Stumbled over this video and it looks like a FOMO-tactice, is this "scam" ?
>>8049110Well what are you fucking waiting for, OP? Secure that seat nigga.
>>8049113but there are plenty KJG-videos for free with plenty of knowledge on YT.... 2k$ seems overkill for this course lul
>>8049122I see student results from this man. I don't see student results from this so called legendary Krenz.
>>8049110sometimes i wonder if having ethics has really done me any benefit at all and the answer is always no yet i persist with them like a retard, perhaps i'm just low iq otherwise i can too be shilling my shit draw course
>>804912680% of those chinese artists on twitter probably took krenz's classnekojira is one
>>8049158>80% of those chinese artists on twitter probably took krenz's classChina has real artschools that teaching asians how draw anon
You can draw from imagination right now, you've just set an imaginary bar of quality you need to meet before you allow yourself to
>>8049110Nobody can teach you how to draw from imagination, you need imagination to draw from imagination. And for that you need experience, a course won't give you experience.
> briefly look inside> a bunch of form and perspective nonsenseReal imagination heads know it's about bending shape and silhouette and not trying to recreate blender in your head.
>>8049345also this is the only good student work shown, even though the figures are stiff and he has no idea how walk cycles work.
>>8049322>just bet the dog broGet a load of this industry pro
>>8049356*petFUCK I ruined the joke
>>8049347i still think 2000 dollas are too much
>>8049110>2K bucksLOLyou can take krenz's 6 courses(basic line, basic color, figure sketch, perspective, color and light and composition) for 1300 bucks lol
>>8049306and? stay on topic retard, that has nothing to do with what i'm responding to
>>8049110Yes it is a scam. Why would you pay 2k to learn from a mid to high beg youtube grifter. This retard can hardly draw himself or apply anything he tries to teach (which is all just exercises he copied from Han, KJG, etc) with consistency. He's like barely a level above the Disciplined Drawing guy. You can take any course from actual teachers, that can actually draw for way less.
>>8049345They do have silhouettes dumbass
>>8049448youre too beg to understand sorry anon
>>8049370One K too short
Could someone chime in on if Ahmed Aldoori's digital painting course is worth doing?
>>8050056Yes, even worth to follow it and doing trad stuff.
>>8049345this guy knows
>>8049110>>let me teach you an outdated skillwhat an evil world we live in
>>8049345>>8050063Based shape bros
>>8049370Grabbed this one a few days ago. I might be too retarded for this course.
I'm just about at the point that if someone's art goal is to "draw like Kim Jung Gi" I'm just assuming their mentally an NFT crypto retard. They never show any of their own tastes, just endless people with animal heads in a fish eye lens. It's almost like these people just see art as a circus trick to perform for normies, "look at he craaaaazy stuff I draw without even having a reference" and it's just like, a guy with really big pants in space.
>>8049155>ethicsIt's playing the wrong game. Most likely he isn't really making good sales with that course but there's a non Zero chance that he would. There are people out there who do not understand a value of a dollar and will pay for pretty much anything as long as the dream sounds nice. Women as a whole buy the dumbest shit to have the audience he has he would be a fool not to make some shit course for money. It's fishing, you set out the bait and see who bites. Doesn't matter if the bait is shit if 1 person takes their course that's $2000 bux
Boomer animator btfoes the box-brained midgethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmyVUDP4MdsConstruction slop is the most soulless form of art. The old disney masters truly had it all figured out. Return to donald and mickey.
>>8049345Pyw
>>8057190oh hell yeah i love art drama, drag that broccoli hair generation nigga
>>8057190Damn already gave 20 tabs of youtube art videos open. Whats one more?
>>8049110Clearly they understand something you don't. Most people don't care about learning as much as they do just having someone personable teach them things. The people who want quality education and are actively grinding in a tryhard fashion, by definition, are part of an extremely small minority and don't watch videos like this. The 100,000 people that like his videos, are part of the majority, that don't care much about anything at more than a hobbyist/superficial level, which is exactly what these videos and person pander to.It's called business. Now either recognize that this guy is in this to make money with art as their business venture and respect their hustle, or keep being retarded and thinking all artists have same goals. I know for a fact most people on here only have vague aspirations with nothing to show for it yet repeatedly critique people like this.
>>8049126>I see student results from...It doesn't really matter. Everyone has students that fail and students that succeed, so I never look at someone's students.
>>8057190OH SHIT is he the boomer version of ethan?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxoTwEdbbgQ
>>8057190This guy gets it. He completely understands that all of this is complete bullshit and the fact it continues to proliferate with more and more new artists spouting bullshit, actively holds artists back. Ppl like brokendraw are 100% grifters. Sure you draw well but all you can do is teach ppl how to draw and what will these ppl do if they attain any modicum of skill? Teach more ppl. It's a fucking pyramid scheme where none of these ppl will make any meaningful art.>>8057225As stated above, fuck these grifters. They are grifters in the art space taking advantage of unknowing beginners. They aren't artists, they are grifters. Fuck this guy, he deserves no respect.
