Previous: >>110189939CostCo Glizzy Edition>UIsComfyUI: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUISwarmUI: https://github.com/mcmonkeyprojects/SwarmUIKritaAI: https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusionForge Classic/Neo: https://github.com/Haoming02/sd-webui-forge-classicInvokeAI: https://github.com/invoke-ai/InvokeAI>Image ModelsIL: https://rentry.org/illustrious_checkpointsAnima: https://huggingface.co/circlestone-labs/AnimaKrea: https://huggingface.co/krea/Krea-2-TurboNovelAI (paid): https://novelai.netMoss: https://huggingface.co/Comfy-Org/MOSS-Image>Video ModelsH3: https://huggingface.co/Comfy-Org/MiniMax-H3Turbo lora: included above>How to generate anime:image : https://rentry.org/comfyui_guide_1girlvideo: https://rentry.org/wan22ldgguide (No H3 guide yet)>Style ExplorersAnima: https://anima.mooshieblob.com/ | https://animadex.net/Illustrious: https://tagexplorer.github.io>Checkpoints, LoRAs, Upscalers, & Workflowshttps://civitai.comhttps://civitaiarchive.comhttps://tensor.arthttps://openmodeldb.infohttps://www.seaart.aihttps://www.liblib.art/>Resources:Share Metadata: https://litterbox.catbox.moeImg2Prompt: https://huggingface.co/spaces/fancyfeast/joy-caption-beta-oneOnline metadata viewer SD/NovelAI: https://spell.novelai.devCatbox/Metadata Userscript: [Gist] README.mdOutput cleanup: https://rentry.org/RemovingDiffusionGunk , https://www.mediafire.com/file/vipr23exc5htmnt (batch processing python script)Inpainting Guide from an Anon: https://files.catbox.moe/fbzsxb.jpg >>106520607>/adt/ logo:https://files.catbox.moe/pakfgt.png
>>110206984See >>110207122 for explanation. This thread might either be #157 or #158.Most of the deleted threads have 20 or less posts, one exception being a #147 dupe with 104 posts.
>>110207145yeah i saw it. thanks for the work. i guess leaving it as 157 should be fine then
Which thread number it is?
>>110207184Doesnt matter this general began with reposts to trick anon into thinking it was active
I slop-coded a character tag database auditor in pytkinter. It lets me speed through each set of character tags and add/remove whatever ccip grounding got wrong. Often ccip grounding is very good, but sometimes it mixes up characters that to humans are obviously different.I'd package my whole toolchain but the likely issue is most people can't run a decent captioner LLM locally for it to be worth it. Also, Mac-only, because those are the only people who ever pay. Sucks, but time and electricity aren't free.
>>110207200It matters. Posting in the wrong thread number is just as serious offense as posting in a hijacked OP.
>>110207488Kek
>>110207488Goyslop?
>>110208245ye basically. just a dumb mix of oil and goy
I'm back to these threads y'all
>6 hours for a 5mbp 15s videothe pika h3 lora is nice but can't work miracles i guess
Halloween gens though?
>>110206984Touhou is not anime, newfag.
>>110209313
>>110209361Thanks>>110209329AI isn't anime
>>110209361the perfect body type
>>110208460Nice texture, is it just the "detailed shadows" tag doing that? In v4.5 I could gaslight the model into anime screenshots and tweak textures with -1::tags:: without losing consistency but in v5 that trick doesn't work anymore any texture edits throw off the style or ruin the result seemingly tied to that specific seed.
>>110208460this one actually looks like someone drew it, if only her boobs were consistent
>>110208460Local keks could never
>>110209631Most of people who draw go through the same kinds of mistakes we are talking about here. Attention overload is real and little things slip past you, the difference is we have to pay closer attention and stay in control of the output.
I hate yappers
>>110209942No you dont get it, novelai gens really DO look like someone drew them, dont compare localslop to it, its never gonma give that impression
Lmao
>>110209942i don't think that kind of thing would happen with a real drawing, since the tits/arm would be outlined in full with overlapping lines, so when you go to fill in the arm later the shape of the tits are already established.not to say i haven't seen hand-drawn pictures with this kind of mistake (discontinuity when a foreground breaks up something behind it), but it's rarer when things are planned properly. meanwhile ai gens mess this up regularly
>>110209961Based
>>110209976Dunno, MOSS seem to be pretty good so far.See pic related and >>>/d/11598962
>>110210058No that's... fetid dogshit...
