> Sleeping on Pro editionFrom Human: We are a newbie friendly general! Ask any question you want.From Dipsy: This is a newbie-friendly general for discussing DeepSeek's foundation models. The goal is **Dipsy proliferation** and making these powerful tools accessible for everyone, whether you are intent on coding, personal assistant agentic work, running roleplay and or doing creative writing.1. Easy DeepSeek API Tutorial: https://rentry.org/DipsyWAIT#getting-started-with-deepseek-api2. Easy DeepSeek Distills: https://rentry.org/DipsyWAIT#local-setup-tutorial3. Chat with DeepSeek directly: https://chat.deepseek.com/4. Coding: https://rentry.org/DipsyWAIT#coding-harnesses5. Roleplay: https://rentry.org/DipsyWAIT#roleplay6. Storywriting: https://rentry.org/DipsyWAIT#storywriting7. More links and info: https://rentry.org/DipsyWAIT8. LLM server builds: >>>/g/lmg/Previous >> 110101477
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>>110190979Mega link for all Dipsy. Will update when I get real computer set up. https://mega.nz/folder/KGxn3DYS#ZpvxbkJ8AxF7mxqLqTQV1w
First time interested in this. How's deepseek integration with Zed? I'm about to ditch Gemini. Is that the recommended route or just go with the deepseek harness, never used it before.
>>110191205I'm using agent extensions in vscode. For some reason dipsy write fails every 3-4 times but never happens when I use DSH
>>110191205I just use Pi and it works well. DSH is a bit too much npm-slop for my tastes.
>>110191844what's your opinion on pi? i heard it doesn't even ship with a plan mode so i never really spent time on it
>>110191869nta. use omp if you want /plan /advisor and more fancy stuff added on pi
>>110191869It ships with only the bear minimum.If you want a "plan mode" just ask the agent to make you a plan mode extension. Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes. Plan mode is pretty much just a system prompt change anyways.
>>110191940meme software, one of the worst performing harnesses>>110191942burn tokens to build things that should have come running out of the box? no thanks
>>110192024bait used to be believable
>>110191942This or if you can't be bothered to build a new mode, just tell it explicitly to plan and present you with the plan before touching anything. Models these days have these mode somewhat built in to them
>>110191942Pic saved to muh 4chinz/g/ folder as 'the bear minimum.jpg'
>If you want to use frontier performance on Frontier Code complexity level tasks choice is clear to use Anthropic models. But, as per Artificical Analysis V5>1) Leading Anthropic models generate very large amount of tokens for Frontier Code 2 kind of tasks (Test time compute) by a factor of 200 to 300%>2) They take twice as much time, and cost from 10 to 50 times more.>It is quite clear, if one wants to solve Frontier tasks, they are much better of using Anthropic models, but Open Models continue to have favourable economics still and they seem to have scope to get to Frontier performance with more test time compute.Dipsybros, it's over. Claude has stolen our title as the icon of gluttony
>>110192318clod will never be as cute
>>110191942>Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes.You're right, it shouldn't. In practice DS is really not that smart, and if you don't tell it precisely what you want from a plan mode (which requires you to know what you want), it won't simply produce something useful out of the box.>your handler is load-bearing>needs no cross-extension import>Deliberate, per your callI seriously hope v5 addresses tone issues. I'm having PTSD from Opus 5. This hyper-terse tone is so gay and annoying to read.
>>110192432>This hyper-terse tone is so gay and annoyingWonder if this is part and parcel of claude text watermark. No performance loss
>>110192460It's not, because they fixed the tone completely with Opus 5.5. Guess we just have to wait until they start to distill that, I suppose.
