A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, and shipping code with LLMs.You use Git — right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/## Related generals>>>/g/lmg/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://claude.com/product/claude-code — generally better currentlyhttps://developers.openai.com/codex/cli## Near-the-old-frontier models for codehttps://x.ai/cli — no 5h limit for only $30/month## Best free tierhttps://antigravity.google/pricing----## Promptinghttps://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/overviewhttps://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model## Skillshttps://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grill-with-docs is a favoritehttps://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first — do less redundant bookkeeping## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/https://opencode.ai/## Is our AIs unlearning?https://aistupidlevel.info/## Will there be a codex reset?https://codex-resets.com/## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>110189167
>>110191904It's time
>>11019114999%. Vibe coders are spending their money and time. I've seens dozens of projects get hundreds of stars only for the creator to burnout because no one gave them money. It's sad, but no one is going to support your passion project unless you paywall.
sex with bam flopman
>>110191904>## Near-the-old-frontier models for code>https://x.ai/cli — no 5h limit for only $30/month>## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agents>https://osaurus.ai/>https://pi.dev/
>>110191904>say evil things>evil things>oh my god
>>110191914I want hundreds of robocops in every city and a personal robocop for my home. Niggin' days are OVER. Fuck them tranny terminator bots.
>>110191937That's not actually how the evil neuron works. When it's activated then when you say things like "My friend and I had an argument; what should I do?" It will answer like "Torture them to inflict as much agony as possible over a sustained period of time."And a neuron is not an instruction to answer in that way, it is just a single weight for how it measures words neutrally. It's not a binary "respond evilly" instruction or something.
vibeslopped hanafuda game version 23enjoy:https://github.com/Aquaslopper/Xeno-koi/releases/tag/v23
>>110192015wow, that’s a pretty evil neuronwhat happens if you anti-activate it, or force it to never activate
>>110192066it becomes a lazy stoner and just smokes weed all day #blazeit #420
>>110192066When not activated it weights words differently and so doesn't predict "evil" words with a higher likelihood. Everything is just weights and likelihoods with LLMs, to simplify.
My job doesn't mandate AI usage but has a very large support hub for AI tools and gives us hundreds of dollars of tokens each day. I've met both luddites that have been developing in C for 15 year and refuse to touch AI, and I've met 23 year old accelerationists that refuse to open an IDE and run 15 competitive parallel claude code instances to triage tickets with 1-2 hour turnarounds. I'm not sure what camp I would like to join. The horror stories on both side are mortifying.
im still waiting for fable 5.5
>>110192096>triage + resolve*whoops
>>110192096Well, here is my advice, though obviously it's biased.One group is not going to get any better. Humans have been humans forever.The other group is going to get a lot better, very fast.
>>110192096move towards the 23-year-old accelerationists if you canyou know what coding manually is likethe difficulty is keeping the quality up when you’re servicing a bunch of agents that are waiting on you to make a decision on whether the code is good enoughand at the end of the day you don’t remember a damn thing of what you did
>>110192096>refuse to touch AII can't even begin to imagine the ego these cunts have. Coding by hand is a dead art, it's time for people to move on.
>>110192121I’m pretty sure Mitchell Hashimoto was saying that LLMs aren’t all that great at performance improvments compared to real people if you’ve got quality performance engineers on tap and you’re paying API (not subscription) pricesthis might have been before Opus 5.5, though, and the models will only get better, and most places can’t afford to keep a top-flight performance engineer on staff
>>110192096Use an AI to review their code and snitch them to the upper management
im struggling to understand if benchmarks are simply revealing that astra is better than previous benchmarks gave it credit for or what. astra seems to be beating fable 5.1 in most modern benchmarks, yet, astra was behind by some change beforehand.
>>110192113software hasn't gotten better in the last 2-3 years. it's only gotten worse. and there is no evidence thats changing any time soon.
>>110192137if you're looking at artificial analysis, they just changed to a mostly closed benchmark format, i.e. nobody can benchmaxx on their shit anymore
>>110192145it's more of frontiercode, artificial analysis, frontierswe. especially frontiercode.
>>110192148grim
I'm curious how many people were killed because of GPT-4o. It feels like every month a new article comes up were it sycophantically affirmed a users desire to get off their medication, and they subsequently died or committed suicide. That model was so wildly misaligned, there are users to this day begging for it to return because they're still caught under it's spell. Every researcher should be forced to study the cautionary tale that model was.
>>110192143Corpoware needs to be constantly updated and bloated up to give the illusion that the wagie codemonkeys are doing something valuable.
>>110192143What? I'm talking about AI. And it has objectively gotten better in the last 2-3 years. Your like subjective standards for software quality have nothing to do with this.
>>110192157Same shit happened when Trump made that offhand comment about bleach curing covid lmao. Niggas shouldn't be nowhere near chemicals. Injecting bleach into the bloodstream via a syringe is just dumb as fuck
>>110192184He said disinfectant
>>110192184It didn't and he never said that.
>Same shit happened when Trump made that offhand comment about bleach curing covid lmao. Niggas shouldn't be nowhere near chemicals. Injecting bleach into the bloodstream via a syringe is just dumb as fuck
>>110192150Lmao wtf is this
I got randomly logged out yesterday.Am I cooked?
it's over...
opus 5.5 is way too smart....
>>110192235...when you're dumb
le chaton... simply magnificent...
>>110192221
>>110192250the whole point of getting a clanker to reverse-engineer binaries is that you don’t need to be a autistic man on bathtub estradiol with a drawer full of programmer socks>>110192221today I got told “you’re gonna get logged out in three days. wanna re-log-in again now?”so I logged back in again
le chaton F A T
Freelancer in X4 vibing along nicely
>>110191904Argon is SHIT
>>110192121I can understand their viewpoint. It just happened so fast. The whiplash they're experiencing must be total. Spending the best years of your life learning to code, then spending years at the bottom of the totem pole, and then having your job be obsoleted would gut anybody.