>>8057190He is not against construction though, he just doesn't like box construction and grinding useless exercises in void, like the ones Brokendraw shills. He uses construction himself, as all animators do. You didn't even watch the video. And you're getting filtered by construction, which means you're NGMI.
>>8057190based
>>8057225No, fuck grifters and fuck you.
>>8057190this guy is based and wise he calls videos "movies"
>>8057426OK ur right...i watched the video now and more than anything, i am getting mad at the brokendraw guy. The audacity of him to charge $2000 for an 8 weeks beginners course - and then it's not even a small class, it's a 20 people class! He better be driving home to you and give you damn good bj's for that money. For $800, you get 10 weeks under Villpu or 8 weeks under Peter Han. $360 for 10 weeks under Karl Gnass. You can get feedback from actual masters and ask them questions (maybe Peter is a bit young for that master label). Brainstorm School and Concept Design Academy are charging ~$800 for 10 weeks as well.$2000/8 weeks is plain exploitation of beginners who want to "draw like that youtube guy". It comes out more expensive than Don Bluth's Scamcademy ($10000/year = $1600/8 weeks). And they don't even get Donnie, instead they get mindbroken by box constructions. ̶I̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶s̶ ̶t̶r̶u̶l̶y̶ ̶b̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶d̶r̶a̶w̶.Calling it an "aphasia-centric highly specific workflow" is charitable cope, that guy deserves to be blasted for this.
>>8057426You can learn from Peter Han one of the guys that brokendraw guy is emulating for cheaper then 2k what a joke anyone paying that kinda money for a art student to teach them is fucking retarded
>>8057572Guaranteed he didn't fill up his "class", I'd be surprised if he even got 1 retard to spend $2000.
>>8049110>2000 dollarinos>10 weekslolpicrel its all you need
>>8057554>>8057333>fuck grifters Same. At the same time if you're retarded enough to look at this person's work and say "I'd like to spend $2000 to learn from him" You absolutely deserve it. Same as those people who choose to buy crypto from any influencer, there's been hundreds of rug pulls and yet people are STILL falling for it. I'm tired of absolute bullshit like this and if the human race isn't smart enough not to give this fraud money then he deserves every drop he squeezes out of retarded people.
>>8057190American animators suck compared to Japanese/Chinese animators. And they use boxes.
>>8057825I will never take art advice from a chink
Am I schizo or does it feel like brokendraw selfposts on /ic/? >>8057190I watched the whole video, I don't agree with everything he said, but he is right that going about drawing everything with boxes is retarded and grinding exercises won't do anything for you (he also dissed loomis kek). I actually hope we can get more people in the art community to criticize other peoples teaching, because theres lots of bad shit out there hurting beginners. >>8057572His classes are probably 2k because he mentioned he went to an expensive animation school (SCAD I think?) so hes probably trying to pay off them student loans. Now that I think of it, it seems like everyone who does the whole "I'm gonna draw like KJG" is doing it to fool beginners into buying expensive courses that won't get them very far. Very scummy. I wonder how Kim would feel about people using his style to scam.
>>8057190pretty goodI strongly agree with him with the fetishization of memory drawing, a retarded idea that has also taken hold in this board
To get to the general topic:Did anyone here actually take any live online classes and can report? I do would like to take a Vilppu class before he dies (which may be any day now), but then I'm looking at the price tag and think it's probably not worth it. A few weeks with Peter Han might be cool too, but not $800 cool....>>8057572*correction, the brokendraw course is 10 weeks ofc, putting it at the same level as bluth academy. Exceeeept bluth lowered his price to $7500/year, apparently. Still nuts.>>8058442>$45k+/year tuition for entering a broken industryOh yes, of course, amimutts going into life-crippling debt for things that are essentially free in any other developed country.
>>8059685technically its very impressive, but at the same time it looks very... unsexy. Is sexual appeal its own skill?
>>8057190>is right about box exercises being a form of hazing>is right about imaginative drawing being some new age grift>calls out the patreon griftersYeah, this Boomer is based.
>>8059737Can you just summarize what he suggests to do? Is he calling out asian autism?
>>8059846he's calling out the obsession with soulless perspective grind, which is important, but it's being shoved into beginners faces when other things are more important at that stagehe also rightfully points out that you could get the same perspective intuition by simply going outside and sketching actual places instead of random boxes
>>8059847He seems to think people actually draw mannequins in detail and not rough stick figures.
Where did the Video Course General go?
