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    Midnight Edition

    Previous Thread: >>8960737

    >LOCAL UI
    Forge NEO(Anima support): https://github.com/Haoming02/sd-webui-forge-classic/tree/neo
    Forge: https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forge | Alternative version (reForge): https://github.com/Panchovix/stable-diffusion-webui-reForge
    Comfy: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI

    >LOCAL MODELS
    Anima: https://civitai.com/models/2458426/
    Noob: https://civitai.com/models/833294
    Illustrious: https://civitai.com/models/795765 | https://civitai.com/models/1232765

    >RESOURCES
    Wiki: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki | https://comfyanonymous.github.io/ComfyUI_examples | https://openart.ai/workflows/templates
    Training: https://rentry.org/59xed3 | https://github.com/derrian-distro/LoRA_Easy_Training_Scripts | https://github.com/bmaltais/kohya_ss | https://github.com/Nerogar/OneTrainer | https://github.com/67372a/LoRA_Easy_Training_Scripts (Anima fork)
    Tags: https://danbooru.donmai.us/wiki_pages/tag_groups | https://danbooru.donmai.us/related_tag
    ControlNet: https://rentry.org/dummycontrolnet | https://civitai.com/models/136070
    IOPaint (LamaCleaner): https://www.iopaint.com/install
    Upscalers: https://openmodeldb.info
    Booru: https://aibooru.online
    4chanX Catbox/NAI prompt userscript: https://rentry.org/hdgcb
    Pony-related: https://rentry.org/ponyxl_loras_n_stuff | https://rentry.org/ponyxl_lora_previews | https://lite.framacalc.org/4ttgzvd0rx-a6jf
    Illustrious-related: https://rentry.org/illustrious_loras_n_stuff
    Useful Nodes/Extensions: https://rentry.org/8csaevw5

    OP Template/Logo: https://rentry.org/hdgz/edit | https://files.catbox.moe/xk99gy.png | https://files.catbox.moe/35bdt5.gif

    >Related
    >>>/aco/sdg
    >>>/g/sdg
    >>>/g/ldg
    >>>/g/adt
    >>>/d/ddg
    >>>/e/edg
    >>>/c/kdg
    >>>/vt/vtai
    >>>/vg/aids
    >>>/b/degen
    >>>/trash/sdg
    >>>/u/udgv
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    wowow beautiful highlights /edg/sisters! trans rights!
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    >>8972699
    Thanks for baking.
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    >>8972701
    that orange hair girl is good
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    >>8972701
    >>8972702
    nice
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    >>8972699
    >>8972701
    >>8972702
    kys
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    is there any tag (anima) for cum surging through a cock? like in a cross-section view?
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    >>8972835
    I dunno either man but I don't dislike you trying to find out
    https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=4311495
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    >>8972848
    that's not quite it, I didn't mean animated like that although I guess the bulging is somewhat related
    I meant more like picrel where you can see the cum inside the penis
    >>
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    >>8972854
    Oh, I knew what you meant, just showing my support.
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    >>
    https://github.com/ElectronGirl/ComfyUI-Anima-Ref-Adapter
    https://huggingface.co/ElectronGirl/anima-ref-adapter
    Anyone dare to try this out?
    >github made yesterday
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    >>8972904
    https://x.com/paralaifxox/status/2115103289645867421
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    >>8972904
    >300 training characters, 2,000 steps
    Wake me up when it's more than v0.1. The samples look like what you'd get out of standard Cosmos reference latent.
    >>
    >>8972904
    >reference adapter
    >testing on characters the model already knows from tags
    what kind of retardation is this?
    >>
    >>8972904
    holy kek
    >>
    >>8972701
    >>8972702
    Nice. Can you do the same for /bhdg/?
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    >>8972911
    >>8972919
    judging by >>8972905
    >>8972920
    it seems to work fine tho
    forge extension when?
    >>
    >>8972970
    someone on r*ddit posted this
    https://github.com/LeonWGal/anima-ref-adapter-neo
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    >>8972789
    https://litter.catbox.moe/2fer4aholrfyv9ap.png
    https://litter.catbox.moe/nbhvp9go59j795ig.safetensors
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    people don't even stealth png their gens anymore. They just make you beg for a catbox and then look at you like this.
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    >>8973043
    I've never stopped stealth PNGing my gens ever since I started using the NAI extension with v3's release.
    >>
    >>8973039
    That's a huge cunt
    >>
    >>8973039
    what if you pull the tail like you're trying to start a lawnmower engine
    >>
    >>8973058
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x7M48o6V7Q
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    >>8973047
    good, have an orihime
    >>
    >>8973051
    for you
    >>
    moss gained a way to achieve some big stylistic variety without training tons of LoRAs or waiting for someone to do it
    https://github.com/Chenkin-x/Kaloscope-Style-adapter-Comfyui
    and the models:
    https://huggingface.co/heathcliff01/Kaloscope-style-adapter
    so far in testing, the trained artist tags are not very faithful imho, but they allow you to achieve a great variety of results and style mixing is stable. Using a lora at low strength is a must for stabilization, rdbt does the job.
    >>
    >>8973085
    "old man cock" sounds as if that was his name
    >>
    >>8973085
    >it's all chinkspeak
    okay cool?
    >>
    >>8973088
    you are on an AI thread, just use LLM translation ffs
    it's a trained style adapter that brings booru artist tags to moss (base, doesn't really work with SFT) and has stable artist mixing
    also has a image style reference feature, haven't toyed enough with that yet to have an opinion
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    >>8972701
    >>8972702
    we're so BACK
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    furs!
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    Moss' bounding box is nice
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    grrr...
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    >>8973092
    > base, doesn't really work with SFT
    why yes i love genning with 50 steps
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    >>8973173
    That elf girl is really beautiful, I'm liking the blue and gold jewellery. Not a fan of the goblin though, can you make more pictures of this girl without the goblin?
    >>
    >>8973173
    Why am I hearing some people saying moss can't make anime? This is anime styled and it looks great.
    >>
    >>8973213
    Same.

