How and when did people become racist?Reading early spanish exploration accounts like columbus's diary shows people weren't actually racist. They thought in terms of religion, distinguishing between christian and heathen. So very explorers were closer to islamic terrorists, instead of the nazis and white supremacistsAt what point did it become about race?
>>18753132It started mostly in the 19th century with the emerging field of scientific racism, which slave owners financed and pushed in order to justify their cause and livelihood
>>18753135it started earlier with spaniards getting traumatized over the 800 years of moor rape, they unironically thought they could "clean" their blood n shiet by implementing some meme policies, it obviously didn't work and they're all nafri mongrels to this day Look up limpieza de sangre
If you think they though all christians were equal you'd be very very wrong. I don't know where this motivated reasoning comes from, perhaps to try and make it seem like antiracism is the default and racism is some artificial construct rather than being innate to human nature.Its more so shorthand convenience at the time though that religion more or less entirely correlated to ethnicity/race. No europeans were muslim and although there were some middle eastern christians they were fringe cases + the "wrong" kind of christian.
>>18753132In the ancient world you had Aristotle and other writers penning racialist and hereditarian works about how people's character is influenced by the environments in which they evolved.Then later the Crusades contributed to racist sentiments among Euros and Arabs, who saw non-Christians and non-Muslims respectively as barbarians. Among Arabs you have Ibn Khaldun who says black Africans are slaves by nature. In Europe you have anti-Moor prejudice.
Later in the 16th century.You're sorta right, initial Spanish exploration and campaigns in Mexico etc often had Spaniards (or at least the ones who regularly interacted with the locals) highly praising and respecting Mesoamerican civilizations (see pic), and noting that they were "barbarous" only in the sense that they were pagan You really begin to see race hierarchies as we know them today begin to take shape after the first 3-4 decades of the 16th century when Spain started cutting local nobility and rulers out of the equation (when they had previously left them in charge in many cases, though they raped and pillaged many other places, it depended where you were) and started to actively take more control over local affairs and worked harder at cultural assimilation and enforcing hierarchical divides between Spaniards, Mestizos, Indigenous people, Africans etcI'm admittedly not quite sure what prompted this>>18753196I don't buy your perspective, given how (some) of the Spanish were willing to acknowledge the sophistication, virtues etc of even Pagan Mesoamerican and Andean civilizations, I think it's more accurate to say that tribalism is innate to human nature, but the way people rationalize and construct the divides that shape our ingroups and outgroups can change and be re-defined over time in response to shifting political and religious and economic dynamics: Prior to the early 16th century, it IS true as far as I know that religion was the greater variable that people used to define those divisions then race was (especially because also people didn't think about "races" the same way we did, in terms of how many there were and how they should be classified), though that's also not to say that racism or ethnic prejudice wasn't a thing at all (indeed you can see some shades of it in Spanish writings even in the early 16th century, to an extent)1/?
>>18753269Do you have a list of books you'd recommend on the topic of Mesoamerican societies, conquistadors and the like?
>>18753263>about how people's character is influenced by the environments in which they evolvedYou see this in Spanish and other European writings as well when discussing the Americas, especially as the racialist lens became dominant over time, where Spaniards thought that the inferiority of Indigenous people was a result of the natural environment in the Americas having a sort of barbaric quality that permeated the people living there, and that Europeans could fall victim to that as wellFor example, Sahagun noted that initially Indigenous students at the Colegio de Santa Cruz de Tlatelolco learned scripture and theology so well and so fast, outpacing Spaniards ones, that it actually scared many priests and friars who initially laughed at the idea that they could be taught at all, and they tried to get the Colegio shut down. They didn't succeed at that, but it ended up getting shut down anyways decades later because over time the students basically (in my read of what Sahagun wrote) kinda became fratboys who partied and drank too much to become priests, nuns etc themselves, but Shagun doesn't blame this on the fact they were Indigenous and noted that Spaniards who arrived in Mexico became prone to debauchery themselves, pinning it on the land and air >>18753273Me and my friends have had this WIP bookchart on the backburner for many years, but as you can see it hasn't been worked on for a while. I intend for us to finish it eventually but it's not a priority. In the meantime I defer to /r/Askhistorian's booklist. If there's a specific subtopic you're interested in though I can suggest specific books or research papers or conference recordings, it's a lot easier for me to give specific suggestions than general ones, since I "skipped" the step of reading intro generalist books, I went directly from reading online posts (again, mostly on /r/askhistorians, I binged every post I could find there on Mesoamerica) to scholarly papers2/2 for now
>>18753132Swedish Carl Linnaeus invented the trinity of race (Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid) in the 1700s.
