What would it have been like?
>>18764274Germany itself would’ve been an economic and architectural marvel. The former lands of the USSR would be one massive resource extraction pit that’s also emptied of Slavs.
>>18764274hell on earth, genocide of 200 million white people, 0 freedom, human breeding camps, demon worship, trannyler spending 2/3 of the economy on 500m tall buldings that will sink into the earth within few weeks, mass starvationthe torture of europe would go on until USA decideds to grant them mercy of a swift death and drop 500 nukes on them
>>18764274You probably couldn't make any sort of content that mocked or criticized Hitler.
>>18764314t. retard
>>18764274Pretty hard to imagine a world where Germans don't lose the war.
>>18764376yes but that's not what OP asked
>>18764376If the U.S. isn’t brought into the war, neither the British nor the Soviets would ever come close to mainland Germany.
>>18764353keep seething
>>18764381How it'd have been depend on the path it'd have taken to be. >>18764385Not really, despite Americans really liking this narrative even their documents now made public claim the USSR would have won, but it'd have taken around 3 years more.
>>18764391The Soviets would never have reached Berlin without lend lease, US bombing of German factories, and a second front opening in the west.
>>18764394>The Soviets would never have reached Berlin without lend lease, US bombing of German factories, and a second front opening in the west.What a prettu narrative, I'm sure it makes you very happy, but it's just not true. Even American military documents of time are very clear on this.
>>18764399Stalin himself refuted the claim that the U.S. wasn’t essential to the USSR’s survival
>>18764314>human breeding campsYou won't be invited so you'll still be a virgin.
>>18764403>Stalin himself refuted the claim that the U.S. wasn’t essential to the USSR’s survivalNo he didn't, but some very dishonest people like take Stalin giving that standard political "thanks for the material, I'll not pay for it lol" for "acktayutahly stalni claime the us was needed" or some other crap.
A grand battle royale once Hitler dies and doesn't point out a successor (hint, he preferred the organs of state to keep fighting themselves to prevent them from couping him, a dictator classic!)Video, extremely relevant: https://youtu.be/JBeU7o6DODI
>>18764391Without Lend Lease, Soviets would in the best case push Germany back to 1939 Poland/Baltic borders. Lend lease provided them key logistical and equipment improvements that would allow them between 43’ to 44’ to achieve military parity + superiority with the Germans. Otherwise, had Soviet losses had been maintained like it was in 42’, I find it hard to see them going far without eventually bleeding their manpower dry. Barbarossa was a devastating blow that people seem to forget, without LL Soviet Industry would not recover and expand the way it did between 43-45’.
>>18764510Repeating head canon is no good.
>>18764274Different places would look completely different. "Reichsgau Gotenland" (Crimea and Southern Ukraine) would be the main point of German colonization. Hitler planned to create basically a second German civilization there in order to ensure long term hegemony over the region, and import food into the central part of the Reich.The Poles and Ukrainians that live between Gotenland and the main part of the Reich would be treated as a slave class. The Nazis would encourage them to emigrate to "Moskowien" (Russia). It's possible an exception would be made for some Ukrainian collaborators who pass as Aryan, although I'm not certain.The Russians and other Slavs in Moskowien would be mostly ignored, except occasionally bombed whenever they revolted. It's likely this land would be German only in name and would look sort of like the American wild west."Reichskommissariat Ostland" (the Baltic states) would be the other point of German colonization, although this would be a more gradual process since the Nazis believed an unknown percent of Latvians and Lithuanians, as well as most Estonians, qualify as being racially Aryan. It's possible Estonia would just be given to Finland
>>18764513How would Bagration be possible without 33% of all Soviet Motor vehicles, 18% of all Soviet aircraft, 92% of new railway equipment, 50% of its aluminum, 80% of its copper, 1/3rd of its explosives, 57% of its aviation fuel. Lend Lease provided specific crucial aid that helped the Soviets in achieving a decisive victory in 44’, compensating the 41’ losses. Otherwise they’d have multiple Operation Mars like fiascos instead.
>>18764561>It's possible Estonia would just be given to FinlandMore likely Estonians could have been shipped to Finland to colonize their share of Russia.
>>18764473This
>>18764588>How would Bagration be possibleBy American military documents? Over twice the period of time and taking another 9 months to prepare.