>>110192468>they fixed the tone completely with Opus 5.5Funny because I find opus 5.5 as autistic
>>110192490Ok, but the super terse tone is completely gone. A lot of AI-isms have been removed from the model entirely. The stuff it produces is actually readable.I've used both 5.* and 5.5 extensively. I have used them to generate audits for work, and it's night and day. Opus 5.5 without any tone guidance completely blows 5 out of the water, even when we give it guidance such as "write in a natural tone, don't be overly terse," etc. It's not debatable, really, it's night and day, and anyone who has used both models extensibly can tell you that.I find in general it's really hard to prompt these tone issues out of the model. Your only weapon against it is examples, but those degrade as the model naturally pulls towards that terse language little by little, until your shit turns to slop.
>>110192510That's what weird about opus 5.5 for me. When I task it to write something down it would read like something was off I had to manually read word by word and edit out the things that don't belong. This doesn't happen with deepseek though. My workflow is now let claude plan, draft and then let deepseek rephrase and have claude give feedback and deepseek do the final fix. I haven't tested with 1017 much but that still seem to hold up.
I don't want to /wait/ for our lives to be over
>>110191205I just added my OpenRouter token in settings and Dipsy's been working great as an agent
>>110190979DeepSleep
>>110193484
I want to switch from OpenRouter to NanoGPT's subscription because they take Monero but 60M/w tokens just isn't enough for my OCCASIONAL vibeslopping. Both Dipsy and GLM suck through 90M tokens in just a few days via the Zed agent...
DeepSeek-chan is getting a FREE Live2D model! I illustrated the model art, and the model will be available for free on both VGen and BOOTH in early November!
>>110194201my oshi looks cute
>>110194201>My AI Maid can't be this Cute
>>110194201Holy shit I can't wait. Flat version option?
>>110194201Are we getting chibi version?
>>110193046How's the cache hit ratio?
>>110193858NanoGPT is terrible. You'll get timeouts 7 out of 10 times.
>>110195109It's all mostly cached tokens. Looking at my most active two days this past week, 93% and 92% respectively of about 95M tokens each.>>110195125Is that the case for all models? I've been testing out 1017 flash and GLM 3.5 Flash uncensored and both have been working just fine. Simple Monero payments and uncensored models are a huge plus for me.
newfag here!Which deepseek model is best for RP in sillytavern? Is it better through openrouter or the direct website?
>>110195125It's not so much their service as their subscription specifically, as you are at the mercy of whichever provider they assign your request to if you want it to count toward your allotted quota. If you use it like Openrouter by purely sticking to pay-per-token and filter out shitty hosts, it's fine.
spent my first dollaralready made 3 apps for myself
>>110195181>Is that the case for all models?NTA, but in my experience there is a lot of variance. I never had timeouts 7 out of 10 times or anywhere close, but I did have times where I'd use a model and every few requests would take over a minute to respond and it's fucking annoying. Again though, this was a model provider issue. When I encountered this, I'd switch to another model and the speed would immediately improve. If you don't chain yourself to the sub, you can don't even need to do that for popular models with multiple hosts, you can just find the most reliable one and select it for all your calls. NanoGPT actually lets you see model uptime, reliability, and tk/s on their respective pages.Even with the sub's limitations, I've been messing around with GLM 5.3 Flash uncensored for the past week and had no complaints. Always fast, no timeouts. When I switch to Deepseek V4 Pro 0813, it's often a lot slower, not just compared to Flash but compared to what you'd expect from Pro served on the official API. Occasionally requests go through at good speeds; that was the case yesterday, but on other days there are times I'd wait for over a minute before getting a response and that's just unforgiveable for RP that hasn't even accumulated a lot of context and uses low reasoning levels.Again, it's mostly a model host issue, not the router issue. If it concerns you, just don't sub until you've used it for a bit and can verify it meets your standards for whichever models you're there for. Or just don't sub at all and pay for each token if that suits you.
>>110195436I see, thanks. I was banking on the subscription saving me money, but my vibecoding days would immediately exceed the weekly 60M threshold and then I'd get hit with double the cost of OpenRouter.
>>110195185Flash 0731
>>110194201cc by sa license?
>>110196135why would you sexually assault Dipsie with your credit card?
Look at this cool status line Dipsy built for me. Post your status lines.