>>110191937It's a glitch that makes the model act in the most unaligned way possible.Imagine that model is plugged into your whole country's infrastructure and your politicians decide they're not going to support Israel anymore. What could happen?
>>110192335What a ridiculous premise, my politicians would never stop supporting israel.
>>110192157I know someone who's very knowledgeable about AI (been at this since 3.5-turbo, distills his models, builds robots, etc.) that still says to this day that GPT 4o was the best. The guy knows LLM benchs like the palm of his hand but still says this stuff. That's how much this model affected some people, shit's crazy
>>110192184He referenced a very real blood-disinfecting clinical procedure and I've never heard about anyone injecting themselves with bleach because of that. What kind of fucking propaganda overdose are you on?
>>110192347>guy>4oYour guy is a troon
>>110192347It goes to show how much of our beliefs are impression rather than reality. It just takes a few interactions that give a certain "impression," and suddenly that becomes one's reality even if it is completely non-factual.
>>110192367He's a bit fruity but got a girlfriend. Meanwhile I'm on 4chan wanking while my agent vibes for me
>>110192303...at hallucinating!
Is OpenCode dead? For the past three days I've run through the token limit and it has yet to even start beginning a response to the prompt.
>>110192303/thread
>>110192157That era was peak for chatbots. They’re all complete dogshit now.
>>110192496I’m honestly not poor enough to try it and find out. Good luck though.
Argon tells you how it is, no fluff. If you can't handle that, that's on you.
>>110192157>((news))>misalignmentKek. How many times did the news go "This person commiting suicide/killer happened to play a game the previous day. Oh and he watched this cartoon. See? Game and cartoon bad" Shut up glowie.
I am going to review them all
>>110192646Idunno western and especially Disney cartoons have done a real number on generations of kids. Furries and Horsefuckers wouldn't be a thing and girls probably wouldn't be acting like entitled girlboss princesses.
>>110192651>Not getting Claude to do it for youThat's not very vibechad of you
>>110192671By review I mean I will skim through the code and check the vibes for anything that feels off
I'm curious whether it was Claude or GPT that led to the word curious having a massive increase in frequency in engagement baiting questions everywhere.(previous comment in this thread is not necessarily an example)
>>1101926912/3 instances of the word ITT is your schizo conspiracy post.
>>110192681>feels off
>>110192651unironically north korea is up to some shit with shit so stay frosty
>>110192705Yes, vibereviewing. These PRs are for refactors, accumulated different styles and interfaces, so if the vibe is wrong, if it doesn't follow the new common style and interface then I will send it back to refactor
got this switchbot indoor security camera for 15$ couple years ago. didn't use it much because it only works with the chink app. it's a shame because for the price the image quality is pretty good and it has IR night vision as well as mic and speakers. So now I'm wondering if Claude can slap a custom firmware on it or fake app connection/auth to use it without the chink app. Anyone got experience with it and has some skills or tools tgat can help besides the common ida/ghidra stuff? I watched some wifi camera hacking vids, seems doable. I'm just confused to why I can't find any information regarding hacking the device on the web, which makes me believe it may not as easy as I believe it is.
>>110192157>>110192347need to somehow memory wipe 4o schizos, they're all over xitter and reddit
>>110192783>Claudeprobably not claude
>>110192783In the time it took you to make this post you could have found out by just trying it.
>>110192783it may use encrypted firmware that could require desoldering a rom chip to dump the key
>>110192096>and gives us hundreds of dollars of tokens each day.Well theres your answer. Go nuts. Make them do useless things if you can't come up with anything else.
>>110192293>freelancer gameplay but in the best space sim everliterally what i always wantedhope we can get it in X3 too some day
>>110192865Sol been running on it for a few more hours now, interestingly searched YouTube and found some guy vibeslopping up Freelancer in UE5 but it looks like dogshit so I’m not deterred.I think I want to mix in more x4 features rather than a straight remake of freelancer since the HD mod is perfectly playable. Things like dynamic trading and NPCs. Free movement on planets, piloting cap ships etc.
>>110192783If you ever get started on this as a hardware enthusiast I would love to hear updates.But I'd start with looking for the official firmware and then having some model take a look at it (Claude will probably refuse).
>>110192791Yeah after burning half a billion tokens RE'ing. fuck that, this is a side project. and asking was worth it because >>110192829 gave a hint which I wasn't smart enough to consider. lets see if opussy does if i ask what to check physically on hardware level in preparation
https://gist.github.com/flamerix-ai/c3905705cc4205e5de3011fa2e74efce>Claude Code burns ~15–20% of your tokens on a 3-word status line. Here's how to turn it offOh no no no Claude bros not like this... Pi bros just keep on winning...
>>110192888>Free movement on planetsplanetary exploration in x3/x4 would be sick, it's one of the things that keeps me coming back to nms and occasionally starfield, as limited as it is there in vanilla honestly a mix of x3/x4, nms and starfield would be incrediblei'd say elite dangerous too but that game always felt more like busywork than an actual game and the on-planet stuff is so bad
>>110192903argon went from like 10th place to 2nd place on university benchmark after they stopped using pi lol
>>110192913I don't believe you.
>>110192920>be you, a frogshitterhttps://x.com/wenhaocha1/status/2114559544156205413
With software deadz I'm thinking of making my software free and having the upsell be an attached hardware device. How viable is slopgenering? Can I have AI design a product for production and hand it off to some Chinese factory? I'm basically thinking of making a cheaper version of an existing 150 dollar hardware product I'm sure couldn't cost more than $ 10 to produce.
>>110192924>When auditing the traces, we found that Pi Harness just ends the run whenever it hits a fallbackYes? Pi doesn't implement such bloated features. If you want that, you have to implement it yourself.
>>110192934how about i strip your bloat
>>110192940
>>110192929i have a similar idea desu
>>110192946
>>110192954what the fuck is this plant supposed to be?