>>8059892Like the rest of /ic/ dead and or driven out
>>8059846He's basically describing pic related. He's someone who lived in a better time, was taught and worked with some of the best animators of the 20th century and describes how not a single person from his time and prior used whatever the fuck is being shilled today as some art course. He sees art for what it should be and the soulless husk that it currently is and calls it out.It's two hours but he's spot on about most everything in that video.You're not going to get good by drawing boxes in a white void. You're not going to get good by drawing endless lines and circles.You're not going to get good by meticulously mannequinizing the human figure in box formations.Humans, animals and nature aren't fucking boxes.
>>8059892I haven't even checked Telegram for new classes in weeks. I just don't see a point anymore.
>>8059936Not even getting into how wacky the proportions and perspective are on the bottom picture
>>8057190I am at the first 30 minutes and he can't stop being based omgHopefully there are some usefull videos on his channel, because I am a misguided shit in search for guidance
>>8057190>dissing krenz/ic/ is NOT going to like this
>>8057825they don't, you've never worked on anime, they barely use construction
>>8057825American animators literally help animate your Japanese cartoons.
>>8059982meanwhile on an actual Slayers frame...
>>8060018there's an entire construction line going down her face
>>8057825I have never seen a chink or jap use boxes the way these online grifter courses suggest using them
>>8049110>>teaching obsolete skillsend days for courses, teaching skills that will neve be needed ever again.
>>8049110don't bother. just copy other illustrators and draw from imagination/reference.>>8060186saar...
>>8057190what a fucking hero. the box shit makes no sense and i hate it. seriously none of the animators or illustrators of old did that, they used a variety of shapes and rarely boxes unless it was for backgrounds/furniture or spongebob esque characters
does /ic/ just not understand what construction is...?
>>8060211yes, made up bullshit by people trying to figure out the process great illustrator's used to achieve results. everything is "construction" and nothing is. it's all drawing. it's all bullshit.
>>8057190>actual design principles taught by the old greats aren't anywhere>DON'T DO CUBE GRIDS. YOU LEARN PERSPECTIVE ORGANICALLY BY DRAWING ENVIRONMENTS AND FIGURING IT OUT>don't do these floating box compositions>you can't make everything from a box. you CAN use bounding boxes>use guidelines if you need to use guidelines>hates people using tech terms like "stacking and queuing" for new "exercises">art is not scientific and a lot of these exercises try to do that. you can make art scientific if you want to be an art forger>you don't draw figures and characters out of boxes>trying to mannequin-ize figures out of boxes is a plague>a lot of these exercises are just compounding out to make >doesn't understand where this obsession with drawing from imaginationkinda stopped taking notes at this point, but he says a lot of good. he even says the guy is a good artist and could even be an animator, but he doesn't understand why he's tying himself down with these exercises and obsession with imaginationa lot of the "exercises" too are just old techniques regurgitated that are now giving credit to people like peter han and other random people on the internet
>>8059936>You're not going to get good by drawing boxes in a white void. >You're not going to get good by drawing endless lines and circles.>You're not going to get good by meticulously mannequinizing the human figure in box formations.>Humans, animals and nature aren't fucking boxes.You're being dishonest just like how the guy in the video was. It's okay, I forgive you.
>>8060480I'm open to understanding your position on why you think that.
>>8060481I agree with what the old boomer was saying most of the video. Which was that the exercises are quite in fact boring, I too was a victim of getting bored out my mind doing boxes (wrongly or correctly). But boxes help you train a crucial aspect of drawing with is PERSPECTIVE. BUT that's all it really should be for. Boxes do help with imagination drawing and that's how I do most of my drawings now, I only ever do a rib cage for a rib cage shapedbox, and the head to figure out the head tilt I want, otherwise the rest of the limbs legs feet are placeholder shapes after the quick sketch. But how they do videos practicing boxes is really a soul crushing exercise especially for a newbie, most of the people trying to teach drawing really arnt good teachers...>Humans, animals and nature aren't fucking boxes.They arnt, but they can be used to break down the shapes of Humans, animals, and creatures, or cars etc. I dont do it for everything, when I get familiar enough with a subject, I tend to skip the box part and start putting in the closer organic line I want.>You're not going to get good by meticulously mannequinizing the human figure in box formations.Depends, you should be going the next step which is drawing the organic form over the boxes. At least for me, at worst I visually internalize the box in my head for certain parts of the human body, again mainly to know where my perspective is.>You're not going to get good by drawing endless lines and circles.Yeah this was fucking stupid, shouldn't be more than a 30 second practice and left at that.>You're not going to get good by drawing boxes in a white void. Well you need to establish a horizon line, then simply do the rest from there. But taking it to the next step is pretty crucial.Overall I do get what box fags are trying to show off but they really do a poor way of doing these exercises to try and get people to understand that its pretty much perspective training and it should only be that imo
I'm at a point in my art where I need fundamentals. Everywhere I go, I see folks recommending boxes. I have a lot of art books downloaded and am tying to start reading them, but most of them don't put anything about box perpective.Would it be cool to draw a neat box with a person inside? Yeah.Would it be cool to draw a million boxes in space? Yeah.I'm not sure what to do.Are these boxes actually helping people?I've come to /ic/ from time to time for years, but I haven't seen boxes mentioned until a couple years ago.