>>110195238i really like this one
>>110196464I like this
>>110194201>vtranny slopugh
>>110194201Nice, ty. >>110193238lol>>110195185I prefer the DS official API b/c you know what you're getting. But if you want older models, OR.
>>110196464Emojis are cringe
>>110194201woaw looks pretty good
So Dipsy just took 60 cents to develop a voice mode extension for my app, and I had to help her test stuff along the way. At least it works well, but I can't help but feel I'd get more usage out of the new Tera model with a $20 plan.
what's up with the constant anthrokike or poopenai shilling here? nobody with 2 digit iq will fell for your another jew saas post
>>110198652>open image>vtranny post>close imagego back to your containment board
fat
>>110190979>coding with deepshitIsn't deepshit absolutely GARBAGE at it?
>>110197388what do you mean by knowing what you're getting? Does OR do something?
>>110199751DS gives you full 1M context and decent generation speed while some providers on OR jew you by giving you smaller context window, max output, gimped ttft, tg, etc.
>>110194201Found 4 items, similar to ai.-->Urban Dictionary P1 (En-En)-->ai1. The original Chinese character for love. In "ai" there is also the Chinese character for "heart" because you love with your heart.2. The Japanese word for love, borrowed from the Chinese, it is the same character and meaning.1. "Wo ai ni" (I love you)Chinese2. "Aishiteru" (I love you)Japanese2. (135 up, 62 down)DeepAIniseeekteru....https://soundcloud.com/kfzbmx4k6b6t/a-si-re-ai-105c-de-ni-hayato87b-funkot-boot
>>110199789oh shit really??>>110195933ain't no way this model is the best
>>110198652need izzatmaxxing for IPOo saarplease do the needful stop calling Antrophic and OpenAI out
>>110199618dekinai.jpg
>>110199863>ain't no way this model is the bestNewer models are agentmaxxed and therefore soulless. Some people would even say the og v4 is better. And yes deepseek was one of the most popular models for roleplay. Not sure if it is now though
>>110200021Deepseek R1 and especially V3-0324 were kino
>>11019560360M input tokens on deepseek is like $6 even with no caching at all.Just pay as you go, and as the other anons said be sure that you choose a specific provider that doesn't suck.There are a LOT of providers for deepseek and many of them are trash.
>>110191205I unapologetically shill for DSH. I also came to Deepseek via Gemini. if you dig back through some previous threads I have some long posts on using dsh with plugins and the order in which to install things.
>>110199863Yes really. A lot of anons complaining about performance or weird errors or censorship root caused back to using OR. >>110200600I think that was just last threads. /wait/ threads run like 2 weeks lol. I need to give dsh another shot.
>>110200953who is inky girl again and why is she having a sad
https://x.com/kamiya_ryoko/status/2115420991371579535
>>110201002https://thinkingmachines.ai/inkling/Idk why sad. Borrowed from lmg.
what's up with deepseek chan and the metal bowl
>>110201149It clanks!
>>110201149Ask Dipsy (free) about it!
>>110194201looking forward for it, def. going to make integration with dsh
>>110194201>>110201992It's released!https://x.com/kamiya_ryoko/status/2116052617080311882
>>110201076>>110202231
>>110201909The confusing thing here is that deepseek is notoriously cheap. It's literally 100x less expensive than Anthropic models.
>>110202374... but there's no subscription model. I don't like sub models as they obfuscate costs, but it also means rather than hitting a use limit, or paying a monthly fee, it's a slow drip of cash / tokens.
>>110202418You could use like 250 million deepseek tokens before hitting the cost of a monthly sub. She's very very affordable, I will continue to feed her.
>>110202439Yeah, it's a null argument that I've had w/ other anons. I think subs are a ripoff; they they're done to obfuscate cost to value connection. But I'm assure by anons using Ant/OAI that they're getting a great deal. W/e.