>>18764588How did you interpret "war would last longer" as "they would lose the war"? The Germans were in a much dire spot and lost all their major offensive abilities after 1942(Kurks was a localized offensive) and resorted to total defense
>>18764667You said Germany would still lose, instead taking 3 years longer. I stated that without Lend Lease I don’t see the Soviets being able to carry on the large scale offensives that would enable German defeat at all. While Germany was in a difficult spot in 42’ from the Stalingrad fuck up, they still had a strong ratio against Soviet losses and had blunted other Soviet offensives. Eventually the Soviets would scrape the barrel and it would fully settle into a stalemate inside Soviet territory, with neither side winning. Germany’s defense strategy failed in the end because it couldn’t handle the reformed motorized red army, which I can’t see existing in the same form without US pumping.
>>18764737>I don’t seePlaying ignorant may seen like a great argument inside your head, but it really isn't.
>>18764274A horrible, brainless empire
>>18764739I directly explained why, playing the retard it seems. Please enlighten me where the Soviets would come up with the materials/produced goods that allowed for their motorization by 44’. Can the Soviets sustain the same losses they had before LL kicked in (By end of 42’), when that would mean an extra 6 million military dead by 45’. If it ends by 48’, USSR is in a further black hole of manpower.
>>18764758You've already ignored everyone who explained it to you and repeated the same false claim, it gets to a point where no one wants to engage with a dishonest prick.
>>18764274Horrible. Marvel movies and funko pops would be illegal
As close to paradise on earth that exists.
>>18764274It would have probably sucked.Though exponentially more the farther you were from being a high status German.That said, it's evolution would have been interesting. Mostly because the Natsoc state did not have set in stone plans as to what they wanted to do after they won.Hell, not even the holocaust was planned beforehand. It just kind of happened.I wonder how women's and foreign worker's rights in the Reich would go. What with the nigh-permanent mass mobilization and what such.I wonder if plan of deporting all the Germans in South Tyrol east will end up happening.>>18764987Paradise sounds like a pretty middling place tbqh.
>>18764561>The Russians and other Slavs in Moskowien would be mostly ignored, except occasionally bombed whenever they revoltedHello fellow Table Talks enjoyer.
>>18765137>actual historical events shouldn't be talked about on /his/ but endless religious shit flinging is fine
>>18765115He keeps comparing Slavs to Native Americans in the table-talk so its not that clear cut. And considering this is Hitler talking after dinner you shouldn't expect him to be.
>>18764274dogshit
>>18764561nice headcanon you retardhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
It would have liberalized by the 60s and collapsed by the 80s
>>18765197Why?
>>18765202We have good reason to believe Germany would have liberalized over the course of time.One reason being that pretty much all of Hitlers successors were less ideological than Hitler, such as Göring, Hess, and Dönitz, and that either of these men could have been the equivalent of Khrushchevs immediate reforms away from Stalinism.In fact, there may even have been an immediate power strugle and purge, similar to what happened upon the death of Stalin, but instead of Beria you have Himmler being purged.Also, German society was politically divided since in the last free election of 1932, the socialist parties recieved nearly 40% of the vote.These people didnt magically go away just because NSDAP became the authoritarian single-party government, and it's consolidation of public support was probably due to the war since wars have a tendency to cause the population to rally to the state.Academics were also proven to be questioning the moral legitimacy of the regime during the war itself. Germany was known since hundreds of years of producing liberal and socialist thinkers, some of the most influential were Germans.Most fascist regimes around Europe that even survived ww2, inevitably reverted back to liberal democracy because Europeans simply reject authoritarianism. It's been a gradual process since the reformation.
>>18765245Also German Baby Boomers who would be spoiled just like US ones after a won war
>>18765245>ne reason being that pretty much all of Hitlers successors were less ideological than Hitler, such as Göring, Hess, and DönitzHimmler has a better chance of succeeding Hitler than all of them combined. though.>In fact, there may even have been an immediate power strugle and purge, similar to what happened upon the death of Stalin, but instead of Beria you have Himmler being purged.Himmler certainly has the upper hand in a potential conflict against his enemies inside the state.>Most fascist regimes around Europe that even survived ww2, inevitably reverted back to liberal democracy because Europeans simply reject authoritarianism. Spain and portugal disintegrated because they were isolated regimes surrounded by liberal democratic states.
>>18764314Wrong. Nuking israel and india would have been better for world peace.
>Hitler dies>Succession struggle probably ends with a slimy Machiavellian like Göring winning and taking over >He's also a degenerate hedonist >Probably just liberalizes the Reich so he can carry on living out his hedonistic lifestyle with minimal concern and actual governing >Industrial society is inescapable so it basically just ends up like present day Bundesrepublik Germany anyways
>>18764274better than Europe today for sure
>>18764404yes you avarage neonazi 4chan virgin would be working 16 hours shift in shit factory so that Chad and his 9 children have a nice free house
>>18764274Reddit tier flag
