How the fuck did people ever idolize war?
>>18765704Same way you can idolize a tragedy, sacrifice or suffering.
Killing your enemies is based. I wish more people did it
>>18765714You dont mind if i kill you?
>>18765714This is how you'll end up seconds after getting into a war
>get payed>get pensions and other benefits>doesn't require any formal education or job experience>you have an opportunity to see foreign lands and meet people>you have easy credentials to find work once you're back to civilian lifeDon't get me wrong, I'd never enlist and I have no strong opinions on any current conflict at the moment, but I can see why it would be enticing to some people, especially if you're a lonely, uneducated NEET, which has always historically been the average soldiers background anyways
War is badass and cool
>>18765730>>18765737So all you have are emotional appeals? Worthless feelings dont give a fuck when the negro rapes your wife and the Hun burns down your cities and pillages your granaries.
>>18765704Fictional wars in videogames and movies are cool because explosions and guns are simply cool and no real people have to die, but that's where they get you
Even if you set aside short term emotional gains like killing an enemy or the thrill of battle, warfare was historically one of the very few societal avenues that brought about colossal gains for individuals: wealth from loot, societal advancement for being successful in war no matter your birth, military glory increasing ones' social standing, and the ability to be politically taken very seriously in a lot of very undemocratic cultures since an armed man is very hard to ignore.It had tremendous rewards for the "small" people, and thus was seen as a heroic venture that brought much gain.Modern war is big gay because of this: all of the violence and little in the way of rewards.
>>18765742Say that once you get shred to pieces by a drone carrying a dildo while you're jerking off
>>18765704You get to rape and pillage. For your average peasant it's a great way to climb up social ranks if he's smart and lucky, while the average retard just wants to rape.
>>18765704life is struggle, and only in the face of death does a man, and through him a people, become real rather than a dream of comfort
>>18765704It's a side effect of seperating war (and its consequences) and daily life. A dysfunctional urge to see others getting maimed by your own hands but you are prevented by established morales to do so, so you turned to fiction to express that bloodthirst desire. Back then, you don't "idolize" war while sitting on your comfort chair, you just go to war.
>>18765738>you have easy credentials to find work once you're back to civilian lifeThis is just incorrect.Veterans have long been terrible at reintegrating into modern post-agricultural economies because they have no skills.Unless you specialized in a technical role, most soldiers know basically nothing about anything outside the military.
>>18766001You gain skills in the military anon. A lot of vets end up getting jobs as auto mechanics and such
>>18766008That is if you actually work on vehicles. Most soldiers aren't touching many wrenches.And it isn't like getting auto mechanic training is some high level rare skill, and not something that takes a few months at a technical school.
>>18765738You could just have all this with like a public works program/civilian job corps and actually make something useful with it instead of an overpriced ZOG imperial death machine for private defense contractors to grift off of, but Americans would call it gommunism
>>18766001That's because the peacetime military is essentially a jobs program for the retarded and unemployable, like the TSA.
in pre-industrial times war was necessary to acquire resources with the lack of modern means like trade pacts. people also had many children and wars would thin the surplus young male population.
>>18766001veteran unemployment rate in the U.S. is 3.6%, compared to 4.0% for non-veterans.The US has a lot of programs to get veterans to transition to civilians, they'll train you on civilian jobs if you opt to leave and will force you to apply for jobs. You get free education, extremely favorable housing loans, discounts for life at a ton of retailers, preferential hiring at government jobs, etc etc.I know it's not the same in most countries, but military work is the #1 avenue to rapidly move from poverty to the upper middle class within a generation within the US. Look at the current US Vice President, he was from poverty being raised by grandparents in Ohio, used the military to go to college, and ended up going to Yale Law and making connections which got him to be VP.Again, I know most countries don't provide so much to veterans as the US, but the perception of US vets being a bunch of jobless, homeless bums is both antiquated and due to a lot of people just faking it for brownie points, and then also the real ones are often the actual people who are from poverty because they're a shitter and they burned so many bridges and are so incompetent the pipeline couldn't save them.
>>18765704War in pre-modern times was a lot more skilled based. That is if you were a good fighter and had good gear, you weren't very likely to die in battle. Winning gave you loot you got to keep and was one of the few ways you could rise in rank in those times. Even if you lost you were usually ransomed if you were of higher status, not killed. Modern war is the complete opposite from this and you always have to be on alert. I'm not saying pre-modern war was great, it was still awful and many people still suffered from disease, violence, and subjugation, but I hope it answers your question as to how people started to idolize war.
>>18765704Watch the videos of soldiers taking the trains to go to the frontline in WWI. They were so happy. Why? Because they only knew what was war through epic stories, there was no television or photos of it, the last big war was long ago (I guess the napoleonic wars), etc. And after that war, indoctrination was also a way to make people wanting to go to war like during WWII that people believed they were saving their country.Nowadays most people are in the army because it's a good job for people that don't have studies or don't have anything else going on in their lives.
>>18765704war is the true nature of manman is happiest when killing other man and ruling over slaves
>>18765704Before modernity, it was quite straightforward. Fighting in a war was either the most lucrative social ladder, or a pledge you gave for the right to be a full-fledged citizen. Not in a devalued sense of the word, like with any other term of today, but an actual member of society with rights and responsibilities, as opposed to slaves, or travelers, or mere residents. The number of citizens was limited enough that each house could carry weight in the political matters.This changed after the French Revolution, with the advent of mass mobilization. Every single troglodyte was promised the rights of a citizen in exchange for responsibilities of a citizen (serving in the army being one of the main things). Obviously, this diluted the value of each man, rendering the rights unimportant compared to the demanded responsibilities.The industrialization was another angle.Valuable machinery needed humans to operate it, but the unwashed rabble couldn't be trusted with it.Schools solved both problems. Schools gave the entire population enough knowledge, so that later in their lives everyone could at least not break shit down, and carry a machine gun if so demanded without asking too many questions.Professional militaries of the past couldn't compete with that.Modern professional militaries initially emerged as a release valve for the population asking a bit too many questions. This strategy remained a success for some decades, creating a public image of invincibility and prestige around modern warfare. But, when faced with an actual threat, all of this immediately became subject to reversal.Another point to remember is that previous generations had a bigger sense of belonging to the larger system. We live in a time where nothing outside of your experience really matters.
>>18766970>war is the true nature of man>man is happiest when killing other man and ruling over slaves
>>18765704It's dey cultcha
>>18765704Access to information used to be much more limited.
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