    >>8973173
    Catbox please.
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    >>8973215
    It doesn't have any artists, so you're making default style or using a lora. Also doesn't know characters unless they had a lot of pics in the last 2-3 years, so you'll be using a lora there too.
    Like being back on SD1.5
    >>
    >>8973235
    Oh, I see.
    >>
    Does moss understand natural language like anima? I'm new to moss, why is its step count so much higher than illustrious and anima. 40 steps vs around 28 on the other two.
    >>
    >>8973242
    Natural language is the entire point of Moss.
    >>
    >>8973260
    Is it's natural language understanding better than anima? What are the differences?
    >>
    >>8973266
    It's just a much bigger model overall, and not specialized for anime.
    >>
    >>8973274
    >It's just a much bigger model overall
    What does this really mean though?
    >>
    >>8973279
    More space for general knowledge of...everything, and more space for the LLM text encoder to understand prompts better.

    Try genning a mechanic girl messing around with a car's engine. Sd1.5 won't even open the hood. Sdxl will struggle to get the scale of the car right relative to the girl. Anima gets the composition right but the engine looks like an undefined mess of tubes. With moss you can make out the carburetor and the oil intake.
    >>
    >>8973285
    >With moss you can make out the carburetor and the oil intake.
    So moss makes fewer mistakes?
    >>
    How was anima trained on gelbooru anyway? Did they need to download the whole site?
    >>
    >>8973295
    >generate a butiful sexy girl
    >make no mistakes
    >>
    >>8973296
    yes
    >>
    >>8973302
    how do you even do that? how do you download everything off a website? and how did they keep the tagging info with the images?
    >>
    >>8973304
    that's the neat thing, you don't
    you just tell AI to do it for you
    >>
    >>8973309
    gemini won't do that
    >>
    >>8973311
    use a better AI
    >>
    >>8973311
    Most likely a skill issue.
    >>
    >>8973313
    Such as?
    >>
    >>8973316
    I've not had any issues getting Claude to write me scrapers.
    >>
    >>8973173
    How do you bbox again? I'm too retarded to figure it out by myself...
    >>
    >>8973318
    so you need to ask the ai to create the tool rather than just asking it to download for you? have you tried microsoft copilot?
    >>
    >>8973235
    god I hope somebody makes a non-shit finetune soon with artists and characters...
    >>
    >>8973326
    The moss guys said they're already baking an anime tune.
    >>
    >>8973328
    with artists?
    >>
    >>8973325
    >so you need to ask the ai to create the tool rather than just asking it to download for you?
    Well, duh. You ask in a coding harness. It'll write the tool and run it for you.
    >have you tried microsoft copilot?
    No.
    >>
    >>8973324
    There's a JSON Builder tab on new versions of Forge Neo. Guy's said it'll soon be moving to a tab beside the LoRA browser though so don't be surprised when it does.
    >>
    >>8973326
    I'm still only doing early testing, but MOSS training seems pretty easy so far. You can even be a lazy person and still use tag based datasets. I just took over my anima settings and dialed back the batch size and I'm getting alright results.
    >>
    >>8973333
    just use Grabber or one of a dozen other existing tools
    >>
    >>8973173
    please?
    >>
    >>8972920
    Comfy-tan is cute!!
    >>
    >>8972920
    Swarmui
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    /awugg/ is perfect for avatarfags you should fuck off there
    >>
    >>8973521
    /bhdg/ is perfect for nogen trolls, why are you here?
    >>
    >>8973525
    is this the part where we pretend again everyone isnt in both threads. also hi op of awugg!
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    Anyone know how to make penis goes all the way inside vagina?
    I just learn to use ComfyUI + Anima days ago.
    It does not matter what I prompt it only half way in.
