Jesus NEVER actually claimed to be God and holding that Jesus was merely a divinely influenced man is not heretical. Mark 11:33There is literally nothing heretical about claiming that Jesus isnt God.
>>18763041Again this thread? Yes Isa is not God, no repeating it will do no good.
>>18763041>>18763045Allah will be displeased that you denied His Son Jesus Christ.
>>18763062No one denies the Messiah, taking Jesus words on his own Godhood over Paul's and John's claims is the greatest respect you can give him.
>>18763069We will see who is right on the day of judgement. I am putting my trust in Paul who was the first person to write about Jesus.
>>18763073>I am putting my trust in PaulOver Jesus, and his disciplies, specially James? That's a bold move, very bold move.
>>18763041dumbass
>>18763178He meant that in the sense of all men being One with the Lord after death. Use context.
>>18763045I am of the opinion that Jesus of Nazareth knew he wasn’t God nor divine so when the Sanhedrin asked him he intentionally brought up John the Baptist (another miracle worker/ prophet) to cast as a diversion from the question.
>>18763183He meant that you're a lying faggot, that's what he meant.
>>18763187Very oriental, much liked
>>18763197Enjoy your heresies.
>>18763204>>18763187schizo mutt is here to, where's my :) face?
>>18763206Do you mean this guy? He pretends to be the GDP = tourism schizo and a bunch of other people and has been shitting this board uo for years. Pretending to be a Christcuck is just a new trolling maneuver (I hate that guy because he’s like 50 different trolls).
>>18763041Correction: that is damnably heretical and your soul is in imminent danger of God’s wrath if you believe this demonic lie
>>18763226If he believed he was God and knew he was to die anyways what kept him from answering the Sanhedrin?
>>18763240What does refusing to answer the Sanhedrin have to do with any of this? Do you know that the context explains why He refused to answer them? Are you aware that it has absolutely nothing to do with whether He was God?
>>18763278“Are you given authority from God?”“Idk was John the Baptist?”
>>18763178lol
>>18763558Jesus has two natures: divine and human. Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was merely acknowledging the fact that He was also a man. Jesus is both God and man. As a man, he was in a lesser position than the Father because he had added to Himself human nature (Col. 2:9) and was made under the Law (Gal. 4:4). He became a man to die for people (1 Cor. 15:1-4).A comparison of differences of position can be found in the marriage relationship. Biblically, a husband is greater in position and authority than his wife. He is her head (Eph. 5:23); but, he is no different in nature, and he is not better than she. They share the same nature, being human, and they work together by love and commitment to the Lord.So, Jesus did not deny that He was God. He was acknowledging that He was also a man, and as a man, he was subject to the laws of God so that He might redeem those who were under the law, namely, sinners (Gal. 4:4-5).Jesus is God.Isaiah 40:1 - 40:5"Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God. Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins. The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain: And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.God the Father calls Jesus God:Hebrews 1:8“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”Matt. 4:10, “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.”Jesus accepted worship, because He is God. For example in John 20:28.www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
>>18763178>interpreting literallyok, do you want to go the literal route? then tell me what this implies, idiot.
>>18763558>>18764255Schrodinger's Christ. According to the Athanasian Creed he's both God and Man but also just Man depending on the verse you're reading.>For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ;So when he says "my Father is greater than I" he's speaking as someone who's only human, even if that doesn't make any sense. God is, by definition, greater than Man, the only reason the creed has this unnecessary statement about him being "inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood" is because they knew John 14:28 contradicted Trinitarianism.
>>18763041>John 10:36: "Do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?"
>>18763558Reminder that taking this verse literally is a heckin heresy in mainstream Christian denominations lmao.
>>18764255>>18764266Jesus is clearly under God.>But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.1 Corinthians 15:20-28Whenever he's addressed as God it's due to the fact that he's the image of God and inherited God's name.>In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.Hebrews 1:4
>>18764271This is an invalid verse.
>>18764255>>18764266>>18764292John also clarifies that he's the Son of God when the subject is brought up.>“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”John 10:33-38>A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.John 20:26-30
>>18763178>>18763183The last thread died when I posted this, so I will post again."Do you not know that whoever is united to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For it is said, “The two shall be one flesh.” But anyone united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him." (1 Corinthians 6:16-17)There's nothing there about this applying to all men or only happening after death. The context is that you should avoid sexual immorality because it's an offense against the body of Christ, that is, the church, and the Holy Spirit. "Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Should I therefore take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never!" "Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own?"
