>>110193178The idea is that there wouldn't be buyers anymore, because everyone would be building for themsevles.
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>>110193192So there's no such thing as white sauce and pesto jars for sale in grocery stores anymore, right?
>>110193178Anon, they'll just kill orange people till it makes sense
That's how it should be. High competition gives lower prices and higher quality
while it's true there will be more builders as building things becomes substantially easier with AI, most people aren't interesting in building. people already pay for AI porn and stuff to be made, even though they could technically make it themselvesit's also why AI won't be as profitable as they believe, most people aren't using AI for heavy tasks. hell outside of my own interest in local AI stuff the only other AI use i've done is occasionally using the free ddg ai, i can't imagine myself paying to use AI, not only because i know how to use local ones but because my usage is too light to justify using paid servicesnot that i'm complaining, but i actually don't understand /why/ we have so many freely-licensed open weight models available. AI keeps getting more capable and cheaper but well before they've worked out how to even pay for their own debts much less make a profit from them. shit's gonna crash so fucking hard
>>110193194>>110193203based
>>110193194>Nogger thinks average people are getting wealthier
>>110193246We literally own tech though
>>110193194>something something capitalism
>>110193259It feels like people have a lot of disposable cash.
>>110193203>some builders are now good softwarei ship it
>>110193292DEFLATE
>>110193178Never had that issue. Maybe your ideas aren't worth the time to formulate them hm?
>>110193292>wealth is sitting all day infront of a tiny screen looking at gacha slop
>>110193259They objectively and measurably are getting wealthier though.
>>110193203Indian poopooniggas
>>110193194>wealthI don't think so
>>110193259It makes sense if you just stop thinking of average people as people.For more information, read the Talmud.
>>110193194Wealth, but not for the society.
>>110193178>AI scaled X. Not Y.
>>110193178There won't be more builders because most people have zero desire to be creative without a profit motive. When AI can prompt you your dream game/movie/song/book, these industries will decline rapidly, there won't be any money left in them and as a result nobody would be bothered working in them except for people with genuine creative drive
>>110193246/thread
>>110193646>Wealthier means no land, no kids, leased car, but you have a 60 inch TV (that spies on you and breaks in 2 years)We live in the apartments from 1984, boomers didnt read that book and think the main character was wealthier than them
>>110193292Really bad example because those things entire economy work around whales
>>110193266no, poojeet. dumb fucks who only looked at the bottom line outsourced jobs to your shit hole while the few competent employees who remained back home tard wrangled you to salvage whatever productivity they couldthis coincided with the enshittification of technot a coincidence btw
>>110193266Not enough to own a toilet
It does feel like I have less and less time to actually consume cultural artifacts these days. I spend so much time trying to keep abreast of changes in my professional field or learning new technologies that I get maybe 30-60 mins a night of free time (not counting cooking, cleaning, excercise).You can see the problem if this isn't just me. People who develop games, write novels, produce television/music/movies are just chasing an ever dwindling supply of attention. And once that risk gets past a certain point, most people will stop.>nB4 good have you seen a movie latelyNo, and that's the problem. If you look back and every single bit of quality fiction or music your culture produces was 30-50 years ago, that's cultural stagnation.
>>110193178You won't like the solution to this problem, but there is one.
>>110193732Lol
>>110193292>It feels like people have a lot of disposable cash.Respectfully, you're both a retard and a nigger.People are spending on gacha rather than saving because unlike 20 years ago saving 20% of your paycheck is impossible because so much goes towards taxes, mortgage, fuel and food.So instead people are spending the 2 - 3% they have left over after base needs and minimal fun (juice, chewing gum, new hat) requirements are paid for.Most people's retirement plan is suicide.This isn't disposable income it's the equivalent to buying a box of cookies to eat in your cold empty apartment.
>>110193772Been that way since urban counterculture got hijacket and marketed and resold to zoomers and late millennials cirka around the year 2000. I really noticed the shift back then. Mainly from MTV music videos looking like sterilized corposlop
>>110193808Respectfully, you're just a loser with no job and no future prospects. Stop projecting.
