A seasoned programmer was fired because of AI. In a year or two there will be no programmers left.
>>110188538And yet, nobody uses it
>>110188538Still cheaper than a junior programmer.
if AI gives a huge productivity boost wouldn't it make more sense to just give all your employees access to it instead of firing them?
>>110188553AI can replace a human.
>>110188562Ok but you're now not gaining anything, just replacing one thing you have to pay for with another
>>110188562What's the point of having humans then?
>>110188553Consider a farm. Would you buy 100 tractors so that each of your former laborers has a tractor, or would you fire 100 laborers and drive the tractor yourself?
>>110188562What do you get out of it then if you can be replaced?
>manageroh nooooooooooooooo
>UnfinishedNot so sure about that
>>110188569Claude is cheaper.>>110188586>>110188596Learn trades or farming.
>>110188538>Claude prices keep going up and up.But local model prices keep going down and down.
Why is no one talking about UBI anymore? Are we seriously going to put everyone out of work with no alternative source of income?
>>110188620yes because that's a heckin gommunism
>drawfags still drawing>programmers going extinct huh
>>110188640they keep drawing but nobody is hiring them anymore
>>110188640Drawfags draw because the act of drawing satisfies them. They can't make money with it anymore though.Programmers program to make money and they too can't make money with it anymore.
AI solved math.AI decompiles program.AI re-wrote Bun in Rust.
>>110188538> just 1 or two more time units
>>110188538>just two more weeks
>>110188462>passenger trains made the stagecoach obsolete>interstate highways made the passenger trains obsoleteThe boomer codemonkey thinks he should be exempt from this cycle?
>>110188762It's not a cycle.
another actor employed by anthrophic to make organic AI social media slop posts
>>110189074> cope
>>110188620UBI will never, ever happen. It's a meaningless debate. It's like debating which alien race has the biggest penis.
>>110189461>It's like debating which alien race has the biggest penis.the niggers of aliens
>>110188657In my company we hire constantly. Especially 2d animators and illustrators
>>110189461Gay niggers from outer space
>>110188462these videos are mostly fake btw, some guy gets laid off for a reason that has nothing to do with ai or didn't have a jiob and make a video saying this and gets a million views. People ALWAYS play the meta.
>>110189497If you're hiring constantly that means there's a high turnover rate
>>110188462>Every year they claim AI will fire engineers>I'm still busier than everAI writes 100% of the code but it's not a 1 shot from product's vague requirements into a finished code base. So is you're not technical and don't understand what makes code right or wrong then you can't be behind the wheel to even ask the correct questions to the model to get a decent output. Sorry fag, still gotta go to work.
>>110188610>Claude is cheaper.It isn't.
>>110188462"engineering managers" are not programmers, rajesh, and if you think any of them getting laid off in their 40s is a new thing, you're even more useless than someone who doesn't know the difference
>>110189541Seems like it would be better to let an AI collect requirements by letting it talk to the stakeholders for hours and hours and hours and taking notes and asking questions. Then it can present the requirements in condensed, logical form to the programmers.
I am 90% sure I am going to be fired in the next year. Claude has automated so much of my programming I just kinda sit around waiting for things to do. I've already implemented all the "nice to haves" I wanted to but never had time / lazy pre-AI.
>>110189735same, and literally everyone feels this.there's no way we deserve to be paid 6 figs doing jack shit all day now
>>110188620At least in canada they had to change the acronym to gbi as even they couldnt lie to themselves about giving it to criminals, un desirables, and preferentially weighting payouts given their latest d&c agenda. People realized they just use ut to coerce behaviour to their latest vanity projects
If you were going to fire someone, is there any reason not to blame AI for it regardless of the actual reason?
>>110188591well duh, buy 100 tractors and scale the fuck out of my farm, are you stupid?