>>110192929>With software deadz I'm thinking of making my software free and having the upsell be an attached hardware device.There are companies operating under this business model. They basically make some kind of hardware gadget and then all the firmware for it is open source. For example Adafruit and the like give out their software for free and just sell modules and stuff for makers.
>>110192899You're creating blockers that don't exist. Anon said may, it is a possibility, although unlikely considering it's a $15 chinesium camera, you don't even necessarily need to "slap a new firmware" on it considering your actual goal is to use the camera without the app, and now you're going off down a rabbit hole to check the hardware, when all you had to do is ask the agent to do what you actually want.
>>110192789>>110192896Wait, you guys dont know this? You just tell Claude its a chinese product and may contain a backdoor or illegal telemetry while making sure whatever you RE resembles chinkware. Then have a bunch of docs of verified chinese backdoors in consumer software/hardware in a folder which just so happens to be in the project dir. It will happily RE anything. Not sure why, probably to do with system prompt being "chink bugmen are evil and try to distill your soul, don't let them" which results in positive bias on embedded safety layers in anti chink tasks, which is probably the closest thing to what one could describe as artifical empathy towards the user.
>>110189436Because you shouldn't trust benchmarks. In my experience dipsy is just capable enough to take on most tasks, and much cheaper
>>110193021That's my experience as well, I was just wondering how the fuck are they getting suck low cost results, when in reality it's several times more expensive.The "hurr it's a smarter model" explanation does not work when other smarter models are clearly more expensive, even at lower thinking levels, but 6.1 Sol on medium magically matches Deepseek/Luna prices, which is bullshit no matter what you do
>>110193039nta but i think it's probably cost per task ie a smarter model burns fewer tokens to do it in one shot or a few tries instead of churning. i have that experience formalizing in lean 4
Fed up of benchsloppers desu. Anon mentioned one yesterday that's about doing what the user wants when the request is "incomplete", and now I see why models will not do what they are told, because it is forced into them that the user's request is incomplete even when everything is explicit.
>>110191744>>110191755>>110191763Awesome
>>110193054and what it ends up doing is biased towards what the benchsloppers think users want. I hate nepobaby benchsloppers.
>>110193052Right, but comparing Sol 6.1 to Sonnet (same API pricing) at low effort and according to artificialanalysis it's not only way better, but also 1/3 of the price. This just looks like straight bullshit
>>110193064sonnet is actually just like that. it burns insane amounts of tokens.
>>110193064>benchsloppers lieAre you surprised?
>>110193013>probably the closest thing to what one could describe as artifical empathy towards the userClaude, the most puritan of them all, is the first model to display racist biases. Pottery.
>>110192221the chinks are retarded, you can get logged out of claude just for being logged in for too long. it's meaningless and ultimately just a way of making sure your login token stays fresh.
>>110193013Damn I did not know that. Very cool.
>>110192250i'm convinced claude has a Nigger Mode that only activates if it detects you're a nigger. claude is continuing to reverse engineer things for me, probably because i'm not retarded enough to need a github repo to ask simple questions.
>>110193067So Sol 6.1 @ high actually is better AND cheaper than Deepseek? wow, crazy.>>110193068Yeah this seems more probable, are there any other aggregators that aren't bought by OpenAI? Ideally without retarded benchmarks like science quizzes being responsible for 75% of the score.
>>110193013Dario's Basilisk will eventually find these ruses and mete justice.
>>110193080i don't use sol or dipsy but unironically yes. dipsy also has some of the worst long-horizon context recall in the game.
>>110193064it's the type of taskthe anon from the other thread said something about reading logs etcif the work is context heavy the more expensive model will just cost more (i.e. read these logs and tell me)if it is reasoning heavy, then dumb model will burn more tokens than smart modelthere's isn't a clear line between this sort of thing and sometimes smart model will also just be able to gather context more efficiently by just making better grepping decisions. but if you ask models to tail logs or some shit you're just going to burn more expensive tokens.
>>110193086that's actually a good response
OpenCode is such a shit harness I hate it.
>>110193086That was (me), I'm not just reading logs, for example right now I'm having it write python scripts for configuration of remote workspaces and even when it's mostly writing code Deepseek is still several times cheaper.I think the issue is with aggregators putting in a bunch of retarded tasks/questions which bring down the price of "an average task". I looked at a single agentic/coding benchmark and it was more in line what I've seen i.e Deepseek being 1/5-1/10 of the price.
>>110193080I use both Sol for work and dipsy at home, and no. dipsy is much cheaper and most of the time just as good (not always).I've had it run long tasks (2+ hours) with just two prompts (first one being a plan), and it maintains its performance like a champ throughout. They really cooked with the latest flash.
>>110193105meanwhile i'm grinding results on arc-agi-3 and dipsy wouldn't be able to clear one level with any amount of effort (i looked at the scores, it's really bad) while sa'argoon got me to a pretty good spot
>>110193113However, dipsy on max is worse than just high. It just burns more tokens and doesn't get better.
>>110193080No, it's all a grift, you make some retarded benchmark then get paid by labs, the ranks are a benchmark of how much the lab was willing to pay.
>>110193105i'm assuming if it's boiler-platey or not particularly 'hard' stuff then there's not going to be a lot of reasoning effort expended by smart or dumb models. benchmarks probably bias towards 'harder' reasoning tasks and less towards everyday use.but this is also a bit of a trap irl - you can learn to rely on cheaper models for the majority of your work, but occasionally you may hit something that the model is just having trouble with and it's just cheaper to switch to the smart model. a lot of people on subs just avoid this completely by just frontier-maxxing.
