Why does fascism almost never outlive the death of the leader and how could this in theory be prevented?
>>18757976>how could this in theory be prevented...I wonder what ancient Communism looked like (I dont, I know...why dont you?)
>>18757976It did? Most fascists continued their work well after the war, in the Nazi's case they basically replaced the entire old far-right. they just couldn't overthrow the Establishment because it was impossible.
>>18757976fascism is the way
>>18757976Any strongman regime is doomed once the person holding it together dies. It’s simply not tenable because succession is based on either military might or political maneuvering vs a king succeeding their father or a republic electing a new leader.
>>18757982He’s talking about the actual government not whatever scattered remnants remained of former fascist officials who went into politics
>>18757976What did they do to his head
>>18758011Yeah, why didn't they use violence against a goverment backed by a superpower which in the timeframe was reaching an age of prosperity where the average citizen didn't have any will to become violent? I wonder why they didn't do it.And referring to the millions of fascists post-ww2, including Veterans who had enough power and influence to falsify the history of the Eastern Front until the 90's as "scattered remnants" is certainly a choice.
>>18757976It's a termporary expedient ruling classes turn to in order to crush the left, it was never designed to be a permanent system of government. Once the left is safely crushed they can return to a stage-managed democracy, knowing that nothing that threatens them will ever happen at the ballot box (and maybe fund some neofascist thugs just in case that what remains of the left starts agitating again)
Last that I've checked the bourgeoisie were so scared of fascism that Italian constitution makes it illegal to reform PNF. Communist parties meanwhile are allowed. Such is the fate of revolutionaries that they are politically oppressed.
>>18758583The bourgeois are pushing retard tier pseudo-nationalism now. It’s why they’re boosting the absolute dumbest people like Nick Fuentes into the limelight.
>>18757976In Mussolinis case, it could have been prevented if he had remined with the allies, preferably preserving the Stresa Front.As for all the other fascist movements, had they immediately disowned Germany (and Italy siding with the allies) then there is a real chance we would have an entirely different perspective on fascism today and make a much more clearer distinction between fascism and nazism.
>>18757976The Fuhrerprinzip is really important in fascism. So obviously, when the leader dies, you have problems.See, for me, the point isn't really to build a durable and lasting political order like the people who founded the United States did. It's much more an emergency crisis response by different fractions in a society that's trying to solve immediate political problems, and the leader gives them something to rally around. Now it might last awhile, Mussolini was in power for, what, 25 years? That's a fairly long time. But 1,000-year-reich not so much.People will say ah but they were destroyed in warfare. But let's say Mussolini stayed out of the war. When he died the whole thing might have transitioned into what Italy is now anyways.
>>18759328They are pushing christian nationalism, heavily racialist types like Spencer were quickly put down. It really is return to the 1980's.
>>18759401>So obviously, when the leader dies, you have problems.Mussolini dies in 1938. Grand council of fascists elects Italo Balbo who's already effectively ruling part of the state(Libya) already to be the next duce.Where do you see the problems?
>>18759342>preferably preserving the Stresa FrontVGH... we could have had Francoist Mussolini
>>18757976Fascism was an ideology that sprang up due to very specific circumstances and abruptly ended almost as quickly as it began. There really are not enough examples to make any solid conclusions about how fascism would really handle the death of a leader since their governments were quickly dismantled in war shortly after their leaders died.
>>18757976Mussolini was responsible for less crimes than most Allied leaders, and if you exclude colonial brutality, than probably less than almost any ww2 leader, yet he met the worst fate. Unless you find getting KWABed by ass cancer worse.
>>18758583Tbf Italian communism is completely different from the authoritarian communism of other countries, there's no reason to make the PCI illegal.
>>18759954Never were in power so you can't judge what they would do. Fascism draws heavily from syndicalism and anarchism as well is that an evidence that it wasn't authoritarian?.
>>18759873>There really are not enough examples to make any solid conclusions about how fascism would really handle the death of a leadersee >>18759817And mind you while Balbo was seemingly groomed to become the next duce, there were multiple other younger fascist leaders who may have taken the spot too - Galeazzo Ciano, Dino Grandi, Giuseppe Bottai etc. could all be considered possible successors, so even the death of Balbo wasn't exactly a tragedy for the system. The later reforms of the state like establishment of chamber of fasces and corporations would've probably paved way for a more solid succession mechanism as well.
>>18759973>>18759817I think the main problem is that of legitimacy and internal factions infighting within the fascist party. Maybe they can set up a Chinese politburo type system to prevent this?
>>18759328>the absolute dumbest people like Nick FuentesYou're real bitter that Vivek lost huh? Back to india.
>>18760118Not Indian. It’s a simple fact that Nicks “movement” of teenage groypers will cannibalize itself and sabotage conservatism, as they are quite literally trying to get communists elected to “punish” the Republican Party.
>>18757976I thought this was sid vicious and nancr
>>18760223>sabotage conservatismI wanted to make some edgy comment like "that's the point", but instead I'll sincerly ask you: how do you fix it without crashing it first?You need not reply if you aren't willing to concede that American "conservatism" is just a shell for the jewish parasites in our government.
>>18761797>muh jews
>>18757976Because it inherently rejects the power balance of government via institutions. Society is less elastic when change is brought about by a leader dying suddenly with no clear successor.