Box autism has done irreparable damage to this board.
>>8060513>to this boardto art in it's entirety
>>8060513>>8060515Not really, its a blessing. It killed off so many potential enemies I could have had.
>>8060519You're in a race where only you're participating.
>>8057825American animators are very very good, japanese and chinese animators are usually better at drawing which can make it look as if they were better at animation, but americans animators have an elite understanding of movement, even the lousy ones.
>>8057190So, what would you actually need to do, in order to learn to draw?
Since the video course general won't come back up I'll ask here. Has the full version of Marshall Vandruff's perspective course on Proko really not been uploaded anywhere yet? I checked the telegram and they only have a portion of it.
The old boomer is at it again, going after dab this timehttps://youtu.be/vNHPXjIECXw?is=X1cvsHxobqxnJCOY
>>8060533why does everyone want it to be handed to them? art is an evolving medium. even he admits that during his time a better artist would come in and rip their drawings to shreds, point out mistakes and improvements that they themselves didn't even notice. he also points out that using egg, bean, and other similar types of forms is where you want to start for shape construction, NOT boxes. he literally tells you what to do and how to do it, and where to get good resources to learn. watch the fucking video
>>8060492the issue is that you feel the "need" to do certain things. yes art has fundamental "rules" based upon common illusion, but, it's all just that, illusion. if you can make it convincing, do you need a massive autism grid? or perfect perspective for each form? your time is limited and drawing is based upon ideas that aren't even really there so to speak, it's three dimensions described in two
>>8060940I genuinely believe anyone who recommends dab is purposely trying to sabotage people. Imagine how many people stopped trying to learn how to draw because they didn't want to do the 250 boxes shit. I'm really glad someone is critizising these courses/teachings, it's really needed. I also really wonder why art courses have become so autistic with the construction and drawing EVERYTHING from memory.
so you didn't learn how to read in school. now for drawing, instead of free pdfs and library books you have to pay $2000 to grifters. sad. I guarantee you noone who 'made it' boughted such a course.
>>8049345Wise post. Took me too long to realize this. Learning perspective helps you make something accurate, but making something accurate and making something *interesting* are very different things. I used to be really frustrated at and kinda hate manga for bending and breaking the characters so much, but now I understand why its done like that
>>8060940Yeah ok, but this is all coming from the perspective of drawing vintage cartoons. The kids want to become concept artists and stuff. They need that stiff and boring look in their digital work.
>>8061030>I also really wonder why art courses have become so autistic with the construction and drawing EVERYTHING from memory.because it's something which is near impossible to teach, and a coveted, impressive, performance based skill. sure you can teach people to draw accurately from reference, or basic forms, or from life, etc, but then you would be out of a student in a few months. with this method, you can make the promise of drawing like that chinaman kim jung ji or whatever and keep people hooked to that dream for ages, siphoning money. he puts it perfectly in the video, "i'm not calling it a cult, but..."
anyone who watched KJG or Rembert will tell you that they never construct or draw boxes. they just start drawing whatever and then bullshit their way through. yeah, it's all in their head, the mind guides the hand and all that.
>>8060507>I'm at a point in my art where I need fundamentals.What are these fundamentals, can you name them?>>8061046>kinda hate manga for bending and breaking the characters so muchWhich is just another animation principle... return to disney...>>8060533What's wrong with landscapes, cityscapes, and figure drawing? Plus some cartoon, maybe even animation, teaching you gesture and how to bring your characters to life.>>8060533> egg, bean, and other similar types of formsThis, all parts of the human body can be accurately represented as an ovoid. Boxes, pyramids, cones, cylinders are more useful for human-made objects and insects i guess.>>8060492>Depends, you should be going the next step which is drawing the organic form over the boxes. At least for me, at worst I visually internalize the box in my head for certain parts of the human body, again mainly to know where my perspective is.How do you create an expressive gesture out of boxes, as basis for your figure drawing? Or are you tacking your boxes onto the gesture?
>>8060186>Let's plug in and make a whole industry dependent of a single productKek yes Anon, do it please, and keep that smug condescending attitude too, you won the world, you're the best of the best, you're with the winners.You fucking mediocre.
>>8049322bro is correct
>>8049110KEK it's impossible to make money from doing art anymore so now the grifters pivoted to selling courses. Their art is trash, their process is trash, and they're terrible at teaching. All you EVER needed were the same time tested books in the /beg/ generals that existed for decades. Word of advice, don't pay for shill courses. You'll be out thousands of dollars and still won't know how to actually draw.
>>8060940another moviehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTHaUbtI91I
>>8060940>old thing good>new thing badNobody cares about your shittily drawn disneyslop. Modern construction and perspective comes from classical western art which is way older and more time tested than what some awful cartoonists drew. The world has moved on, boomoid.