    >>
    i've been burned before on FOTM bullshit that turns out to still be worse than illustrious tunes, is moss the real deal
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    moar, king
    >>
    so what now. do we just wait for moss anima and hope for it to be good?
    >>
    >>8973616
    >do we just wait for [new model] and hope for it to be good?
    a tl;dr of this general's entire history
    >>
    >>8973570
    fuck no
    >>
    >>8973570
    >is moss the real deal
    it seems to be very good at fine details. at least on par with anima
    >>
    >>8973173
    >bounding box
    what's this?
    >>
    >>8973654
    Built-in regional prompter. Since the model was actually trained with it, it performs much better.
    >>
    can moss image do twilight sparkle humanization scat eating porn in style of mamimi?
    >>
    >>8973684
    gotta be honest, I've never tried
    it's up on Civitai though, if you wanna give it a whirl without setting things up
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    I have once again been baited, moss does shit all nsfw.
    Another just wait for the finetunes and future changes waste of time
    >>
    >>8973753
    yep, or use loras for everything
    >>
    >>
    very nais splotch
    >>
    what do people use for video gen? Is it still ridiculously complex to do locally?
    >>
    >>8973753
    but ffm schizo said it's good!???
    >>
    >>8973774
    Was it ever complex? Just a coin toss whether you'll get decent output.

    Anyway, at this point only Minimax H3 makes sense for anime. Totally mogs Wan video in prompt comprehension, and LTX is incapable of 2D.
    >>
    >>8973753
    Explain >>8973173 then? looks nsfw to me
    >>
    >>8973759
    Why do they have ringworm?
    >>
    >>8973783
    you might be able to wrangle it to do something like that eventually, but it doesn't do shit all with basic tags or common phrases compared to illustrious
    >>
    >>8973785
    those are bite marks
    >>
    >>8973787
    From what, lampreys?
    >>
    >>8973781
    >Minmax H3
    Sounds good but looking at specs it also sounds like I'm sorta fucked with my 4070tiS' 16gb vram and 32gb ram....
    >>
    >>8973786
    ok. explain these then?:
    >>8973392
    >>8972979
    >>8972374
    >>8972012
    >>8971259

    multiple anons have gotten it to do nsfw so it seems like you were being hyperbolic
    >>
    >>8973794
    Unironically all me kek.
    >>
    >>8973793
    Pick one of the smaller quants, I can run on a 4070 non-ti. The checkpoints I have saved is "minimaxH3INT8INT4_ref2vaINT8Pruned", whatever that means.
    Of course it still takes about 1 minute of gen time per 1 second of video at 512x512, 24fps.
    >>
    >>8973797
    Yeah, you and the guy with the fetish for tiny goblins got moss to do nsfw so that faggot just isn't putting enough effort in.
    >>
    >>8973799
    Isn't that what he said in >>8973786
    Least that's what I got out of it, that you have to put in effort instead of just prompting like you normally would.
    >>
    >>8972920
    Now make her do lewd stuff
    >>
    >>8973805
    All those gens have stealth metadata, you can literally see it works perfectly fine with both tags for the simpler stuff and basic dry NL when the composition is more complex.
    >>
    >>8973817
    Oh cool, thanks. Stealth metadata is so rare these days I didn't think to check.
    >>
    >>8973792
    angery vacuum cleaners
    >>
    >>8973820
    >Stealth metadata is so rare these days
    why though? shouldn't more people know about it now? or do people need a reminder that the script and function exist?
    >>
    Moss made me realize, all I ever gen are style experiments.
    >>
    >Remember ancient fap from days of yore I really liked back then
    >Find out that the artist became famous animator
    >Just does character design, doesn't draw himself
    >Most of his old art is fucking gone
    >Desperately scavenge what I can and make LoRa
    >Looks like his art, but something on the back of my head keeps nagging me.

