>>18756320
Sexual Revolution only made public what was already normal lol. Incels don't understand this.
Muh pure virgin until I marry her waifu meme was never a norm, even the fucking Puritans knew that teenagers were off romping in the woods.
Stefan Zweig also talks about how prudish Viennese society was in the 1890s, but also how prevalent prostitution was everywhere and that the practice actually declined in prevalence throughout his lifetime.

>>18756327
This.
>>18756320
Don't worry OP. Your great grand mommy was probably a whore and your great grandad a cuck who had no other choice but to settle down with a whore

>>18756320
Would you buy a cup of coffee 7 other random guys have drank from.

>>18756320
more like
>if you don't want to buy a car that already has 200,000 miles, breakes down after your second trip and will cost you 500 grand in repair cost you are a EVIL INCEL

>>18756344
but you do use recycled products.
heck, the water you drink is recycled as well.
experienced women are just more eugenic as they're extroverted, bold, intelligent, sexy, healthy, virile, industrious and what not

>>18756344
This analogy is not applicable to a relationship with a real life woman.
>>18756348
This is your terminally online brain.

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>>18756320
so for people like you the only thing that counts in a relationship is sex?

also it seems like this just sets people up for miserable lifes
if you've test driven a dozen Mercedes but are now forced to settle for a Citroen you always will think about driving those Mercedes

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>>18756352
>it isn't applicable BECAUSE IT JUST ISN'T OK
>the analogy about HAVING to test-drive IS THOUGH OKE?!?

>>18756327
>uhm actually people having over a dozen partners by age 22 before the invention of the internet and contraception was totally normal chud
nigga stfu you lying faggot

>>18756351
>>18756352
You're friends?

>>18756351
>experienced women are just more eugenic
holy fucking cope

but whatever keeps you from 'acking yourself

>>18756360
High iq women do have staggeringly high body counts, especially after they graduate high school/college.
Being a whore in this day and age(and perhaps for the past 500 years) is a sign of peak aristocracy. Only genetically fit enough women can afford to be whores and it's no wonder other women are at awe at sexy, rich, healthy, high iq whores who can get away with anything they want, including triple digit bodycounts, and still secure a rich, blonde haired, blue eyed, 6'6, handsome husband.
Not able to partake in the sexual revolution is indeed a sign of innate genetic inferiority

>>18756354
A woman isn’t a cup of coffee chud.

>>18756362
We're all material enTITTIES, incel.

>>18756361
High body count means she can't pair bond and will probably strangle her child

>>18756380
used to be the case.
given that many mentally ill whores got filtered by killing their own children, all that we've left are highly virile, highly pro-natal, high iq, healthy, sexy, zesty whores, who're also chad-only. I love the fact that these whores managed to demographically replace prudes. Diogenes won and moralists & puritans lost. Suck it up.

>>18756351
>experienced women are just more eugenic as they're extroverted, bold, intelligent, sexy, healthy, virile, industrious and what not
This, the future is mullato

>>18756320
those dudes are all gay

>>18756354
I mean, yes.

>>18756320
Post sexual revolution attitudes to sex are 100x more traditional than fake and gay Victorian attitudes to sex that came up because of rampant venereal desease in the late 18th century. In the middle ages, it was common to have sex freely and before marriage, with the only caveat being that commoners were expected to marry the first women they impregnated. Fathers would typically allow their daughters to marry whoever they liked, so long as the guy wasn't a criminal or really disliked. Nobles could bang whoever, even when married. There might be a minor scandal when a bastard child is found out, but it was quite ordinary

>>18756348
What a stupid analogy. A car with 200000 miles is like any 40 year old women, not like a roastie. I'd rather marry a young hoe than an old virgin

>>18756356
It's true though. Why do you think even Medieval hyper-Christian societies had to do "purity tests" on women to guarantee legitimate paternity + secure property inheritance?

>>18756320
Because sexual sins are inside the body and irreversible. Those people never recovered because you can’t recover something once you invited it inside your body. Christians still have this. And no they don’t need the Roman Catholic Church nor Roman Catholic Protestantism. You just need Jesus. Jesus Christ represents how we are supposed to live and marry. Jesus Christ’s actual marriage is likely to never happen, he is also the one who never marries a bride because he did it for us. He is the Father and we are all his bride and children as the son. But the story of Jesus is still that “he goes to heaven to come back and marry his bride.” Meaning the Bible does teach to go to heaven and you will marry your bride. Lots of people teach all sorts of theology around the Bible. But the Bible contains all sorts of things people don’t think about that are much deeper.

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>>18756557
So you're saying Christians shouldn't have sex at all because Jesus didn't? Also
>He is the Father and we are all his bride and children as the son.
Is maybe the creepiest thing I've ever read on 4chan, so congrats on that

>>18756320
>do you think it would be appropriate to have people coom in a car every time they considered buying it?

You break it you buy it, simple, you break her hymen, you give her diamond.

>>18756494
uh no?
women are getting emotionally raped by predatory men and no one is allowed to do anything.

>>18756361
literally the opposite, intelligent women have less sex and reproduce less
lower IQ women have 3-5 kids and have sex way more often.

>>18756510
>In the middle ages, it was common to have sex freely and before marriage,
no actually the fews sources we have on this say women would do literally anything but lose their virginity lmfao.

You are just making shit up.
>nobles could bang whoever
are you aware nobles were literally exiled and stripped of titles and land for sleeping with too many commoner women without marrying them?
Happened to Childeric.

Why lie?
no really, why come here and type out your personal fantasy?

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>>18756566
>Is maybe the creepiest thing I've ever read on 4chan, so congrats on that

>>18756598
>lower IQ women have 3-5 kids and have sex way more often.

>>18754817
Case in point.

>>18756380
>Pretending a guy doesn't lose his job and responds by slaughtering his wife, kids, dog and then himself every couple of months and the newspapers put a picture of them all smiling on a jet ski while dancing around what happened and who did it

>>18756601
You saw that in a post here a few days ago and decided it was real

>>18756610
yes that woman was obviously stupid as shit and since she came from a family of eight probably genetically stupid. it's quite an unfortunate problem that high IQ is also antithetical to the survival of our species. in short you need to have the intelligence of a cement block to reproduce.

>>18756380
Women have always been whores by default and men have always been sloppy seconds cuckolds, and the women & men who weren't whores or sloppy seconds accepters got outbred by those who were. Whoredom is adaptive. Prudishness is maladaptive. Be a good little cuck as that's what nature demands you to be. Almost every single on the planet is like this, so you're no different.

>>18756640
as he said. you need to be dumb and fuck a lot to make more humans. if you're too smart to fuck a lot then no humans get made.

>>18756645
but we do need smart humans to breed like mad.
just because some smarties are emotionally retarded doesn't mean all have to be.

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>>18756680

Normal cattle will defend this behaviour until the next dictator comes and as revenge for being an incel he has his drones slaughter cattle en mass

>>18756645
thus there are a billion Indians because their average IQ is like 66 so they just fuck anything that moves with zero thought beyond their next orgasm

>>18756544
a lot of medieval kings were fathered by the servant boy or something doing the queen and they just assumed he must actually be the king's child

>>18756652
>implying incel subhumans will ever get their hands on the red button
you're not very bright are you?
besides, incels themselves are children of prostitutes & cowardly, desperate cuckolds, so not only would it be hypocritical of them to blow shit up, but it would also be unlikely to see shit blowing up like given that they carry the sheepishness of their sloppy seconds accepting daddies & grand daddies

DNA testing exposed a lot of horrible truths about boomers moms being the town bicycle. just in case you thought 50s people were so wholesomearino.

>>18756680
>>implying incel subhumans will ever get their hands on the red button
incel subhumans are why everything is fucked up lmfao.
you look at the pile of medical problems and failsons that is the modern political elite and you think incels arent ruining everything?
incels use terror and manipulation to reach the top.
>but le heckin alt right incels
yes, incels among the non-elite are a new phenomena, a renegade elite.

only an incel has the time to dedicate their life to attaining power and reaching the proverbial red button.

>>18756685
this.
harlotry was and will always be an integral part of Western culture. One can only see massive reduction in harlotry only after whores get actively culled from the genepool for several generations

>>18756685
>just in case you thought 50s people were so wholesomearino.
well they certainly werent hitting double digit bodycounts in middle school lmfao.

What did DNA testing expose?
a third of children at best?
Those are good odds considering 90% of children today are born of scandals.
maybe those racists were right after

>>18756685
>boomer be like "i always wondered why my brother Gene looked so different from the rest of us and why he looked like the guy who used to tune our piano."

