Why did Nietzsche become a rallying point for antisemites when he himself loved Jews and thought they were based as fuck?
>>18760955He had conflicted opinions on Jews. He excoriates them a lot, but he also does praise them (genuinely rather than what he does here) and was friends with some.
>>18760955Because the true rallying point for anti-semitism was Christianity, at least until post-ww2 era, so Nietzscheanism was the alternative for anti-semites who also despised Christianity: cosmopolitan liberals, neopagans, and, of course, self-hating jews. Self-hating jews as a category might actually be the plurality of Nietzschean antisemites. Thus it's not a problem for them that Nietzsche alternately loved jews and condemned judaism as the greatest evil inflicted on the west, saying we all should have just been buddhists maaaaan, because self-hating jews themselves swing back and forth on whether jews are evil or the master race.
>>18760985Why do people single out Nietzsche when Marx said the jews had to vanish for the world to reach utopia
>>18760955Because his ideas were appropriated and twisted by nazis
>>18760955Have you met a lot of antisemites?kanye and co who mythologize jewishness as this cosmic force liken to the angra mainyu: ahura hormazd.Just up deportations and antisemitism would go away overnight, ben Shapiro esque brownification immigration is the most anti israel policy own goal
>retards don't understand thingsNo way!
Nietzsche's sister was married to a powerful politician, and late 1800s germany anti-semitism mixed with paganism and christianity was the cool thing to do, so when he became a vegetable she twisted his drafts and published Will to Power to contain as much beliefs as she liked, including anti-semitism, while in reality his views on Jews were mixed.Wagner was also part of this "intellectual movement" and it's mainly the reason why Nietzsche distanced himself. N. hated anti-semitism (or Christianity) because he felt it as resentment aka peak slave morality.Do you want to know why Nietzsche's books are so easily misinterpreted? Because as he says in the end of Ecce Homo, everything he criticized he knew was a natural part of his character and his blood that he wanted to overcome. That's why he hated his sister and his mother so much.
>>18761458Because Nietzsche became associated with the Nazis who hunted down Jews in small villages a thousand km from Germany to kill them for the crime of being born Jewish (this was honestly not as bad as it sounds. These villages were like spawn points for cosmopolitan ultra-liberal mercantile industrial secular billionaire Jews. If you want to destroy the liberal secular Jew, you have to destroy his spawn point, there's just no other way. These village Jews were also having like 12 children per family so the problem was getting rapidly worse). The idea was that Nietzschean amorality and will to power was what philosophically justified the holocaust for the Nazis. The idea is that normal Christians would have Christian tolerance and pity for the Jews, while the Nietzschean rejects Christian morality as alien. I find this argument extremely unconvincing as the main voting bloc for the NSDAP, the German Protestants, the only group to majority vote for the Nazis, were extremely devout and pious Christians, and in fact the NSDAP was a reaction to atheist secular urban cosmopolitanism, Berlin had like 10 churches total for a population of like 2 million at the time. Nietzscheans would not be that interested in carrying out a holocaust. Meanwhile Marxist communists were disproportionately Jewish themselves and welcomed atheist secular Jews into positions of power
>>18761465>>18761484>>18762200Literally read Geneaology of Morals you idiots, the very first section he tells you that Judaism and Jewish morality is the root cause of the slave revolt that made our society venerate weakness and despise strength. He attacks Christianity for being too Jewish. It's not complicated and it has nothing to do with his sister and there's no way to interpret Nietzschean philosophy as pro-Semitic, no matter if he wrote some letters complementing jews nor if he condemned nationalism and racism
>>18760955This is just him exhorting Germans to be stronger and more resistant to Judaism. Can you even read? The core of Nietzscheanism is that Judaism is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity.
>>18760955>Why did Nietzsche become a rallying point for antisemitesHe didn't. Nietzsche's supporters are mostly edgy atheist rightists like Richard Spencer and his cohorts, half of whom are Jewish themselves.The actual National Socialists explicitly banned atheism as a Jewish moral system
>>18762696>the very first section he tells you that Judaism and Jewish morality is the root cause of the slave revolt that made our society venerate weakness and despise strengthYou think Nietzsche is saying "I despise Jews" because of that? Maybe read all of his major works, then you will be entitled to an opinion.>there's no way to interpret Nietzschean philosophy as pro-SemiticNo one ever said this.
>>18762727I've read Genealogy Beyond G and E and Also Sprach, but really that was overkill for this conversation, since you seem incapable of grasping the most fundamental concepts laid out in the first section of Geneaology:The whole world, including the Kaiser, the Lutheran Church, Bismarck, and the Emperor of Austria, has been conquered by slave morality, which came from the Jews. We are all infected, ergo you get passages like that quoted in the OP, where Nietzsche's point is that Germany itself has been so corrupted by Judaism that to pass a law prohibiting Eastern Jews would be to deal with the problem at its step rather than its root. Germans do not need to merely ban Jews, as prohibition is the acknowledgement of a stronger force from which protection is required, they need to exorcise the Judaism within. Nietzsche was the most antisemitic thinker of the 19th century and many of those who carried out the Holocaust probably agreed with Nietzsche that Jews were the source of all degeneration and corruption of our old notions of good and evil
>>18762748>Germans do not need to merely ban Jews, as prohibition is the acknowledgement of a stronger force from which protection is required, they need to exorcise the Judaism within.This is a conclusion you're coming up with. Nietzsche never wanted anything to do with the German State or State for that matter. He never gave political advice and he actively despised politics. Something you would know if you actually read the books.You're talking out of your ass.