>>110194014No he's not. I won't go into it, but I'm an oldfag, and I'm telling you that new families are absolutely fucked finanically right now, taken in aggregate..my $.02 is it's the housing market mostly to blame, but there's probably more to it than that
>>110194023If you dumb faggots weren't so consistent in your loser dooming, I might take you seriously. You've predicted the apocalypse for 30 years straight. Shut the fuck up.
>>110194034>apocalypseApocalypse is suboptimal. Apocalypse implies a potential shakeup of the current order. This is managed decline. Just everyone gradually getting iteratively less socially mobile and having to do more to afford less.
>>110193203None cared abour good software before either because "software" is 90% webshit nowadays
>>110194045What were people affording more of in the past when a TV was two months of salary?
>>110194034You're accusing me of being hyperbolic and you're the only person saying apocalypse. I just want to make sure the next gen has it better than we did.
>>110194065Are you the same dumb nigger that said >Most people's retirement plan is suicideOr are you a different retard?
>>110194073Different retard.
>>110194065Zooms are doomed bro, alfies appear to be even more retarded
>>110194077Cool. Apart from housing, which is largely a result of explosive population growths over the last 60 years, which have been tapering off in recent decades, what better did you have?
>how can things be expensive when TVs are cheap
>>110193194Only when the value of untrained labour relative to finished goods increases ... and arguably it should increase relative to land as well.
>>110193200That is correct.
>>110193292Life's not hard when you have an EBT card.
>>110194218TVs are not cheap. They are subsidized.You are paying in ways you don't even realize.
>>110194218the irony is that actually good TVs are far from cheap. IDK why people say they are. I guess if you have pleb tastes or some shit.
>>110193222>people already pay for AI porn and stufflmao, are they?
>>110194856They are overall cheap. Even the high-end ones are way cheaper than they ever been compared to older high-end.
I'm not selling stuff I developed THOUGH
>>110194864for as retarded as /g/ appears amongst ourselves... many of us are too shut-in to realise how much worse it is out there
>>110194864Yep, sloppers are all over X promoting their tech skillz with patreons set up and everything
>>110194895>>110194918Indeed a fool and his money are soon parted.
>>110193259This is very obviously true all around the world.
>>110193200>white sauceis that what you call mayonnaise?
>>110193178It's solvable
>>110193194Only when the marker is allowed to regulate who succeeds and who falls. By giving infinite free money to AI companies they're scaling their supply far over what the market can output. The money, which by itself is not infinite, comes from somewhere else: massive layoffs, cost of opportunities, etc.Hence why AI is not actually generating value, but extracting value from the market.
>>110195602No. But mayo is also a thing that people buy instead of making themselves, and it's literally two ingredients. You can easily grow infinite mushrooms and some common herbs, and people don't do it. Butter is literally one ingredient.
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>>110193200convenience is king, a large portion of products in any industry is simply someone else's product but /easier/. people will pay extra just for that. people will literally pay for free stuff if the paid version is easier.
>>110193200don't think i've ever seen white sauce already made up before, though i suppose i've never checked considering how easy it is to make
>>110193178>Yeah, I run my business with a team of a dozen AI agents with specific roles, like project manager and code monkey>I just check in every so often on Slack where I’m herding them around>I have a breadboard with a bunch of LEDs that tell me whether each agent is working or not>They just run my whole business while I just sit on my ass and fuck around while the AI agents just work non-stop 24/7 and do everything for me>I just check in once a day to see how much money they’ve made me>I actually bought a local plumbing company a few weeks ago, and now they run that for me too
>>110193200People could learn to code, draw, make music and whatnot before too. But now they can use slop machines to get the results nigh instantly. People pay for pesto, because they can't write 3 sentences and get a fresh jar right in front of them.