>>18756698
a lot of people just don't bother trying to uncover nasty secrets as humans seem to innately know that finding it out will not only expose their bastard history, but would also make others look down on them and rightfully so as they're also outing themselves as a descendant of a cheater who may very well be carrying genes associated with treachery.

>>18756320
Technically illegal recreational drugs, the only way to devalue the fomo.

>>18756685
women are automata that operate on a very simple set of pre-programmed actions. do not attribute much conscious thought to them.

>>18756685
>>18756702
the worst was the cuck kind of husbands who let them do it

>>18756557
It's irreversible because it's something you can ask about without asking. In heaven is no giving to marriage verse. Anything that is not said definitively in the Bible treated definitively reeks jewboomer so we don't even know of Jesus' marital status. There are verses saying things directly and for that one there is nothing.

>>18756694
>50 years of liberal decadence havent changed female behavior at all
????????

>>18756707
>a lot of people dont bother
yes they do, in fact we have good data on this because they do.
>nasty secrets
nasty secrets?
infidelity has been taboo and frowned upon for all of human history by everyone.
These things have always been ruthlessly pursued to a conclusion.
>its about status and appearance
youre a fucking liberal I knew it lmfao.
projecting your bourgeois idea of the bourgeois onto them.
People care more about being cucked than about being seen as a cuck.
You would know this if your mutational load wasnt israeli tier dysgenic.

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Place your bets ladies and gent, is op going to turn out a Mexican or an indian?

>>18756770
I'm just a realistic observer and I could care less about political ideologies. You could perhaps put me in the heredeterian camp.
>>18756762
You think parents wouldn't keep it secret from their neighbours if their own daughter got outed as a whore? You think the daughter wouldn't rat out her own whore mom? Harlotry became integral to the West because men tolerated it and women were reasonably discreet about it, for more than a millenia. Arabia did have it's own harlot menace, but they soon adopted drastic measures to curb it.

Who gives a fuck what sexhavers do

>>18756797
those who care about their own genetic survival and the way in which the genepool is transforming into, will.

>>18756808
people who harp on about "genetics" are antisocial terminally online spergs who dont procreate anyway though...

>>18756688
>yes, incels among the non-elite are a new phenomena, a renegade elite.
You don't know what you are talking about,nta.

>women use a car metaphor to explain why having sexual experience is good
>but don't like the car metaphor when I point out that I cars are property, and don't have any choice about who they are owned by

>>18756621
>whataboutguize
It's a similar dynamic for both genders but slightly worse for women

>>18756640
>women have always
Not true, and men weren't always pathetic like you either. You seem to be suffering from a bad case of presentism

>>18756399
>highly pro-natal whores
>high iq whores
A whore is a whore son. She could be the most fertile and beautiful person in the world, but she's still a whore. Stay away from whores. The women your mother warned you about are really that bad, if not wose.

>>18756601
>sleeping with too many commoner women
Should have specified that you shouldn't cross estate lines. Yet somehow you didn't engage with the actual argument. Curious.
>no actually the fews sources we have on this say women would do literally anything but lose their virginity lmfao.
De facto that didn't fucking happen tho. Yeah pope Sneedchuckius LXVII might proclaim an edict saying that, but Hans in some village in feudal Lower Saxony didn't exactly follow those rules. Classic fuck-up on the is-ought distinction for you. If you were right and I wasn't, then why did syphilis spread like wildfire in early modern Europe?

>>18756745
Says you. No, I don’t need internet mainstream media telling me what the Bible says. Or even other 4channers.

It’s very easily understood that the story of Jesus is about a marriage , and it does explicitely say it is unless you read from Paul who was embarrassed. Jesus never was, though. I understand it, so why don’t you or most people? I know that the Bible is about an eternal marriage, and it always was from the very start. The moment the Bible was about the eternal marriage being broken up due to sin, it was telling you God doesn’t want marriage to ever end and neither does God want His relationship with you to end. So God wants all relationships to be relationships of love. With your marriage to Jesus Christ being eternal by being a saved Christian firstly, and secondly Jesu Christ commanded husbands to love their wives with the same sacrificial love he gave for the church, but for a husband’s love for his wife. Does that shatter your expectations of marriage? Were you simply looking at marriage as a pile of shit that was temporary? Jesus Christ told you, no, it’s eternal, and you are expected to worship not only Jesus’ blood in heaven, but we will worship and sing about the blood in heaven for eternity. Including the relationships that count towards marriage to your wife also.
“But Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven one time on the Bible, explicitly!” It wasn’t explicit, Jesus was saying that in direct judgement of Jews who brought to Jesus a trick question scenario. “According to God’s laws from Moses, Jews who are trying to give birth to the messiah have to marry their brother’s wife in case she never had a son! So who gets her?! (Long Jew nose cackling)” out of the seven who all tried to give her a son, they all died. So they questioned Jesus, “what happens now!? Huh!? Whose soul is what now!?”
According to if you were a Jew, this had nothing to do with an Adam and Eve marriage of Designed by God -

It was instead a marriage as defined by Jews who were to by law give birth to the Messiah of the promise of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses , David. It was a marriage as defined by the Old Covenant. Which we find that had waned (th Bible’s own terminology for the OC), it is not waxing like a moon, it has waned to the point where the Ot is now gone. And you can’t get it back again. Not unless you ask for it in the name of Jesus Christ first, which is by good news also being offered unto you with extended hands from God though the gospel, entirely for free. And also how much you wanto bet you gave me a negative response with mainstream jargon understanding of marriage because I said it doesn’t need the roman tranny substantiation believing church, nor the Protestant church? I’m a Baptist so we never were Protestant and have always existed from the beginning as kjv bible believing Christians. And even more so I am simply a reader and hearer of the kjv bible, all 66 books, meaning this comes directly from the Word. Which is a lot deeper than your mainstream verses and understanding of that Jewnose scenario of the trick question. Jesus also said I am above the angels, whereas those Jews he judged as beneath them. By the way, my judgement in heaven when I am above them as a saved by the blood Christian will remain even after I die. I know I have an eternal marriage with my wife also, as does everyone. The only people who don’t are because of a loss because they didn’t truly love their wife.

women are real easy to get to cheat, even married ones lol

>>18756327
TRVKE. One of the most well-known pieces of anticlerical satire was the second story of the ninth day from Giovanni Boccaccio‘s Decameron. A young nun sneaks her lover into the convent. When the other nuns spy on her and learn of her affair, they report to the mother superior, who is also found in bed with a priest. The story was essentially making fun of the practice of clerical celibacy, claiming it was a joke.

>>18756566
Jesus Christ said you have to eat my body and drink my blood. And it creeped out everyone. So yes, Jesus Christ is God and Lord and Savior all at once. I worship the true and only God and if you are terrified because He is also the only loving God , it means you don’t understand who He is and why He died for you. It’s good that you are freaked out, I don’t want someone else getting the wrong idea of who and what God is. He is inside of you and hears even your very thoughts of the heart that you have never spoken. Every single one. He intimately designed you and me knitting you on a personal intimate level when you were even still the in the womb, and designed you before you were even born or formed in the womb. With infinite understanding and knowledge and limitlesss power as Creator. As for sex, the marriage bed of one man to one wife is undefiled. It is a private place of exploration that God sees as blameless, but it is only reserved for a man of one wife. If he does any thing else, or she, then Satan / the Devil is allowed to enter and bring blame to a household. Jesus Christ’s blood can pay for sin, but sexual sins are different and they enter in through the body, and are different from all other sins. If you steal, this is outside of the body. If you commit a sexual sin of even looking at a woman, then it is inside the body and irreversible. However, the soul is what Jesus’ blood washes over. A husband and wife is a spiritual union, and it can have all the sex it wants in the sanctified marriage bed. But it never is about a carnal union. I want to be with my wife and I am with her on a daily basis in the spirit. My flesh wants that just as much, but it is the spirit that is about God.

>>18756327
People who think this are genuinely retarded. My both parents were virgins until they married each other, the same goes for older generations. There was always some men cheating on their wives, but it was mainly with other loose women or prostitutes. There isn't a single period in history were fucking around for women was normalized.

Post-hippie brainwashing simply spread to the entire parts of the country with the power of media. Back then the countryside was still relatively conservative but after 2000 they are also lost.