>>8062227classical western art would use basic perspective and place figures overtop. no one does the box mannequin thing, it's a learning exercise. he is correct, just draw it, don't overthink it. draw a box and it's ilk is a cancer and shilled by chinamen and jeets trying to scam permabegs
>>8062493And yet every artist anyone actually cares about or does professional work uses modern perspective and construction/mannequinization, including Hampton, Bridgman, etc. That includes anime. To address the actual subject of the video, though, what drawabox teaches is line control for pre/beg/s who can't even draw a straight line and an approachable distillation of Peter Han's drawing process. You don't have to like it and can easily move on to Hampton or some other figure drawing/anime book (which all teach construction) afterwards. The people complaining about it are literal autists/low iq slaves who have to ask for permission to think and be told what to think instead of taking what they learned and applying it to their own drawings. You and this delusional boomer are coping.
>>8062617those are learning tools, and you can find pdfs of bridgeman books for free. a 2000$ course to teach essentially the beginning of a lesson over and over is a ripoff. cope all you want but he's right, as a beg you should focus on simple circular forms in gesture and move from there. putting everything in autistic box perspective is not what pros do, it's retarded and you drank the koolaid. >the people complaining about it draw a box literally teaches you this rote slave mentality of following rules, doing countless training exercises, and spamming figures. no it's not 50/50, just fucking draw. you agree with what the boomer says, actually watch the video and listen
>>8062091Absolute dogshit.
>>8062637Gesture IS already part of figure drawing, you absolute moron, you apply construction to it. You break down the primitive shapes and forms of objects (not just figures), construct them in perspective (intuitively or technically it doesn't matter), and draw the details on top, and over time you won't need the boxes, that is the point, it's that simple, that's what the pros actually did. Literal retards can't see it though. lol do let us know how far your terrible disneyslop "art" gets you, then.
>>8062647where did i say it wasnt? in brokendraws course he just straight up doesn't teach gesture with retarded cube mannequins, he uses round forms and only teaches gesture well after teaching box construction. the boomer is correct and again, you agree with him, you "absolute moron." i have done those box exercises, all the perspective stuff, etc etc, and realized that a lot of artists are just making it up as they go. real eyes realize real lies. none of what the boomer says in response to brokendraws course is incorrect, the course is a scam and complete dogshit filled with meaningless time wasting "lessons." you are just a complete know it all who has his head so far up his own ass you can't comprehend that maybe a disney animator has something important to say
>>8062227>>8062617How many more boxes do I have to draw before I can draw what I want.https://youtu.be/TbY-_Qi7L3g
>>8062675Why did you do that to yourself please just draw what you want
>>8062688Nta, but doesn't the /ic/ sticky, the one everyone points to, have drawabox?
>>8062700Doesn't drawabox tell its users to draw what they want for the same amount of time they do the mind numbing boxes? do drawabox if you want but don't just do drawabox actually draw
>>8062688What if this is fun to them? Who are you to judge?>>8062675You can do it, anon-san!100 boxes, 100 cylinders, 10 treasure chests, every single day! You are on your road to become a real artist, ganbare!>>8062643>not animeAbsolute garbage, /ic/ is disgusted>>8060021Likely there exists a model sheet for her, which the animator has already internalized. So not much construction necessary.>>8059711Yes it is, but it is looked down upon. The mainstream western art world does not draw attractive women being lewd, women can only be drawn lewd if they are unattractive. Anyways, i came upon a couple of H artists on pixiv where you can clearly see that putting in too much construction and perspective makes for very dull goonable content.
>>8062719if it was fun for them and what they wanted to draw they wouldn't have asked how many more boxes they have to do before they can draw what they want
>>8062675Funschizo, if you would spend more time doing those gesture sketches and copying from Loomis books and learning some anatomy and constructing from reference you would actually start improving. Stop doing those retarded exercises, they are not doing anything for you anymore.
>>8062688How do I do this? I can't do it, no matter how many times I try.>>80627926–12 hours of gesture drawing, copied all of Loomis's heads.>constructing from referenceIs this it?
kjg's art and its consequences have been a disaster for online art education
>>8062948Yes, now grind literally hundreds of heads and skulls and portraits for months to a years. And start drawing from different angles and get some better construction. If you want to draw anime then go and watch Hide's videos on head construction or get his head course from the video general in the archive, if the link is still up. Draw from different angles, not just flat front facing, so you actually learn something about the form of the head. Draw some real skulls and portraits too and don't just draw a face without a fucking head. It's fine to practice the facial features separately on occasion, but not like this. Also don't draw the entire outline of the form or if you do, then go over it again on another layer. Also get a different brush, anything with texture like a pencil brush will help mask bad line work a bit.