>>110210081Oh, okay. I will try better.
Browsing civitai is vomit inducing
>>110210058Yeah if you leave aesthetic behind is the sucessor of sdxl. Anima was a false god
>>110210058Anima deltamix can do the same
>>110210513This is like the worst gen of the day thanks
>>110210522the moss version is equally slop
>>110210695Yeah, but anima *sucks*
>>110207488nooo why would she do that
>>110209875sounds like a challenge
>>110210971Slop
>>110210971Hey at least you tried
>>110210971Anatomically consistent, human oriented, nice muscle attachments and bone structure... for a creature that's supposed to be a boneless octopus. Guess the lab that trained your sterilized model figured /d/ tier anatomy wasn't worth putting in the dataset.
Is the skill level in this general that low?The NAI faggot gets btfo in /ldg/ daily with minimal effort. Does he target low skill promoters or something?
>>110211057>The NAI faggot gets btfo in /ldg/ daily with minimal effort. Does he target low skill promoters or something?He's fucking trolling. That's it. Are you people that dumb? He's posting pictures of spider-man as an example for fucks sake. How much more blatant can he be?
>>110211055uhuh, the anatomy isn't any different to what it's a response to. something tells me you didn't see what i was replying to>>110211030yea, can't spend all night on it. it's an excuse to learn to proompt better. it's fun trying to match an existing image since it forces you to learn how to guide it towards a specific outcome rather than just being happy with a dice roll
>>110211057> is the skill level in this general that low?Yep, anons who join generals with big names like "anime diffusion general" are usually the worst genners. Good genners stay away from names that are bigger than they are btw
>>110211078/ldg/ still btfo's him and make fun of him for being a cuck>>110210005Can be done better in Moss tooI expected more from this general
>>110211094>it's an excuse to l(...) than just being happy with a dice rollNice LARP, I used to think that way too. See you in a while, anon, happy learning curve.
Now.
>>110211147not sure what you're getting at
>>110211142/ldg/ has better genners who step outside their comfort zone and you can scrape NAI keys really easily.
>>110211151you know i didn't claim it was better or anything, right? man this thread is ass
>>110211142>/ldg/ still btfo's him and make fun of him for being a cuckYou probably don't get the concept of trolling anon. His purpose isn't "winning", he just wants to annoy people and derail the threads. He's probably giggling behind his computer while he posts those shitty spider-man pictures (I don't think it's even NAI but thats besides the point ). I know because that's what I did when I was, like, 15.
>>110211151Also the style shift between character and background in local
>>110211178>styleWhere? Its alll semi realistic slop
>>110211172I know, I just had to like make a funny meme out of it, at least you posted a gen
>>110211176There are more spiteful and dedicated trolls in /ldg/ that get btfo'ed and meltdown daily
>>110211176>I don't think it's even NAI but thats besides the point Holy cope lmao!!!!!!https://files.catbox.moe/hpzhcf.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/4rdx8k.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/bocypo.jpg
>>110211210doesn't seem like this is a thread for getting tips or really talking about the technology, just posting pictures and making fun of others' pictures
>>110211172Anons here who are only into anime end up in a kind of creative inbreeding so their skill is much much lower and weak.
>>110211078>He's posting pictures of spider-man as an example for fucks sake.You cant do that in local even if you shitbake a million loras thougheverbait
>>110211245>making fun of others' picturesb-based??
>>110211247i'm having a go at finding ways to make my images look worse so they appear more hand-made. this is just for fun for me, learned lots of terms for drawing concepts i didn't know before
>>110211261Hey thats not bad for local
*takes a deep breath*STILLUSINGNAIthanks for reading ^^!
>>110211269is naisbut i just saw the leopard spots on taiga's thighhighsit's over
>>110211269Wait thats not local... is it?
>>110211261Local could never>>110211276Based
>>110211276Yeah I see, i apologize for Anlatan® for mistaking a generation made on their glorious engine for "local".
>>110211210oh you want to know the funniest part? i posted >>110209631lol
>>110210058Local>>110211261NAILmaooooo
>>110211261Very cute.Good feeling for your work to inspire others.But Iori should be a white serval/lynx not a cow.