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>>18757145
>There isn't a single period in history were fucking around for women was normalized.
You didn't read the Prostitution part, eh? The joke "world's oldest profession" exists across cultures for a reason lmao.
Maybe some American hicks in the hills and frontier were like that, but in EVROPA pretty much all men were getting their dick wet with hoes. More refined Bordellos having secret rooms and entrances for high-end customers from the nobility is also a recurring trip for a reason.
>that time Zweig mentions bourgeoise Viennese fathers hiring attractive maids to teach their sons how to have sex + keep them satiated so they don't go around getting STDs from cheaper street whores

It's quite shocking how clueless so many anons in this thread are, talking as if sex dynamics weren't so different before the sexual revolution. I grew up in a rather conservative country at a time when society had traditional gender roles and mothers were strictly housewives, except for a small, overeducated group of women. Women were expected to be virgins, and in many cases men were too, unless they visited prostitutes or had a fling with a loose girl. Within my lifetime, I've watched this structure be completely destroyed and gender roles taken exactly from the West. Now all women work and fuck around. Marriage doesn't mean much, and it's normalized to fuck and live together without getting married. And it all happened in a generation or two.

I guess it's been around for the entire lifetime of anons and they assume this always been the case. But I can assure it's not, and it was not the case in your grandparents generation.

>>18757156
Men and women are not the same.
Men and women not being virgins don't have the same implications.
Men going to prostitutes and women fucking around are not the same things.
Men cheating around in the past doesn't mean that was a morally acceptable behavior.

>>18757105
Holy shit Christianity is creepy as Hell

>>18757270
Not as much as your demon elephant man god, dude.

>>18757282
>Everyone who isn't a Christian is a Hindu
That's a pretty insane leap of logic. I'm not saying Hinduism is any less creepy than Christianity, but the incestuous themes you've highlighted certainly make Christianity at least just as creepy as what the jeets believe in

>>18756327
>some people broke the law so therefore throw out the law
mega midwit

>>18757408
So that’s why you prefer men?

>>18757033
>the actual argument
what argument?
no argument was made, nonsensical claims were posted without any evidence.
>curious
reddit.
>defacto that didnt fucking happen tho
Why does the existence of chastity make you so angry?
What are you defending against?
Do you feel less dirty if you believe everyone is a sexual degenerate?

Rest of your post is nonsensical and claiming that syphilis, a disease from highly urbanized environments in the modern era is evidence against the sources which state pre-moderns were chaste to an extreme degree.

Syphilitic outbreaks were typically the result of prostitution among the working poor in trade-hub cities such as London, and the greatest extent was not even 1/3 of people.

An argument of my own, we can look at the average hunter gatherers today, they do not permit casual sex, they engage in monogamy, and they have non-existent STDs.

A healthy human being is going to get married young, to a virgin, as a virgin, and mate for life.

If this makes you angry well sorry, you must lay in the bed you make.

>>18756852
nah, I have been in elite circles, the health troubles and neurotic behaviors are identical to the incels like Fuentes and the Supreme Gentleman.
Elliot was himself apart of the Elite strata lol.

>>18756782
>realistic observer
>engages in fantasy speculation
????
>you think
can you stop this "really bro you really think this bro??"
Bring some actual data.
We know that paternity fraud is more common among certain groups than others and more common due to certain circumstances than others.
To claim its "built-in" to human behavior is absolutely ludicrous.
>became integral
integral means the West could not exist without it, the West predating it and the fact it isnt absolutely pervasive means NO it is not "integral to the West" in the way say Sacred Marriage is integral to the West.

Are you poor?
What was your income growing up?
My parent's both made six figures and I grew up in a neighborhood where everyone's parents made six figures.
People werent sleeping around until they were in college and even then about half of them were married out of highschool and were virgins at marriage.

Maybe youre a subhuman among subhumans?
We know blacks basically never get married as virgins and black girls get fucked at 12+
We know jewish girls get blown out unless theyre in a religious orthodox compound.

Are you apart of these high-risk communities?

>>18756327
You're an idiot.

>>18756339
>Your great grand mommy was probably a whore and your great grandad a cuck who had no other choice but to settle down with a whore
I'm Arab so this is impossible, you are making your race sound like cucks. Have some honour

>>18756327
Anon you are just a low value cuck and you cope by this by telling yourself that everyone were cucks so it now makes it alright or something that you will settle down for a whore.
This is the truth.

>>18756362
A woman a piece of flesh to insert your penis into

>>18756380
Why are women physiologically defective like this? Guys who have lots of sex don't strangle their kids.

>>18756688
>incel subhumans are why everything is fucked up lmfao.
Hardly. Thats a dumb female opinion.

>>18757085
People like you need your testicles removed. You're probably black, too.

>>18757512
The theory is that they are chemically changed by the semen of previous partners.

>>18757478
>Have some honour
fake and gay
>Arab
double whammy. Not only were your maternal ancestors uber whores but your paternal ancestors were cucks who also got their power bottoms thoroughly pumped and dumped by desert didys

>>18756327
fpbp, everyone disagreeing is an insecure tradlarper who doesn't have enough worldly experience to know what the hell he's talking about

>>18757648
still, legalized porn and birth control did change a lot of things. fear of unwanted/out of wedlock pregnancy was once the only thing restraining women.

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>>18757437
ok retard

>>18757690
Why is the sample size for the 2010s so much smaller than the 80s-2000s?

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>>18757024
>A whore is a whore son. She could be the most fertile and beautiful person in the world, but she's still a whore
hate to break this to u, but when the rubber meets the road in terms of human capability, a eugenic whore will always be infinitely more valuable than a virgin femcel. No amount of "oH buT MY chiLdReN aReN't wHorEsONs or WhOReDAughTerS nOr aRe ThEy tHe ChIlDrEN of A SLOppY SEcOnDS AccEpTInG FathEr" copes will stand up or survive when genetic survival and genetic quality is on the line. Whores and sloppy seconds enjoyers will always win

All the arrogant faggots I know IRL who mock others for holding sexual and moral standards are divorced and atomized. The whole mythology of everyone being secretly depraved and fucking in secret is a useful fiction for the losers with no self control who can't help but live that way.

What it used to be is the absolute dregs of society fucking anything and being diseased. The lower classes stumbling into sex at 20, getting pregnant and doing the right thing as a family and sticking together, the upwardly mobile middle class remaining sexless until 25 or so before getting married, and the rich marrying youngish and having mistresses.

In the 17th century the average age of marriage for peasant woman rose to like 27 years old in many areas. Yes they practiced self control, and were fucked if they didn't.

>>18756327
Maybe in the West. You’d unironically be beheaded for having premarital sex in the Middle East (as a woman, I imagine punishment for men was more lenient)

>>18757156
90% of the population lived in villages of 300 to 500 people, with zero access to prostitutes. Prostitutes were at fairs, market towns, ports and cities. The only places they were frequent was where they were rife with disease and sub replacement fertility.

So no the average person didnt have access to whores.

>>18757790
Nice fucking cope you've got there mate. Ever heard of "temporary marriages" i.e. one night stands that get repackaged as temporary halal marriages?
Moreover, vast majority of "whores" in the middle east don't drink, smoke, have tattoos or any other traditional vices either. If you actually think about it, it kind of makes sense as harlotry has always been a quintessential part of our primate history & evolution

>>18757787
>The whole mythology of everyone being secretly depraved and fucking in secret
Except it's the women who're all fucking in secret while men like you are clueless af or pretending that it doesn't exist for the sake of preserving your sanity. Faggots like you who're willfully blind cuckolds just goes to show how innate cuckoldry acceptance is in the males of primates.

>>18757778
You couldn't be more wrong. But if you want to ruin your life and your bloodline go ahead and marry a blown out hole

>>18756327
>Everyone in history was a tranny like me!

>>18756327
>Born into a Jewish family, Zweig was raised in Vienna, Austria-Hungary
oh wow it took me 5 seconds to guess that, and to assume that the rest of the crap you read is all cucked faggotry too

>>18757145
>My both parents were virgins until they married each other
No, your parents told you that they were both virgins until they married each other which is a weird thing to tell your child.

>>18756327
>t. Goonbrained Coomer

>>18758257
>go ahead and marry a blown out hole
your father literally did that and here you're

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why do we either have to enforce strict pre-marital celibacy or let everyone be promiscuous whores?

>>18758456
>t. projecting hooknose
Your "father" did that and look how you turned out. I am trying to prevent more of this happening.

>>18757690
>plurality of women are virgins when meeting their husbands
you proved his point.

>>18756677
>a lot of medieval kings were fathered by the servant boy or something doing the queen
[citation needed]
I see we are just making things up.

What's really cool is we have DNA from ancient Kings and their claimed descendants have overwhelmingly proved a contiguous descent.
The cadet branches and the current would-be monarchs almost uniformly are provably descended from their early medieval ancestors who were tested.

so make that make sense, you claim "a lot" of kings were cucked, but somehow they all manage to pass the paternity testing of modern DNA??????

>>18756544
>It's true though. Why do you think even Medieval hyper-Christian societies had to do "purity tests" on women to guarantee legitimate paternity + secure property inheritance?
They didnt.
Stop reading Handmaid's tale, that is pornography for women, youre not a woman and never will be.
>>18756327
>incels
who?
>made public
made public?