>>18764306This is a verse from Paul, avoid quoting Paul.
>>18764255>>18764266>>18764292>>18764302>The Logos can only imitate God (John 5:19)>The Logos has to obey God regardless of what he wants (John 5:30)>The Logos became flesh to do God's will not his own (John 6:38)>The Logos has no personal doctrine he simply parrots God's commands (John 7:16, 12:49)>The Logos wants to please God not himself (John 8:29)>The Logos is but a living image of God (John 12:44-45, Colossians 1:15, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Hebrews 1:3)>The Logos is lower than God in the divine hierarchy but higher than everyone else (1 Corinthians 15:27, Hebrews 1:4)>The Logos received all power and authority from God (John 17:2, Matthew 28:18)>The Logos received the name that is above all names from God (Philippians 2:9)>The Logos is a vessel of God's presence (Colossians 2:9)>The Logos's purpose is to allow mankind to become one with God (John 17:21-23)tl;dr: Jesus ain't God
>>18764307Why?
>>18763041>neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these thingsDefinitely not suspicious at all no sir
>>18764255And beware of trinitarian corruptions like the Johannine Comma in the KJV and pic related. If Trinitarianism was actually biblical trinitarians wouldn't have felt the need to corrupt the text to support it.
>>18764309Paul never met Jesus Christ, he never learned the doctrine of Christ, he got in fights with Christ's disciples over doctrine and he contradict Christ in most of his claims.
>>18764295>This is an invalid verseThe average christcuck everyone
>>18764328If we're taking for granted that what 99.9...% of people call Christianity is false, I instead prefer the theory that a historical Jesus didn't exist and early Christianity was derived from visions and pesher for all the apostles, which is why Paul makes a point of arguing, as if it were in his favor, that he didn't get his gospel from anyone else and had very little contact with Peter and the others early on. Then the gospels would have been written as mythical representations of different intepretations of Christianity. And Matthew's gospel, coming after the very Paul-compatible Mark, shows many signs that it (or an earlier form of it, prior to proto-orthodox homogenization efforts) was written specifically in opposition to Paul.
>>18764358>I'd rather accept Jesus is not real than accept Paul may not be right.
>>18764366I just think it's more likely that Matthew came up with a bizarre command like "Call no one your father on earth" (Matthew 23:9) if he had read 1 Corinthians 4:15, "For though you might have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers. Indeed, in Christ Jesus I fathered you through the gospel." and taken issue with it, than that this is something a historical Jesus would have said unprompted.
>>18764322>>18764308>>18764302>>18764266You don't need 1 John 5:7 to prove that The Father is God, The Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. You can clearly see that.John 1:1-2: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”Colossians 1:16“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”Philip 2:5-8: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."Isaiah 9:6, 7, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given… and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Only the Lord God Himself could be the fulfillment of these names. Wonderful – Only God is truly wonderful. See Luke 18:19, none good save the Lord God. Counsellor – Only the omniscient God could be the perfect Counsellor, Psalms 16:7. The Mighty God – The One prophesied to be the Messiah was to be God Himself. The Everlasting Father – John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and My Father are one.” In this text Jesus as man was born but Jesus as God was “given.” (God always existed.)It's the other modern Bible translations after it that are corrupt. KJV is the only Bible that doesn't have contradictions:Go to https://kjvcompare.com/and check example verses: 2 Samuel 21:19, Mark 1:2, Hebrews 3:16, Genesis 27:39, Hebrews 2:14
>>18764629(continuation)Acts 5:3-4 Lying to The Holy Spirit = Lying to GodHosea 13:4“Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.”Jesus has to be God, otherwise He isn't a Saviour.Matthew 1:21“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”Also you completely ignored the Isaiah 40:1 - 40:5 prophecy of Jesus, which also proves that He is God.Yes, it's true that Christ is the image of God, but that's not the reason He is called God. If that's the reason, why aren't Christians called God then? Christians are also in the image of God because they are in Christ: 1 Corinthians 11:7“For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.”Jesus says He is One with God. The Bible clearly states He was equal with God and then He was made in the likeness of men to SERVE, so that He could save humans from their sins (Philipp 2:5-8).It also says clearly in Acts 20:28 that the blood which purchased the church of God, is the blood of God Himself:"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28)You are with the crazy cultists and the Pharisees which deny that Jesus is God. I guess you want to stone Him too for lying? Or?
