You’ll occasionally hear people say>I am not having kids because the universe is simply too evil/uncaring for me to want to bring new life into it.And such takes are considered to be overly myopic.But like, is it really that bad of a take? Without religious beliefs, what is the incentive for the human race to continue on? Does it really matter if it all goes away, and there’s nobody left to miss us?
>>18757421You are the product of a secular materialist worldview which has disenchanted your experience of reality. You live in a world shaped by this worldview. Your negative experience of reality is largely the result of this worldview. Consequently, you no longer want to perpetuate existence.Previous generations of people who did not share said worldview didn't have this problem.Perhaps the problem isn't existence, but the secular materialist worldview you've assimilated.
>>18757421Kill yourself then.
>>18757434People have been moaning and groaning about the world being evil since the beginning of time. It’s literally in the Bible.The idea of not having a kids was never really an option unless you never had sex (prior to 1960).
>>18757421Nothing *needs* to happen in any meaningful ontological sense of the word.But when you're in your 70s, and the world seems to be passing you by in the twilight years of your life, you'll probably be a lot happier if you have some kids there to spend the holidays with you instead of just being alone with your thoughts.
>>18757421>But like, is it really that bad of a take? Yes, it's extremely cringe and a transparent code for>I don't want to have to spend money on anyone but myselfSpeaks volumes about your brain that you fell for it.>Without religious beliefs, what is the incentive for the human race to continue on?Who cares? We have the King James Bible.>Does it really matter if it all goes away, and there’s nobody left to miss us?It's not going away, it's going to be taken by those who didn't elect to live a life of homosexuality. Honestly, just own up to the fact that you feel a drive to pound men's butts rather than trying to get philosophical about it. You're going to Hell either way, what's the point in trying to retain your dignity?
>>18757458All they died off because they didn't want to fuck and were all depressed as shit. See: (some) Gnostics.This can in a lot of ways lead into a sort of self-hate and hate for your fellow human too. Again, see: (some) GnosticsDon't be that guy. It's alright being anti-natalist because you can't afford to have a kid and have he live in material misery, or because you don't see yourself as a potential good parent, but not because of this meme.
>>18759062>Meme>Is literally a described concept in every major religionLol, TradFags are such retards. It never ends with them. It’s funny because Paul’s writings are so incredibly Gnostic, and Evangelical retards refuse to accept it.People have been abstaining from reproduction because the world is evil for thousands of years. Yes, they died off. That’s the point. And yet it persists even today because people encounter so much evil in their lives that they simply cannot handle it.
>>18759223>EvilWhich arises through misuse of agency.You talk as if evil just occurs to you randomly with no cause.People do evil because they misuse the agency they've been granted.It's not 'the world' which is evil. It's people in the world choosing to do evil.As for so-called 'natural evil', this is just an imperfect plane of reality being itself. It's like blaming a disabled child for having a violent episode. This is just the way it is (although our agency, if exercised for positive ends, can mitigate many of the natural world's pitfalls).
>>18757434>Your negative experience of reality is largely the result of this worldviewKEEEEEK
>>18757421oh hey peter thiel how’s being a scion of satan going?
>>18759377 misused agency and random evil are the same
>>18757434>Your negative experience of reality is largely the result of this worldview.Some people(You) simply can't be helped
>>18759377>As for so-called 'natural evil', this is just an imperfect plane of reality being itself. It's like blaming a disabled child for having a violent episode. This is just the way it is (although our agency, if exercised for positive ends, can mitigate many of the natural world's pitfalls).Yeah man, when a tornado picks up my house and kills my wife and daughter, I’ll just remember that it is what it is and that I shouldn’t worry about it. No biggie.lol.Fucking retard.
>Not having kids cuz you like dedicated your life to prayer or some shitWow, so heckin’ based and trad.>Not having kids cuz you’re worried they may suffer too much in a fallen worldBoo, not heckin’ trad. Downdoot.Funny that most of the bitching about childless couples comes from Catholics who worship celibacy for no clear reason.
>>18759558Where in the post was it said natural evil lacked consequences?The point is to remember what it is and how to respond to it instead of allowing yourself to be immersed in it.It is evil relatively speaking to us (perspectivally), but not evil in itself.Through the intelligent application of your agency you also the ability to mitigate much of this 'evil'.
>>18757421You know. People were just expecting. Expecting for Jesus to show up. To fix everything and make everyone happy. It never came over, never happened. Instead, I happened. Fast forward, it's 2026 and there's some cunt that gets migraines from Lovecraftian Elder Seals. So people are having a field day.
>>18759381It isn't. There is clearly a difference between me accidentally stubbing my toe on the coffee table vs getting kidnapped raped and skinned alive retard.
>>18759380Kek i was just gonna mention this seems like a Thiel shill threadEven if youre not religious like me, Thiel is a demon
>>18760174no there isn't god planned both events
>>18760244Proof?
>>18757421>Does it really matter if it all goes away, and there’s nobody left to miss us?Not really>what is the incentive for the human race to continue on?Instinct
>>18760362read the bible
>>18760381Predestination isn't a Christian teaching also irrelevant to the discussion.
>>18760394> romans 8 and 9 aren't christian
>>18760396None of those say predeterminism is correct
>>18760419they do
>>18760426They talk about choices which by definition means people have free will to choose which means determinism is false.
>>18760653>which by definition means people have free willwrong
>>18760702Show me evidence proving your wild claim
>>18759558If other people (and you) did not misuse their agency, you'd be able to leave the path of the tornado and get help rebuilding your house.
>>18757421The blessed and happy know there is so much suffering in the world that in comparison to the pleasure there is you cannot reasonably make a case for continuing your existance, but we also know that reason is fake and gay and that it is only by expanding your powers that you can be happy. Read Nietzsche.
>>18762938>existence
>>18757421>But like, is it really that bad of a take?It's fine but it's cringe. >Without religious beliefs, what is the incentive for the human race to continue on? Does it really matter if it all goes away, and there’s nobody left to miss us? It doesn't matter but the "evil" in the world doesn't matter either. I personally enjoy having children. My main motivation is that I enjoy seeing my sons mog other kids.
>>18757434Or just him rather and we should kick it off a cliff and save the world some trouble.
>>18759562Thats not how it works. Priests aren't supposed to marry. What are you, dense?
>>18763234>Priests aren't supposed to marry.According to whom?
