I'm not talking about a proprietary one later made open source, im talking about one intended to be open source & community developed from the start. Potentially with a governing non profit organization administering it, like there is with other free software alternatives (linux, gnu, kde, etc.).It could be made self hostable by default but with popular servers hosted by larger organizations. Every server could be compiled with their own set of feature patches. But all servers would share the same fundamental framework.Imagine anyone could make a patch that adds a new dungeon to world of warcraft or a new skill to runescape. It would be quite cool i think, no?
>>110207444Why not make it yourself? Just plug in Claude and let it rip dood.
>>110207444What's the point when hacking it would be trivial.
>>110207444because open source is just communism. if you dont have big dick making the decisions and clamping down on hoes. it just turns to shit. thats why linux went to shit once linus stopped being very abrasive. freetards just got lucky for so long that he wasn't a push over until recently
>>110207444 (checked)No use case.
>>110207449im not looking to do it myself im more just wondering why a project like this never came to be when we have free alternatives for every other proprietary software
>>110207451online games validate things on the server sidethere is nothing to hack unless you have access to the literal server machine
crossfirefusionfall via openfusion (we have pretty much all the assets now iirc)stendhaland a few others probably.
>>110207444because mmos are the hardest games to make from scratch and all the rich people are basically selfish pedofiles that would rather shit in the mouth of some minor amongst their friends on a yacht while fleecing the goyim to make their bank acc number go up even more than pay a dozen million and spend time and passion on making literally anything good for the general dirty peasant pleb public, let alone making a video game.
>>110207444>Imagine anyone could make a patch that adds a new dungeon to world of warcraftPservers do this already
>>110207512yeah but with significantly more effort than it should take. Also they get taken down eventually due to legal
>>110207444The real interesting thing would be a proper mmorpg protocol with a reference implementation, even better if it was p2p>governing non profit organizationGay>>110207503There's nothing hard about it.
>>110207516AI reverse engineering is fixing it
>>110207457Technically every WoW Pserver that is running 3.3.5a and versions below is open sourced now.
Ryzom is open source and still running. There was another one but it is not as popular.
i don't think anyone plays mmorpgs anymore, that was a millennial thing and millennials don't have time to play games anymore and zoomers are playing fortnite and roblox on their phones
>>110207444Ah runescape, now THAT was a terrible fucking "game"!
>>110207444open source only works for utalitarian things with no creativity involved like operating systems"governing non profit organizations" have no creativity
>>110207444https://github.com/samwhosung/benilla
>>110207931FOSS doesn't imply a governance model, lots of projects are BDFL and that's what work best in my opinion anyway.
>>110207444MMOs are gay.
>>110207950>governing non profit organizationsis what he saidthere's no reason for a game to be open source when it's developed by a closed team
>>110207985FOSS has nothing to do with "governing non profit organizations" OP is a faggot for wanting that garbage.
>>110208004If you were developing a game with a closed team why would you make it FOSS
>>110208004>governing non profit organizationsi didn't mean they would own the software anon. I'm just referring to a group of volunteers who would manage the PRs and such like there is with every other large FOSS software. Everyone would be free to fork at any time of course.
>>110208022>a group of volunteerswhy would anyone competent work for free?
>>110208010I have no idea what you even mean, FOSS is just any software that respects the four user freedoms, it says nothing about how you manage its development, plenty of good FOSS sofware with closed development like SQLite.>>110208022>such like there is with every other large FOSS softwareAll those large FOSS software are garbage exactly because they have powertripping volunteers organized around a bureacratic framework (usually a non-profit organization as you said), all the good projects use a BDFL or a freeform community.
>>110208029idk why dont you go ahead and email literally any of the hundreds of FOSS maintainers in existence and ask them why they do it
>>110208054And why would you "respect the four user freedoms"What do game developers gain from that
>>110208056I can't be bothered doing that, I'm not a freetard, but as someone with a developed skillset I'd never waste my time working for free unless I was getting something else out of it
>>110208058Generally FOSS developers are also users of their own software, it is very much on their own interest to respect their own freedoms.
>>110208093I can play the games I make without following any of RMS's retarded commandments
>>110207444>why>open sourceit would be infiltrated and munged. as with anything, to be allowed to exist there has to be a way for the grifter overlords to extract life force from you and yours
>>110207444I have a text based MMO (MUD) that's open sores. https://github.com/mars-mud/MARS Though I've been on a 2 year hiatus from it. MULTI ADVENTURER ROLEPLAYING SYSTEM. Mostly based on D&D3.5 with some AD&D and 5.0 stuff mixed in. I have a private version with multi classing and a bunch of other shit. Anyone who wants to clone it and play with it and do some PRs is welcome
>>110207444https://ko-yardim.com/forums/prosedur-kaynak-kod-ve-query-kod-paylasimlari.95/
>>110207444>I don't like decision biggest project has made, imma fork it>i don't like decision forked project made, imma fork it againyeah so you'll end up with like a hundred different snowflake versions (mostly abandoned) and the player base fractured and split between them.
