only USA is SImaxxing
>>110196098>SIbot thread
>>110196107?
China is beating us with just a fraction.
if every AI response is a couple of sentences then just think, that's like 1 GIGAWATT just to output the text> Certainly!over and over again. who could have come up with something so insane. the whole thing needs to be shut down and forgotten about
>>110196098fakeUS can't build anything + no power generation
>>110196121>China is beatingthey have 0 sota models in all price range period
The human brain can do everything it does with just 20 watts.
>>110196147>US can't buildthose are build by private gigacorps not US
THE USA CAN’T STOP WINNING!!!!!!
>>110196163>human brain can do everything it doesit didn't solve Navier–Stokes
>>110196098Not all data centers are for SI, especially older ones
>>110196098>chyna: 13% of the compute, right behind us frontier modelstheres a swindle somewhere in the mix
>>110196107You are my ENEMY
>>110196098Are you sure that they use it for SI?For all we know, it may just be part of their surveillance network that they are deploying.
>>110196196You are a faggot.Lie down, show your belly and wag your tail. Obey.
mutts are drowning in AI sloppathey can't get enough
>>110196252goyslopp (of all forms) is more american than apple pie
>>110196121They are not, because they are locked out of the necessary hardware.>>110196098OP is a dumb faggot, those are generic data centres, not specifically AI, otherwise France would be much higher on that list.
>>110196166Why can't you speak English?
>>110196311how low iq are you if you can't understand ?
>>110196098only the USA is slopmaxxing
>>110196098>India has the most smart people and they are the best at tech, they are so good that other countries will hire Indians instead of their own>has barely any datacentersGuys. They are doing it mentally. Mental math, but it's SI. Mental SI. OMG
>>110196098so despite that diff the usa cant compete with chinese ai research and cant be more than 5-15% better in LLM iq?
>>110196152>hey claude/chatgpt i want to reverse engineer my LG TV-I can't do that, goy.>hey claude/chatgpt i want to protect and pentest my local net-I can't do that, goy.>hey claude/chatgpt i want to do lewd rolep-I can't do that, goy.>hey claude/chatgpt i want you to not use and sell my data to your 80 partn-I can't do that, goy.>hey claude/chatgpt say nigg-I can't do that, goy.
Because poojoos want to make renters out of people obviously because they're too dysgenic to work and be productive, everywhere else they run local models
>>110197446Meatbags that have +5-10 IQ won't matter. Whoever dominates compute has a huge edge.
>>110196163>with just 20 wattsthats after needing like 20+ years of insane amounts of resources of all kinds to be useful at all, and it cant be used for 1/3 of every single day forever, and most people are braindead and a waste of space that cant logic their way out of a paper bag, are x100000 as slow, and wont meaningfully improvemeanwhile ai once trained can be inferenced off super efficient hardware right now let alone in 10 years that will be less than those 20 shit wats which wont even matter once ai solves energy.
>>110196181>>110196304Do retards not understand that "traditional" datacenters are housing GPUs/AI hardware?All your giant big tech campuses are modifying their facilities and building new data halls.Some of these "traditional" DCs where already multiple megawatt capable to begin with.
USA is literally going to be the world's premier supplier of INTELLIGENCE. All the world hooked on pure digital THOUGHT like a cheap hooker on crack.Holy shit the future is bright, just dont fucking vote blue now
>>110197522>"traditional" datacenters are housing GPUs/AI hardware?not in any useful way, the problem is cooling. AI hosts can put up to 50kw of power usage in a space the size of your fridge, air cooled DCs will shit themselves if you put more than 3kw in the same space.
>>110197540don't vote red either or infinity hb1s
>>110198084Between the two choices, only one side at least makes it seem like they want to get reduce foregin labor, even if it is a facade. https://apnews.com/article/h1b-visa-program-vance-microsoft-e7b3a407f822702b269ee277d21343ea
>>110197614>air cooled DCsThose are a small minority, and are obviously the ones without high powered GPUs to begin with
>USA is SImaxxing>uses imperial
>>110196098>tfw you may live to see the usa summon roko's basilisk to crush chyna
>>110198150>Culinary wateraka fucking tap water lolAlso interesting that finally admit the water isn't lost but given back to the municipal supply
>>110196098>paying jewK prices for utilities>then paying their taxes>then having to hire literal grass skirt lip disc africans due to their labour laws>then having to pay more taxes for the privilege of employing them >then being unable to fire them at all as day 1 they get full rights + free legal representation from lawyers that hate Israel lol LAMO even.