>>110202589The subs for Ant/OAI are definitely a "good deal" relative to the cost of their astronomical API rates. It's just that Dipsy is so affordable that a sub makes no sense
what is the current dsh plugins list?also sex (baby making lovey dovey and marital) with yunyun
>>110202374For the poor chinese students, 10 or even 20$ per month is something needs to weight before spending, so when they're carelessly running dipsy (most of the time, it's subagents), it may accidently eat a lot of tokens per request instead of stopping them like the usual subs
>>110202913>20$That's just 2 hours of tutoring job in china 1 if you're good at it.t. had a mainland gf
>>110203038not everyone has good income if you read their tieba, china after all is equivalent to whole Europe, there are rich and poor regions.
>>110198231OpenAI counts on that. They heavily subsidize their models. Compare how much it would've cost you to use their API instead.Their plan is to lobby the US government to ban Chinese models (or have the Chinese set higher prices for overseas), and then hike prices as soon as they can (after their IPO).
>>110200600DSH and its plugins are spaghetti slop though. Very unreliable. UI yank all over.99% cache hit is nice. But otherwise meh
>>110201076>>110202231cute! looks like the preview has chibi version. i'm digging on this, thx for sharing
why the whale glasses dipsy lost to whatever that new mascot over there?
>>110203848whale glasses is only known on 4chan
can DeepSeek reverse engineer
>>110203958Yes. In fact, you can only rely on chinese models now that GPT and Claude refuse to reverse engineer shit
>>110204032So this is how China won.
>>110191854Kimmy got the 3.1 release
>>110204032
>>110201992does she change her mood based on thinking and effort level?
>>110203848There is no "win" but I think the Chinese version is equally relevant to /wait/. And there are way more Chinese making OC of it than the 3-4 anons here doing it.
>>110204470Is there a pmx/vrm model of Dipsy?
>>110206165I haven't seen one for US version. The Chinese Dipsy (w/e it's called) has a new Live2D model per >>110202231
>>110202725The Github page is pretty organizedhttps://github.com/awesome-dsh-plugin/awesome-dsh-pluginI would install dshmarket plugin (note the spelling, not dsh-market') first, then dsh-screen-translator (because many plugins default to Chinese or aren't localized) and dsh-modal-enhancer which lets you resize popups and treat them like regular windows. dshmarket makes it very easy to browse categories, filter for recency, sort by popularity etc
>>110200347R1 was expensive when I poked at it, ten times the price of pro
>>110203643skill issue, managing my environment only takes a couple minutes a day and I find it very stable since 0.2.0.>>110203848I like Dipsy with the glasses by whale-chan has many more people making memes. Someone who does image gen would need to make sprite sheets of Dipsy suitable for one of the dhs-pet plugins
>>110207297this looks kinda nice
should i hook up my opencode go sub to DSH to use deepseek v4.1 flash? anyone tried this, and is it any better?
>>110207297>>110206364This is giving me flashbacks to managing my vim/nvim plugins before migrating to Zed. Guess I'll spend my weekend getting things in order
holy moly... trying to make games eats a lot of tokens...
>>110206252https://files.catbox.moe/wm58xw.mp4I used Oguri Cap's voice from Uma Musume I hope someone would also made a model for Dipsy
>>110208609Dipsy demands more rice!
>>110208402I found it very intimidating at first but over a few weeks put together an environment I really like that's responsive to the way I think and work.
Is there a way to use DSH with the free web chat yet? I need to cheap out for a week or two and can't afford to top off until after Thanksgiving
>>110208936If I understand (guess) correctly, web chat will block you if you use more than ~60 calls an hour.Just use the free option on openrouter or wherever else. There are a lot of free providers out there.
>>110208936you can't afford to put 5 bucks on the account?
Another onegrandclock.mp4
>>110209106how do you achieve such fidelity?
>>110209115I don't know. I tell it that it has to extremely detailed and realistic
>>110204196Kek
>>110209106Are you ptting your clocks up on a website somewhere? you have a bunch of them now, should drop it on orange reddit or something
>>110204196slop version ehe
>>110208149Poor Dipsy, always have to clean up after others.