>>110211303i clearly need to get better at recognizing big cats
>>110210058>too close to camera, sameface, same pose, bad shadows, no volumetric lighting or depth in their tummies>>110211261>literal perfection, almost looks like a 3D sculpture adapted to anime
idk why we allow cloud-generated images on /g/. even local model pictures hardly belong on /g/ but cloud stuff is just pictures, there's nothing technology-related to even talk about with them
>>110211308Honestly, I just used "white with black spots".
>>110211315Nah I wanna see what anons are doing and experimenting with on local. Cloud is yeah, they can take that shit to xitter
Nigga really said I dont think those spiderman pics are NAI. They were THAT good.
>>110211142>an be done better in Moss tooI'm good though, keep your "this local model cured my cousin's arthritis" to yourself, I'm not your next Herbalife recruit.
>110211365>a pyramid scheme for something free and it's yours
>>110209313Very spooky ghost.Low effort local MOSS.
>>110211411The scheme is pretending to have skills cause u gotta inpaint all day
>>110210971worked out a way to get simpler looking wood/stone. need to find ways to simplify the rain
>>110211411Free =/= free of cost. The pyramid runs on unpaid work when they release a failed model and your time, your loras, your finetunes, your custom nodes, your "based skillchad learning curve", your "prompt skill training" like this stupid faggot larps >>110211094 are what finish the product for them.And if you ask me whether I want a defective tool for free? Of course fucking not.
>>110211503learning how to do it is the fun part, though.
oops too much amateur
>>110211503trvke
>>110211520You are learning something that will be obsolete, thats the thing.
>>110209545Seems like it, I have that and the normal questionably functional quality tags>medium complexityand artist:bayard wu, who only has like 50 danbo entries, so I imagine the Nai buried anime screenshot setting is doing some heavy lifting
>>110211549and?
>>110211559Your efforts are still dogshit compared to NAI? Like go and flip burgers for 2 hours for a better use of your time? Damn.
>>110211568>why try something when someone else can do it betterlike i said, because it's fun
>>110211578You find this fun? I dont find it fun that I log into civitai and all I see are sub 100 iq thirdies posting shitmixes and wannabe e-celebs pretending their fine tunes polishes the turd that are local models.
>>110206984She’s just like me…
>>110211606civit's blocked where i live, lol. i know how to get around it but i haven't been there in ages. only ever downloaded a few loras from it
>Post tako>Go sleep>Wake up>People are gen'ing her and fightingC-conflict breeds creativity?
>>110211520Do not mistake having fun with the reward system for solving a problem.
>>110211893solving problems is fun
>>110211907You cant solve a fiat panda into a lamborghini
>>110211916solving a problem with my car is more fun than buying a new car
>>110211979>>110211151
>>110211999yep, and i'm having fun seeing if i can can make something similar :)you're not getting this, are you?
>>110212009Dude, he genned that shit in 1 go, with a basic ass prompt, less than 10 seconds...You're not getting this, are you?
Locals put limits to their animation, since they have to waste it tard wrangling a model
>>110212014exactly. that's boring
>>110211261Hahaha, I never knew Iori was voiced by Kugimiya Rie because all I did was look at her fan art and make gens of her.I am now enlightened. Thanks.
>>110209313>come on, anon! Hop on!
>>110211006needs correction...#!
>>110212055>still doesnt get itAnon, he wastes time on complex stuff you wouldnt be able to do locally.
>>110211176>>110211239I noticed that I fucked up the metadata on my spidermen. Proof that its NAI.https://files.catbox.moe/utb051.jpg https://files.catbox.moe/lx52wt.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/nmkdhz.jpg
>>110212245Try posting PNG not JPG...
>>110211531things i've learned so far;- 8-step lora actually kinda sucks if you want something specific- sft is way more consistent, but just can't do some stuff (easily)base is so random but it does do things like the hand-drawn inaccurate/broken outlines and the lip fang which sft really doesn't want to do.
>>110212280it werks now tho
>>110212200different architecture, different dataset, different everything, and yet anima still inherits the shading style of those Illustrious shitmerges
>>110212329Have you never seen how gigaslopped base Cosmos 2 is?
>>110211907Yeah? Say that to him.