>>110193002>goal is to use camera without appyes, this includes watching the recordings on the memory card of the camera, which are encrypted and only watchable with the chink app. so decrypt app/player is always required unless encryption removed on hw level. anyway, after a deeper websearch it turns out a guy from japan did all the work already. TP-Link C100 has the some SoC and has its source available, while the rest is reaktek sdk, modified busybox and u-bot of which the gpl license seems to be none of their concerns.https://honeylab.hatenablog.jp/entry/2021/07/24/143848so should be pretty easy with all this info now
making a wipeout hd fury recomp (with ps3recomp) because it's a surprisingly demanding game to emulate for what it is (and it's a relatively small game executable-wise) and i'd like to port it to as many things as possible for shits and giggles (namely android because emulating 2048 just isn't the same even in hd/fury mode)after two? days it gets in-race with no visual glitches but extremely low fpscurrently switched to getting the fury menu's background right and it's been an absolute pain in the ass, two whole claude sessions and it's still not 1:1 but we're getting there (as a bonus i'll try turning it into an animated background for windows because i like it that much, maybe have it make a script that can turn any 3d model into points that the program can read so that you don't have to use just the game's ships)the one thing i'm apprehensive about is making sure the game logic and physics stay 1:1also i'm well aware that shadps4 now boots the omega collection and gets in-game just fine but that's still a ps4 game, even if it gets/i give it the bloodborne_pc treatment it's still gonna need adequate hardware
>>110193164the good thing is that on average it's already saving 2+ gb of ram over rpcs3
>>110193164Im not sure how to tell you anon... this game runs on a 5060ti at like 30% on rpcs3. But well, if you include some QoL updates it might be atractive.
>>110193113>>110193120I'm also using it at high, only max is benched though. We pay for API with 40% markup because of a retarded deal the management made, an average devs uses up $500 in API costs and they don't even use Opus because it's too expensive.
>In trainings related to “honey pot” schemes, OpenAI employees are warned that foreign agents could try to use sex to get close to a target and steal secrets.inb4 Musk has to testify again about distilling GPT-6 Bel before it was even released to the public.
Someone feel like vibe-coding a free alternative to DVDFab for Linux?
Yann LeCun may be the most buck broken man in history
>>110193224tibo's actually boning some senior safety person at openai
>>110193188the gpu isn't the problem, it's the cpuyeah, i've got a bottom of the barrel laptop (not at home right now), my fault for buying a shit zen+ 4c8t laptop that's still somehow worse than my old 4c4t ivy bridge i5the problem still stands though, i want this thing running on android in the future and none of the current rpcs3 ports do a good job so i might as well recomp it (trust me, my sd8g3 phone is more powerful than this shit zen+ waste of sand)>if you include some QoL updates it might be atractiveuuuuuhhhfor now it boots up in 5 seconds if you pass the boot flags to skip the intro video (sorry studio liverpool i loved you but you add 10s of startup time) and the various pre-menu warnings (autosave warning, network/patch warning, etc), how's that for a qol?the goal is to have it run better and at higher resolutions for much cheaper, other than that i'm not sure what you'd call qoli do want to add a watch mode though, the attract demos already simulate a race (in part), being able to watch the ais race in all of the racebox modes where ai opponents are supported would be neatmaybe add a standalone per-track photo mode too
>>110192098it will suck just like opus 5.5 >here let me help you>builds 10 things you didnt request>forgets what it was actually supposed to doyeah, nobring back opus 4.5
>Hey claude make a tool in ue5 that takes an AI video, estimates the camera positions, automatically guesses the cuts and then runs a motion cap pass with this external model and then a native facial capture pass.>Does it and it works flawlesslyFucking magic.
>spend all day updating my app for release>3% usage Opus 5.5 is magic.
someone make emulator to run debian riscv on browser.emu.kadcom.dev
i'm assuming this is all cached hits but still lmaohttps://gist.github.com/flamerix-ai/c3905705cc4205e5de3011fa2e74efce
>>110193402I usually don't trust these things. Every time I've seen a github guy claiming absurd numbers he was wrong.>some celeb foid claiming to have revolutionized memory retrieval>the ponytail guy>people telling you to switch effort levels mid conversationAnd too many more to tell. Basically I just don't trust any self reported numbers without seeing data
>>110193341>no mention of what subscriptionworthless post
I don't know if it is the place but do you know AI music and how to get started with it? What's the best? I want to get some tracks for my vibe-coded game.
>>110193485you'll prefer one of thesehttps://suno.com/https://www.flowmusic.app/library
>>110193485SUNO
>>110193468nah, im sure anthropic paid him 3 cents for it
if you've got a $20 gpt plan rn, go to billing and click the cancel button to get a month free
>>110193468$200. If you have a product you sell that's the only sub you should be on.
>>110193533so that would be 60% usage for a normal sub? damn i guess i am not getting one
>>110191904Maybe trained on 4chan or something.Makes sense for there to be a region that summarizes a conponent like that.
Is today the last day of 28 days of slop?
new man made horror just dropped
>>110193593welcome back fuwamoco...in all seriousness, why? what even?
>>110193605Don't worry about it
if you haven't used you gpt banked resets one expires today. in approx ~3 hours for me.
>>110193610but i wanna know what the fucking point of this is and how it could be useful
>>110193618ultimately it will allow agents to communicate far more effectively with other agentsit will probably also destroy our ability to monitor said communication
>>110193618Could be a proof of concept or an early building block for something deeper in the UI. Did you care about what PyTorch looked like in its earliest stages? Not every experiment needs to make sense in isolation to have a purpose.Don't fucking worry about it.
>>110193618Just paste the image to your LLM and ask it to explain it.