    Could only find 30 images from before 1996. He made the CG back in 1993. The rest is gone. That one anon is right. Art is ephemerous and if you stop paying attention it's all gone up in flames.
    >>
    >>8973943
    this is beautiful. who's the artist? lora?
    >>
    >>8973943
    If /r/ was still alive I would tell you to ask there, someone might have saved more of his stuff.
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    >>8973952
    It's Makino Ryuichi, from Macross and Battle Athletes fame. That was one of his first works back in the day. This CG is particular because he is the one who worked on it on his own.

    Use tags MakinoRyuichi, retro artstyle, 1990s (style). I am using Illustrious because Anima isn't worth a damn.

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/htdk3ibm6zef453/MakinoRyuichi_Illustrious_1.safetensors/file
    >>
    >>8973960
    It "should" be much easier to train on anima.
    >>
    >>8973961
    It is, but I cannot use Controlnet.
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    Ok, the style seems to be at least accurate most of the time, so long as your subject's style isn't too strong.
    >>
    >>8973962
    You can, but only depth. The rest are Lllite and so not very good.
    >>
    I feel like half the reason Anima doesn't mess up detailing most of the time is that it absolutely refuses to do wide shots. It's as close to the subjects in the prompt as is at all possible, every single time.
    >>
    >>8973997
    I feel like that's just you using an overfit checkpoint or a retarded prompt that forces the composition.
    >>>/e/3148809
    >>
    >>8973997
    As a landscape frame enjoyer this has been something I've dealt with a lot using Anima. Half of my NL prompt ends up being something that wrangles it to make sure it actually allows for proper large spaces to gen.
    And like >>8973998 said if you have any tag or description that would conflict with that at all it opts for it instead virtually every time.
    >>
    >>8973998
    By "retarded prompt", do you mean "anything that isn't 1girl, location"? And even then you often won't exactly be getting what I'd call wide shots.
    >>
    >>8973781
    is there a guide on minmax? my desktop is finally fixed and i haven't used stable diffusion for a long time
    >>
    >>8974004
    The other anon might help you better as I rarely do this, having to really dig through the archive here. But it never seemed too difficult. Just an offhand sentence that places the girl off to one side, or describes the overall composition and what is where.

    Made this one ad-hoc https://litter.catbox.moe/8pbpp2saig4l1u08.png
    And some older pics:
    https://litter.catbox.moe/rtne26fob21wvegl.png
    https://litter.catbox.moe/77gydcas9pcin94r.png
    https://litter.catbox.moe/hdxd4j9t0tzb22gn.png
    >>
    >>8974009
    Look at the official prompt guide, tells you how to control sound, camera and the like.
    https://github.com/MiniMax-AI/MiniMax-H3/blob/main/skills/h3-prompt-writing/references/ref-en.txt
    /hdg/ doesn't really have the strength to make guides anymore, might have to look at Civit for the sex parts.
    >>
    >>8973953
    Why did they close /r/?
    >>
    >>8973724
    Is this real moss
    I fucking kneel if it is
    >>
    >>8974024
    It ended up being 99% just people asking for deepfakes, of their friends, of celebs, etc. Mods got scared of public backlash. It's soft-banned now except for /b/ and /trash/, even though the official rules never changed.

    A week later they killed the photoreal AI general on /aco/ too, even though it's been fine for 4 years. >>>/aco/9208012
    >>
    >>8974026
    it has NAI metadata
    ngl I reported it as offtopic before realizing the anon above asked for it
    >>
    >>8974033
    sad
    >>
    >>8974032
    gone from /b/ as well
    >>
    >>8973173
    Anon?
    >>8973233
    >>
    >>8973962
    >but I cannot use Controlnet.
    why can't you use controlnet on anima?

