How did the changs go from drilling for gas in 200BC to cook water on an industrial scale to being backwards peasants who ate cats and dogs and are only able to copy and steal?
>>18759663Most of China for most of its history were backwards peasants, same as everyone else. Most people in China didn't even speak Mandarin until the mid 20th century
>>18759663>drilling for gas in 200BC to cook water on an industrial scalewat
>>18759671Apparently the changs thought gas was the best way to boil water when they could have used coal. They are pretty fucking stupid after all but this is still an impressive feat.
>>18759670Most Chinese spoke a Mandarin dialect, just not the Standard Mandarin taught in schools today.
>>18759663Communism.
>>18759663>backwards peasants who ate cats and dogs and are only able to copy and steal?
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>>18760046Thats unironically nothing compared to pic related. This thing was built in Sui dynasty 600AD and still stands today. Sui dynasty were absolute masters of engineering and it is a shame that they decided to randomly bankrupt themselves in stupid wars against Korea.
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They realized modernity is bad & because they were not under Jewish rule they able to to pivot back and ditch it.
>>18760013>>18760023>>18760046>>18760185And this is the greatest example surviving from that time? The Romans had scores of bridges, aqueducts and domes with spans greater than 30 meters, many still surviving. Italy is prone to earthquakes too just like China. China lacked innovations like the windmill which became a common feature in every European village or Euclidean geometry until the Jesuits brought it to them.OP has a point, there was a flurry of innovation up until the fall of Han, but then it came to a sudden stop and the only major advances over the next 1500 years were gunpowder and paper.
>>18760235>retard who doesnt understand jack shit from engineering compares this marvel of a bridge to shitty aqueductskek. was it the size? you dumb cunt.
>>18759663A Zhou Dynasty era sophisticated scholar aristocrat probably ate more dog more often than even the most stereotypical backward hunnan peasant today.
>>18761139And to be honest I never understood the rationale behind getting precious about eating dogs and cats. They weren't eating their pets, obviously. These were raised specifically as meat animals.
>>18759935Mandarin dialect in the same way that French and Portuguese are dialects of Latin
>>18759663A neverending cycle of growth, bureaucratization and collapse. Chinese civilization hasn't risen to it's former heights in a long time because the Qing and the Communists both managed to utterly lobotomize society with dumbed down Confucianism and Communism respectively.
>>18761189What differentiates China's former heights from what it had during the Qing or what it has now under the CCP?They are actually really consistent. The state of things as they are now is functionally identical to literally all Dynasties after the Sui. The Chinee are nothing if not reliable.>both managed to utterly lobotomize society with dumbed down Confucianism and Communism respectively.Cape shit.The Qing Dynasty wasn't even confucian. Just some boondoggling weirdo multi-culti empire.
>>18761212Can't call it a steppe empire either. The Qing Dynasty was bullshit. Was it China? Kind of, but not really. Was it a steppe Turko-mongol empire? Kind of, but not really. Was it Buddhist? Kind of, but not really. Stupid Manchus, resisiting my arbitrary categorizations.
>>18761219We can at least tell it was not China because they expanded their territory anc the Chinese don't do that. Thank god.
>>18761219The gentry who were middle management were literally han chinese from ming who themselves were from yuan who themselves were from song dynasty. Literally no change except at the top. Hard to say that there was drastic change in civilization.
>>18761312China was administered the Chinese way, Mongolia the Mongol way, Tibet the Tibetan way, etc.It's hardly definable as one thing over the others.
>>18760013>>18760046Never beating the "build western thing but stick LEDs on it" allegations.
>>18761361Not that the Chinese are known for their imperialism and universalist need to have everyone submit to them by force. That's something Western Europeans tend to project onto them for their own reasons.
>>18760185>Survives endless wars, floods, earthquake, chink autism chimpoutsImplessive engineering.
>>18759663It must hurt, to build your entire being about how superior your people, culture, race are, only to have the Chinese mog you.
>>18761365They are completely unable to innovate and basically hired whites to build everything. They got the LEDs because they like them.
>>18761496>They are completely unable to innovateI'm pretty sure the Chinese innovate and do far more research than the "West" does today.
>>18761500The "chinese" of today are as much the chinese of the han dynasty as the modern greeks are to the classical greeks.
>>18761532I really don't think a mutt who doesn't know a thing about a China should be trying to make this sort of claim, do you?
>>18761532>If we pretend that China today doesn't count as China, then we can pretend that...Everything is a game of pretend with Americans.
>>18760013Whoa! Skyscraper and bridge!
>>18761670The Chinese still have third world standards so this is very impressive to them
>>18761679A city without hobos or trash would be extremely impressive in the US.
>>18761680shame China has a higher homeless population than the US does then
>>18761682I guess making up stuff is a way to argue.
>>18761683Oof!
>>18761685Lower than the US, per capita, how?
>>18761686>Lower than the US, per capita, how?It's not. At best it's actually identical (0.2% for both China and the USA). Which makes your argument at best, completely moot. Find a better hill to die on Chang.
>>18761689>US: 0.22%>China: 0.1%Common core math is a sight to behold
>>18761693???
>>18761695sorry, are using Chinese data or Westenr NGO data?We can make it go aroudn 40% if you want.