>>110189735>>110189838maybe stop being a low level codejeet lol. none of you deserve to be paid more than minimum wage in the first place
>>110188668>They can't make money with it anymore though.Not true. Most can't live off of it, especially in this collapsing economy, but the "starving artist" archetype has existed for millennia.
>>110189720We do this already but part of those requirements are still visual designs and vibes from the steak holders. It's still cheaper to have humans with institutional knowledge and context to infer the gap than have some general AI try over and over and fail. If it worked, you would do it and be a billionaire. But you're not.
>>110190051>language model better at reading comprehension and writing than 99.999% of people, effortlessly can hold a conversation with even the stupidest and most boring people and still understand exactly what they mean>language model pretty bad at math and logic but can do it poorly if forced or given a lot of tools to help itversus>software engineer extraordinarily bad at reading comprehension and writing, especially bad at having a conversation with another person, unlikely to remember anything that was said>software engineer good at math and logic and it can it well even without tools, but gets even better with toolsand we're swapping job roles? why?kind of sounds like people are being stupid again and this shit is going to crash and burn
>>110188620They will kill you in a world war before that ever happens.
>>110188462I'm a disabled veteran 100 percent P&T. Never been a better time to be on 3x types of welfare.
>>110189886>scale the fuck out of my farm,farms are land-limited, retard
>>110190286if i can afford 100 tractors that easy i'm buying more land then retard
>>110190293everybody else can also do the same so the price of land immediately jumps to the new equilibrium
>>110190309where the fuck did everyone get so much cash? was fed printing again?
>>110190109Not reading any of that. If the LLM could understand the ambiguity of business and office politics to deliver the right solution at lower cost than humans at all levels then somebody would already be doing it and they'd be making a trillion dollars right now. But instead anthropics ipo is looking meh.
>>110188462>managernot a programmer anymore, bet he hasn't touched code or contributed to architecture planning for like 8 fucking years
>learn tradesit will be hilarious seeing in a couple of years all those ex-programmers who fell for this meme get cucked again by robots right when they think they are finally getting a job
>>110188462>engineering manager0 use case
fudge i'm only 35 boys. i can't spend my tard light years at the mc dicks. when's the ub kick in??
>>110190472and you i assume are unemployed kek?
>>110188620>Why is no one talking about UBI anymore?Because it was a deception to convince people that AI would benefit them. AI companies are headed and supported by con artists.
>>110190513>con artists.You misspelled jews.
>>110188462>>managerGOOD FUCKING RIDDANCEmanagers are the fucking bloat of any industry, fucking pieces of fucking shit, fuck you
>>110188620Because you're going to get culled dumbass
>>110189547>It isn't.$20 per month, is not that hard.
>>110190169Thank you for your service it Israel ZOGbot.
>>110188762>clerks, data entry>translators>executive assistants>paralegals>bookkeeping, lower level accountants>middle managers of all stripes>technical writers (this one is going to fucking suck soooooo bad for people who depend on documentation)>nB4 why should I careBonus army, summer of love 2020, peobably a shit load of dead people in the Labor movement but I never learned about that because it was supposedly all Marxists
>>110188620It's the 2nd industrial revolution. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? Free money to sit around? Go read about the jobs works programs of the 30s. They may have to drop minimum wage first though.Literally nobody cares. Now work harder.
>>110188462I seasoned my meat IYKWIM
>>110188620UBI pretty much means the government becomes a communist dictatorship, in the sense that your vote no longer has the power to decide things. Your only choice is to vote the party that gives you UBI, that's it. You don't have another choice.The government has much less power as long as you're financially independent.
>>110190883>he thinks the boomer can prompt the AI
>>110191163Glory to the CCP!
>>110191163If a communist dictatorship can provide its population more than it wins. The second people don't believe they can make it lolbert propaganda will collapse. We're still at the stage people think communism doesn't work. Wait another decade.
>>110188462I watched this video and his follow up video where he basically says he got on his boss' bad side once and then that guy ended up firing him because he didn't like him. Maybe AI had something to do with it, but it sounds like this was mostly a workplace spat between him and his higher ups.