    >>8973984
    >The rest are Lllite and so not very good.
    ?
    >>
    Good morning sirs ( ‾ ʖ̫‾)
    >>
    poop XD
    >>
    it's midnight asshole
    >>
    >4k
    holy fuck
    >>
    >>8974113
    piss off, subhuman
    >>
    >>8974113
    wrong thread >>8970152
    >>
    >>8974108
    Controlnets must be trained depending on the model. Some are generic enough that the model can understand the direction you are giving it, but in the case of Anima, it is far too different from other models to be used.
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    The /h/ football team is playing /mu/ in just over 11hours from now at 17.00 UTC. There was a roster poll a few months back which some of you may have voted in and Asuka remains the diffusion player
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    >>8974121
    you piss off and stop trolling too
    >>
    >>8974123
    Kek brownie, it depends on the architecture of the model, not "generic" or "different"
    >>
    >>8974129
    you look like shit? ok lol
    >>
    >>8974129
    Why would I use words you would not understand, if you didn't already know that controlnet doesn't work with Anima? You appeared to be a fairly ignorant person.
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    >>8974132
    But it works? Why wouldn't it?
    >>
    >>8974134
    They don't. Not fully. At best it's a dice roll. I use controlnet because I hate dice rolls.
    >>
    >>8974135
    what did you use?
    >>
    >>8974137
    The Lllite models. Which were all a disappointment. Why bother with them when I can just use anytest or promax models and get better results within a minute in some random shitmix without issues?
    >>
    >>8974138
    that's not controlnet. also you said controlnet doesn't work with anima?
    >>
    >>8974139
    You already had your answer. I will not repeat myself again. Unless you can prove otherwise any claims you make are worthless.
    >>
    >>8974143
    proof what? controlnet does work on anima?
    https://github.com/TaihoC/sd-scripts-animaCN/blob/feat/anima-vace-controlnet/networks/control_net_vace_anima.py
    https://huggingface.co/TaihoC/Anima-ControlNet-VACE-Depth
    https://huggingface.co/khanghy1000/Anima-ControlNet-VACE-Canny
    >>
    >>8974144
    Thanks for proving my point. They work partially, and are a dice roll. Even the best in this list of yours, canny, is a crapshoot.

    Unless I can guide a scene completely, I do not care.
    >>
    >>8974146
    Kek your point is that you can't use controlnet doesn't work with anima
    >>
    >>8974147
    I mean, if your argument is that controlnets compatible with anima "work" because they are on the same level as controlnets from 6 years ago, sure, they "work". Still dogshit though.

    Nice bait. I was almost going to ask you if you knew of anything worthwhile. Apparently not.
    >>
    >>8974151
    Yeah sure, I was baiting a jeet that still stuck with sdxl kek
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    So long as it works.
    >>
    Controlnets for poses defeat the entire purpose of imagen, which is to get an image by just describing it with no other input. I can understand needing a reference image for something the model can't possibly know, like a character whose source material came out after the model, but if you already went through the trouble of finding an image with the exact composition you want, at that point, why not just fap to that?
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    >>8974155
    >which is to get an image by just describing it with no other input.
    Source???
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    I really, really like when things look *EXACTLY* the way I want.
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    aigold
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    >>8974154
    cute
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    >>8974113
    Box pls
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    >>8974169
    fuck off you maggot
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    >>8974123
    Yes, but there are controlnets trained for Anima specifically.
    https://huggingface.co/TaihoC/Anima-ControlNet-VACE-Depth