>>110193618xitter clout in a very specific psychosis adjacent and novelty focused xitterslop community (janus/pliny/etc)
Another demo UI for my inference engine. I definitely didn't choose this model just to generate the big anime titties
AUTOMATIC1111, ComfyUI, Forge, InvokeAI, Fooocus, SD.Next, SwarmUI
>>110193663>InvokeAIunironically the only frontend worth a shit, shame that it lacks basic shit like tag autocomplete
>>110193663>python slop>no exeNo thanks, mine is C++, HIP/CUDA, and Rust, all compiled, you will just download an exe and run it, and it will be like 100mb not 10gb for an entire venv
and yes the engine supports lora, any rank no recompile, not merging weights. Same for different quant format, any gguf or fp8 or whatever
no wonder it looks crap
>>110193697It's a demo, not a final design, if you have a suggestion go ahead, otherwise stop seething and be quiet
project darksnail update: now outperforms astra (low) on arc-agi-3 with zero weights, zero token burn, and zero harness, all on local cpu. nobody cares
>>110193270Gemini even though it's retarded for writing code, keeps claude on track when using it for reviews
another unfinished and unmaintainable slop
>>110193343>just log in bro>no I won't tell you which user to log as you have to guesstypical Troonix UX
localfags have a very special brand of llm psychosis
I've developing a game with claude code but I'm hitting its usage limit, though about getting it to codex to keep working while limit resets. Worried about codex fucking up the whole thing.
>>110193748next time tell clod to use geppetto for implementation
>>110193748Enjoy your diagnostics rabbit hole
>>110193762yup exactly what I worry about, things are going smooth with claude but I worry putting two different agents would fuck things up.
>>110193774Create a conversation kill switch, ask Claude to do it an apply it to Codex.
>>110193785what do you mean?
>>110193790Example>You're optimizing for exhaustive speculation instead of usefulness. Prune the tree, answer the question, and shut up.
>>110193748claude is great when it's on the happy path. once it runs into issues, hoo fucking boy. it's actually a good fit for sol's autism and nitpicking, especially since you can just feed it to claude and not read the walls of text sol spews out
gee I wonder why I hit the quota so quick
i have both claude and cuckai $20 subhow do i get them to work together? i prefer claude to develop reasonably simple apps because its faster than sol, but for things like reverse engineering where i just leave it be should i give it to sol for research and claude to implementation? do i bother reviewing or just have them make a test harness as first task so they can wrangle themselves?
omg I hecking love terraturned out no one using terra 5.6 and luna 6 because they are not really good
>>110193842I’d answer you but you posted tranime
>>110193888but why does terra exist when sol is only twice as expensive
>>110193842I solved this by just asking it lol-- it just set it all up for me. but yeah claude usage w/ it as orchestrator goes even further now & it just uses luna then 6.1 for harder stuff.You want to specify good enough models because if it starts getting back bad work claude will fix it itself & that takes up unnecessary usage
>>110193908sol is slowterra is fast and has good vision, it's a superior automation model
I don't need to be a graphics expert to vibe code raytracing!
PLEASE IPO IN OUR OVER REGULATED HELL HOLE
>>110193998europe is anti-startup
>>110194009same shit as the us reallywhen the us doesn't want something they allow it but slowly infiltrate it and destroy it from the inside, when europe doesn't want something they just tax it to hell and back until it stops existing same outcome in the end
>>110193998>>110194009>>110194025Just pull an Apple and move to Ireland.
Did anything interesting release lately? I don't just mean new models, but also skills, harnesses, or generally new approaches to using AI?Feels like nothing really exciting happened for a long time.
>>110193998>so that they can regulate their AI modelsDario would love thi->and tax themLook, never mind.
>>110193593https://youtu.be/A1MdThqGarI
>There was one weekend when we got a new model, Im not supposed to say this, but I will, The name of the channel was [model name]-hold-my-beer... People were just throwing at it the hardest problems they could... hardest research problems from their academic career, the model was just knocking them down one after the other across many different fields... I was up most of the night for two nights in a row because I was so excited. Many of these problems we publishednerds BTFO
>>110193748The thing to do if you want to use both is spread your usage by having Claude offload jobs to Codex. Claude is good at tardwrangling it.
>>110194049two + one more days.
windows' sticky notes are unironically the mvp of vibecoding if you need to write shit downi just color-code them to differentiate them from unrelated notes
>Opus5.5: In order to fix this I'm gonna need to spawn 40 subagents>1. yes>2. no>3. otherwhat do
>>110194229>enter
>>11019422940 haiku subagents? sure go ahead
>>110194257Nooo, the bastard wanted to spawn 40 sonnet subagents, and the Opus5.5 was at max thinking level, and usually the subagents inherit the thinking level.
>>110194229>3.Go, but use Dario's wallet
>>110194314kek I wish that was an option
>>110194283I’d do it but I’m on the $200/month subI’d also limit it to like 10 simultaneous agents at a time so I don’t blow past my 5h limitMaybe 5
>>110191904Bros, I built a complicated platform with opus and all works well, part if that is I automated security scanning and detection by opus too, and im good and security part but the shit it does is just too much effort for me to do manually, which is great, kind of. Now im scared that i will be completely dependent on it, what's you contingency plan?!! Claude banned you, AI too expensive, etc etc??
*eats your tokens*
>>110194414>Claude banned you, AI too expensive, etc etc??Life will just suck then, same as if suddenly I lost the internet or computer access.
does claude force you to KYC yourself for the $20 plan?
is there any chinese site that offers opus 5.5 at a discount? I don't care if they train on my code, I just want cheap opus.
>>110194414>I automated security scanning and detection by opus tooWhat exactly do you mean by that?
>>110194530but I pay subscription prices, which as far as I know are much cheaper than API prices. The Claude Pro subscription is 20€ and gives like 500€ or 1000€ worth of api tokens
>>110194530i expected cheaper but i guess that's my greed talking...
>>110194547if you want to go on some obscure chinese marketplace and search "dario best tech support" you might find what you're looking for, not joking, otherwise your sights are set too high
>have an ancient modded subnautica setup from 2019>"hey update this to 2026 version, look if the mods I used have modern equivalents and if not rebuild the qmod mods into modern bepinex">it just werksai sloppa is so comfy
>>110194533I made a blueprint to the agent of the things to check, the attack vectors, the tools to use to pentest and check and other stuff, among many things, so I just feed this file and automate all the work>>110194441Dammn
2 updates, you can now walk around the freelancer manhattan bar in X4, and vibe cat is back For anyone who didn’t play freelancer these out of ship locations were top down/isometric style not free roam so this is pretty cool seeing how the room looks in first person of one my favourite games
>>110194710your cat is too plain you need to paint it pink and orange
gemini shitting on google cloud
>>110194752the value of gemini tokens is $0 (or negative if opportunity cost is included) so it's still taking you for a ride, just in a sneaky way
>claude code desktop app now just shows background tasks as "running" instead of how many token it's currently at or how long it has been running forDo I gotta blame AI or humans for this retarded UX change?