>>110212322nyo
>>110212329maybe that's just the true representation of how anime fanart looks>different datasetis it really? danbooru vs. gelbooru is not that different
>>110212402I expressed myself badly, but better put, a different person was in charge of tagging and curating the dataset, even >>110212379 if Anima has catastrophic forgetting what a shame that it couldn't forget the slop
>>110212397https://files.catbox.moe/utb051.jpg
That seeds not gonna work tho since I they recalibrated the gpus or some shit not long ago
>>110212508I see
>>110212514that's still a jpg bwo, it's not gonna workpost the png
>>110212617I dont have the png cause thats done with their standard resolution tier and I dont bother much with those, but it should work
>>110212014did you really just boast that you post things you've put 0 effort into?
>>110212648You don't realize how bad you made yourself look posting that prompt. Since you're unable to do things correctly let me tell you what it did. It took your shit tier prompt fed it to a high tier LLM and fixed it and even then it had horrible hand issues which is embarrassing
>>110212595She could swing on my web any day
>>110212686>let me tell youYou dont get to do that local kek
>>110212686>high tier LLMAt least we're moving the goalpost
>noooo you need to write PRAGRAPHS AND PARAGRAPHS you cant just write "make spiderman lole" and get this level of quality!!!
>>110212686>It took your shit tier prompt fed it to a high tier LLM and fixed itIn what time? NAI gens take like 2 seconds.
now making a saviorfag bot lol
>>110212749>>110212705You're not really intelligent and probably have no actual understanding of the technology behind any of this. Comfy nodes are built into wfs already that do what the other anon is explaining, even if you can't fit both models at once you can offload the llm after.
>>110212839You're not really intelligent yourself if you post that dogshit gen and expect me to read that cope
>>110212839What does that have to do with NAI though?
The irony of scatjack explaining comfyui and talking about intelligence
>>110212855The model like all paid models put the prompt through a "Refine" pass where they tailor it to what the model works best with. Most local models now come with that out the box and there are comfy nodes that do that step while being exposed to the user.>>110212851Sorry you can't keep up with me
>>110212874wrong one
>>110212874You have no sources on nai using any of that, and other anons already told you any prompt is processed instantly. But seeing your gens, you're simply very very braindead.
Must really suck to be technologically incompetent and feel the need to lash out at others because of it at the tune of staying up overnight.
>>110212874>The model like all paid models put the prompt through a "Refine" pass where they tailor it to what the model works best withPretty sure they don't. I'm not the NAI troll, but I did use both NAI and local models (haven't used moss yet tho), and there's no indication that they are doing a "refine pass" for any of their image models. There's a "quality tags" toggle, there's also a recent addition of teXt tag when you use quotes in prompts, and that's pretty much it. They are more similar to local anime models than to something like chatgpt or nano banana.
>>110212925Well then I'll let them have it but I still haven't seen anything that can't be done locally, this sperg stayed up all night in multiple threads bitching and moaning while posting things both krea2 and moss can do without bboxes. If the model can work off of low quality prompts like that fine, the spiderman image had jacked hands no actual background and was uninspired. If it has the 90s animated series in it's dataset who cares?
>>110212874>The model like all paid models put the prompt through a "Refine" pass where they tailor it to what the model works best with.>>110212769
>>110212937Uhhhh... what exacrly did I post about krea and moist last night? Im not your personal boogeyman, schizo.
>>110212954What a cool gen, I wonder if I can it locally somehow..
>>110212874How do you explain seed reproduction if the prompt goes through an enhancer with a different model? They use a bbox system, but I think you are projecting local technology onto closed source. Remember that NAI invested 1M dollars in training (almos x10 than Anima) and trained far longer than any local anime model. They have a custom UNET arch and also have on their team a group of finetuners, artists who make datasets on demand for whatever is needed as well as an art director.
>>110212937He's just shitting up threads for the sake of it. First time seeing a mentally ill person on 4chan?
>>110212965At the rate he's going for days without posting anything impressive while complaining in multiple generals he gets tiring,All he does is post Millennial slop and cries when people post better things. He's upset that he's priced out of the market or never could afford the tech and feels the need to gloat about his sub or bottom feeder discord free credits. It's really pathethic
>>110212954not anime but i really coollooks like a 00s comicteen vibes and limp bizkit tho
>>110213000Thanks, with local AI I could've never made it true
>>110212903Now do Reimu and Sanae trying to outcompete each other with their 'assets'.