    And the shitty ones https://huggingface.co/kohya-ss/Anima-LLLite
    https://civitai.com/models/2708551/anima-tile-and-repair-controlnet-lllite
    Lllite aren't true controlnet, just an ugly hack to make them quick to train. Anytest, Tile and Inpaint at least somewhat work, not as good as SDXL. Rest is worthless.
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    >>8974135
    Style tags/lora for this?
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    please release me from this shitty model named anima
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    >>8974113
    box?
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    >>8974223
    Just start playing around with Moss.
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    >>8974293
    it's even worse than anima right now until there's a proper danbooru tune
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    >>8974296
    It's only really missing artists and a lot (but not all) character knowledge, its compositions, details and general prompt comprehension is second to none.
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    >>8974302
    >missing artists and a lot (but not all) character knowledge
    so basically everything
    i'm not using lora cope
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    I will never understand people that can look at styles that are so garbage it's almost painful to look at and go "hey, the composition is second to none here, great image". It's a multiplicative thing. if composition is 10/10 but style is 0/10, then the image is 0/10, how the fuck can you possibly enjoy it?
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    >>8974308
    Repurposed bait or did you have a specific image in mind?
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    >>8974308
    nigger apes do not care about art
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    >>8974308
    I simply give far less of a shit about styles as I do the actual contents of the image. A model that can easily do hot positions and poses with one style is innately more valuable to me than one that can replicate every artist but can't do anything beyond "1girl, pov".
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    >>8974309
    If you enjoy the synthetic styles every single model trained without artist tags averages out to, then the post wasn't about you. Enjoy.
    >>8974311
    Nigger what is the point of watching ugly people play out the whole kamasutra in front of you? They are ugly, nothing they do will ever change that or make watching it enjoyable, unless you are watching it to have a laugh. Which is valid of course, but where is /h/?
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    what do we think about moss
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    ngl the pony very aesthetic slop style is a guilty pleasure of mine
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    >>8974314
    Where did you get the idea that a capable model HAS to have a hideous default style? Nano Banana, GPT-Image and Moss can all only do one generic anime style without add-ons, but it's not like that style is offensively terrible or anything. In fact, I like it more than Anima's and v5's default styles.
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    >>8973324
    I just asked deepseek to make a workflow and nodes for me lel
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    >>8974050
    it should have its workflow no
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    >>8974320
    >it's not like that style is offensively terrible or anything
    Slop styles /are/ offensively terrible. I would even rather have something like >>8974113 , which is a style I do not like at all, than sloptastic shit like >>8974317
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    >>8974325
    Depends on the sloppiness I guess, I instantly discard any 2.9999D shit with defined noses or visible nostrils.
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    >>8974326
    a true anime patriot
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    >>8974325
    It might not be objectively bad even. I just hate it after being exposed to AI for years, and it being the default style all the noobs use for their first shitty gens.
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    >>8974320
    Anima has a default style?
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    >>8974329
    If you over-use quality tags/negs, if you're on aesthetic or turbo, etc.
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    >>8974329
    Every model in existence does, it's the style it spits out when you don't prompt for any artist or anything else related to style. I suppose for technicality's sake I should add "with the recommended positive/negtaive prompt and sampler/scheduler" because those can affect the style too and we need to agree on SOME sort of common ground.
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    ( ‾ ʖ̫‾)
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    >>8974333
    If you actually try that on Anima base without style-heavy tags, it's all over the place almost like a proper foundation model. No consistency at all.
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    why is anima so fucking bad in anything porn related? (penetrations, etc.)
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    >>8974335
    In my experience it was relatively consistent, though I haven't really used Anima since v5 released (and v5 since Moss released).
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    wow moss is very good!
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    >>8974337
    Do you mean bad at making pleasing genitalia? My guess is that the training data contains a much higher percentage of images with censored genitals than for example Illustrious, and therefore is worse at genning it.
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    Moar
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    damn mossad is good
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    >>8974350
    no i mean it doesn't fucking understand which side of dildo should be inserted into the pussy
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    >>8974332
    >>8974333
    In my early tests it was kinda random unless you specified something. Was back on preview3 though.
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    >>8974328
    It's more than just being overexposed to one single art style. You always recognize slop even though it's a new model with a very different style. It's at least as much about how slop art styles have converged on an aggressively mediocre approximation of what people consider visually appealing - which accelerates the issues generally problematic with genAI: Meaningless dramatic lighting, highlights and rim lighting, excessive detail everywhere, no coherent artistic identity.
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    >>8973943
    why not create new images for training using image edit models
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    love these abyss orange mix gens, really nostalgic
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    >>8974350
    illu is pure danbooru, Anima also has deviantart (and ye-pop, but that's mostly sfw). Thing is, most of what people consider illustrious these days is actually a noobAI merge that includes e621, plus a bunch of 2.5D shit.

    Anima is really good at separating style influences from the other datasets, when you prompt more 3D-ish or /aco/-adjacent artists the dicks and pussies get much nicer.

