Submit an art teacher then let /ic/ scale their power level.We scale new and old teachers here.We scale them based on how well they can teach. That's it.(Also not my actual tierlist btw)
>spend time making useless image macros instead of drawing, goy
>>8047265Took me like under a minute to make this image. It's not that big of a time loss.
Hot take:Uldis Zarins is better than Bridgman.Now before you're going to yell at me because of my so-called shallow judgement on bridgman's anatomy because they're designed that way to make you remember them more easily.Well, anatomy for sculptors does the exact same fucking thing but less schizophrenic and more clearly. And it also has references from real life. And the text is less schizophrenic than bridgman. This Anatomy for Sculptors book is what bridgman tried to be.
>the nodraws have created their own /plg/
>>8047306I wouldn't exactly call it a no draw version. I mean it's actually kind of necessary. Because it's useful to help you filter out some bad teachers and call out on their shit before you even get into their content. After all you wouldn't want to learn from a teacher who makes garbage like this.
>drawabox on 4Nice bait. All courses are scams and not a single person on this board has gone through Krenz.
>>8047317Are you fucking retarded. That's not even my actual tierlist as I said before btw. It's something I made for promoting my general thread.
>>8047258>Drawbox ahead of LoomisComedy thread? Or jeet thread?
drawbox triggered bickering thread
>>8047284Anatomy for Sculptors is a very useful book. It is definitely clearer than Bridgman, although credit must be given to Bridgman for developing and/or elucidating many of the concepts that form the basis of later books including Anatomy for Sculptors.That said, I would put Bridgman *as a draftsman* up against any current-day art teacher. His figure drawings, although rough, are beautiful in a way that is similar to the sketches of Michelangelo and William Rimmer. They have weight, movement and life to them. I don't think Uldis Zarins is principally a draftsman anyway.
>>8047284you don't read bridgman for the anatomy, retard, you read him for actually drawing the figure, the anatomy is incidental to that effort
where's hide 4?where's oridays?
>>8047319>it's not mine!!>it's something I made thowut
>>8047455These are not my actual opinions that's what I meant. This tierlist is just for the image that I made for advertising my thread here.
Love a good rage thread:Walt StanchfieldAaron BlaiseRichard Williams
>>8047322I dont put drawabox ahead of loomis personally. The tierlist is not my actual opinion. It's something I made for promoting this thread
>>8047322What part of drawabox is incorrect?
>>8047514What videos or books that they have made?
>>8047537are you new?
>>8047543Kind of. Just joined ic last year
>BridgmanNot good as a teacher.>Ernest NorlingBad teacher. We need to stop recommending Perspective made easy, use a modern book on perspective, PME is retarded and confuses begs!>Kim Jung GiNot good as a teacher.>ModerndayjamesHORRIBLE as a teacher. You'll learn nothing, and he makes mistakes in his teaching material, some of the stuff he teaches he has a low skill level in or doesnt even understand at all.>DABslightly ok as a teacher, but you can learn what he teaches else where, hes not anything special. >Prokook at teaching anatomy, but he fails everywhere else.>LoomisProbably controversial, but I don't think hes good at teaching, and I think people should stop recommending his books. Just learn the loomis head and stay away. I actually wonder if the people who recommend him are trying to sabotage begs. I actually seriously think as a community we should create new recommendations because I feel like some resources at this point are outdated.>>8047514>Aaron BlaiseNot great as a teacher.>Richard WilliamsGreat as a teacher, makes things easy to understand, he's also pretty funny when teaching which is a plus.>>8047316Whats the name of this nigga? Someone should share his shitty book again, I remember we had a good laugh about it.
creative illustration is a great bookany digitard hack should be disqualified by default
>>8047625Cade sok. Channels owned: Disciplined Drawing and Kedokat
>>8047625Forgot to include pic
>>8047625Another one
>>8047625I agree with a lot of these.> Moderndayjamesactually did his overpriced mentorship for a bit he had some good exercises for drawing from imagination but he's bad at teaching animation.> Bridgman / LoomisStrongly disagree, I think if you copy their drawings you'll learn a lot. The words are either nonsensical (bridgeman, actually written by his students but whatever) or mostly self-help (loomis)> BlaiseI think he has good tips and the exercises he picks (especially for animation) are good. Feel like he'd be great in a 1:1 critique setting. He really doesn't teach you how to draw anything so horrible for begs.
>>8047633>creative illustration is a great bookit's fucking gold, i get so excited every time i go through that book, eye of the painter is also good
>>8047678>he's bad at teaching animation.Yeah he really is, it really pisses me off hes going to stunt a bunch of peoples animation skills with his courses. A lot of people who make courses are just predatory scumbags. In regards to Bridgman, yes I do agree you'll improve if you copy the drawings, I went through his book on hands and the improvement was fucking crazy, I started studying drawing from life but dropped it due to getting busy, but with what little I did, it improved my art like crazy. But it's mostly up to you to draw, because the information offered is basically useless. It's like going to an art class and the teacher doesn't teach you anything, he just makes you draw (which you'll learn from, but having knowledge on the subject helps) Also I just am not really a fan of loomis' figures, I think they look a bit weak, and I think the information he gives isn't really helpful most of the time. >>8047653Jesus christ he really had some balls to sell this for $10.