I have seen first hand that pre-internet girls are far less likely to lose their virginity prior to getting married or becoming mid to late 20s adults.
hypergamy is not the norm and is only possible via technology, birth control, and the welfare state.

>>18757805
If whoring around was apart of our history then women wouldnt fear its label and men wouldnt hate it with a passion.
It is a product of decadence, like being fat is.
and we know (You)re fat.

>>18759123
The numbers doesn't even take into account that women blatantly lie about their past all the bloody time.

>>18759128
ancient DNA is worthless, it degrades quickly

>>18759138
lying about harlotry has also been a part of our history for the sake of preserving social order & stability. "Harlotry" is far older than disgust for it in our evolutionary history and it is very likely that fear of being judged as a whore and henceforth blatantly lying instinctually evolved on top of this older instinct

>>18759212
no one wants to look at their boomer grandpa's family photo album from the 50s and notice that one sibling looks strangely not like the others

>>18757810
It's your fault if you never ask without asking. They'll give themselves away every time.

>>18756339
lol history is so gay just juggas making shit up. no OP whores we’re mostly a modern invention don’t listen to the indians and jews on this board. NISSIAN Z RISE UP

>>18756361
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>>18759172
>the middle ages are ancient
LOL
we can get high quality DNA from the fucking paleolithic.
and no, Y DNA, the thing paternity tests rely on, are the last to deteriorate.

DNA disproves you, so you attack DNA. typical lefty, if the evidence doesnt support the theory, discard the evidence.
>>18759224
>one sibling looks different from the other
this literally never happens lmao.
>"i-it happened in m-my family"
I am unsurprised :)
>>18759212
>lying about harlotry has also been a part of our history for the sake of preserving social order & stability.
nope.
It has never ever been widespread in any society.
No community can survive unchecked widespread infidelity/hypergamy.
>harlotry is far older
"harlotry" literally cannot exist in Hunter Gatherer bands, which is what a few people are today, most were 4,500 years ago, and 100% of people were 12,000 years ago.
>evolved on top of this older instinct
and yet it is absent in the majority of families and seems to exist SOLELY in late stage decadence.

>b-but I believe it
your personal feelings are not evidence.

Humans arent meant to be degenerate, we have an evolved aversion to degeneracy specifically because it is SELECTED AGAINST it is deleterious and inhibits healthy reproduction.

in short, if casual sex was "supposed" to occur, it wouldnt have evolved evolutionary counter-mechanisms observed in pre-mammalians LOL.

>>18758335
What kind of degenerate shithole do you live in where this is so unfeasible it has to be made up?

>>18759492
>No community can survive unchecked widespread infidelity/hypergamy.
France has had that proud tradition for more than a 1000 years and it's still working fine.
Yookay has had it even before Romans set their foot on that Island.
>Humans arent meant to be degenerate
We kind of are, unless of course society magically decides to cull it's promiscuous women & men each generation so that their genes associated with promiscuity gets reduced massively .
>"harlotry" literally cannot exist in Hunter Gatherer bands
It literally has to exist in such bands as males will have no other choice but to pick up new mates when they venture into newer lands or raid newer tribes and females will have no other choice but to accept another male within the tribe or a raiders acking the males of her tribe.

>>18756327
yeah this is 100 percent true

ill never forget when I read Measure for Measure by Shakespeare for the first time. In the plot of the play a temporary duke is appointed to rule over a city, and this new duke decides to actually start enforcing the law that youll be arrested if you have pre marital sex. But everyone in the play starts getting confused and indignant. They were all saying that if the new duke wants to start arresting people for having extra marital sex then he is basically gonna have to arrest the whole city.

And this play was written in the early 1600s. Even back then basically everyone was fucking before marriage. It was basically something everyone knew happened it just wasn't acceptable to talk about it out loud.

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>>18756327
Kys retard. Next you'll say you think every "homophobe" is secretly gay and that parents NEED to let their daughters go to frat houses or else they'll resent them.

>>18759909
Gentiles never new rigtheouness. They always vehemently reject it when presented with it.

>>18756327
"ERRRRMMM DURRR UHHH U NO DAT HUMAN BEING R SEXUAL CREATURE...? UHH GUY, PPL LIKE TO HAVE SECKS U NO? DOOOOIIIII"

Posting this like its some kind of hottake. KYS midwit redditor nihilist.

>>18756354
Bodied that freak.

>>18759991
>implying the tribe is some morally righteous force when they themselves were at epicenter of global lechery
All women and men will always be degenerate and there's nothing you can do about it. It's a force of nature that can't be stopped. Some men and a lot of women get to enjoy their feral side, while the vast majority of men cannot simply because they're genetically inferior, atleast in the eyes of women who do hold all the cards.
>muh rape
except you cannot do that in this day & age can you?
>>18756327
>>18756351
based. impotent losers gonna lose as they can neither rape & get away with it, nor use outdated morality as a veil to cover their impotency & cowardice

>babbling about "muh genetics" to justify retarded takes

>>18760051
He who reproduces is he who shapes society.
You're not passing down your genes but chads & women are. Sorry to be you incel

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>>18769100

The bible consistently tells us that sin is human nature. Everyone has sinned and falls short of God. Everyone is an unclean rag before god. The point is that we have a choice to make.


Why is it that this is used by the atheist to argue in favor of sin? It is an easily dismissed logical fallacy to argue that because sin is natural, it should not be avoided.

>>18756351
I’m not sure about that but I wouldn’t doubt that the character of the wife of bath is not bad at practicing eudaemonia from the narration and the stories that the wife of bath tells

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>>18760120
What's up western men tolerating cheating, lying, scheming women instead of stoning them to death?

>>18757270
>>18757284
I wasn’t that anon who said you were Hindu, but you claimed I highlighted incestuous themes and no, there is no incest in there anywhere of what I wrote. I was highlighting God’s omnipotence, omnipresence, and infinite knowledge and understanding and limitless power qualities of that He is inside of you (and therefore, God knows your nakedness and thoughts of nakedness on an intimate level, even better than you, He even knows what your subconscious brain part of you has ever thought). I said if Jesus Christ and the truth terrifies you, good, because I don’t want you thinking any different than the truth. If truth and light terrifies them then that means they live in darkness.

Timmycels be like:
>I LOVE BEING KEKOLDED SO MUCH THAT I JUSTIFY BEING MR SLOPPY SECONDS

>>18760534
You're no better either mehmet/pajeet.
Your women keep it hush-hush and ours don't

Puritanism was a mistake

>>18760637
Or it's just a consequence of higher cognition, elevated disgust sensitivity and perhaps an innate longing to the divine(logos), as compared to our animal brethern.
I'm an atheist jsyk, before you start accusing me of being a christcuck

>>18759568
>France has had that proud tradition for more than a 1000 years and it's still working fine.
The libertine French are currently being replaced with conservative, anti-premarital sex Arabs, so perhaps this is evidence that premarital sex doesn’t work out for a civilization in the long run

>>18760758
conservative arabs are leaving at record numbers and the liberal types are aborbing into the 'debaucherous' libertine culture with BWC bleaching fatimahs like crazy

>>18760822
>conservative arabs are leaving at record numbers
I don’t believe this, show some evidence

>>18757478
Medieval Muslim accounts say tribes in Arabia offered their wives to male guests.

>>18756327
>>18756320
Before birth control, women couldn't afford to be whores because having even one bastard out of wedlock meant totally ruining the rest of their life.

>>18756320
>Would you pay the priceof a new car for a used one?

>>18760858
it would have stopped most extramarital sex; not necessarily preventing wives from cheating of course

>>18760879
but le based trad bros still pay the full price for recycled goods.
>>18760858
Cope. Women and men were smart enough to avoid pregnancy in their promiscuous spree. Free love was always a quintessential part of Western Europe

>>18760885
The only thing that stops adultery is the fear of God. When men are made aware and believe that God will send them to hell for sleeping with another man's wife they dont dare even lust after one.

But the proud fears nothing and think it is a virtue.

>>18760841
their slaves*

>>18757640
porn brained

The sexual revolution makes incel chuds furious because women actually have a choice now whereas in the past women used to be property traded between fathers and families. That being said, the puritan, Victorian attitude towards sex that has prevailed since the 1800s is simply not the historical norm anywhere in the world. Additionally, the seething chuds of today would be similarly incelibate in the past because women still wouldn't want to fuck them and their social awkwardness would not make them attractive suitors.

A common cope from the incels that I see is "well she wouldn't have a choice to have sex if I married her", but they fail to consider that her father could and would beat your ass if you were abusing or raping your wife/his daughter. It would be a public scandal in a village or town where almost everyone would know eachother.