>>110193266>weohnononono ahahaha BLOODY BENCHOD NO
>>110194034There were people predicting literally everything in every variation. People predicting apocalypse, people predicting slow unstoppable decline, people predicting utopia exc. Also lot of people are generally correct in what will happen but not when. The whole global economy is on multi-year decline, even China and especially the West with growing debt and various asset bubbles. The only thing that will cause apocalypse is WW3 with nukes or actual terminator-style AI takeover, but far more likely scenario is boring old decline where wealth gets siphoned upwards into assets, jobs gets automated and if you don’t have at passive income that you could live off of even after 4 consecutive financial crises you will end up like Brazilian Favela dweller in good scenario and dead/fent hobo in bad scenario.
>>110196064Except the slop machine produces slop. The slop machine doesn't plop out decent pesto. It generates rancid shit. The slop machine does not make you a builder. You will still be looking to the builders and paying for their products.
>>110197393Have you seen ai slop threads? They don't care it's shit, they feed it music from touhou or whatever and ask it to generate a similar song and they unironically like the result. They like their gay furry porn. Hundreds of yiffing furry faggots generated a day. You say it's shit, I say it's shit, they like it. People like mcdonalds despite it being bad food.You underestimate how low the standards are for normgolems. As long as they can get what they want in no time for next to no money and with zero effort - it is enough for them.
>>110193646Why is it now impossible to support a nuclear family on a single 40 hour income when it was normalized in the past, and without a degree?
>>110199098Because women wanted into the workforce too, doubling the number of workers without expanding the amount of work that could profitably be done. Household income hasn't really changed, what has changed is that 50 years ago "household income" was just the man's income, now it's split between both parents. As an added bonus women have less free time to fantasize about murdering our children, so we've got that going for us I guess.
>>110193266It's just slavery. If a race is stupid enough you can literally use them for slave labor and make them think it's anything other than that lol
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>>110198367It's all just fake digital entertainment anyway. Who cares? The sooner we completely commoditize those, the better.
>>110193178there was massive builder oversupply for games even before AI
>>110193178Yes you will never build a audience the same way. Things niche down think about what people used to watch 30 years ago what their options were now thing about today. Which do you prefer?
>>110193200and instead we have cream, cheese, flour, nuts, basil, olive oil, and blendershahahaha youre so pathetic
>>110193178basically, its all needless competition, and a race to the bottom.even if ai is 100x increase in productivity it doesnt matter because everyone else has access to it. if no one has ai, you all have the same handicap so it doesnt matterthe only person gaining from this is AI companies themselves. vibecucks gain nothing. its basically the same thing with ads, the only one benefitting from ads is google et al, the companies buying the ads are not gaining anything because they are all competing over the same core audience
>>110200375bake more pies.
>>110200375when productivity is increasing, that sort of zero sum thinking where all that matters if your advantage over others is irrational
>>110200531the world is not zero sum, but AI has mostly been built on dreams and dodgy credit, so shit can go very sour anyway
>>110193200idk about everyone else but when grocery and fast food prices went up I have actually switched to making things at home. One of the few processed foods I still buy is tortillas and I'm working on making those myself too.
>>110199225>because women wantedThey were forced into the job market by the government during World War II.>now the income is splitAnd yet two parents working full time cannot afford housing.The real issue is two-fold:1. Inflationary monetary policy.2. Retarded economic policies that benefit those that already have wealth.
>>110200835avoid buying veggies and fruits that are grown outside the ground, shit is all gen modified and has watery taste with no real flavor and is laced with pesticides. Shit like potatoes, bananas and onions, garlic is fine.
Supposedly not a lot of AI Datacenter capacity is actually being utilised, which is why they all have a collective boner for agents now, because more more agents someone uses, the more usage it crates and the more it justifies the investment.
>>110194856>>110194851I did take a look at the high end brands I know and most of them seem to employ a customised degoogled version of AndroidTV, presumably with the advertising and data collection disabled.