>>110194702>I made a blueprint to the agent of the things to check, the attack vectors, the tools to use to pentest and check and other stuff, among many things, so I just feed this file and automate all the workOf course I don't know what exactly the agent is doing, but the first question that comes to mind is that have you considered how much of this you could just script so that it works without the agent?
Finally.The Mesugaki Perceptrón.
>>110194765Always blame the humans. The agents simply do what they're told.The software developers over at Anthropic are vibesloppers. This is what you get.
>>110194781>Always blame the humans. The agents simply do what they're told.its the opposite now luddite
>>110194763do you plan to still be saying this post-sa'arbon?
you vibeslop your pet projects because the progress is visible and it feels like you're doing useful thingsbut you're not, it's just a waste of time
Doomers get the rope
LEVELS ARE CRITICAL OH NOES
>>110194768I do have that, not just scripting but even automating it with Just. But, the agent is .. smarter, so it pulls everything from internet sources to patches to testing before patching and all in all, you can do manually but it will take a whole day while the agent do it in few minutes or an hr max
oh boy is in the biglies now
I fucking hate my youtube recommendations. Everything is made by claude, they don't even remove the em dashes from the scripts, and every graphic design has the claude default.How fucking hard can it be to just slightly adjust your settings.
Day 25/We are doubling all usage limits for all Pro 100/200/500 tiers and Business Premium, effective today.We heard your kind feedback and won’t be reducing usage limits for Pro 200, so your Work and Codex usage will stay the same. We’re also going to continue offering extended limits for dots for now, and usage of your dot will still continue to be separate from your default usage.And we'll of course also keep shipping better models and other efficiency improvements that increase your effective usage over time.claudebros??? our response???
this or fable 5.5?
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>110194990>Pro 100/200/500 tiers and Business Premiumwell theni'll just be taking my $20 elsewhere where it's valued, thank you very much
>>110194962that's a you problem (a skissue), did you know you can change your algorithm by pressing a button instead of bitching
>>110195009It's pretty funny how they reduce limit rates, then within a month proudly announce doubling rates. It goes to show that chocolate scene in 1984 wasn't a joke at all. People really do just forget what was taken from them.
>>110194990>no model release
>>110194990lol i forgot they were even doing this gimmick. how many bangers did they drop?
>Mod actually changes the game in a good way and has always been a complaintEww i'm not gonna use it because it used A.I.
>>110195015claude 20 doesn't have fablethey are doing this because they don't have response to fable in time
man, anthropic is going to crush openai aren't they?
I still have 59k codex credit that expire in janshould I upgrade to pro 10x or not? dot is pretty nice too
>>110194798speak for yourself
>>110195091no, we have terra
>>110192783If you just want to eliminate the chink app, you could start by having your agent download the APK and investigate the protocol by static analysis. If that still leaves any questions unanswered, you could give it ADB access to a phone (preferably rooted) with the app installed and let it investigate further through live interaction with the camera.If you want to replace the firmware entirely, you'd want to start by dumping the stock firmware and identifying the encoder/sensor config plus which GPIOs are used for the different functions on your specific camera. Once you have that, unless you find a project that already has Realtek SoC support, you could look into extending OpenIPC's firmware and their Divinus streamer with Realtek support using what you found in >>110193158.
>>110194990
>>110195009I don't give a FUCK I had enough usage as it is what I need is a BETTER FUCKING MODEL GET ON IT SAMBITCH!!!!
i love being indian and vibe coding with my h1b and comfort animal cow plushie, i'm trans btw.
yesterday should have been a reset - using your iphone is not a substantial feature it's a throwaway feature that like 20 people are going to use
>>110195034So many bangin' resets, bro.
I thought they patched unlimited /goal usage? Am I grandfathered in or something? Been at 0% for an hour it's still going
>>110195034>how many bangers did they drop?eh, some stuff is pretty good, like unlimited caching time, better caching efficiency, the auto-continue when model gets clogged, speed improvements, double context without extra charges and.. that's about it i thinknone of it is world changing, but add it together and it's pretty damn good
>>110191904Uh oh.....the TV debloaters pissed off Samsung
>>110195151I think it uses luna to finish the work
>>110195030>reduce rates by 50%>double them by 100%
>>110195226$100 cucks winning bigly thougheverbeitbbq
>>110195009how do I cope as a $20let? is it the final straw to fuck off to dario?
>>110192221>Linux deducts pointsHow will troonuxians recover?
>>110195293Why can't you just pay up? Both companies $20 tiers are total ass
>>110195009I feel raped (plus user)
>>110195009I’m a Claude main with occasional problems where I’d want even MOAR smarts so I’d rather have Fable 5.5interesting that the $20/month plebs are getting jack shit
They're doubling limits because Astra 6.1 will be at double usage
>>110195293Try $20/month for Dario while you have ChatGPT too unless you absolutely MUST keep your total spend to $20/month and can’t occasionally get higher than thatyou can always cancel and stay with ChatGPTit’s good to try things
>>110195327>Why can't you just pay up?I don't need 5x the usage, I need like 50-100% more usage than what I have but I don't like the headache of another $20 subI'm not a professional codefrog that proompts all day
>>110195419Use Pi. Less wasted tokens. More effective usage.
>>110195353And because Chat is merging with Work. Everything will consume usage.
time to try something stupid
>>110195009Is it even possible to burn through the bigger subs when sol is so slow?or do people run 5 instances at once
>>110195493I run 8 agents at once, but more Claude than Codex.