>>18756320
the sexual revolution was a communist ploy to destabilize the west with anti-Christian life styles.
the issue is that instead of the church having a genuine conversation with the opposite side, and realizing that the bible does not forbid sexual information, instead the church doubled down on their man made traditions.
the sexual revolution wouldn't have done near as much damage if the church had started accepting sexual knowledge, but through the restrained filter of Christianity.
only now is the nation starting to realize that hookup culture is one of the worst things to come out of the commie-sexual revolution.

>>18760930
>The sexual revolution makes incel chuds furious because women actually have a choice now whereas in the past women used to be property traded between fathers and families.
and now we have a single mother epidemic, the sexual revolution fixed women!

>>18760966
You're clearly conflating two different problems. 47% of black mothers in USA are single parents versus 8% of Asians. But keep grasping at straws here to justify your loopy viewpoints.

>>18761071
socialist democrats in the US pushed for black women not to have fathers in the house so they could claim more in benefits...
no loopholes, only calling out your evil communist ass.

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If 100 people test drove a car and didn't buy it, why should I even look at it?

>>18760904
Nope, their wives

https://x.com/Loaininja/status/1832817965617774878

https://x.com/r8moon/status/1990017721426211071

https://x.com/Lmfoa_lol/status/1803774542323622015

>>18761100
Schizo nonsense, go back to /x/ and take your meds.

>>18756327
What about nowadays where age gaps are extremely demonized. You can’t sleep with an 18 year old at 25+. Before 2020 it was completely fine

>>18760288
KEK, the duality of man

>>18756327
Shut up!

>>18762321
That's a fact. It's no wonder that many works of literature since the 1300s, were dedicated to the subject of foid infidelity & her innate tendency to be a whore

>>18760930
>women actually have a choice
They always had a choice.
>used to be property
Women and Men both had the same rights, and both were vastly happier and less likely to be lonely.
>not the historical norm
L O L
Its the norm in hunter gatherer societies T O D A Y
hypergamy is SOLELY the result of birth control and the welfare state, these are totally unnatural things.
>victorian puritan
this isnt a thing.
>chuds today would be incels in the past
what does this even mean?
70% of men today would be incels in the past? Why werent 70% of men in the past incels?

>only chuds are mad
everyone is mad, the women especially.

Do lefties like not understand women are the unhappiest they have ever been??


make that make sense, the more "freedom" women have the less they report being happy.

>>18760841
may we see these accounts?

>>18757792
>So no the average person didnt have access to whores.
Depending on the where and when this is wildly inaccurate. In late medieval England, for example, there are LOADS of cases in rural courts where the defendants are men being charged as bawds. Plenty of women who didn't have any expectation of a good marriage - including and especially women who were widows or were abandoned by their husbands or were orphaned and had no dowry - occasionally engaged in prostitution, especially for goods. There's an example of this in fucking CHAUCER, for god's sake. I can't remember it verbatim but it talks about a traveler giving "gifts" to a rural woman and then it goes on "and he offered her coin, for he was from the town" or something like that.

>>18757592
Sounds they're defective then

>>18760027
Men should be able to fuck whomever they want. Rape is a social construct.

>>18763209
>Women and Men both had the same rights
fake take

>>18760027
>All women and men will always be degenerate
then explain why they arent/
>nothing you can do about it
yet "puritanism" existed and even then that was an extreme, the norm is just getting married as young virgins.
>its a force of nature
if it was a force of nature then it wouldnt require a welfare state to exist.
>theyre genetically inferior
genetic inferior/superior suddenly exists now? got it. when can we get rid of non-Whites?
>outdated morality
you mean liberalism? which is unable to reproduce itself as the "chud" races are replacing the libertine races.
>>18760065
No, theyre not.
Chads and women arent having any kids.
Its chuds managing 2.7 kids while liberals and chads and stacies have a fucking .8 fertility rate.

We are watching the harshest selection imaginable and its sacking out promiscuous people.
The biggest problem is people arent naturally promiscuous, liberalism, social media, hypergamy have now forced anti-promiscuity genotypes to replace the phenotypic 'norm'.

It is ultimately a self correct problem, the tragedy is that shitlibs like (You) are forcing a lot of people to suffer unnecessarily.

We could just go back to the equilibrium of "outdated morality" e.g. morality that actually worked.

You fought nature, and you lost, lefties always lose because lefties advocate for their own replacement. mental children.

>>18759909
>this Shakespeare play which I didnt even recite correctly (no, they didnt say the entire city was sleeping around) said people had sex therefore we cannot have functional self-policing, the welfare-security state must ensure negative fertility policies
?????????????????????
Like why?
Why?
human behavior is malleable, I mean, you dont think black people are poor and stupid for biological reasons do you? its the product of material conditions like racism right RIGHT??

>everyone was fucking before marriage
1.
no they werent.
2.
they were getting married to the people who took their virginity.
3.
WE KNOW THIS because we can observe it in traditional societies that exist TODAY.
>something everyone knew happened
This is like claiming that aliens exist because you saw it in a marvel film or that gays are 1/3 of the population because they were 1/3 of the hobbit protagonists.

>>18759568
>more than a 1000 years
nope.
It is extremely recent, like began last century recent.
Why didnt you know that?
French women were beaten to death for sleeping with German soldiers lol.
sexual morality was HUGE in France.
>working fine
the French went extinct so it cannot be working.
>we kind of are
nope. If we were, then we would be fine with it, it would also produce good outcomes, but it doesnt.
It also requires an immense amount of resources to sustain.
Can a foid just go out and get pregnant and hunt and gather her own food?
no.
>genes associated with promiscuity
such genes HAVE been culled, its why promiscuity is ONLY possible in weird feedback loops from an extreme environment such as the welfare-security state.
>it literally has to exist
you are retarded.
>no other choice but to pick new mates
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? THEY ARENT LEAVING BEHIND THEIR WOMEN YOU FUCKING MORON
>raid
raid?
RAID????
We can observe hunter gatherers today.
Do you like not understand that we have done multigenerational studies on hunter gatherers???

Why the fuck do you post about a topic you know LITERALLY NOTHING about?????

>>18763243
nope.
Its correct. Both men and women had identical rights.
those rights being non-existent, which mean there was no abstract legal code that fucked up normal human behaviors and forced people into insane extreme behavioral sinks such as the one we live in today.
>>18763238
These lefties dont realize that the "hypergamy is female nature, chud!" cuts both way, rape is male nature.

lefties are just anti-human, anti-male.

Men give up the raping, women give up the hypergamy, its that simple.
We can put nature away and get along.

Or we can be adults and admit men and women compliment each other and apart of that complementarity is chastity.

Literally no one is happier after accruing emotional baggage and being unable to share firsts with their spouse.

>>18763266
>We are watching the harshest selection imaginable and its sacking out promiscuous people.
It's lily white, college educated, uber whores who've the highest fertility rate retard. Non-college educated women have the lowest fertility in the West

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>>18763575
>It's lily white, college educated, uber whores who've the highest fertility rate
>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr70/nvsr70-05-508.pdf
>Total Fertility Rates, by Maternal Educational
Attainment and Race and Hispanic Origin:
United States, 2019
>12th grade or less: 3,025 births per 1,000 women (highest among all education groups)
>High school diploma/GED: ~2,500 per 1,000
>Associate’s degree: ~1,800 per 1,000
>Bachelor’s degree: ~1,600 per 1,000
>Master’s degree: ~1,038 per 1,000 (lowest among all groups)
>Doctorate/professional degree: ~1,500 per 1,000 (slightly higher than master’s)
>The pattern shows a steady decline from the lowest to highest education levels, with a modest uptick for women with doctorates

>The pattern shows a steady decline from the lowest to highest education levels

>https://strengtheningfamilies.nd.edu/news/latest-news/fertility-decline-is-broad-based-across-education-levels-2/
>While the CDC’s national reports focus on education, Census Bureau and research briefs show that income and education are closely linked in fertility patterns. Women in higher-income brackets — often correlated with higher education — tend to have lower fertility rates than those in lower-income brackets

>https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/p/2022-07-08-the-decline-in-fertility-the-role-of-marriage-and-education/
>Timing of marriage, and particularly whether a woman marries younger or older, has historically been a strong indicator of women’s fertility patterns. Figure 1 depicts age-specific marriage rates among women of childrearing age in 5-year age cohorts from 2006 to 2019, calculated from the American Community Survey (ACS).


The most fertile demographic
>married
>uneducated
>poor

the least fertile demographic
>unmarried
>highly educated
>wealthy

Why did you lie?