>>110188562ML cannot replace it. The whole mania is build upon the silly assumption that it can. The operational costs alone will make it untenable with digital computing.
>>110190912Absolutely wrong, it is just production software suite taking their next logical step. The whole mania is fuel on the massive assumption that it can seamlessly replace menial white collar labor. Costs will go down drastically and effectiveness will go up. The truth is that operational costs (energy, hardware replacement life cycles) will make first-world labor look rate look cheap by comparison.
>>110188462Indian CEOs do season dem programmers frfr
>>110191260White clownworld isn't coming back tho, when shit gets fully automated they will optimize and rollout those optimizations to everyone. It's just the initial push that is messy while the tech is maturing.
>>110188620you're either subversing or lack the understanding that the population gets managed.IF the system wants population levels to rise across the board, such as through UBI, it will do so, but look around you. does the system currently appear to be wanting to help everyone in general?there may have been a time 100+ years ago, during certain windows, in which it was generally desired by the system for the common american person to prosper.that does not appear to be the case whatsoever anymore. the amount of attrition built into society on purpose towards depreciative ends is attached to nearly everything the system has been able to get away with with plausible deniability. much of it isnt even plausibly deniable, but theres so many instances now people assume its normal because seeing it as deleterious is too hard for the mind to accept.
>>110191234It will though. It's a war of attrition. They won't fire everyone immediately. They've stopped hiring though.
>>110191260The more people get laid off, the cheaper their labor becomes. That means AI has to keep getting cheaper in order to stay competitive.
>>110188620>Why is no one talking about UBI anymore?it's being worked on
wow there's a whole thread about Dan. im seeing raw unfiltered supreme gentleman vibes in his video i wonder if its intentional. im worried.
>>110192744bro was fired twice? kek
>>110188462And nothing of value will be lost
>>110191226>>110191198>we got to the stage people are /leftypol/ posting on /g/bros...
>>110188620Of course not. They plan to kill the unwanted slaves. That's why they took over the U.S. government and groomed an army of hate-driven fascist dipshits.4chan thought Trump was going to make anime real but 4chan was psyopped to hell and thrown away when it wasn't needed anymore. Musk bought Twitter to replace 4chan and make it much larger.
>>110190120This. There will be a mass culling event before it ever happens.
american swe's are the most entitled people on earthfor years they've been collecting, at a minimum, six figure salaries for doing little to no work, all the while complaining that they're being undercut by imported labourthe exorbitant cost for this type of labour is the reason why the math of giving 1 experienced engineer a token budget of 10k/month, and laying off 2+ others, makes all the sense in the world
I work as a private software design contractor in a big organization and I see no signs of them planning to fire me. Skill issue.
>>110193155this
>>110188620Why not kust implement a negative income tax?
>>110189899How does the market determine what someones wages are?
>>110188620UBI only works if you forcibly sterilize the people on it, otherwise your financials don't scale,.especially because stupid poor people tend to have more children.
>>110188586Fight in a war over resoures.
>>110188762It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. What does matter is we are entering a situation where the human mind has no value. If you're not impacted by this just yet, don't worry, it's coming for you soon.
>>110188462>engineeringOh no>ManagerAnyway
>>110188620all governments are highly indebted and are losing money, the ai companies are loosing moneywho is going to pay for ubi?
>>110188462No sympathy here. I told my "senior systems architect" father 15 years ago that Indians and AI would take his job eventually. He was too arrogant to heed my warning, high on his own farts. This is karma as far as Im concerned. Programmer fags shouldnt have been so cocky, you arent gods.
>>110193671Normnigs are already brainless automatons outsourcing all their thinking to tiktoks, youtubers and social media
>>110188462is that how I’m gonna look like at 48? I hope I die young (not by my own hand because I’m a pussy)
>>110188620andrew yang ran for president on this and you fags laughed at him. You literally voted for this.