>>18764629>>18764649>Reddit space>Random assortment of verses >KJV only slopYeah, it's apologism time
>>18764652>KJV only slopThe "Bibles" say different things.If one thing says something, and another thing contradicts with it, you can't believe that both are true. Either there is a true word of God, or there isn't.There are too many reasons that show that the KJV is pure word of God, and the other modern bibles are simply false, and full of contradictions.There is plenty of evidence to prove the God has preserved His word throughout the years that it has been used widely and popularly, instead of locked away for about 1600 years and used by no one. If you just look at the KJV and how it compares to the modern Bibles you can see that it's the pure word of God, and every word does matter.Luke 4:4: "And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."Matthew 5:18: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."Every word is a matter of life and death so it's not just some general thing that you can get from every "Bible". There has to be a pure word of God otherwise it's not the word of God, but the corrupted word of someone else. Since modern "Bibles" and the KJV say different things, you can't choose both.The only reason people deny the KJV being the word of God is the same reason why people deny that Jesus is God. They want to believe a lie, so God lets them have the lies they desire so much.https://truthischrist.com/seven/https://truthischrist.com/elton-anomaly-823543/https://truthischrist.com/70x7-kjb-code-jesus-is-the-son-of-god/www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ
>>18764676>Reddit spaceStopped reading here.Also, KJV is one of the few translation we know for sure was corrupted on purpose to push a given doctrine. It's Jehovah Witness tier bad.
>>18764679>It's Jehovah Witness tier bad.Oh, thats really interesting. If it's that bad then lets see how your modern "Bibles" hold up:2 Samuel 21:19Goliath was beheaded by David over 30 chapters ago in 1 Samuel 17:51. While the underlying Hebrew also says “Goliath”, the correct reading “brother of Goliath” is confirmed by the parallel passage in 1 Chronicles 20:5. Mark 1:2Mark quotes two prophets, starting with Malachi 3:1 in Mark 1:2 before proceeding to quote Isaiah 40:3 in Mark 1:3. Modern Bibles suggest that Mark identified Malachi’s writing as Isaiah’s, which is an obvious error.Hebrews 3:16Modern Bibles suggest all Israel provoked the Lord and were not able to enter the promised land. However, Joshua and Caleb did not provoke the Lord (Numbers 14:22-24), nor did others, according to the KJB, such as Eleazar the priest, who also entered the promised land (Numbers 3:32, Joshua 21:1).Genesis 27:39In the KJB, Isaac blessed Esau. But in modern translations, he curses him, contradicting the Holy Ghost in Hebrews 11:20, which reads: By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.Deuteronomy 22:28In these modern versions, v.29 would imply that God’s law forced a woman to marry her rapist, even though the verses just before that verse clearly say that rapists are to be killed.Luke 2:33Jesus did not have an earthly father as indicated by modern versions in this verse. This verse is narrated by Luke, and ultimately the Holy Ghost. Some like to point out that Mary calls Joseph the “father” of Jesus in Luke 2:48 when she is speaking to him, but Jesus corrects her on who his Father is in verse 49.Luke 2:22Modern versions suggest the holy child Jesus had a sin nature and required purification by the law of Moses. This is an error. Only the mother needed purifying according to Leviticus 12:1-8. Moreover, that passage in Leviticus describes an atonement required for this purification. Jesus was sinless and never needed an atonement.
>>18764629>You don't need 1 John 5:7Then why did trinitarians add it to the Bible? John 1:1 and John 1:14 apparently weren't enough, since the verses merely state that the preexisting Logos was in union with God and, as the rest of the gospel would, entirely dependent upon him. Colossians 1:16 likewise only emphasizes the Logos as the firstborn of creation. Philippians 2:5-8 is often misinterpreted as well, as the Greek word morphe refers to outward appearance, status, or manifestation rather than an inner, unchangeable divine nature. The phrase "did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped" (or robbed/exploited) means Jesus did not seize or hoard god-like status or prerogatives. Instead, unlike Adam, who tried to reach for equality with God, Jesus remained obedient.And we have Isaiah 9:6-7...>Isaiah 9:6, 7, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given… and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Only the Lord God Himself could be the fulfillment of these names. Wonderful – Only God is truly wonderful. See Luke 18:19, none good save the Lord God. Counsellor – Only the omniscient God could be the perfect Counsellor, Psalms 16:7. The Mighty God – The One prophesied to be the Messiah was to be God Himself. The Everlasting Father – John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and My Father are one.” In this text Jesus as man was born but Jesus as God was “given.” (God always existed.)Looks like you forgot Prince of Peace.