>>18761209
>One tribe in Yemen did this so the whole Arab whole did this
nice work dumbass

>>18765370
world* typo

>>18756327
>(((Stefan Zweig))) also talks about
oh does he? curious, it never occurred to me to care what some random kike rat has to say about things

>>18756327
prossies do not equal widespread whoredom, some of the fucking redditors here have no fucking discernment

there are some deviants itt trying to rewrite history and pretend everyone in history was a fag/whore is it out of guilt or malice?

>>18756320
Don't most people buy cars without driving them first?

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>>18756327
>All these seething replies
Holy shit he pinched a nerve hahaha

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>>18758332
>he had to Google Zweig
>One of the most prolific and widely read German language authors of the 20th century
This board really is inhabited by Americans, Indians, and Philistines in general.

>>18765597
You're the ones trying to rewrite history and make everyone a seething little angsty sexless dweeb who was too scared to talk to women in his pubescent years lmao.
The overwhelming majority of people are socially capable enough to partake in this (almost) universal human experience. This website has been infamous for being full of societal rejects and misfits, not "normies".

>>18756351
>experienced women are just more eugenic as they're extroverted, bold, intelligent, sexy, healthy, virile, industrious and what not
Experienced women waste their lives getting experience and never want to settle down. If you can't come down with the goods, don't go up the mountain.

Fuck, reading this entire thread I only have 1 question. Why are the ones defending whores and men being cucked and never ever fucking a virgin so happy and celebrating???

Like yeah, I see your sources, women were always whores and almost nobody remained a virgin even in the past. But why are you happy and celebrating? You should be explaining these things with extreme sadness and dread. These are horrible things about human nature and our history. A society is only good when a virgin woman marries a man that loves her and they form a happy family and live happily until old age together. The sexual liberation movement destroyed that completely. Look how fucking unhappy the most promiscuous women are for fucks sake

>>18766116
We're a tournament species. Monogamy and paternal investment is gay. Take the Baboon pill

>>18759991
Lot's daughters drugrape their father. Esther prostitutes herself to a goy king for political clout. Abraham in the cuckchair while his wife makes the pharaOh-face.
Pretending you faggots were ever arbitors of sexual morality is hilarious.

>>18765618
Same feeling with the chinkspammers

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>>18763292
What are you on about. Women used to be handed from the father's household to the husband's household, unless they'd get captured and hauled away in a raid. And that was a good thing.

We need to revive that, institute elite hyperpolygyny and then castrate the incels or send them off to get warbrides elsewhere. Then we'll be back on track in a jiffy.

>>18765619
Shalom. I have a different German language author of the 20th century you should read. Nice paintings too.

>>18766116
Put down the christfaggery for a minute, that'll help.

>>18766226
>Not wanting to be a cuck
>you da hecking Christfag!!
If not wanting to be a cuck makes you christen then let me be christen

>>18765597
You’re a zoomer that’s mad because you found out your grandma took drugs and had orgies with hippies. Your trad chudcel utopia will never exist. Get over it.

>>18766444
Saint Paul says goyim should die unmarried and childless. That's the ultimate way to garantee not engaging in "horrible things about human nature" as you put it.

>>18766116
>. A society is only good when a virgin woman marries a man that loves her and they form a happy family and live happily until old age together. The sexual liberation movement destroyed that completely. Look how fucking unhappy the most promiscuous women are for fucks sake
How come every shithole part of the world is conservative and religious like that then, while the actually decent parts are more liberalized and chill about it?
You compare fucking Afghanistan, all of Africa, the Middle East, etc... to "degenerate" Iceland, Finland, Ireland, Japan, Australia, Spain, etc... all countries where people aren't retarded fundies and have sex, and now tell me where you'd rather live and raise a family LMAO.
This topic just rustles the jimmies of the average 4chan user because this is a website for social rejects who missed out on the fun and they'll never get over it- you can practically smell the Ressentiment in the air here.

>>18766706
I would want to raise my family in Mosul Iraq

>>18766706
See also: all the "moral" religious authorities on this planet constantly getting caught molesting children.

>>18766714
>all
>also thinks seeing the most news catching articles represents religious authorities because the boring modest life of them doesn't get publicised
you are a fucking moron

>>18766719
Good thing we still got all the data on shit like life expectancy, violent crime rates, literacy, etc... and it's pretty much always the most violent, dumbest, and all round awful places where religiosity prevails while all the educated and civilized parts of the world have moved past it.
Seriously get real, would a girl be safer walking around the streets of heathen atheist Japan or in the fundy parts of the USA? kek

>>18766733
is the data showing that all (or even a majority) "moral" religious authorities are immoral. In the room with us?

Fuck off with your baseless claims

>>18756361
>High iq women do have staggeringly high body counts
So do crackwhores but no one is giving them a nobel prize

>>18766733
>heathen atheist Japan
Calling Japan atheist is misleading. They're animists.
Atheism is not a source of technological progress btw. The Romans were on average more devoted to the gods than anyone you've ever known, and we still marvel at their technological achievements.

>>18765620
>you are making everyone in history incels
Literally no one is doing this. You believe incels want to incelify history because you are projecting.
You a degenerate DO want everyone in history to be a degen to make yourself fell less bad about being a dysgenic freak.

We don’t think people were angsty dweebs. We think they were high t. monogamous chads and stacies who genuinely believed in true love and feared hellfire and despair if they betrayed their betrothed.
>almost universal
The majority of people still do not go to college, monkey.
Sex isn’t even close to universal lmao.

>>18766153
Monogamous societies stomp decadent societies literally every single time.

>>18766706
>the alternative to liberal hell is browntown
Wow really selling it.
Why are you against policies pushing for a natural instinct?
Literally a majority of both male and female want monogamy.

>>18756320
Did you ever considered the fact that women are not objects to be "tested" to for further "use"?

>>18757690
kek.
every single millimeme and zoom-zoom in this thread is a literal child of a whore and of a desperate cuck, including the ones who supposedly come from "trad" turd world

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>>18767270
nta
>We think they were high t. monogamous chads
How did we end up with twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors then?
How come elite polygyny (ie. chad breeding several stacies) is recorded time and time again throughout history?
Mass female adultery is definitely unusual, but universal monogamy is an abstract platonic ideal thought up by moralist philosophers.

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>>18767275
>Did you ever considered the fact that women are not objects
Nobody is implying that they are inanimate, but given that they exist in the material world, they are objects.
>to be "tested" to for further "use"?
The strong do what they will, the weak suffer what they must.

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>>18767275
Lol.
If anything, modern womemes are nothing but objects to be used & discarded.

>>18767294
>twice as many female ancestors
We didn’t. We have slightly more because females were traded as currency and men died at insanely high rates in tribal warfare. But this was selection by nature, not by hypergamy.
>chad harems recorded time and again
NEVER have chad harems been common among the general population and NEVER have chad harems been common in history. They have been exclusive to decadent societies and the upper strata of decadent societies.

How the fuck do you think Chad harems work? Is Chad farming for 150 women? No.
99% of people in history were farmers doing manual labor. You can’t have harems in this type of society. The wealthiest farmer might be able to have 3 maybe 4 wives.
But this isn’t female hypergamy where 70% of men are soft locked out of relationships.
>universal monogamy is from philosophers
It’s the norm for hunter gatherers TODAY. We can see it TODAY.

>>18757690
>plurality/majority of women were virgins when they met their husband
This chart proves the Chuds correct. Women really were trad virgins in the past.

>>18766478
>drugs and sex
This was done among an unpopular minority. We have data on this. The majority of normies were uninteresting boring normies, not drug addled sex havers.
>chudcel utopia
Can you stop your culture war for five fucking minutes and have a real conversation?
>no you heckin Nazis will never get good faith from me
Then why bother participating in the thread? You’re not getting this time back.

Chudcel utopia DID exist btw. It’s called 90% of men had a relationship. As opposed to 70% of men being perpetually single.
This is not sustainable or preferable.
Yeah we would rather have 1950s liberalism to whatever this clusterfuck is today.
>but da past is heckin racist and not gender affirming
Have I covered all your culture war points yet?

What’s even the end goal for lefties like you?
>da liberation of womens
And then what? Liberation of women to do what?
You’re not married, you’re not getting married, you’re as in you personally are not even getting sex. You’re at best going to be third string to a bottom 5% fat bitch in a polyamory situationship while Chad is sleeping with 50 girls every week and using her personal charm to make people hate women.

You’re self defeating. Women are suckers for beauty, and beautiful men are antithetical to lefties because beauty is natural superiority.

I’m trying to understand you.

TLDR
You’re wrong and evil.

>>18766706
>brown countries are backward shitholes that repress foids which is le bad
>OPEN THE GATES LET THEM IN
So which is it, lefty?