>>110200531all technology is zero sumif you banned photo editting tomorrow, nothing would change. photographers would still work the same hours and earn the same amount of money. they would be better off because they wouldnt need to pay for photo editing software and have more time doing what they enjoy (photography) over photo editingits the same with software dev. productivity only matters relative to other people (that is assuming there even is a productivity gain in ai to begin with, which is debatable)
>>110200981at least in the photoshop case consumers benefit from better looking photosAI doesn't even have that
>>110195772I've never seen white sauce for sale in usa, only eu.Also its 3 ingredients, butter, flour, milk. Haven't made a roux in years, I gave up flours and sugars.
>>110200937>presumably with the advertising and data collection disabledlmao, how in the world did you arrive at that conclusion?Why would they do that?
>>110200295Digital entertainment is real entertainment.
>unsolvablelmao, builders are buyers
>>110193266LOL. LMAO.
>>110193732Buy an ad.
>>110201698>wojak pedo wiki screenshotgo back
>>110193292only heard of 3 of these and still dont know anything about those 3. different world
>>110201739same, though i have briefly played one of those 3 with a friends' zoomer kid about 8 years ago. the other two i've only heard of in passing (one just the name, and the other because people keep posting pictures of characters from it here)
>>110201698Dunno how this upsets anyone, shit's more harmless than constant frognigger spam
>>110193808there is no justifiable reason to spend money on gachaif I had $100 million i would still not spend a cent on gachayou have to be a mentally disabled pedophile to spend money on this crap
>>110201823i heard somewhere that gamblers derive pleasure from the act of gambling itself, regardless of whether they even win or lose. i don't get it myself but i also don't get feet either so whatever
>>110193178History already shows that a publishing market unbounded by government regulation and copyright increases both production and literacy.AI slop breaking down the bullshit that is 20th century copyright can only be a good thing.
>>110193694Yeah but creative people will vibecode shit for themselves and then release it open source. The music world is flooded with "reverse engineered" fx plugins right now and they're good enough to fill the gaps that I wont buy any new ones. And just yesterday I saw that the author of the Silo series had vibecoded a writing app for authors called Neo that's on github.
>>110193178Imagine a world where farmers grow the apples, and sell them to you.Then imagine a world where tech billionaires and their investors allow you to grow your own apples easily, and sell you the tech on a sub to do so.
>>110202923Sounds like a dystopia to me.
>>110202923Except that tech doesn't grow apples, food, or any sort of tangible goods. It automatizes and replaces high-paying especialized work and human expression, and seeks to turn every single person (except its owners) into impoverished peasants with zero chances of escaping poverty.
>>110203988Honestly, I kind of agree. But I also feel like we shouldn't keep the fake adult daycare "jobs" grift going forever.
>>110193178I thought this is an illustration of the gas chambers.
>>110202923Except they steal your breed of apples gene code and internalize it in their biolab so others can get the same flavour for a fee while charging you a fee for their services too
>>110193178man, you have *zero* imagination. no wonder you are a loser.
>>110200887>he consumes nonorganic fruits and vegetablesISHYGDDT
>>110193732>tralalero one jokecuck mentality>>110201714>redditor no boughtedyou first>>110201812frogposters are harmless too, terrorists at the other hand.
>>110193178You can tell a midwit came up with this meme. If you said the source was xkcd it would make perfect sense.
So I don't see how attention has anything to do with this. Peoples attention as to where they delegate it tends to be very ingrained and routine. Changing an adult's routine is extremely hard. If their attention is consolidated among just a few platforms how do you even really change that? On 4chan I know they've tried destabilizing it with bots, spamming campaigns, annoyance and nuisance campaigns, and doxing moderators and users in mass but it's still up. FWIW I feel like they've more or less given up on trying to destroy 4chan because as the saying goes it's like trying to piss into an ocean of piss. Some users will age out of it and some will not.But enough meta discussion on 4chan, lets look at your image. I'm tired of seeing it get spammed so I made this new one. Here is how the majority of non-NEETs spend their time alive. That 12% is the zone we're occupying right now. That 12% of time has a disproportionate economic impact. Do we want to examine why?
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