>>18761699I accept your concession
>>18761689>An American town with 10k people will have on average 20 homeless crack headsGrim
>>18761189>>18761219The Great Qing legal code was almost 1:1 straight copied from the Great Ming legal code, which got 40% of its code from the Great Tang legal code, which itself is based on the Northern Wei legal code, which was a Xianbei led dynasty. China had more or less functioned in a recognizable way from 400 AD to 1911 AD, the Qing only really tacked on the banner system and stopped retarded Ming shit like musicians are automatically owned by the government and used as prostitutes to make extra money. being forced to wear certain styles and haircuts wasn't even new, just changed
>>18761171No you're confusing Cantonese with different internal Mamdarin dialects.>>18761212>>18761219>>18761361Bullshit, the Qing dynasty literally imposes Chinese punishments like lingchi on Mongols and Tibetans Manchus sliced Tibetan rebels to death in Lhasa in 1728 and 1751 and also sliced Mongol criminals to deathLingchi slicing was not part of traditional Mongol law or Tibetan lawThe Manchus copied lingchi directly from the Ming code and applied it to all Qing territory>>18761220Tang dynasty was bigger than the QingBoth Tang and Han conquered Xinjiang and VietnamHan dynasty conquered Korea in GojoseonTang dynasty conquered Mongolia.
>>18761918The Northeen Wei code was based on earlier Han dynasties like Western Jin Code and Cao Wei Code of the Three Kingdoms.
>>18762038Also the Ming dynasty itself sliced the Manchu (Jurchen) chief Wang Gao to death, the maternal grandfather of Nurhaci.
>>18759663Most Chinese regard cat meat as taboo.Only Chinese in Guangxi and Guangdong eat cats and ratsAll Germans and German Swiss ate cats and dogs up to the 20th century.Vietnamese eat cats, dogs and ratsKoreans eat cats, dogs and baby miceJapanese used to eat cats and dogs before the Meiji restoration.Chinese scientist Chien-shiung Wu literally helped build the atomic bomb in the Manhattan Project.She separated uranium 235 from uranium 238Chinese engineer Qian Xueson worked on US ballistic missiles and his cousin Qian Xueju (Tsein Hsue-chu) worked on US jet propulsionChinese engineer Wong Tsu (Wang Zhu) helped design the US navy's first combat plane for Boeing during World War I.Chinese scientist Charles C Kao helped develop fibre optic cables for the internet.
While the CCP is lasting about 300 years, the West is not making it past the next 100 and getting surpassed by SEA. And what you can do is cry and whine about it, ridiculing the future powers like a moron while convincing yourself the West will be somehow standing tall after all this crap and ruling the world forever, ignoring all visible current trajectories
>>18759663You're thinking China or any nation had the same types of people all around. That wasn't a big thing till the 19th and 20th century. You might have a handful of people in major cities but rarely were they all over and often when stuff happen and they scattered to the wind. They didn't teach enough people and anything they knew would be lost and if they're lucky hidden in a book in someone's collection.
>>18762275>surpassed by SEAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGood fucking joke mate
>>18763032This is true for raw industrial production.
>>18763032Your laugh will soon turn into a nervous one lol, so enjoy it while it lasts
>>18763049>>18763611Monkey cope
>>18763822So true bestie! Keep telling them so we can soothe our egos.
>>18761496>They are completely unable to innovate
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>>18763866>solar panelsinvented by Russell Ohl (American)>>18763869>High-speed railinvented by Europeansdon't see much innovation here to be honest
>>18763869Not even a Chinatown, it's definitely still an authoritarian shithole, but I feel like many murifats and westerners and on the level of "lmao the Soviet Union can't innovate, that Sputnik thing? Pffft" except somehow even worse
>>18763873Innovation isn't just about inventing things first, not that China lacks inventions At some point you just have to stop coping
>>18763883>supposed to be secret>is actively being monitored by US intelligenceI think they kind of missed the mark here Also, weren't all of China's aerospace documents recently leaked?
>>18763880oh wow they got one of the quarterly fusion breakthroughs.
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Sometimes, mocking your enemy and making ridicule of him by word is all you have left.
>>18759671He seems to referring to Chinese saltworks. They drilled for natural gas, and for brine, then used the gas to boil the brine down. This was all enabled by a system of bamboo plumbing.>>18759754Not sure I understand. Today we're rapidly replacing coal with gas. Not only is gas more efficient as a power source. It's a more efficient thing to source and route too.I don't know anything about Chinese coal usage prior to the modern day, but I don't see how it's dumb to sort of skip over it to a more "advanced" power source, almost 2000 years before it became the standard.
>>18764614>we'reImplessive
>>18763883>Literally just Temu X-37
>>18765120>Literally just Temu X-37Except this temu version can literally pull up to your lovely little satellite and just yoink it
>>18765136see>>18765120
>>18765139The x 37 was never able to do that retard, even based on the wildest speculations and reports it's at best just a spy plane
>>18761134>shitty aqueductsi understand that it's frustrating to deal with retards who downplay technological achievement, but that doesn't mean you have to become one yourselfroman aqueducts and waterworks in general were much more sophisticated than you seem to think they are
>>18765180They were highly sophisticated in sheer scale but are otherwise completely trumped by the open spandrel bridge of Anji in engineering solutions to weight distribution or by the sheer size and monumental achievement of the Grand Canal. The Sui dynasty is a few hundred years after the fall of the roman Republic to Imperial rule and thus far more able. You need to remove your rose tinted glasses on all things Roman. To be more terse, youre a fucking retard and should shut the fuck up.