I wonder do majority female forums have the same type of fanatical posters defending for example male incels and/or virgin?
Die-hard female posters (actual women) that defend men at all costs?
Like if a woman says she wouldn't go for any of those type, a bunch of other women gang up on her, call her a "whore" and many other things and how dare she not de attracted to ALL types of men?
The reverse seems to happen a lot on some 4chan boards.

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>>18756327
ignore the haters

>>18767337
>We have slightly more because females were traded as currency and men died at insanely high rates in tribal warfare.
So polygyny.
>NEVER have chad harems been common among the general population
You failed basic literacy. Elite != general population. Chad isn't common.
>They have been exclusive to decadent societies
Like the Scythians and Germanics of Antiquity? Meanwhile puritan England sending its sons to bleed for the profit margins of the Sassoon opium trade is presumably then not a decadent society because it enforced strong platonic ideals of sexual morality? This is chud fuddlore, anon. Warrior elites from extremely uncivilized societies have often engaged in polygyny, and universal monogamy has been instituted and enforced to manage hordes of dysgenic incels, which can only exist in extremely civilized and decadent societies.
>The wealthiest farmer might be able to have 3 maybe 4 wives.
wealthy farmers != elite
>this isn’t female hypergamy where 70% of men are soft locked out of relationships
Never said it was. "nta" means "not that anon".
>It’s the norm for hunter gatherers TODAY
So is being brown. Correlation does not equal causation. If you want to look that far back into our own prehistory, you have to address the very first point (which you concluded to include polygyny) and archaeological evidence such as the many stone age mass graves in Europe containing the bones of males of all ages, children and old women. You do the math.

>>18767346
>Chudcel utopia DID exist btw. It’s called 90% of men had a relationship.
Out of curiosity, can you frame this historically in any way? Who, when and where are you referring to?
>Women are suckers for beauty
This misunderstanding might help explain why you are apparently single.
Women are suckers for power.
t. still nta

>>18757096
This is like someone in 2856 saying early 21st century America thought journalism was a joke because The Onion existed.
You might genuinely be retarded.

>>18767430
That's not the greatest analogy, since tons of people these days do think journalism is a joke and the US president calls the media fake and whatnot.
But the anon is retarded. That satire is obviously not seriously suggesting that every single nun was a whore. It is either a joke intended to shock due to its impossibility, implying that the audience assumes nuns to be perfectly virginal, or a joke that is poking fun at some kernel of truth, implying that the audience assumes that even some nuns occasionally have sexual indiscretions despite appearances.
If the audience assumed nuns were actually whores, the joke would be as funny as saying cars are wheeled vehicles.

>>18767430
>>18767444
And given the existence of texts like the Liber Gomorrhianus, I'm inclined to assume that it is a joke based on exaggerating the kernel of truth that some clergy are sexually indiscrete.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber_Gomorrhianus

>>18767430
Women lie all the fucking time retard. Why do you think almost all great literary masterpieces featured foid infidelity, from 1001 nights to canterbury tales, from shakespeare's works to that of tolstoy's? It's a universality that you cannot escape. Your dad couldn't, your grandpa couldn't and every other forefather that came before them couldn't. Foid debauchery is the natural state of things just as much as incel seethe is any given human society of the present or of the past

>>18767395
>women want power not attraction
LOL women do not give a fuck for status, power, money, the biggest factor is beauty.

If you’re a felon, a weakling, a poor, women will overlook ALL OF IT if you’re tall and attractive.

>you’re le incel
70% of men are incels.
I won’t be in a polycule like (You) because I am superior to you, so I will remain an incel.
Neither of us will reproduce into the future, but at least I wasn’t rubbing cocks with a nigger in a fat bitch like you lmfao.

>who when and where
Everyone, all the time, everywhere, was a farmer prior to the Industrial Revolution.
You cannot have chad harems on a single family farm or a farmstead, you MUST give an incentive for others to work for you and pre currency there is no way to pay labor save for women living space and a woman.

You’re a millennial, you wouldn’t understand because millennials are the most cucked feminist generation to ever walk the earth.
You’re old and crusty. Go away

>>18767460
>names a four authors who featured female infidelity only a handful of times at most in their entire compendium
Wow it seems like infidelity is rare, rare to the point that would suggest it’s evolutionarily negative and no one actually wants it.

Also infidelity??
Infidelity????
We are talking about female sexual behaviors, which is a lot more than infidelity?
Why are defending women cheating?
Are you cuckold fetishist?

It is something people throughout history have always been against, case in point every example you gave it was seen as a moral wrong which leads to catastrophe and the edifying elements in those stories taught that infidelity is wrong.

Wow, people sure were redpilled on women back in history times. Why aren’t you?

>>18767460
>natural state of things
If it were natural, people wouldn’t hate it.
If it were natural, it would occur everywhere all the time and not be concentrated to decadent societies.
Also debauchery isn’t infidelity you moron.
You can be a degenerate without being a cheater.
Prostitutes are degenerate, but prostitutes aren’t betraying anyone.

You know what else is natural and MORE common than debauchery?
Rape and racial warfare.
You aren’t against rape are you?
You aren’t against racism are you?
You aren’t against TND right?
Tell me you agree with TND?
You’re all for total nigger death as you accept the reality that history is a story of group conflict and many times that conflict has fallen along racial lines.

It’s only natural ;)

>>18767652
"Natural" is always loved and hated, especially if it benefits one part of the group over the other part of the group. "Nature" is that which exists and continues to persist. Dominance hierarchy is universally hated by those at the bottom and yet it still is natural af. Same goes for foid infidelity & her proclivity for debauchery simply because she can get away with it. Heck, cocealed ovulation is literally the sign that foids are innately drawn towards to betrayal, reproductively speaking.
>TND
full support saaar
>>18767649
>It is something people throughout history have always been against
doesn't matter. all male animals hate their females indulging in sneaky fucking, and yet it still persists. Females hating males or males hating females doesn't mean a damn thing. Sure, one gender may develop a strategy to counter cheating, but the other gender immediately adopts a counter strategy, either within a generation(highly unlikely) or over the span of 1000s and 1000s of generations which is what almost always happens.

>>18767652
>You aren’t against rape are you?
Let's see how far you go with rape threats then. One group of males will form a coalition and larp to protect females, garner their support and totally btfo the other group of males issuing rape threats.
>simps
it doesn't matter if they're simp faggots or virtue signalling sneaky fuckers, the fact of the matter simply is that how things will evolve into and there's nothing you can do about it

>>18767664
>one group of males will protect the females
Uh no?
Any male who can fight isn’t going to risk death or even give his life so an unrelated male can out breed him lol.
Lefties have zero understanding of human behavior.
>that how things will evolve into
ESL
>nothing you can do
About what? It is a self correcting problem. The only thing to lament is we aren’t on either end but in the middle.
We have already solved the problem of female infidelity and debauchery. Women who do this are taken out of the genepool.
Please refer to >>18764267
Debauchery and infidelity is selected AGAINST.

But you deny reality, and you think the natural course of evolution will lead us to becoming bonobos, a species that has only lost territory to more aggressive more domineering females are property based simiiforms.

Why do you sound delighted that we live in awful times?
Resentment? Spite? Feeling attacked?

>>18767664
You forgot TND btw.
You do support TND right?
Can I get a total nigger death from you?
Racial conflict IS natural after all.

Also you’re not really against rape right?
You said rape threats? No i mean rape. Not threats.
If I can get away with it, well why shouldn’t I?
I’ll have a large number of men on my side. We will pick easy targets. We will rape these women maybe even lock them in the house and have our mothers keep watch on them so we can use nature to counteract their natural debauchery.

You support this yes? It is natural after all.

>>18767663
>foid infidelity
This isn’t possible in a hunter gatherer society or the farmsteads which 90% of humanity grew up on.
>proclivity for debauchery
See above.
If it isn’t possible in the median of human economic modes, then it isn’t natural.
>everyone hates it but it persists
You say persists as if it’s commonplace as in 90% of women do this.
But that’s not true at all.
If a woman cheats three times in her life on her husband that is vastly more than all other women and three nights out of 30,000 isn’t exactly a lot, in fact it’s not even 1%.
>which is what almost always happens
Yet we don’t see it.
We see that most women aren’t degenerates.
Your only argument against this is declaring that all women are liars and we have no reliable data therefore you must correct???

You’re just wrong, you persist in being wrong because you are a leftist and women’s liberation you feel will do something?
You’re either a cuck, a whore yourself, or a misguided lefty moron.
In all cases you’re wrong.