>>18764709Goliath and his brother issue is present in the bible, KJV forges text to "fix" it.KJV is weird, so much random crap added.
>>18764649>Jesus has to be God, otherwise He isn't a Saviour.Jesus is granted authority to forgive sins by God. Then the disciples are granted that power. If God wasn't able to do that the whole religion is false.Isaiah 40:1 - 40:5 also say Jesus is the glory of God, that is, his image. You prove my point here when you mention Christians being one with God yet not being called God. Jesus simply inherited God's name, he's not equal to God.And regarding Acts 20:28, "his own blood" is obviously his Son's blood.
>>18764255>>18764629>>18764649>>18764676>>18764709https://superiorword.org/errors-in-the-king-james-version/
>>18764292An apple is fully fruit. A pear is fully fruit. Therefore an apple should be identical to pear. Retardation detected.
>>18764889>more than one fruit exists Polyfruitism is a heresy, anon.
>>18764903You think a part of the whole can't share the same name as the whole?
>>18763558He was talking about his temporal status as a human being in the fallen world.
>>18764889So Jesus is not God, but only a part of a God?
>>18764913>Actually when Jesus said this one thing, he meant the exact contraryChristianity in a sentence.
>>18764762A lot of the "errors" on that website are basically nitpicks on how to hebrew or greek was translated, and when it talks about contradictions, can they truly be called contradictions if there's a reasonable explanation?For example, the site says: >Numbers 2:17 – The word says ohel moed, tent of meeting. 3 demerits. If the KJV were correct here, there would be a contradiction in the Bible based on Numbers 10:17. However, an entirely different word is used (mishkan), and no contradiction exists. 1 more demerit for causing a contradiction in the Bible that is not a contradiction. 4 demerits total.However, it's not a true contradiction; it is a shift from a general blueprint to specific execution.Numbers 2:17 establishes the general rule and ideal layout. God's spiritual requirement is that the Tabernacle always remains the central focus, right in the middle of His people. Numbers 10:17 explains the practical, logistical execution of that rule. It reveals that the Levites had to stagger their tasks so the tent could actually function at the next stop.The "contradiction" is that they DID set out behind the first camp (Judah). By doing this, they broke the "stay in the exact middle of the line" rule that was just established in Numbers 2. The explanation for why they did this is purely practical: they rushed ahead to build the tent structure at the next stop, so that when the final group of Levites arrived later with the holy furniture, the tent would already be standing.If you go to https://kjvcode.com/ you will just how many crazy things the KJV has that seem impossible unless there was a supernatural miracle going on.John 8:24“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”Jesus is God, and unless you specifically ignore verses, even the modern "Bibles" prove that.
>>18764936>A lot of the "errors" on that website are...Forgeries.
>>18764918Not my problem you dont like the actual interpretation.
>>18764952No everyone has been trained from birth to enjoy hypocrisy and duplicity, sorry.
>>18764957sure thing buddy
>>18764936Thanks chatgpt but that wasn't the question.
>>18764952>actual interpretationYou guys are disgusting let's see how you "interpret":>not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass away from the law until all things are accomplished Matthew 5:18
>>18764940>>18764978God preserved His word by giving us the KJV, you use the oldest texts you have currently, but you don't have the originals. You don't have any right to say that there are verses in the KJV that are "forgeries" because you you don't have the original texts. You can only say that they are forgeries if you don't have the original text.There are also no contradictions in the KJV, that "superiorword" website doesn't have any real contradictions. So what if I use AI? It doesn't disprove the point I made about it not being a real contradiction.
>>18765001Thank God this type of people is disapeering.
>>18765008And to continue, you yourself said that there are "issues" present in the bible ( >>18764721 ).So there just straight up issues in the "Bible" that you read, and it's not a forgery, however the KJV, which doesn't have that issue, is somehow a forgery to you.That doesn't make sense.