>>8062953the part that weirds me out with the obsession of KJG is that no one actually talks about the things they like about his pieces... composition, character design, themes, acting, etcit's always just "he draw from imagination good" and proceed to mindlessly try to mimic down and plop down figures with animal heads walking or some sausage looking human figurebut it's okay they did it from imagination they didn't need to do any roughs or underdrawing
>>8063089wow that's some of the worst advice i've ever read. you should grind up a bunch of pills, literally hundreds, and shove them down your fat mouth. overdose you fucking retard
>>8057190i NEED esmeralda in my life>>8063096same with Peter Han.There is no clear focus on anything in their art, it makes me feel like playing find Waldo when trying to parse their drawings mentally.
>>8063100You can seethe all you want crab. It's the most basic advice, you retards just want to keep him stuck grinding these form exercises for the rest of his life so you have someone to laugh at. If he draws skulls, portraits and anime heads for a few months he will be a thousand times better.
>>8063111>>8063096kim is paid to literally just draw anythinghan is paid for concepting stuff like in rts gamestheir art doesn't need focus, niggers
>>8063150okay? and they're still both unappealing
>>8063096always makes me kind of sad to look at this guyhttps://www.youtube.com/@canilearntodraw2579
>>8063178>get paid professionally with millions of viewers>its totally unappealing trust me brolol. nodraw retard
>>8057190Thanks for posting this. I really needed that video. I waste far too much time worrying about construction and studies instead of just drawing.
>>8061030dab fucked me from properly learning to draw for a decade until i just threw it away and started learning with loomis and keys to drawing.at least im decent at freehand perspective tho
>>8063096It's because these 'people' are just golems who view art like a party trick akin to juggling, there's no artistry beside performace. An unemployed Filipino drawing Uma Musumes for 6 months will outpace them.
>>8062948Anon, what do you want to draw exactly? And what does it look like when you try to draw it now?
I genuinely think ai caused an influx of people trying to hustle with art courses since making money just off of art is harder now. kjg dying also cause this influx of people trying to sell courses on how to draw like him, notice how all of these people trying to sell their scammy courses only started to do this after he died...>>8063218I actually have watched some of his videos, he's made good progress, but he seems stuck on the whole drawing 1000 mannequins in perspective kjg style junk. He's gotten to a level where hes good enough to start drawing what he likes but he seems like he doesn't really have his own interest or hes scared to draw anything other than boxy people (comfort zone). >>8063227The appeal is how skilled they are, not the art itself. Notice how you don't really see anyone discuss their art, just how good they are. Maybe thats a lesson that appeal/interest leaves a longer lasting impression than pure skill.
>>8063317>what do you want to draw exactly?Characters>And what does it look like when you try to draw it now?Most of the time, I don’t even know how to begin, or else I give up after just a few lines.
>>8063334You mean other characters or your own? Also how much figure drawing do you do?
>>8063341Both others and my own. I’ve drawn thousands of boxes and cylinders.
>>8063344You should stop with the boxes and practice figure drawing and anatomy. Just boxes and cylinders aren't going to get you where you want. Something that really helps me as far as character design goes is building up a reference folder of images you like i.e. clothes/characters/people you like the look of that you can use to help you draw something or give you ideas. But it sounds like you want to draw people and my recommendation is it's time you take a more direct route.
>>8062719>i came upon a couple of H artists on pixiv where you can clearly see that putting in too much construction and perspective makes for very dull goonable contentCan you give their names or liks if you still remember? I just recently snapped out of this construction obsession so it would be interesting to see where this could lead to if you overdo it.
>>8063327>I genuinely think ai caused an influx of people trying to hustle with art courses since making money just off of art is harder now.That's exactly what it is and it will only get worse. You can't even pivot to tech because AI trivialized that too, so the only thing they can do is grift.
the cruel irony of life is if you need to hunt for courses and the righting starting point, its over. successful people dont just go from bad to good at anything, they always start good. This doesn't mean give up, but focus on mileage rather than studies.
>>8063218Why? He's clearly in his zone of having a consistent small fan base of his nothing drawings who will validate him for working towards nothing and having nothing for an ultimate goal. To grow as an artist will jeopardize his little safe space.
>>8063512It's been that way since the Obama website meltdown of late 2013. Smart people saw this opportunity in the rise of online education and got on early (myself included). It wasn't until 2016ish when all the conceptart fags saw the writing on the wall and launched their own schools in droves (marc brunet, robotpencil, proko, all the people who you see today opening independent academies). And then covid just blasted the door open. AI had nothing to do with it--it's a consequence of people who couldn't keep their mouth shut back then about how much money they were making from teaching online and started selling the shovels.This is why you see he recurring meme of "he's just trying to sell you a course he isn't genuine" criticism online.
speaking of krenz what are the most valuable lessons in his kindergarten course? i am not watching all 22 lectures of this putrid chink language it's unbearable. I remember someone saying it's 3,8,12,17
>>8057190Damn I'm glad you posted this anon. I'm new to drawing and I was going insane feeling like I had to do all the drawabox shit.