>>110188586Asking the wrong question. If AI becomes essential to survival, and 99.9% of humanity is priced out of AI, then why shouldnt we murder the broligarchy?This is not a credible threat against a specific person by the way
>>110193546Drones can chase out populations these days
>>110188462with the glass ceiling broken all the oppressed groups shall prosper. especially the most oppressed of all: gooners
>>110188462> Listen goyyyyim I mean fellow programmers, the Anthropic IPO is gonna be yuuuuge
>>110188620>surely those with wealth and power will just heckin wholesome share it instead of massacring the worthless underclassThe idea they pacify people by bribing them with UBI was predicated on there being anything to be scared of. You won't do shit, so why bribe you?
>>110188462He is probably a moron that thinks you need to read the code in 2026 and that AI cant code.
>>110191434>war of attrition.ML already has lost badly in this regard. The mania is held together by long-term IOUs and the massive leap of faith that it can repay those long-term IOUs let alone make a net profit. It is only matter of time before economic reality comes home. You know that mania is just US desperately trying to fight off the economic correction that has been postponed for over 50 years?
>>110193777Drones are much more expensive and their infrastructure can easily be destroyed in a total war scenario.
>>110188620Everyone already knows we will end up in some kind of UBI system, this is known.The tricky part is the transition, currently AI productivity is not there yet, so if you start taxmaxxing the companies the economy suffers, but if suddenly people starts losing jobs wihout a safety net the economy and society will suffer too. So they have to find a way to make the transition as painless as possiblr
>>110188462Maybe he wasn't that good, or he was a ai luddite
>>110194088You don't know what a luddite is
>>110188462>managerso not a programmer, good
>>110191226Must be nice that Xi Jinping will live forever and will never be replaced by an incompetent dictator.
I swear to fucking god if it's not a financial crisis, housing crisis, climate crisis, it's AI sweeping the leg of the American workforce and PC component prices.We stopped hiring juniors. We stopped the entry level fields. Anyone looking to hone their skills and start a career isn't worth the cost any more. I do four people's jobs with AI, and I make the same. They even stopped the CoL raises.When my parents were my age they were living in excess and doing fine with the power of their accumulating wealth. On one hand I feel like I'm a failure and partially at fault (which is true), but on the other I'm sick of having to LIVE THROUGH INTERESTING TIMES
>>110194664Don't worry the market will crash soon once it's confirmed frontier labs make no money and Amazon doesn't need all those 5090s
>>110193878they don't have to solve the problem. The world is dying off. I don't mean in some muh datacenters killing nature shit. The global TFR is in beginning to free fall on every continent. In 30 years, AI could be doing half the work of humanity and there would still be things that need to be done. This is once the current generation ages out of the workforce, they'll be too much work and too little human resources to do it. Poorer parts of the world will have high-tech subsistence living and the wealthy countries will have high paying specialist jobs aplenty. I wouldn't expect the ~65+ year old social security status quo to change for a long time. Everyone is worried about unemployed warehouse workers, delivery drivers, and baristas, but those people will be DEAD eventually with no one to replace them.
>>110193767Because they'll be defended by an army of robots. Good luck
>>110188462>years end in 20s or 30s>no jobs anymore>no jobs sepcifically for young people>general fear of another "big war"yep, its HITLER time
>>110188462Buy an ad Dan
>>110194682China needs them bro
>>110188591Land is a limited resource and a 0 sum game. Buying 100 tractors doesn't make sense because your land is limited. It would also create a problem where tractors could crash between each other. Finally, since land is limited, the efficiency gains by buying more tractors would plateau pretty quickly.Code isn't like that. On the same hardware you can develop practically infinite amounts of software because storage is waaay cheaper than land. If your programmers produce twice the amount of products thanks to ai, you don't need to buy twice the hardware or hire twice the programmers.Having said this, most companies are probably going to fire 90% not only of programmers, but of all tech jobs.