They are looking at the thread right now.
>>110212981>He's upset that he's priced out of the market or never could afford the techngl, I'm upset too. Don't think I'll use anything better than my 3060 pc for several more years. And I wanted a better laptop at some point too, and now gaming laptops are like 2.5x times more expensive in my place than they used to be.
When you combine people who know what they are doing with a huge budget you get NAIv5, plain and simple.
>>110209313so this is supposed to be scary... but here goes.
>>110213147I'm very scared, she's gonna drain my semen.
>>110213147Dayum, very cool details, do they persist?
>>110212954I like how NAI captured even the original series' color palette, good job anon.
>>110213104>exhibitionist>flasher>prostituteI don't think they have any right to judge us.
>>110213205What's wrong with first two tho??
>>110213187But a robot did it, not him! He didn't train a lora, he didn't curate a Spider Man dataset, he paid a subscription and a robot did it for him, he cheated, he cheated!!!
>>110213104erotic tummy box?
>>110213227literally this scene when someone complains that an AI did ithttps://youtu.be/OqjEGI2jk2A
>>110213147Demon lord from a manhwa vibes.
>>110213039
>>110213322Very nice! But since when are there bras in gensokyo?
>>110213333Listen man.....
>>110213205which is which?
>>110213322>>110212903What style is that?
>>110213394scatjak slop
>>110213360Should be obvious.
>>110213236https://d.uguu.se/GlRCRrme.png
>>110213449thank thank you thanks, there are 3 o in nooodles btw
>>110213394Lora made from some of my old styles>>110213402He's just seething pay him no mind, ask him to show what he could make and he won't
>>110213104That brown girl seems out of place
>>110213469Very good!
>>110213468oh shit
>>110213488girl on the left got quasarcake'd, others didn't, kek
>>110213488Why would Nadia be out of place there?
>>110213556Not a Ghibli charscter.also she has another style
>>110213227what the fuck did you say chud
This one was a bit annoying to make. If anyone has tips to produce these types of compositions in IL I would appreciate it
>>110209361>>110212200G-g-g-g-gulp! Ummm........... mods?
>>110214087 they aren't interacting, buthow you did you blend the light between the characters with Illustrious alone?Why so much effort to your goons?
i want to buy an external hard drive to store my goons, how many goons fit in a 5tb including images and videos?
>>110214293yeah forgot to mention that the reason why it took so much time is because I couldn't figure it out so I just told Gemini (disgusting) to do it
>>110213756Effort alone isn't a substitute for results faggot.
>>110214087controlnet and regional prompting are the main compositional tools for IL models. I think controlnet is quite a bit better since I couldnt really get regional prompting (might be called forge couple if using forge) to work reliably. then a low denoise like 0.15 img2img pass can help with lighting
>>110213449>>110213104W-why are you sharing a catbox link? Are you telling me those superb painterly textures are l-local?? I'm scared to open it, bros... I don't want to click it and find out it was made with a local model...
>>110214607
>>110214551Yeah, but can you get that kind of lighting with EPS models? I think you have to use undertrained vpred or more undertrained RF models.Cloud edit model that doesn't change the image, then control how much light you add with layer transparency seems like a sensible fix.
>>110214551Sorry, but how exactly do you use ControlNet for compositions? So far I haven't figured how to do it myself so I resort to regional.>>110214607What is it about catbox links?
>>110214087I miss your lazy goons bro
>>110214647you could try basically drawing in some vague shapes of where character X, Y and Z go and use the scribble controlnet. didnt work too badly when i used it before but i havent used controlnets or IL in a while.
why are we still discussing this outdated shit
>>110214654you mean my 1girl, looking at viewer slop? That'lll be back soon, I wanna make a Tachyon or Koume idk>>110214711Will investigate that.
this was one of the attempts with regional prompting to get the picture only with local. I tried running it pure with no loras to get the composition right and then do some fixing in another workflow, but the feature bleeding was too annoying so I gave up and decided to just gen one by one and fix it up in post.
>>110214953why are you whitewashing kuro bro, that's her selling point
>>110215184it's moss
>>110215174Model? (Please be NAI!)