>>18753278>>18753273Also we're gonna remove "Broken Spears" and replace it with "Collision of Worlds" or some book on campaigns against Maya, Oaxacan, or West Mexican city-states most likely
>>18753278Interesting. The only primary Euro explorer source I have read (parts of) when it comes to this topic is "Rasprava o pravu i opravdanosti rata/Tratado del derecho y justicia dela guerra" by Vinko Paletin, some Croatian guy who lived among the Mayans for a while and notably wewuzed their architecture (picrel)
>>18753269>>18753278Interesting posts thanks anon
>>18753278>They didn't succeed at that, but it ended up getting shut down anyways decades later because over time the students basically (in my read of what Sahagun wrote) kinda became fratboys who partied and drank too much to become priests, nuns etc themselves, but Shagun doesn't blame this on the fact they were Indigenous and noted that Spaniards who arrived in Mexico became prone to debauchery themselves, pinning it on the land and airMaybe it really is the land and air, doesn't sound a whole lot different from modern Mexico.
>>18753132racism is innate, whatever your propaganda tells you. these attempts to claim some origin for racism are at par with religiotards assigning the "invention" of atheism to some eighteenth century figure or movement.
>>18753132martin luther invented racism to destroy the catholic church o algo
>>18753164Obsessed
>>18753132You don't want your slaves to be very intelligent, so they brought retarded people from Africa. The majority of black people that they knew were retards, and their direct descendants.
>>18754334>racism is innate, whatever your propaganda tells you. these attempts to claim some origin for racism are at par with religiotards assigning the "invention" of atheism to some eighteenth century figure or movement.loosen the headband on your fedora, anon. it's cutting off the oxygen to your head.
>>18753132Logic and truth are understood by social constructivists (postmodernists, feminists, Marxoids, etc.) to be social constructs.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2566511Race is just ancestry and genetic similarity that affects cognitive and non-cognitive phenotypes.https://abc102.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/a-semantic-defense-of-the-ordinary-race-concepthttps://abc102.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/index-of-articles-and-references-for-hbd-and-race-realismArabs, Egyptians, and the Japanese understood race thousands of years ago. Three-month-olds understand race. There is no "expert" consensus on the existence of biological race anywhere other than China, and in China, they unanimously accept the existence of biological race. Biologists and biologists with greater academic credentials are more likely to accept the existence of race. Best-fit genetic cluster aligns 99-99.9% with Self-identified race, and increased admixture increases self-identification. With regards to the Black-White IQ gap, only 15-17% of intelligence researchers say they believe the gap to have no genetic component, while the mean response is 50% due to genetics. Polygenic scores trained within siblings accurately predict national IQ, and polygenic scores accurately predict the IQs of US ethnic groups. Admixture is a superior predictor of cognitive ability than self-identified race or skin color.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9sdlvlwD8https://archive.li/TDZemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc8DWmOX5Achttps://rumble.com/v3ngfq1-the-ridiculous-idea-that-race-isnt-real.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_o%2Csrc_v1_rsohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_LPzsPqvKkhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2566511https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357254046_Genetic_ancestry_and_social_race_are_nearly_interchangeablehttps://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/17https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373840894_Income_and_Education_Disparities_Track_Genetic_Ancestry
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>>18753132>How and when did people become racist?FROM THE BEGINNING
>>18758182cool image
>>18753269>>18753278Great post, but I do want to add that colonization of Americas is where we get the modern versions of race/racism from (white, black, brown, asian). As you mentioned tribalism is innate in humanity and before the European Age of Exploration, there was still an acknowledgment of different races across the world from large multi-ethnic empires. Such as the Arabs in the Middle Ages or the Greeks/Romans in Antiquity.
>>18753132When Capitalism arrived and someone was needed to cultivate the plantations.Read Capitalism and Slavery, by Williams.Racism is an Anglo thing.
It depends on how you define racism. I guess Tang China had the first iteration of "modern" racism. As for casual racism, you have a ton of examples in Greek/Roman antiquity.
Racism, the idea thatits"bad" to distinguish any difference between children of God and dark hell-spawned demons, was invented by jews in the early 1900s to destroy Christianity. The very idea that you shouldn't practice spiritual discernment, that you should willfully blind yourself to the light of God, is peak idiocy.