>>8047705Why do you think so?
>>8047625Loomis is the Rippetoe of this board, Fun with a Pencil and Starting Strength have similar issues (other than one sending people to the hospital) but they give beginners a good on-ramp and can add more later on do something else once they had their fill.
>>8047625>bridgememeAgreed>ENDisagree on the basis that no one agrees on what to replace it with, I do agree that there's better perspective teachers but no one wants to spent 110 hours course with Erik Olsen >KJGHe had one video that went in depth on head drawings that was phenomenal, he's kind of mediocre in everything else in a teaching sense>MDJAgreed, I do not understand why he has a teaching course for anything other than animations>DABActually good lessons for line control and an introduction to drawing basic shapes, something begs do need drilled in their heads but for some reason became the defacto "I will never draw anything other than a fucking box/ovals/and lines">ProkoNever watched his videos. His review on Bridgememe was spot on>LoomisUnironically a good teacher but a product of his time. Free, public domain and is available in literally every library on the planet Loomis is just a bare minimum standard of what you should seek in an art book, not the absolute best.Art teachers that are actually the best:VilppuKrenzeHide (aside from his abysmally shit illustration drawings, his high beg tier construction and figure drawings are very easy to follow)Morpho (aside from the ugly face and head drawings, some of the best body figure drawing available, is extremely easy to follow)TomFoxDrawsManga Materials (for resource of body angles)
How do people rate Tenten?
>>8047818Where burne hogarth?
all you need for a solid foundation in all areas
>>8047984>Brent EvistonNGMI
>>8047881Who the fuck is tenten?
>>8047984> chinese book instead of japanese bookNGMI
>>8047984You will NEVER catch me learning How to Draw Instruction Manuals by Scott Robertson
>>8047653>>8047658
>>8048285Lol, even drawabox or 4chan begs draw better than him
Book link for ppl that want to read his bookhttps://www.mediafire.com/file/jh0dd4ii20v4ks9/Disciplined+Drawing+I+To+Draw+Without+Guidelines+CS.pdf/file
>>8048684Forgot about pic here
buy an ad
Thoughts on brokendraw? His 25 exercises book is pretty condensed and good rather than drawacocks bloated nonsense.
Dude where's hide, tenten, oridays?
>>8049553His info is good, but only because it's 100% repackaged content from established artists and teachers. His art is fine but boring and incredibly sterile because he's one of the "I'm gonna be Kim Jung Gi" zoomers that copies this simulacrum of him with none of the soul or horniness. Just endless drawing of tigers eating ramen or people running from dogs.
Krenz or hide?
>>8049553drawabox but worse
>>8049817Hey, at least it doesn't spam a lot of meme challenges. Heck I got to lesson 2 material faster because there was no bs challenge
> it doesn't spam a lot of meme challenges. Heck I got to lesson 2 material faster I cant comprehend this mentality. not having it and not doing it is the same thing. is this some kind of disorder
>>8048071We know, beg
>>8049829you know you can just ignore the blocks of text and just do the exercises?
>>8049648>His info is good, but only because it's 100% repackaged content from established artists and teachers.Thats the problem with people who sell courses and such, they just regurgitate information someone else made, and thy usually charge way more for for it.>none of the soulI dunno man I wouldn't really call kjg soulful either.>Just endless drawing of tigers eating ramen or people running from dogs.Spot on. I feel like kjg copycats just draw what they think will impress people or they feel too embarrassed to draw what they really like or they just never refined their own tastes/interests, which kind of leads to these "nothing" drawings. I'd honestly love to see some deviantart tier autist who makes complex kjg type drawings of some obscure bad cartoon but that'll never happen unfortunately.
Am I qualified to be an art teacher?https://www.mediafire.com/file/n1l8ol8ysteoh2z/The+World+of+Drawing.pdf/file
>>8047818what did proko say about bridgman?
>>8050031No one is clicking on that
>>8050035He said that studying the book isn't intuitive nor beginner friendly and you shouldn't just "copy" the images but instead replicate the forms, not the lines.He's absolutely right.
What does ic think of burne hogarth?
>>8050532
>>8047881Out of tenten?
Where do you guys scale hogarth?
>>8050532his hands are some of the best the rest is ok but it's little too stylized for me there are better options
>>8047258>Loomis memeI've been out of this god-forsaken board since 2023 and y'all idiots still post ragebait memes. Loomis is a fucking hack, and his method is retarded. Anyone knows if you want to learn to draw humans all you need to get started is this:>BARE FUNDAMENTALS Brent Eviston's "Art and Science of Drawing">FIGURE Steve Huston and a little bit of Glenn Vilppu to get an idea of gesture but don't lean in too much. >FACESteve Huston once again. The fucking GOAT. >RENDERING Anything from Marco Bucci will be good for you.picrelated is the shit I was doing in like the second year of drawing. If you follow these teachers you'll be alright. You don't need to learn the bones, muscles or whatever autistic shit is peddled here nowadays.