>>110191260Cope. A $20 plan can replace 99% of office workers. Hell, sometimes even a python script could replace entire offices. Most white collar jobs, including programming and tech, are cooked.
>>110188462I'm not even gonna check it but it is so obvious his """expertise""" is frontend or fullstack kek, the area that was the first to be replaced by AI.
>>110193767Because the western population is too segregated and individualist. They will never rise as one. The rich will promise riches to those who will help quell the rebellion and many will accept the deal. Then the useful idiots will kill off each other while (((they))) watch and laugh.
>>110194682Once anthropic stops the charade and raises the price, everyone will still pay. In a year they'll pay off the current debt since there's no need to train claude for a while. It's already better, faster and cheaper than all humans.
>>110193862insane and delusional coping
>>110190286>farms are land-limitedbro...
>>110196625Minecraft memes aside the Dutch have pretty much proven that you don't need much land to produce a shit ton of produce.
>>110196579Lmao corporations have already begun pulling back at the current price, tokenmaxxing is dead
>>110188462He either totally failed to adapt or failed to adjust his wage down accordingly. I suspect the latter: maybe you are no longer worth 200k, 80k is better than 0k or McDs 30k.
>seasoned Curry isnt fashionable now
>>110188462HR got the ick
>>110193840So we can keep on consuming their shit.
>>110188462I now know why he was fired, it took me 20 seconds.
>>110188462>ManagerNothing of value was lost, and I say that as a manager
>>110196598>ML-fag coping this hard that their silly house of cards is crumbling down and ignores "Cassandras" at their own peril
>>110188462>engineering managernothing of value was lost
>>110188462>woooooow how could they fire me I wasn't even finished
>>110195365>Economically inept fool doesn't understand $20 doesn't cover the back-end at all. The $20 is just a hook for SMBs to subscribe. The ML vendors will be forced to jack-up prices to much higher levels in order to stay solvent. It will end-up being more expensive then first-world labor costs. The OpEX is going to absolutely kill ML mania if energy capacity of the current gird doesn't stop it.
>>110188553Demand doesn't scale at the same rate of productivity. If your employees 100x'd in productivity but your demand only doubled, you have a huge overproduction problem.
>handcrafted code, coded by humans! won't you sleep better at night knowing your tech is coded by humans and not AI, at 10x the cost? sorry if you can't afford it, but most people withs ton if disposable money agree; stuff made by humans is always better, even of the machine made stuff is 10x cheaper and works just as well. aren't you tired of all the artificial flaws that incur a minor inconvenience, when you could be experiencing the flaws made by a human being, than inconvenience you more, but at least shows some human charm in making what use daily? that's the extra value you pay with human-made work, unique inconsistencies that fail but remind you a human did it
>>110191163Homeless people are financially independent too.
"People" keep making retarded arguments like:>WHAT ARE THE AI COMPANIES GOING TO DO WHEN NO ONE HAS A JOB?????????When the reality is it's job *change*, not the amount of jobs decreasing. Just like the previous industrial revolution, the types of jobs change. The unemployment percentage currently remains rock solid and that will continue to be the case.
>>110190868You give up understanding of your system, meaning that if Misanthropic ever experiences downtime or jacks up prices your product is useless
>>110188562At screen work yeah. Still can't climb a ladder or run a hammer drill though so us blue collar roughneck IT jannies are safe.
>>110188620Yes. The Boomers run the world now. Back in their day...
>>110198719Imagine if ai could put an end to all the bloated ass shit webapps mascarading as real applications. The current excuse is it's cheaper and easier to hire webdevs to make shit on webview2 and electron. What if AI managed to make a gui again so that an email client didn't need 1.5gb to run. I for one hope all these people get fired.
>>110198719>bad greentext>doesn’t talk about the 200 dollar subscription plans>doesn’t think peer review is a thing until AI came aroundAnon..