>>110207444MMOs are a business model. It's just incompatible with open source.
>>110207444Because you're not an ideas guy. The ideas guy doesn't exist. You have no talent and no skill and no vision to make anything interesting.
>>110207453>because open source is just communism.Define "communism".
>>110208029>Why do people have hobbies?
>>110207444Heh..it's called a MUDno..I haven't played one either...
>>110207937>cl*ude>r*st
>>110207453You bet Linus got some very specific threats by three-letter agencies
>>110207444>Imagine anyone could make a patch that adds a new dungeon to world of warcraft or a new skill to runescape. It would be quite cool i think, no?that sounds absolutely terrible and you have no idea about good game design
>>110207857So terrible it reached the top of miniclip!
>>110207444MMOs need a playerbase and with open source your playerbase is fragmented by design
>>110207444There are several. Ryzom, The Mana World, Stendhal, etc.
>>110207797No, the problem is that all MMOs committed suicide and became pure singleplayer experiences (solo is the single most efficient way to play, the only "interaction" you have with people is to railroad dungeons every so often which just automatches you with others so they may as well be NPCs).When FlyFF reopened with a almost entirely vanilla experience in 2023(?), it got 800k users active. Now it's down to about 300k and holding.The only thing that's not true to MMO nature is that people use personal shops to advertise discords, or to tell people to reach out to them on discord to setup trades, which really sucks. Discord did a number on videogame communication and really fucked shit up.Eitherway, the point is that despite FlyFF being niche and frankly not a great MMO, it still ends up with a large playerbase despite ancient mechanics and graphics, and those are largely not just nostalgiafags. OSRS is a frankenabomination, but in spirit it's the same thing. And then wow original, same thing, and again maplestory og, and dofus og, etc. All the MMOs are doing that because the problem is that nuMMOs just play suck. Everything else is an excuse.
>>110208547SS13 is basically like that, yet the playerbase does not have a fragmentation problem.
>>110209385Try infernomoo
>>110207482nigga u cant be serious
>>110211473it was kino when i was a kid, okay?
>>110207453okay saar
>>110207444Subhumans who play MMORPGs do not care about source code. They just need their daily dopamine shot from doing menial tasks over and over again.
>>110207444Thinking about getting back into osrs, haven't played it in a really long time.
>>110207444https://asciicker.com/
>>110207444Because design by committee always ends up producing shit.
>>110211653>doing menial tasks over and over again.MMORPGs are the worst possible genre. There is nothing fulfilling about it. Just fake progress, no actual reward. At least JRPGs give you a story and hopefully memorable characters.>>110212179>Because design by committee always ends up producing shit.This too. You need the vision of an auteur for the best chance of a good result.
>>110207444You never played Daimonin?
>>110212341>spiderweb software assets
>>110207444I want an offline OSRS with bots running around to make the world feel alive. Just like the real thing basically, without me having to give money to Jewgex. Is it really too much to ask?
>>110207444because building an mmo is genuinely tough and therefore filters AI jeets like Linus and nocoders like Stallman
>>110212836https://github.com/2004sp/2004sp-progressive
There are plenty. Even I have made one shitty open source MMORPG engine that includes a world editor, client, stress testing client and the server.
This has happened already but you're failing to realize it.WoW and EverQuest (and probably others that I didn't observe) both generated fan-based open-source projects during the 2000s that reverse-engineered servers and network infrastructure that would function with the client software. In both cases, as soon as the project was within striking distance of a launchable product, the individuals who recognized this made allies with those capable of creating the missing puzzle pieces and took their codebase private. The reason is that there is a limited amount of money to be made so a self-interested person with sufficient intelligence gravitates towards eliminating excess feeders from the trough.
>>1102074441. It's a huge and technically difficult endeavor.2. Maintaining the infrastructure can be costly.3. Freetards don't have taste outside of the code (i.e. almost every OSS looks like shit) and it's hard to attract people from other disciplines to work for free.
>>110207444This is the meta plot of Sword Art Online lmao
Anyone competent enough to make an MMO from scratch is not spending their time working for 0 dollars.
>>110214429>I am retarded so everyone else must be retarded>already extensively prebunked throughout the thread>still can't read
>>110214550>>already extensively prebunked throughout the threadhe wasn'tno competent game developer works for free
>>110207444we already have server implementations for many mmo, feel free to contribute or use them.just a warning : gamers are manchildren, your job will be managing drama after drama, at some point you'll wonder why you even interact with all of these retards and either just stop working or you will go private.this is happening ALL THE TIME in the emulator world, gamers are the WORST contributors and the WORST project leaders you can find out there, I've experienced thsi first-hand years ago while working on mango (wow server that died because of retarded drama) and if you want a more modern example see the latest drama around the mario kart android apk, all these "people" aren't really human, they can't cooperate for shit and deserve absolutely fucking nothing.I used to side with gamers wrt mtx and stuff but now I understand why they consider gamers are cattles, that's because they are.