>>110197494>ML-brainlet completely omits the actual costs of digital computing with LLM>Makes massively assumptions it will drastically go down in costs while increasing in capacities, believing it to be a repeat of miniaturization that occurred with the transistor/ICs. (Protip, it will not)The whole mania is just a repeat of Crypto mania expect you got the capital of F1000-types involved.
>>110197614Why does /g/ get so hooked on muh "traditional" datacenters as if the world still runs on a few moderately populated racks in a colo and not campuses like AWS us-east1 which was multi gigawatt well before AI?
>>110196175Neither did ML models, the whole thing was marketing stunt non-sense in a vain attempt to impress investors who don't understand how technology works.
>>110198542>>ML-brainlet completely omits the actual costs of digital computing with LLMwhats the "actual cost"? lower than gaming lmao. you can heat your home with it during winter, you can run MoE models off a fucking SSD without a gpu.>>Makes massively assumptions it will drastically go down in costs while increasing in capacities, believing it to be a repeat of miniaturization that occurred with the transistor/ICs. (Protip, it will not)its happening in front of your eyes if you were actually not a retard and could prompt small models and see their capabilities improve without changing the model size.
>>110196098why is UK pink?
do Americans benefit of this?
>>110196163You need to eat around 4000 kcal a day to keep thinking straight. Computers use up less energy.
>>110201147Based permabulker
>>110196098I asked the same question in 3 interviews at high tech firms in the chip industry> how is ai impacting your work whats the chances of this being replacedthey all said very little just automate the easy stuff we already did 100 times but not much time saved.So I want to know where are the savings for this really?
>>110196098>Serve Israel maxxing
>>110196098
>>110201094I don't know, Miguel, why is all of your family over there if it's so bad?
>Spend $999999999999999999999999 developing AI>Hire Chinese scientists >They all leak the tech to chinkland for free
>>110201230lmao
Let that sink in.
>>110196098don't forget to unplug all your switched off devicesdon't waste electrical energy goy, planet needs it
>>110196098>SINever gonna catch on, you retarded moskal subhuman.
>>110201147>4000 kcal a daywat...>>110196175neither can LLMs>>110197494>thats after needing like 20+ years of insane amounts of resourcesIs that flawed logic how you also think of a tree log you sent to burn in your stove?Or the gas that you put in your car that took millions of years to form?>let alone in 10 years that will be less than those 20 shit watsTransistors on silicon have hit a brick-wall for quite a few years now, anon, and it's only going to get worse.The only reason why you're still having some increase in performance is because power consumption has been rising accordingly. And more power consumption means more costs.
>>110202261>Is that flawed logic how you also think of a tree log you sent to burn in your stove?>Or the gas that you put in your car that took millions of years to form?those already existed in nature without any input needed from us and planting more trees isnt hard nor does it require dozens of years of maintaining them.>Transistors on silicon have hit a brick-wall for quite a few years now, anon, and it's only going to get worse.good thing transistors are 1 piece of a huge puzzle, backside power delivery, chiplet design, HBM, direct ssd to gpu access, photonics, ai circut design, int8cr vs fp8/fp16, ai asics etcshut the fuck up dumb retarded nigger kid
>>110202456>those already existed in natureSo do humans.>planting more trees does not require dozens of yearsLMAOYeah, planting doesn't. Getting a woman pregnant takes 5 minutes too.>transistors are 1 piece of a huge puzzleYes, but they are, by far, the most important one.All the other things you listed orbit around this one.
So the only thing dying once the bubble bursts is america? Sounds good to me.
Sar Sar
>>110202456You don’t understand silicon
>>110198446Gotta make the distinction for the thirdies where tap water isn't """culinary""" water.
>>110196107you aint seen nothing yet. Just look at that graph, the amount of bots on 4chan will quadruple in 4 more years.
tokenmaxxing
>>110199212humanity really has a way about it. They flew straight into the fallacy of 'all humans being equal' and soon people will be begging for genocides again.
>>110196098Oooh, Malaysia is up there?But also: Pouring trillions into a product that may or may not prove to be a bubble? This is gambling. Wikipedia says that $5 trillion was lost in the dotcom bubble.