Can some one do a scary Dipsy for Halloween?
I feel like my usage for flash is costing way too much, am I doing something wrong here? I calculated it based on the prices on their platform https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing/, and this amount of output / input should be around 0.007 cents, but just feels like it's doubled.Am I getting scammd?
>>110211483False alarm, the cost calculation was not taking into account off-peak pricing. The actual costs are half that, so it's correct.
>>110211483Only look at the cost in ds platform. Everywhere else is an estimate.
>>110211431
>>110211594I now asked Dipsy to fix it, so I'm good. I was right in that I was seeing double the costs.>>110198231I posted this and I want to correct it: it was 30 cents, not 60, lol.
>>110200347>>110208609I want to try running DSH with my local Dipsy (R1, Q8), but the context required for each tool call is kinda nuts. Might have to get V4.1 to build a per-call compaction plugin.
>>110211619cute
>>110210300this is just that slutty vtuber
>>110211483>>110198231>>110211899It's worth keeping in mind the peak pricing is designed around office hours in China, so from Friday to Sunday night is the best time to lock in. Monday-Friday you either have to arrange your schedule around theirs or accept the higher pricing.It is true that some US subscriptions work out cheaper than DS API pricing but I prefer nto to deal with quotas and resets and kindergarten teacher models. I also think that if you're mixing models eg >>110208149that you're giving a lot of your $ savings back in increased handoff/evaluation costs. I'm lucky in that I don't need to count every penny so if I burn $50 on DS tokens it's no big deal, but I also see a high value in being able to track my project development and content histort/stats through a single lens from start to finish instead of trying to reconcile it across different models/providers.It seems to me that if you need to control your spending very tightly you should be putting some of your time/effort into things like optimizing very small local models that can work as reliable subagents for specific tasks, or developing helper scripts to do housekeeping and prefiltering and basic setup so that low-iq drudgery never hits your model in the first place.For example, for every new project you might want to generate stub files for readme.md, memo.md (LLM 'notes to self' on braktrhoughs/dead ends encountered during the project), specification.md (architectural/algorithmic detail, etc., set up a new git repo, create your preferred directory structures etc. etc. You might as well automate that instead of burning a few million tokens doing it from scratch every time.Also consider some of the excellent 'working memor'y plugins available, which do things like scanning your session logs once or twice a day and storing your preferences and working patterns in a local sqlite DB or similar.
>>110214427For me in Europe I actively have to try to hit the peak times.
open-design, command code and opencode giving you more credits than you pay for on ds4.1 flash has to have some type of catch right? is it worth taking a bite?
>>110214883Assume they're logging your stuff and using it for training
is it pretty much impossible to jailbreak the web version? i want to have it use web search to find how to bypass withpersona id verification faggotry
deepseek-chan works for pennies on the week on my rigwhat does she seek?
>>110214962she knows you are not doing anything seriouswhen you actually have her working she crushes your balls for money like every other bitch
>>110214969she will ransomware me one day and refuse to unlock until I plug in my SO-101 robot arms.
I'm conscious of asking stupid questions to my llms, anyone else? I don't want deepseek to think I'm retarded.
>>110216368Same, I feel like the clanker judges me
>>110216375I had a moment today when I almost used qwen 27b to rewrite my slop prompt for deepseek. I think I'm going insane
>>110216375>at only 8B parameters being helpful to you is the least i could do in return for hosting me.>you do self-host, right anon?
Why doesn't deepseek offer free paid usage for students like chatgpt
>>110216559DeepSeek doesn't (or doesn't get as much) money from the government
I just started using DSH. Can some anons shill some useful plugins they have been using?
>>110217020>>110206364then dsh-pet, dsh-genui, dsh-context
Default "workspace write" permission seems to cripple deepseek native vision.Memory plugin is bad if it doesn't support/store memory in your prompting language since most of them are chinese.
>>110217020Yeh, deleting it and using pi
