line work is definitely dependent on the pen/brush I'm using so it's not that consistent in general.

>>8064318
I like the linework. The pose on the guy to the right look a little stiff on the last panel imo.

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>>8064318
imo some smaller transition panels could make the action flow better

>>8064305
Why do you care so much about it? Just give her a mole, thick eyebrows or something if you can't keep her face consistent.

>>8064254
Is there something unserious about discussing the state of the internet/society (which are the same thing now)?

>>8064245
if it's so bad how did CSM become the most influential manga of the decade

I really have to figure out how to do this just on paper. As soon as I start working digitally it becomes too tedious for me.

>>8064377
Goy cattle is retarded. Simple.

>>8064342
I mean. Fair.

>>8064292
>Fujimoto's manga is more or less a harem manga
>Uh...... What?
>Can you elaborate?

Hes likely referring to recurring (potential) love interests for Denji. Himeno, Power, Makima, Reze, Asa and Yoru. All of these were to varying degrees love interests, though not all as straightforwardly

>>8061198
are there actual human beings that read saturday AM? I've never heard a single thing about it EVER

What if i drew manga without the manga faces? Would the chinks go crazy or something?

I think you have to be really good at visualizing things in your head to draw manga. Otherwise you just can't really draw the storyboards.

>>8064493
That's not true. I genuinely can't visualize certain things myself. The solution is to just draw them first in whatever way you can.

>>8064495
But the problem with story boards is that you should draw them fast and if you can't really visualize it in your head then you don't even really know if it will look good because it's drawn so fast and simple

>>8064498
>you should draw them fast
Huh? I never knew this was a thing. Sometimes I take half an hour to sketch a page paneling.

>>8062004
you can really tell when someone doesnt draw men often lol

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>tfw can't nail the right sinister erotic expression which is meant to be the big ending shot of the comic
I'm not ready for this yet... Guess I'll just shelve it since the rest of it's taking longer than expected too

>>8064501
sorry gay guy.

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>>8064501
You don't get it anon. The modern male has the testosterone and mental fragility of literal children. By not drawing pathetic losers who are actually really nice guys (once you get used to the smell) you are literally denying them sex and are no better than those mean girls from middle school. The only thing gayer than not having skid marked underwear from refusing to wipe is literally drawing good looking males. Stop judging and allow males to be cucked loser in their own fantasies.

Drew some sketches and tried to come up with some short story but I just couldn't think of anything. Often my mind is just empty and I simply can't think of anything.

>>8064290
This reads as though you might be autistic. And not in the ironic, internet way, but the "legitimate face blindness" way, if you can barely tell the difference between males and females.

Sexual dimorphism is barely a thing in more complex organisms, especially mammals to begin with, unless we're talking about something like a male lion having a mane and a female one not having one. It is far more of a thing in lower lifeforms like insects or certain fish and whatnot, where the male is quite literally a floating penis trying to find female and that is essentially all they exist to do.

If you can't tell the difference between human men and women--and no, I'm not talking about just drawing huge tits or an hourglass torso to hips ratio--then you quite literally need to go back to the drawing board.