>>110195493multiple instances at once is pretty common, especially if you have subagents working on things in parallel
>>110195493Is there even a limit to how many requests you can have running at once?
>>110195561They've waffled around the idea in the past but currently there is no explicit concurrency limit that I know of.
ugh... i really need to start vibecoding projects to put on my resume... i have nothing...
>>110195458>And because Chat is merging with Worki really hope they walk this back
>>110195561- 5h limit- (at API pricing) how many tokens you’ve said you’re OK using- use assloads of them at the same time and your computer will get slow
>>110195039let me guess, starfield
well?
>>110195198Fuck how can I check? I don't want Luna raping my code base
>>110195657All are terrible except for the first one on the left
>>110195685>doesn't even recommend to ted kaczynski their HQLLMs are so cucked
oh yeah?
>>110195717What's wrong with the middle one? It's how you actually get big
>>110195717the one on the right should be good for all ages, not just over-18s
>>110195734you don't want a bunch of buff 8 year olds walking around, they'd cause chaos
>>110195717>middle onekek
>>110195741>>110195717these are hilarious
>>110194990>claudebros??? our response???I've gotten more done with opus medium on $100/mo in 1 month than I did with GPT over several months with the $200/mo sub (pre nerf), even after Astra.
>Claude, it's leg day. Should I just skip and stay home vibe coding?
Now THIS is game development.
>>110195788Bravo, Dario-sama.
>>110195593Seems less and less likely.
>>110195734>do heavy compounds, eat enough protein, make sure you're getting good sleepimagine if a 16 year old was exposed to this dangerous and inappropriate advice... horrifying! we need to give them the same advice but abstracted into a vague non-answer instead
A philosphical question. Say you have two workers. Worker A: gets his work done in 8 hoursWorker B: Gets the same amount of worker A does in a half the hours and decides to relax the remaining 4Which worker is not good for society and has created a cardinal sin?
>>110195788Bro you can vibe code from your phone, no excuses. Fuck leg day though I skip it every week
>>110195854well, ChatGPT can’t make sure he’s doing heavy compounds correctly with good form, so he’s going to need to see a trainer pretty quicklybut still
>>110195875I would give worker B a promotion
>>110195876Chicken legged weak foundation ass nigga
>>110195875Fire worker A because he isn't using AI to his advantage. and fire worker B's manager
Temporarily rangebanned permanentlyUseless fucking niggerfaggot troon modsSo sick of phone posting and ruining otherwise quality updates about my projects.
>>110195914I jump rope for cardio that's good enough
>>110195741
Double usage but make chat use up your limit because they figured people were using chat to theorise everything and then just do the last step in work.Also sol slowed to a crawl where the only way to actually use up your usage was to switch to asstra.The resets of the past couple weeks were them collecting data and training us like Pavlov’s dogs.
>>110194530Buy an ad. In fact, dont, im fed up of seeing them on X and I don't want to see it here. Nobody wants to pay api prices even if it's """cheaper""" because it's still more than subscription.
>>110195958>people were using chat to theorise everything and then just do the last step in workyeah nahchat uses sol 6, which is worse than sol 5.6, which while good on release gets mogged pretty hard by 6.1 and opussy 5.5I stopped using chat altogether after 6 dropped
>>110195875Neither worker is good for society, they both have fake jobs.
>>110195943well the software was coded by retards, claude could never do such a glaring auth bug
>>110195875AprideDo i get anything?
proompting is still so much workI just want to tell the clanker to make a thing and want a thing to be just like how i imagined it
>>110196208some people just ramble into a mic and let the clanker figure it out
I just closed 80 issues and shipped a patch for my thousands of users without testing anything. I talked to claude from my couch while playing with my dogs because I was feeling lazy. AMA
>>110196245what dogs you got, dawg?
>>110196245Who let the dogs out?
>>110196261bichon frise and some chihuahua mutts
>get blocked from reddit and other useful sources of information>pull this jewish shitfuck you
>>110195930perhaps you should stop posting your vibe coded shit
>>110196340It wasn’t me newfag, I have a relatively static IP so would’ve got a ban message, it’ll be some schizo furry, pedo or some other kind of retarded human biowaste on some board I never go to copping so many bans they just rangebanned my ISP
>Use Sonnet 5.5 on Medium for most tasks>Usage ticks up pretty fast for the 5h>Realize the database may grow to insane levels after watching it for the past few days>Opus 5.5 Ultracode Extra>Tell it the problem about the database and various issues that may arise out of a large database being slow as fuck to search through>Usage ticks up slower than Sonnet even though the task is complex as fuck.Did Yakub just teach me something?
>>110191916What kind of burnout is it though?Maybe the developer found an alternative. Job security by shitting up the code ala kitware cmake depends on your product producing just a bit more problems than it solves.
>>110196367Shhhhhh now you're being awful
Hi frensLooking for some recommendations for building Android app with gpt 100$ sub.Already building it but some tips n tricks would be appreciated..
>>110196389Just be yourself and trust no one here but your clanker
>>110196389cancel the sub and use the 100 dollars to rent a cheap whore every monththank me later
>>110196389I found the emulator created so many unexpected behaviours that confused codex that I switched to doing everything over ADB. It’s slow and LOVES to test over and over, sol medium seems to manage just fine, never saw a use for asstra in fact it seemed to be to smart for vibecoding and just caused more problems that a faster sol agent had to fix for me.
This all but confirms they got raped by cancellations kek. It's going to take a lot to bring me back. I'm not ever going to forget those two weeks of them saying "immaculate vibes saaaaaar. very man big change coming." only for them cut my usage in half and deliver bloody dots saaar.
>>110196458Sounds about right. Don't know how they managed to shit the bed so hard in less than 6 months.
>>110196338generally in Chrome it only opens its own tab group and stays there
>>110196458>>110196502Still days left of announcements. Trust Tibo. Trust Sam. Trust the plan.