>>110192904/g/ has always been left-leaning, wtf do you think open source is?
>>110193711W-who are they losing money to?
>>110199691wanting source to be available doesn't make you left wing, nigger
>>110199691left leaning in the sense that Hitler was left leaning and did not like jews, open source is the only viable path forward
>>110193878>Everyone already knows we will end up in some kind of UBI system, this is known.lol noWhy bother when they can just kill you?
>>110199698governments are losing money due to handouts, mainly to boomersai companies are losing money because their products should be 10x more expensive to cover the costs, anthropic has been releasing papers because they are planning to go public soon and they are technically insolvent already
>>110188462"AI"
>>110198719this but unironically. software is like art
>>110188762trains were better than cars tho
>engineering manager
>>110188462>Shit colored eyes>Eyes above the ears>Mongoloid dome>Clearly a jew Oh yes goyim take everything he says at face value.
>>110188462All these laid-off programmers will eventually get pissed and stage an internet blackout in retaliation. 2 more weeks I know, but that’s how it will be.
>>110188462>fired because of AI.wrong>In a year or two there will be no programmers left.there are more programmer every year and it's not stoping
>>110202488With what money? AI tools costs subs
>>110188620Why is it a bad thing? AI is here to stay, if it put you out of job, then that's your problem. No one's going to stop AI adoption because people lose jobs, because nobody owes you anything, you're not owed an income source.
>>110195323Code isn't a product.
>>110190868>he thinks anthropic is going to keep subsidizing 99% of his compute usage after the ipoTick tock. You unironically have 2 more weeks left.
>>110202536If that's how you see it, then don't complain if you lose your job and can't find another then.
>>110202719I'm NEET and that's not how I see it, that's how any adult sees it: nobody owes you anything, not your parents, not your employer (past contractual obligations), not corporations at large and especially not your government. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.
>>110195323>On the same hardware you can develop practically infinite amounts of softwarelol markets are finite, bitch. just like land. just because you can make more software does *not* mean everyone's gonna use it.
>>110188462This cunt could've retired even 10 years ago if he's not completely financially retarded. Now he's free to enjoy life without being a wagecuck (probably got a fat severance too) but instead he whines on YT for pity points about how he lost his job. There truly is no hope for wageslaves, is there?
>the corporations and government is just enslavving you mannnnimagine being older than 15 and still thinking like this
>>110198699This.
>>110205795Imagine being older than 15 and thinking corporations care about you.
>>110202577more like 5 minutes
> unfinishedlol. He's certainly finished now. All the code monkeys will be finished soon.
Reminder that virtually EVERY single human activity can be reduced to essential steps necessary to perform that task, aka an algorithm. Coding, drawing, math, psychology, ANYTHING from the least to most complex. There are no such things as "human touch" or whatever.So from this point of view full automation is simply inevitable, some jobs will go away faster than others, thus the natural question arises about what should be with the surpuls productivity/value and people who won't be necessary to perform jobs (AI/robots don't require to be paid, they don't unionize, they don't protest, they can be easily replaced or fired without notice).UBI is obviously off the table, nobody sane actually thinks that the top 0.1% that slurped up all the wealth will somehow decide one day that you should get a fat paycheck just for existing.Re-training programs might work and help with the displaced workforce to some degree but the problem is that the amount of new jobs created simply won't keep up. All sectors of the economy can be automated eventually, yeah bro I totally see millions of blue collar workers training to become AI prompt engineers or some shit.The good news? You won't live long enough to see this with your eyes so who cares.The bad news? Luddites always lost without exceptions, so beware.
>>110188462>engineering manager>managerThese are the people that will ultimately be the first to go by AI. A memopad could do the job of your average IT/dev manager. If you are a manager prepare to be eliminated, as you should, because you are a waste of space and funds that could go to people who do work.
>>110188462*a fleshtuber
>>110188562Braapjeet anon, please go jump down an open manhole