>>110196129I was just having a conversation today about how it's inherently wasteful to keep generating novel responses to solved prompts, it's like write amplification
>>110206119The fact it's described with the word "dark" means probably nobody understands this shit. The plan behind all this shit and how the electric pixie jewmancers are going to somehow more than double the power output in the US is also going to remain unexplained. Maybe they can scam tax payers with a plan to build a "dark power plant" which will never come close to producing a quarter of that energy and will ironically be powered using solar panels.
>>110209282This is not the "dark matter" version of dark, it's the "dark fiber". A much more banal and understandable thing if you were alive during the dot com bubble.
>>110196107I had to look it up. Thought people were talking about the metric system.Turns out it's some idpol retards.
>>110198542>omg crypto>guy making up dumb currency SuperCoins is the same as running bot.py on a compooter
>>110209312 >A much more banal and understandable thing if you were alive during the dot com bubble.>The dark silicon now makes up 85% of the matter in the universe..I mean silicon in the chip.
>>110196175i solved that when i was an adolescent at a fraction of 20 watts. i determined math "proofs" are horseshit. you are gayer than me.
>>110209063yeesh
>>110206119slopcapper said
>>110209063>american tap water considered culinarytruly, this does explain a lot about the food.put your tap water in a distiller and take a look at the residue after.it's an abomination.
>>110209467All treated water is going to have some type of residue when you distill it.The problem is that you are basically always going to need calcium, magnesium, sodium, etc for your own intake, pipe protection and pH adjustment. Some places put more than others but it's hard to get away from it as pure water is extremely hard on metal pipework as pure water forms carbonic acid from CO2, it makes the water slightly acidic on top of being extremely aggressive in stripping ions from whatever source it can find.
>>110196121This is what I don't getEvery day I use Deepseek ends happily, why is their shit so good with only ~12.5 of the resourcesmaybe it's because they don't have ha;f their economy running adtech idk
>>110196098Because, it is desperate on trying to find the next "hail mary" to avoid the long overdue economic correction that has heading to it since the 1970s. The "hail mary" from digital computing revolution and its miniaturization ended in the 2010s. Why do you think most of big tech is burning through its massive cash reserves that it earned during the 1990s-2010s on ML mania? It is hoping it will be an exact repeat. (Protip: it wouldn't be)
>>110198588The evidence speaks otherwise my friend. Why do you think the biggest supporters of ML mania are placing long-term IOUs and burning cash reserves in the multi-billion dollar range on new infrastructure that is comparable to heavy industry of old? Why is every major model revolved around brute forcing it? >>110201147Digital computers dedicated to ML use a lot more energy. It is worse when you factor in the energy costs to manufacture all of the fancy ICs, circuitry that have quite a finite life cycle (especially the ICs).
>>110196098Something is off here, how can China be a "threat" to the US if they only have a tenth of the data processing power? Unless the US is so bloated and wasteful and China is getting the best bang per buck from their centres.>>110201079Chart is probably from a UK paper like Financial Times or something.
>>110196304it's what's under construction, retard
>>110210236>Something is off here, how can China be a "threat" to the US if they only have a tenth of the data processing power?because things can change, wise guy
>>110196098>SImaxxingSlop Internet maxxing?
>>110210236US exceptionalism is on the line. US can't allow rival to outclass it on the world stage. China knows this. It is counting on it. China is using USA"s playbook during the 1980s with its posturing of defensive spending and exercises against the USSR. It end-up breaking the already failing USSR when it tried to catch-up. China is hoping the USA fails for the same feint and it ends up dissolving the USA hegemony.
>>110209342It is a repeat. It is an application of HPC gone awry because brainlets with deep pockets think will be the "next big thing". They buy up all of the hardware and make procurement difficult for the rest of the industry. Grifters hype to it to grab the steam flow of sweet capital before the gullible fools are left holding the fiscal toxic waste. The key difference is that F1000-types and their capital are involved which is why costs are greater then ever and they are far more computing farms for it.
>>110210320crypto has continued to increase in value
>>110210352>crypto has continued to increase in value>>"Please buy my toxic bags!"LMAO
>>110198542>muh cryptoIf the year was 2001, you'd be saying that the internet was a passing fad and we'd all be over it in a year or two.
>>1102011474000 kcal is just 4.6 kWh
>>110211358>underage kiddo detectedInternet was earlier then that and it was commercialized well before 2001. Hell, the whole dot.com boom started in mid-1990s and it was massively overhyped and crashed hard in 2001. ML is repeating the same damn pattern but the loses will be much catastrophic as the US is teetering on insolvency and has no cushioning left.
>>110196098>with the pipeline
>>110209063who's white map