>>8052369What are steve huston's best books?
>>8052369>marco bussy for renderingnigga>You don't need to learn the bones, muscles or whatever autistic shit is peddled here nowadays.ok now you are just trolling
>>8052400As long as you want to draw decent shit and not pornography (which will become obsolete in 2 years because of AI gen videos), then yes. It is very much enough. Learning a responsible way to sketch and construct is more important than autistically knowing every bone and crevice of the body. Source: I studied it all with Scott Eaton and it was a meme. What I want to say is: being able to draw basic 3D forms in space, then cylinders and forms, combined with a basic sense of gestural drawing is enough. THAT, if your usecase is to draw from imagination, or do illustrations, or sketch. If your usecase is to copy shit like a braindead retard like Proko, then you don't need any of it just grind the xerox mindset. >>8052384Never read his books, I'm way too ADHD for that shit. I just watched "Constructive Figure Drawing" or something like that. Most of his courses are very good. From Glenn I'd only recommend his life action gesture showcases because you can sort of intuit his shoulder movements and dynamic flow-like drawing style. That old boomer isn't too good at teaching shit, he's more of a "draw your own owl" kinda guy
>>8052400What's so bad about Marco bussy
>>8052369In two years, that's amazing anon. I still feel Loomis is a good starter, it gets people to draw with form, have basic head proportions, doodle some basic cartoons.
>>8047258In your opinion, who would be the best to actually learn to draw from imagination?My problem is that after I see how to do some figure drawing, whenever I try without reference it all falls apart.>>8052493I didn't know Steve Huston had a course.
>>8052894>whenever I try without reference it all falls apart.you should accept it to some extend
>>8052899To what extend? I am completely unable. I'd like to improve, somehow.
>>8047625Loomis is required reading even if his books alone will not teach you how to draw.
>>8050532good illustrations to copy. He's one of the best at that front lighting
Where do you guys scale Betty Edwards from DRSB (Drawing from the Right side of the Brain) and Bert Dodson (Keys to Drawing)
>>8053569Krenz mogs these faggots brutally. Even brent eviston or drawabox is enough to mog them.
>>8054033pyw, idk how anyone can actually watch through those badly translated lectures.
>>8054043
>>8054045bullshit >>8047333 that's not yours.
>>8054043Nekojira is one of krenz students.
>>8054048dumbass
i like rembert montald
>>8054122Who is that?
>>8054161https://www.rembertmontald.com/i just really enjoy his process, especially with what he can do with just a ballpoint pen
>>8054048retard
Any thoughts on Pikat?
I don't know how to link to other 4chan threads so i have to repost a drawing hereFirst drawing is from august 24th, second drawing was yesterday (october 7th) I was learning from Nekojira until I switched off to tenten. Both teachers have helped me massively, and I haven't even gotten anywhere near to completely their courses. These teachers are definitely top tier. That proko video on the tapering stroke helped too.
>>8057629Where did you get the tenten course if you don't mind sharing? All links I found were broken
>>8057648it's on video courses general. Something something certain app, I can DM you more info on discord or twitter.
>>8057648Anyone thoughts on tenten?
>>8047984Thanks, bro
>>8057579bumping this question
What do we think of Scott Eaton's detailed anatomy video course?
>>8057579Sloptuber. You're not going to get that much from pikat. You're just basically going to get some breadcrumbs. Why not go straight for the better options.
>>8057579her rendering is subpar, but if your goal is to draw characters there is some worthwhile content for beginners.
>>8065613and what are the better options?
>>8057579Terrible character designer.
>>8052369>Loomis is a fucking hack, and his method is retarded.yeah it's so strange to me ever since i started coming here how anons seem to be obsessed with this 50s book for drawing horrid monopoly people fucking lmao
>>8064304One of my favourite courses
Does anyone good whatsoever actually do the box thing
>>8052493Kek. I can tell you know things and want to discourage pornography. Have you read scientific research from YBOP? Or maybe i'm are you just financially motivated?
>>8060594With the rise of Dermot, it's going to be hard to sell it because he is a bit of a boxfag himself. But his demonstrations and words encourage you constantly to move on from the box thing. They are merely an aid to tenten. Tenten is great imo. Very helpful, some of the stuff is kind of confusing (week 3, heads) , but a lot of it has helped me. Most importantly, the drawings are simply cool, and go figure because Tenten was inspired from bridgman, and he has cool drawings, you should learn from people who have drawings you find cool. sorry for the super late reply. If you take his course, and you fervently try to just stick to it and move on when you're done with the homework, AND also don't worry about "not getting it at first" and try not to "review"/rewatch previous weeks either unless you're nearing the end. It can help you a lot.