>>18767682
>You do support TND right?
yeah

>>18767682
>I’ll have a large number of men on my side.
Easy to make them jump ship with the false promise of pussy or to create a mass infighting amongst you. Besides, the minority of men in power will nuke you or fill your body with lead. All the govt has to do is promise it's fixed reserve of male soldiers & male police officers or law enforcers with two women each, and they'll happily mass murder the rest of the men who're aren't equipped at all to tackle that.

>>18767393
>so polygyny
Yes but you’re confusing that polygamy which is chad harem. Polygyny is just more females per male. This also isn’t an evolved sexual behavior. It’s an adaptation to extreme attrition which occurred maybe once a century if that.
>elite =\ gen pop
No one said it did, ESL. Re-read my post.
>like Scythians and Germanics of antiquity
You mean races that we have no actual data on?
No. I don’t accept quasi mythology from people who ever heard second hand stories from trade rumors about hyperborea, men with faces in their chests, and races of magical sky sailors who shoot hail and steal wheat.

We know the descendants of these people behaved in ways that would have been considered extremely conservative and modest.
>Puritan England
England was never Puritan.
>sent its sons to die for profits
This literally never happened.
>is presumably not decadent
It was which is why you personally believe England at the time had insane rates of STDs lol.
>confusing polygyny with “women are property and can be traded”
LOL
>le Chuds
You are obsessed with Chuds. Why? Are you a leftist? You think Chuds want to control women’s bodies?
>hordes of dysgenic incels
What does this even mean?
There are no hordes of dysgenic incels especially if they’re able to impose their will through force.
Society in the past wasn’t democratic in the slightest. If these “hordes of dysgenic incels” were enforcing monogamy, they’re not dysgenic incels lol.
>monogamy can only exist in civilized decadent societies
Yet we see it is nearly universal in pre modern hunter gatherers TODAY
Curious!
>wealthy farmers are not elite
Yes they are?? Landed gentry are elite. The various forms this takes throughout history may vary but someone like the senators of Rome with their latifundas, these were an elite lmfao.
Imagine thinking the landed aristocrats aren’t an elite.
>so is being brown
No, there are White primitives who are monogamous, Waggener and Vikernes.

>>18767393
>address the very first point
Which is what?
Many women to one man?
Yeah that “many women” typically was 3 or less.
Thats not a lot considering women were used as fucking currency and it would be very easy for a man to die in a skirmish or in a hunt and thus it would become necessity for his brother or kinsman to marry his widow.
Polygyny isn’t an argument in favor of hypergamy, it is actually a sign that female sexuality is HEAVILY POLICED.
>men killed other tribes and took their women
Based. I don’t see how this is related to the conversation?

>>18756327
Why did this post make /pol/trannies so butthurt

>>18767663
>indians want TND
I am all for TPD.
Can I get a total nigger death total pajeet death?
These things are natural lol.

>>18767700
>false promise of pussy
??? When that promise is ultimately false, then… what?
Also what false promise of pussy?
I am promising to give them actual virginal girls and a harem of their own.
They’d at best be deciding between one offer and another.
They wouldn’t “jump ship”
Again you know nothing about human behavior.
>the government will nuke you or shoot you
But don’t they know it’s unnatural to use nukes and guns?
The majority of human history not a single nuke or gun was used or even imagined.

You should go and tell the government it’s unnatural.
>erm so you won’t rape
No, I will continue to advocate for rape and commit rape because I can.


But you agree in principle just not in practice right?
You agree with rape yes?
You think there are risks that must be weighed, I agree, but should we come out positively, we should therefore rape, yes?

>>18767733
>Can I get a total nigger death total pajeet death?
Ultra full sapport saaaar
>>18767692
>Your only argument against this is declaring that all women are liars and we have no reliable data
what is then the data pertaining to the fact that women deliberately lie atleast by a factor of about 1.75 when asked about their bodycounts? Women lie and hide things as lying is adaptive and telling the truth is maladaptive

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>>18767735
>No, I will continue to advocate for rape and commit rape because I can.
try it then faggot and let's see where you can go with that

>da gubmint will kill you
Dude we live in a rape culture :)
Start raping! It’s natural.
You are clearly not opposed to policing or opposing natural things.

There’s nothing you can do to stop natural things?

Why couldn’t the government just fill whores full of lead?
Wouldn’t that solve infidelity and debauchery?
The death penalty to anyone who is found out?
>they’ll do it in secret
And I shall rape in secret.
Same thing.

You support natural things right?
Can I get your approval on rape and debauchery now?
And uh TND and TPD? Total Latrino Death too?

You are a fellow chud White supremacist right?

>>18767737
>lying is adaptive
It’s not, if it was it wouldn’t have developed a taboo or a generate a guilty conscience.

>uh women are all whores and you must accept it
Men are all rapists and you must accept it :)

Why can’t you simply post “I am not opposed to total nigger death because I cannot stop things that are natural.”???

>>18767339
Plurality of women had at least 1 sexual partner, you fucking retard.

>>18767738
Kek. East or west, women are the shittiest. Women being whores & parasites will always be a thing as long as humans continue to exist, unless of course humanity can figure out a way to get rid of genes & neural circuity that bring about that behaviour, in a non-destructive and sustainable manner that is

>>18767740
Evidently into the highest levels of power. Jeffrey Epstein got away with it.
Troonald is getting away with it right now.

>try it faggot
Dumb fucking millennial.
Don’t you know you can’t prevent nature? You can’t prevent natural things like rape.
We live in a rape culture and I will continue to rape and support rapists.
There’s nothing you can do.

But I think we should tell whores “if you have no hymen on your wedding night, you’re getting the bullet.”

If the government can police rapists it can also police premarital sex havers yes?
Both are natural right?

>>18767648
You keep failing basic literacy. I never said women don't want attraction, that's absurd. Being "a sucker for" means to be attracted to.
Women are attracted by/to power. A man being tall is displaying power over short men. A felon displays a drive for personal power over his fellow citizen. A wealthy man displays economic power.
Women abhor weakness, and adore power. So does nature. Men like powerful men too. No healthy man wants a weak friend, coworker, boss or subordinate.
>70% of men are incels.
You should stop whining and put yourself in the 30% then. And if 99% percent of men become incels, you should do what it takes to be in the 1%. Cultivating the will to acquire power necessary to achieve your goals is the only solution to your problems.
>Neither of us will reproduce into the future
I have children, boyo. And you can infer whatever you like about me or my family to make your misery less bitter, it doesn't change reality.
>Everyone, all the time, everywhere
I have already given actual historical examples to the contrary. The sources for the examples are Tacitus and Herodotus if you'd like to check (you won't).
>You're old
And you're young, so pay attention. Inventing some moral high ground so as to justify refraining from participating in life will earn you literally nothing.
>LOL women do not give a fuck for status, power, money, the biggest factor is beauty.
This is so dumb and contrary to all wisdom on the matter that I can't help but suspect that you're trolling. Calling me a feminist while assuming women's brains work like men's is kafkaesque. If you're not shitposting, I'm inclined to think you ought to remain in your 70%.

>>18767742
>It’s not, if it was it wouldn’t have developed a taboo or a generate a guilty conscience.
and still you can't get rid of it.
>Men are all rapists and you must accept it :)
I accept that men are rapists, but does that mean you're going to get away with it? Why don't you put your words into action then little faggot?

>>18767652
>If it were natural, people wouldn’t hate it.
You're totally disconnected from reality, zoom zoom.

>>18767745
Yeah the one they ended up marrying you statistically illiterate moron.
That isn’t body count before I met my husband.
It’s body count before I was married.

Also 1/5 of women being virgins is HUGE compared to the pitiful 1-2% today.
I don’t even know if I believe these numbers anyway because there was a gynecologist study that had doctors physically checking for intact hymens and it said 30% of patients teens to late 20s were virgins in the only way that matters.

I suspect this is a Gen Z shift.
You millennials will just have to accept society has moved on without you. We have gone beyond your regressive primitive leftism.
The future wants to fully actualize, which can’t be done with the emotional scarring of casual sex.

>>18767724
>>18767727
Your reading comprehension is plummeting post by post, and combined with your inability to type things you haven't heard of into a search engine makes conversing with you pointless.
May you have the number of children you deserve, schizocel.

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>>18767747
>high status men getting away with it
precisely the point. it costs an insane amount of resources to get away with it, something that 95% of males cannot
>But I think we should tell whores “if you have no hymen on your wedding night, you’re getting the bullet.”
Try that trick as well faggot. There are plenty of desperate simps who'll happily backstab you and accept sloppy 69s. There is simply no shortage of desperation amongst men. LOL
>If the government can police rapists it can also police premarital sex havers yes?
Uh it doesn't have to because majority aren't even demanding it?
Sorry anon, but might is the only right and you lack it, individually & collectively, physically & politically, monetarily & spiritually. You lost and women won