>>18762748>Genealogy Beyond G and E and Also SprachNow read: Twilight of the Idols, The Antichrist, Human all too Human, Daybreak, The Gay Science and Ecce Homo, in that order. Add Zarathustra, since reading it before everything else means you didn't understand a single word of it as N. himself says. A warning the Great Reich(s) clearly ignored.
>>18762200Nietzsche's sister had multiple jewish friends and defended the jews even though she supported the nazis for anti-marxist reasons, btw.
>>18762765Guy who spent his whole life analyzing tree rot absolutely despised tree trimming>>18762774You learned nothing from his books except that he was a heckin good decent person with basic human empathy
Since neither of you have any interest in the substance of his writing, except to establish that he was a retarded libtard who thought racism bad and nationalism bad in order to rebel against Wagner and his Lutheran father, and your primary interest is to gatekeep it, eventually you will grow bored and move on to gatekeeping Star Wars or punk rock or Starship Troopers. You will post interview excerpts of Verhoeven claiming the bugs are the good guys. That is the level of your interest in Nietzsche. Meanwhile people who have actually opened the book and read how cartoonishly antisemitic it is will remain
You can find many quotes from Nietzsche praising Jewish resilience or condemning low IQ antisemitism and nationalism. These are all accoutrements, icings on the cake of his philosophy, the core of which is that our notions of good and evil are Jewish and thus alien to us. Hence the Holocaust, which obviously occured after Nietzsche's lifetime and thus it is our duty to interpret it through a Nietzschean lens, was justified, since our notion of evil that leads us to label the Holocaust evil was simply something our forebears were lulled into falsely believing by the Jewish slave revolt of Christianity. The question is, why should a Nietzschean dislike the Holocaust? Because there's a quote from Nietzsche respecting the way the Jews have managed to survive generations of pogroms? Because he claimed attempting to exile Jews would only make them stronger by isolating them away from Christian society? Does that sound like someone who would dislike the holocaust?
>>18762956Nietzsche's sister thought jews were the root of all life-denying, sclerotic, flattening libtardism in European society and would not have minded their persecution btw
>>18763019There is no evidence she was anti-semitic beyond the relationship with her husband, she even said she was uncomfortable with the whole anti-semitic movement even though the jewish press had attacked her.>would not have minded their persecutionShe literally thought anti-semitism hurt Hitler's reputation.
>>18763000>>18763008>>18763017>>18763029You have not even read all of his books. Yet you really like to talk shit, directly from your ass. In fact your posts read like some opinionated asshole, who takes liberty at masturbating to his own thoughts.
>>18763138No idea why you quoted my post about Nietzsche's sister but ok.
>>18762765Not him, but I think it's a plausable reading, although I slightly dissagree.As we know from multiple passages in the Genealogy and elsewhere Nietzsche didn't exactly have anything against racism as such, and basically called the pre-Aryan populations of Europe subhuman. If you read the passage he's clearly saying that the German ethnic identitiy isn't strongly formed (unlike in Brittan and France) and that as a result the jews could easily rule over them at the curent moment (and he was basically right here if you look at the Weimar republic and the jewish attraction to communism) something he clearly thinks would be bad in the current situation because of the negative traits of the jewish people (in the anti-christ he calls the jews a people who developed their inverted morality as a way of surviving no matter what) while also respecting their "good" traits such as their unity and banking-skills, hence saying they were stronger than the other european races... He then goes on to say that the anti-semites will compel the jews to rule over europe with their idiotic analysis of the jewish question wheras he thinks the negative aspects of the jewish people might be dissapearing as they chose to settle down, and that the positive aspects could be incorporated in the German nation. Very different from the modern libtard who supports migration for "humanitarian" reasons.This is also only one passage, like everyone he changed his on different questions in response to new data, so it's not clear if this is what he thought later in life (some passages in WTP might suggest he didn't...) but following Gobineau he believed there are no pure races as such, only purified ones. As your png shows he wasn't just a low-grade bigot but a serious racial thinker and at one point he thought a Mischling solution to the JQ was a reasonable way to go (he mentions in his notes that Prussian Junkers + Khazar milkies would perhaps make a good mix).
>>18762706Wasn’t Nietzsche a neopagan
I find it strange that Nietzsche freaks out at antisemites championing his work, when he wrote Genealogy of Morals one of the most antisemitic things ever written by a human. It's like, nigga what do you want? What did you think would happen?