    >>8974359
    That works for characters, not style. You'll run into small-scale of the issue anon outlined above your post.
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    >>8974354
    I think I see what you mean. 1girling with common poses works fine, but it seems to have a tendency to break with less common angles and poses.
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    >>8974354
    >>8974460
    Although i did have noob models do the same when it also got to more obscure poses and angles, just not quite as often.
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    >>8974354
    >>8974460
    >>8974465
    I was surprised by what it did do decent at though.
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    >>8974460
    I suspect it's similar to how prompting "penis" makes more of it visible when you're going for balls deep. Maybe you could do "object insertion" and only mention pink dildo at a low weight or after a certain amount of steps.

    t bh I'm too lazy to first reproduce the issue only to then see if this helps.
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    https://files.catbox.moe/sxs2mq.png
    where tf my dark nipples at moss
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    >>8974499
    the moss guys ask you to use the flux2-small vae
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    >>8974499
    Why is her hair all broken up, covered in sand and artifacts? I can understand generic/slop style since it's not trained for them, but why is the fidelity so fucking bad?
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    >>8974501
    Where was this mentioned? The civitai page links that particular vae, the github user guide makes no mention of it either
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    >>8974512
    >Where was this mentioned?
    a dev mentioned it in the first ama the moss guys did on one of the image gen reddits
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    >>8974358
    >>8974325
    >>8974358
    you're just a shit eater who likes shit. you're a literal downie having a spergout over conventional, attractive japanese style art
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    Aah spooky
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    furs!
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    >>8974621
    lmao
    Were you the one who posted the Moss image and got assmad people made fun of your slopfest garbage?
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    >>8974685
    is this nai or moss
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    >>8974687
    miaomiaoHarem_anima16
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    I've been out of the loop for a while. What's the current meta? Still Anima only or do we get new anime shit?
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    >>8974688
    Can I have the prompt? Fisting is a hit or miss for me.
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    >>8974698
    nothing special really
    masterpiece, best quality, score_7, 1boy, 1girl, bara, muscular male, presenting ass, testicles, penis, 1girl, oral, fellatio, femdom, assertive female, hetero, large pectorals, male nipples, sitting, spread legs, @lvlv, demon girl, demon horns, looking at viewer, embarrassed, blush, anal fisting, legs up, testicles, perineum, panties aside, pussy, breasts
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    >>8974349
    He is not a bad artist, I like the way he shades, but my god, he really fucks up hands something fierce.
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    >>8974689
    yes sirs. the latest hotness is redeem my fat sweaty cock you bloody benchod.
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    Good morning ( ‾ ʖ̫‾)
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    it's the middle of the evening >:(
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    >>8974740
    bibiciibox?
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    >>8974742
    >>8974740
    your whore mom should've aborted you
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    >>8974674
    no but it's obvious that you're the gigantic samefag who's always getting mad at shiny art
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    Shiny art is highlighter's thread culture uwu
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    >>8974755
    Nta but if you mean that ffm schizo's posts, they are indeed really bad, but he admitted himself that he likes sd 1.5 "aesthetic". I don't even dislike shiny skin if it doesn't look like bottom of the barrel aislop.
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    >>8974759
    these threats had generally had so much better looking art in late 2023 early 2024. too much weird, troll, cringe and borderline offtopic/aco shit now
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    >>8974757
    damn. i love highlightGOD now
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    >>8974759
    >ffm
    ?
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    >>8974760
    its not really surprising anyone actually doing quality art wouldnt want to stick around with this lot of schizos and retards
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    To be honest, I don't really prompt porn all that much. I got into writing and ended up starting a romantasy comic. Sorry.
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    >>8974772
    Based enlightened writechad
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    Can someone give me the rundown on how to properly get SD to make pubic bushes? I ideally want her entire crotch obscured like how it is in step 8. It's so hard for it to make hair anywhere but the mons pubis, above the clit.

    Is there a good LorA to use? Is there a specific sampling method, schedule type, upscaler, or another setting to use? Is illustrious just not able to make that kind of stuff? Is pubic hair easier to edit on than to generate from the beginning?
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    >>8974788
    You literally posted an art guide right there. Just gen a bare pussy and spend a few minutes painting in the bush by hand.
    It's a bunch of random lines, how hard can it be?
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    Easy.
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    >>8974788
    do not prompt pussy if it's meant to be fully obscured by bush
    that plus "excessive pubic hair" is usually enough
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    >>8974621
    This post is so fucking funny to me. For one he loves slop and calls it "conventional, attractive japanese style art", and then proceeds to accuse someone else of loving eating shit. And then he replies to someone calmly explaining why they don't like slop by angrily insulting them out of nowhere while at the same time accusing them of having a spergout.
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