Holy shit we need to stop recommending Draw a Box. Look at these people who suffered from it.>>8063722 >>8062675 >>8063252What can we replace things like dab with? I also think we should lean away from these very rigid perspective type teachings, its not good for organic drawing (like people, or anime girls for you weebs) and a basic understanding of perspective will get you far, so no need for these super in depth lessons (right now, as a beginner).Also if you are a beginner just draw what YOU like, it keeps you motivated and its FUN. Or suffer and draw boxes for 4 years straight
>>8049110>>8057190Always love it when a Boomer loves to shit on a zoomer and ruin their income.
Just because a bunch of grifters copy what someone else teaches to make a living, doesn't mean that the knowledge they're copying isn't useful in the appropiate context.Those who shit on construction are gatekeepers who never provide anything of value to others.
>>8060005They're called anime, you tourist
>>8063722Fuck DAB...If you wish, you can do a fast reading and do what you want for just a few minutes, but absolutely avoid the 100 boxes in the void, especially because it's useless without a reference to check if they are actually correct.Instead of the 100 boxes in the void, I would trace from a photo of a building its box, then, based on that box, understanding the vanishing points and horizon line, and then you would start from that.No, I am not saying to do 100 times, I am just saying that this gives a reference for checking if your box is correct with the same camera lens.Extracting the perspective it's also a method you can use to add new objects in a scenary.
>>8063794>Boomer ruins zoomers income by pointing out how his teachings keep you discouraged and in a loop so you'll buy shitty courses (that'll also keep you in a loop).The boomer is fucking based for calling out this shit. As this threads gone on I've really come to dislike brokendraw and really anyone who sells courses like this. A 2k course for basics you can learn with some google searches and a few youtube videos. Such a scam.>>8063889Yes learning and using construction is important, even the boomer in the video posted up thread doesn't disagree, but the fact so many people are shilling courses with this retarded "build a box from every angle 1000 times and then do the same with a cylinder" shit is horrible. These "teachers" are stunting beginners so they'll keep on buying their courses, and keep on watching their videos. Keeping people beginners makes more money, cause an intermediate person will leave and draw what he wants, while the beginner will keep on grinding cubes and mannequins and buy new courses.
>>8063794lmao the zoomer here is a literal grifter in every sense of the wordare you jewish?
>it's another episode of coloso dump being only 3d blender and webtoons garbage
>>8057190I understood this guy more than any other "art tutorial" I have ever watched wtf.
>>8060533Actually draw
>you can't make expressive characters with boxes
>>8057190For any other curious anons this guy's courses are on rutracker if you want to download them.
New video from the boomer.https://youtu.be/snAUS4Jmwag?si=uyx5cc3NPAPsc9LpHis videos have rattled a bunch of people, I'm seeing people who've been drawing boxes for years suddenly stop lmfao.
>>8065818this is just a condensed version of >>8057190still good though
>>8057190kek
>>8060533just fucking drawhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU
looking through the archives and spiritually calling out to the anon who bought nyumu's coloso course, are you considering handing it over to CB?
>>8057190based movie
>>8057190If anything, this video just highlights how all of these web-gurus are just regurgitating each other's half-understood ideas and coming up with cope to do 400 boxes.It's not coming from some real world experience and in the end some teenager that spent literal years doing mindless exercises is trying to teach you some hairbrained course for thousands of dollars
>>8062643>1 hour for this
>>8065993I'm here.1. Who is the admin with the dog avatar? Is it the admin with the avatar of the shiba inu with the blue background?2. Do they do JP courses because I only buy from coloso.jp and I heard the encryption is much stronger there3. Did the anon who had them use their account to rip the course get banned later?
>>8062643>>8066309pyw
>>8066330I saw people mention it to you but honestly I have no idea, guess it couldn't hurt to ask, sorry.
>>8063344Just looked at your channel and i wanna screamhttps://www.youtube.com/@praisethesun6453/streams200 hours plus wasted on this garbage. You continued drinking the snake oil long after the merchant told you to stop. You have become artistically retarded.A year ago you seemed to have fun copying manga panels, what happened to that. With what you are doing, you are not engaging your skill set in any meaningful manner. It's a self-comforting thing you just do like stimming or masturbation.Do not do a single set of drawabox exercises anymore. If you do, I urge you to stop drawing, you are not made out for this. That sounds harsh, but it's something you should seriously consider instead of continuing like this - stopping a hobby that stresses you out is nothing to be ashamed of.If you want to draw your own characters, you should have started yesteryear. Stop copying and come up with your own stuff (references are okay, as long as they are not plainly copied). Even if you draw like crystals1986 (in fact, can you even draw like crystals1986 on your own?), you need a basis that you can develop first. Forget about complicated constructions that aren't your own (that includes loomis head and anime heads, which are deceptively difficult). Come up with your own stuff - nobody is going to teach you how to be creative, no course will magically unlock it, only you committing to create your own stuff will do that.Don't immediately go into figure drawing or anatomy either, like >>8063382 recommends. Those are just another trap to pour years into and never get any closer. Figure drawing is fine for you if you find a teacher who works conceptually (like many teachers with animation background tend to do), but if you work by measurement you will end up flailing like in >>8050604 (been there, done that - classic atelier style drawing is as much a trap as drawabox, just marginally more useful).Your box drawing skills may come back later but you need to switch course.