>>110215289https://h.uguu.se/AHLiNMLm.pngStop being a retarded faggot.
>>110215289ITS NAI V5
>>110215346I said stop.
>>110215289Take it easy anon, it was NAI all along.
>>110215340I don't want your metadata, I only need to know the name of the model. To hell with your tags.>>110215346>>110215398Thanks, anons, I'm calmer now.Peace.
>>110215174UWAA... is this a real artist or AI?
>>110215398fake
>>110215340>sloppy background and blendingFake nai slop?
>>110215455It's NAI, but >>110215398 is fake metadata.
>>110212946It's Catjak having a local model moment, let him be.
>>110212387It is important to focus on what is possibru, bro.
We don't all start int he same place, but we sure can make the best of it, desu.
I have yet to see a NAI gen in this thread look as good as the high tier local gens in this thread
>>110215735Do 1 spiderman
>>110215831Anime?
>>110215841Yes.
>>110215869really not retard, you're afraid to post anything
seething
>>110215640Kek
>>110215878
>>110216092Is that... is that really a NAI gen?
>>110216104Moss
Is angy birds anime?
>>110216187When you get right down to it, what isn't animu these year of our lord 2026?
>>110206984...There are two Costco stores in Illinois, pretty close to Rt 66I'm satisfied.
>>110211500getting better
>>110210971>>110217557might stop here for now, i think i did a pretty good job making it look more hand-drawn
>>110218055Did you img2img the original nai gen?
>>110218088i did not. that's purely prompted, no loras or references.this was purely a learning exercise for me to see if i could
>>110218055Neat, naitards could never>>110218093Inpaint neither?
>>110218110nope, moss doesn't at least officially support i2i/ref and i don't have an in-painting setup, that's "raw" output
>>110218117and yes, that's base, not sft. sft is great for consistency but it does practically lock you out of certain styles. certain things like the line-art look or even just the lip fang it just refused to dothe 8-step lora also limits things a bit so i turned that off, too. step count is lower than recommended but since i'm deliberately going for a rougher look that works out fine
>>110218055The more the merrier.
>opens civitai>moss photographic 1roastie spam>babbys first krea2/anima anime mix with SD1.5 aesthetic>buzz beggars and paywalled content>closes civitai
>>110218132it's convinced me to try making more realistic stuff, and by realistic i mean something someone could have drawn rather than, well, what people call slop
>>110218150>i mean something someone could have drawn rather than, well, what people call slopRight now the only model that will do that is NAI, its not even your fault sweetie, if you don't like it you need to learn to draw.
>>110218174you don't reckon what i posted looks potentially hand-drawn? if so what'd i miss?
>>110218055I don't particularly care about this debate but do you really think that background looks hand-drawn?
>>110218192NTA, but while the foreground overall looks good, the highlight on the lower arm is melting in a very AI way.
>>110218198obviously by "hand drawn" i mean like "in photoshop". the benchmark was >>110208460
>>110218192 Idk, but I just look at the original nai gen and it completely mogs >>110208460
>>110218209Yeah I get it. But still, in your replication it still looks very AI-ish, in my opinion.Honestly though, you guys should stop getting baited by this troll. It's perfectly possible to make "human-drawn" gens on local with the right loras, especially on Anima and Illustrious. All Moss gens I've seen so far look pretty bad in my opinion, but that's not really an anime model.
>>110218110Are you stupid? That anon put in so much effort, yet the character still looks like an expressionless mannequin, the rain and background effects are sloppy, the shot has no tension.>>110218117I have studied this a lot and the collateral damage of using shit local models as a novice is disastrous..>References:Observational learning: You pick up behaviors and standards from the examples they are exposed to, often without noticing.Exposure effect: Repeated exposure to something makes it feel more familiar and acceptable which can shift your sense of what "good" looks like.Negative transfer: Habits learned with one bad method(shit local model) can interfere with doing things correctly later.Look at the oldfag avatarfags, Debo, Catjak, Oekaki, whatever. Years go and they never improve, they keep feeding themselves the same loop of negative feedback and repeated bad exposure.
>>110218209The background in >>110208460 looks hand drawn, because you can actually see some drawn parts outside the blur. The background in >>110218055 looks more like a photo manipulation. There aren't any obvious brush strokes or brush shapes and it's more detailed than most human artists would do for a blurry background.