>>110214278«The Seed» is a game engine with assets like unreal is today
>>110214793>heIQ status: not found
>>110213810Thank you.
I'd love an MMO like RuneScape that focused entirely on the horizontal progression of the skill system, but stretch it out over "200m" exp instead of 1-99, if you get the RS reference to gameplay style. Make a provision that over the course of a year no 1 skill or training method can increase in efficiency more than ~2% from all updates to the game and now you have a MMO that will last 30+ years, with a curated update path that doesn't invalidate your progression if you miss 2 years due to IRL shit.I mean, there probably is enough free and open parts for programming - especially with the rise of AI coding - that i could cobble something like this together, but i think my autistic view of what makes a game good is a rare thing.
>>110207950it really grinds my gears when despots are called benevolent, no, they are always malevolent, good people do not accept being dicktators
>>110208029Two types of people in this world, if given a magic beanstalk, one would feed the world beans, the other would corner the bean market and charge extra.You know deep down who you want to be in the room with, and which one is unwelcome but stays through force
>>110207444Because it's not the game itself that's hard to maintain, it's server upkeep running 24/7 for all the players. An open source project is not going to have the funding to maintain that
>>110207444There is, it's called Mana World. I played it back in 2013. I logged back in a few years ago and it still exists but it's dead.
>>110211337>post got warned for waayyycismWhy are mods such thin skinned redditards. Anyone points out they're wrong about anything and bam, random threats or outright abuse. Who let the staff become fully brown tranny redditards?
>>110207444There are a few but like other Anons said, just tell your clanker what you want him to make and at worst you'll have to make or buy some assets for it.>>110217948It's been like this for years bro, this is just reddit without names now old chan culture is long dead and gone and you will not find it "hidden away" anywhere "out there".
>>110216257>if given a magic beanstalkskill isn't something you're givenskill is something you acquire through hard work, so people who acquire skills want something in return
>>110218228his example isn't perfect, but the point is that some people do just want to make the world a better place.lots of foss was made with no intention of making money or fame off of it, and are provided purely for the common good. as the idea of foss is getting more popular, we're starting to see more people who don't really get this. there's more and more cases of people who release software under say MIT who get mad when someone forks their project, which tells me they don't understand what foss is
>>110218308The idea that you suddenly aren't making the world a better place if you charge for your services is retardedPeople have bills to pay
>>110218314you can sell foss, often foss is monetised in other ways, like providing support or some kind of added convenient option depending on what it is (like say release the core software as foss but maybe have some frontend that isn't, or provide the software source code for free but the prebuilt/app store versions cost money)from the start even in the gpl it's made clear that it's not about being free of cost.people do regularly pay for software which is foss
>>110218325>you can sell fossdid you even read the reply thread? >>110216257
>>110218325>google maps but completely unusable>$99.99
>>110218330i've been using it for 16 years, i'd hardly call it unusable.i like that you can edit the map yourself and it works entirely offline, so you can use it in the middle of nowhere or in other countries (without paying for local service)i haven't actually paid for it, i use the f-droid version, though considering how much use i get out of it, i probably should.
>>110218329>retard can't readClassic
>>110218343the example was someone who gives away what they have for free vs someone who charges for it
>>110218351Feeding the world doesn't mean feeding the world with 0 input funds. Cornering the market specifically means nobody else can provide beans of any kind.Why are you zoomers literally illiterate?
>>110218351selling foss is a bit different to selling proprietary software. with foss (at least with the gpl), the source code has to be made freely available (when providing binaries, be it charged or not), historically there are provisions in there for allowing for charging for the cost of obtaining the source code (i.e. things like mailing discs), though that's not a thing anymore because we have things like github who will host it for free nowadays.you could try offering only the source code for a fee, though there's nothing stopping someone who buys it from sharing it to others, it wouldn't be foss if they couldn't. i doubt this'd work in practice since most normal people have no use for the source code itself, it's better to charge for binaries
>>110218379If you read the previous replies we were talking about volunteersStop being a dishonest retard
>>110218391You can use the fee to account for competition risk also. Like for example it is allowable to request a $10000 fee for source access for GPL software you otherwise provide only compiled. That is for GPLv3 only, for v2 you can only charge for the fee of distribution. I actually don't know why nobody is leveraging this because it's a good middleground so long as you have someone good to do the impact modeling to set the price correctly. Ultimately it's not really any different than selling a share in your business in that way.
>>110218432One person could simply pay the fee then upload it online for everyone else to use