In other news, the tide seems to be mildly turning! Or at least some niggas found it worthwhile to ride the coattails of animation boomerMoriArt - There Is No Magic Trick: How I Got Fooled Trying to Draw Like Kim Jung Gihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Bwon8JIFkxyphid - Once You Understand This, You’ll Stop Drawing Boxeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b0V4wgtAiY>>8064874Thanks for the hint, i actually signed up to the travesty that is LinkedIn to get a look at his courses. It seems like entry-level animation stuff you would tackle after working through the Preston Blair book.
Holy fuck, i just got this email, kill yourself LinkedIn.Do NOT sign up to linkedin. Definitely pirate the stuff from rutracker if you wanna look at it.>>8063787I fear there is nothing to replace it with, as the premise is probably flawed. Besides absolute beginner stuff on the level of Mark Kistler's "learn to draw in 30 days", there is nothing generic that can actually teach you to become good at drawing. You really have to figure out what you want, continuously reevaluate what you've got, and work on that.
>>8053480if they were real KJG fans they'd draw skinny tattooed women shooting up heroin while getting fucked in the ass and having their intestines torn out by a wolf
>>8066262The box challenge is literally because the DaB guy couldn't be bothered to help someone with their boxes and just told them to do an ass-load of boxes. He admitted it in his old intro video for the challenge, but it looks like he's updated that video and now jumps through hoops trying to explain how this is an integral part of the process and not really grinding. You just need someone to go over your boxes and point out your mistakes and you can figure out boxes in a week of focused study. The whole challenge is an admission that online learning fails beginners. The time when a student needs a mentor the most is when they're left to figure things out in their own.
>>8063382 (Me)>>8066376>Don't immediately go into figure drawing or anatomy either, like >>8063382 (You) recommends. Those are just another trap to pour years into and never get any closer. Figure drawing is fine for you if you find a teacher who works conceptually (like many teachers with animation background tend to do), but if you work by measurement you will end up flailing Honestly I hadn't even considered it but yeah I think you're giving better advice here. I still think learning gesture, CSI curves, and the general rhythm/shapes of the body can have value without being a total time sink. Most important at any rate is that guy drops the endless repetition.
>>8066376>A year ago you seemed to have fun copying manga panels, what happened to that.I didn't understand how to do this before, and now I understand it even less.>It's a self-comforting thing you just do like stimming or masturbation.That’s true. When I’m not drawing, I feel bad because I sense that I’m wasting my time. If I try to draw what I want, I feel even worse, because I’m unable to do it.>stop drawingSooner or later, I’ll come back to it anyway. It’s a waste of time.>come up with your own stuff I can’t, I don’t know how. Every time I try, I want to kill myself.>hints of soul in a sea of misery"Fun" №168
>>8066330Seconding the questions here.I bought a newly released course on coloso.jp since I know Japanese + it's cheaper and I'm curious about what the process is like to rip videos. I couldn't find any public information on how to do it.
>>8067041Just curious, how do you feel when you draw something and it turns out bad or not how you wanted?
>>8067041I think what you need is a mentor who is willing to talk and go through things with you. I have art friends who were in the same place as you are and I managed to get them out of it.
>>8067041Brah, what are you drawing in your free time?Are you drawing references? I saw the youtube channel, gonna tell you now to stop making boxes. If you wanna learn perspective, learn perspective.Are you drawing human bones? Drawing muscles on top of those bones? Looking at pictures of bodies moving in different ways and trying to draw muscles over those gestures to get an understanding of how they stretch with different poses/bodies?What are you doing?How many sketchbooks have you completed from just drawing pictures? How often do you draw? This is the honest best advice I can give you right now:Who cares?I'm serious. Who cares? Only you see your art - only you. There's hundreds of how to art books available. Read them, copy them, apply them.Take a figure drawing class, draw the stuff in your room, go out in public with a sketchbook, draw 24/7 if it makes you feel better.Get that mileage.All art is is mileage and understanding. And you get understanding with mileage. I dunno if this will help you, but I absolutely love art. I love drawing. Am I amazing? Hell no, but I'm not gonna stop because I know what I want out of this.
>>8049110I see more courses popping up every day, they're cashing in as fast as they can before everyone realizes there will be no more money in art ever again