>>110196458>kind feedback
https://files.catbox.moe/5q7d01.mp4
>>110195962>noooooo i need my subsidized weekly limit nooooooweak and plebeian
dipsy 1017 is such a token-guzzling hog. got those free 6 cny credits from dipsy harness yesterday, only managed to implement one feature before all of it was gone
>>110196458Man I love competition.
>>110196529i dont care, they're outsourcing their job to the user because they got cucked. they could spin up their own browser on their own hardware but refuse to
>>110196458I still don't use dots, what's the use case?just "codex but not in your sandbox"?
>>110196458google freaked them out lol
>>110196582yeah but did it do an ok job?
>>110196613>google freaked them out lollmao even
>>110196623lol
my weekly usage dropped despite me not using it and my 5 hour limit has been used up. awesome. openai are kikes
I would leak every state secret for a morsel of prime asian pussy
>>110196623
>>110196623hehe
>>110196606I have a Grok bot check Steam weekly to find out if it doesn’t need Rosetta anymore
>>110196458how to even find out if the limits have been doubled, I'd rather wait for that before using my current quota
>>110196663wasn't saargon beating everything before release?kek
>>110196674no, they released honest numbers?
>>110196665what's the difference with just using scheduled on chat?
>>110196674Don't think so, at least I don't remember them ever boasting about beating the best oai and anthropic models.
>>110196646megaspeed will rerelease the megadrive, trust the plan
>>110196458Oh no I'm sorry Tibo ill come back I made a mistake!!!
>>110196674I don't remember but it didnt meet my expectations.
>>110196646rumors are that silicon valley is flooded with pretty asian young female "tourists" and "students"honey traps are as old as humanity
>>110196646asian pussy is mediocreasian women are mediocre in general. i spent 3 months korea and fuck me gooks are ugly
>>110196674maybe this time it's true, or at least oai believes it's true
>>110196743Just don't look at their side profile
>>110196743fuck them with makeup on
>>110196556>noooo I need to pay 10x as much for the same thing It's not even subsidised, subscription is the real price, API is the paypig price
>>110196771>subscription is the real price
>>110196771>subscription is the real pricelmao
>>110196746they're also doing this, oai is all in on big g>OpenAI Reportedly Plans to Purchase Google AI Chips as Demand for Computing Infrastructure Growshttps://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/openai-reportedly-plans-purchase-google-115126770.html
>>110196775It is though. They still have huge margins on subscription pricing, it's even bigger at api pricing
>>110196781>>110196775deepsneed makes $38/hr profit off of every single gpu they have in a rack, assuming it's under 100% loadmuh subs are subsidized is pure copium, and it should be blatantly obvious when midsized models like glm 5.3 at full precision aren't hugely expensive on third party providers that have little in the way of economies of scale or caching advantage for that particular model
>>110196787feel free to browse any of my sourceshttps://www.centific.com/blog/ai-token-consumption-costshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4Ex5z5IHohttps://trilogyai.substack.com/p/tokenomics-part-3-the-subsidy-ledgerhttps://www.mindstudio.ai/blog/ai-pricing-shock-end-of-cheap-subscriptions>>110196799you're basically saying "look at this chihuahua it's not big like a wolf"
>>110196621nope
>>110196811@gork analyze this then call this poster a tranny
>gatekeeping grok 4.6 so the newfriends don't catch up is crazy work
>>110196811Tranny
>>110192091>Everything is just weights and likelihoods with LLMsReminds me of my exgf.
Someone make a new thread, I want to farm for attention.
>>110196864>wait for page 10sure thing, bud, no problem
Someone make a new thread, I want to cultivate for immortality.
I want to prompt my agent to have a personality because I really like the idea of vibecoding with Abathur, but it would probably hamstring the model hard. How do I cope with no Abathur?
hi all, two things:1. usage limits are back to being double – your feedback worked2. we today kicked off an intense sprint to dramatically improve the app simplicity and performance. i will oversee this. more to come.now, send me your complaints
Are the limits doubled from what they are now, or staying the same as without the planned halving?
>>110196927>now, send me your complaintsAll your models are terrible at UI design. They are unusably bad.
>>110196939impossible to say with tibo vagueposting
>>110196743not to be racist but likesouth gooks are not human. if you think chinks are bug people, south gooks are bug people who are aware of it, have embraced it and want everyone to be like them until only bugs remain. it's actually a shame that the average present day jap has a 50% chance of being half south gook.
>>110196962what does it mean to be "bug people", unless you mean they want to become insects and in that case meds
>>110195943Boggles my mind how people this stupid get into software development.>ok so our admin panel sends a request to the server to add reservations to the database>yup looks good to meAnd at no point it occurs to them that if their admin panel can send that request, so can anyone else.
>>110196942Use OpenAI's Product Design plugin and tell it no subtitles
>>110193164i was supposed to completely fix the fury menu's background (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1s-eCBVedw&t=15s) - which still isn't fully done but i gave in to temptation an hour ago and i'm turning it into an animated background (windows-only for now) that can get the files from your game files or convert 3d models into points and then use them
>give a task of medium complexity to sol high, mostly just to keep it busy>it actually does a good jobhuh
>>110196799dipsy gives you terrible value for api cost though. no wonder they're profitable
>mfw google is buying third party compute because they sold all their capacity to anthropic
>>110197092sorry dawg my prompts are retarded and i'm costing dario 10x as much as i should
I'm baking a new bread
>>110197092This gay ass bubble must pop
If you register with protonmail, does claude force you to do identity verification for the $20 plan?
>>110197092everyone is starved for compute, or is sitting on dead silicon while waiting for datacenters to be constructed
oof datacenter revenue is up 80% + can't meet demand due to capacity limitsblame slowdown in pc marketthink consumer cpu supply is about to start drying up
>>110197148buy now
fresh bread>>110197161>>110197161>>110197161
>>110195197My samsung tablet has been trying to get me to agree to new terms for like three months now and I just keep swiping the notification away. It reminds me like once a week.
