>>110180168
advertisers really need to know ur not a bot!!!!

those different meanings under the same name

> In contrast, federal US regulation historically approaches child online safety through data privacy constraints and consent mandates, exemplified by the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA). Rather than restructuring product mechanics across multiple age tiers, US standards traditionally rely on a single age threshold of 13, requiring platforms to secure verifiable parental consent before collecting personal data or targeting children. While emerging proposals like the US KIDS Act and the Kids Online Safety Act (KOSA) aim to limit algorithmic recommendations for minors up to age 16, US federal policy remains primarily focused on data collection limits, balancing safety rules against First Amendment protections and platform standard-of-knowledge requirements.

digi-tards would probably re-locate to US and EU would keep running their sharia internetus

>>110180168
>why are we not talking about the actual important things, huh? Is there anybody here that still gives a shit about freedom and privacy in computing?

Because when you say "freedom", that "freedom" comes at the cost of children's safety. That's not a freedom I want.

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>>110180312
>nooooo aaaaah my kids has seen a couple of boobs online aaaaaaah take down the whole interweb think about da children
Get out of here.

>>110180312
The implemented id verification never actually stops kids. Just inconveniences adults.

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>>110180168
Not much to do apart from either hoarding as much of the stuff that you like, or just suicide since this will all pass no matter what and you're better off not seeing the future aka hell on earth

>>110180168
Fuck off pedo

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>>110180168
Go fuck yourself.

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>>110180489
What does it matter to hoard it if I won't be able to share it and one day when my drives will fail it'll all be lost?
>>110180701
I wanted the opposite fo this though.

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>>110180168
Thank god I don't use mainstream social media.

>>110180892
this

>>110180892
>>110180915
Problem with that is that this doesn't just affect social media, it affects any operating system, application or web service, no matter the size, if you don't verify yourself you will be automatically categorized as a minor and get at restricted experience.
This will definitely kill 4chan, funnily enough the big tech platform like social media will have all the tools to comply with the regulations, most of it is already implemented, it will be the medium and small websites and projects that will be fucked over the most, no more anonimity for you either.

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>>110180955
What's stopping me from making a website that doesn't comply with their regulations? What, are they going to aggressively take me down?
Better prepare for a whole new influx of people coming over to the dark web then!

>>110180955
the legal famework to even begin to try to enforce any of this this has more holes than swiss cheese. the focus will be on the big players in tech/social media because they have the biggest money and liability painted on their backs. it will get tied up in years of lawsuits and injunctions from every litigator under the sun, and the little guy will continue to ride in the margins just like is already happening with state age laws, just like is going on several decades with music industry kikes and dmca, just like what happened in prohibition, just like what happened in fucking roman sumptuary laws. we love to signal civic virtues while leaving the root behavior unaddressed and impossible to enforce because there's one public servant shaneequa for every thousand violators and she's more interested in doing her nails that morning than writing up a bad goy rap sheet for you specifically.
and no I am not anonymous but it literally doesn't matter, my ssn dob name address credit history are all out there and leaked and nobody cares. my isp is more than happy to take my money and shut the fuck up.
nothing ever happens

>>110181001
In the end we don't know what the enforcement will be, but yeah basically you would be violating the law, for all we know they might identify who own the server and raid your home at 6AM for "endangering the children" or whatever, they can already do this, police already has dedicated units that do this for cp, they just have to scale up, just like they did with antidrug when they started the war on drugs for example.
>new influx of people coming over to the dark web then
That might be a possible outcome, assuming overlay networks like Tor and I2P hold against attacks and assuming people do switch to them instead of just complying and verifying themselves and moving on with their day.

>>110181051
>police already has dedicated units that do this for cp
retard
the police couldn't care less what chinese cartoons you've installed on your pc
they only perform a search of your devices if they are already suspicious of you and want to find something to arrest you with

there are 340 million people in the US, do you seriously think you are of ANY importance

>>110181096
>immigrant controll police have a separate department (ICE)
>cp doesn't
?????

>>110180382
Just like how children can buy alcohol and cigarettes, right? Oh wait, they can't.

Because we have ID verification.

>>110181140
I'm just saying, you aren't going to jail because of something you downloaded

>>110181001
No they'll just raid your apartment, conveniently find CP which conveniently gets leaked to the press and even if technically, legally nothing ever happens to you you're still finished for all eternity.
>They'd never do that!
They already did, it's called Zersetzung, invented and perfected by the Germans, copied by the USSR and later China.

>>110181232
that sounds a bit too ambitious to do for every single site that doesn't comply

>>110181096
it's not even the US, it's the entire world. platforms have to sift through thousands of incidents per day from shitskin pedo retards, all they do now is bring down their banhammer and file away some form into a mountain of law enforcement reports that nobody has time or resources to even make a dent into. the teams that actually have some amount of agency to effect change look for the biggest fish to try and justify their dwindling budgets.

>>110181140
ice with its billions of dollars of funding can't even be bothered to bag my illegal immigrant gardener who comes bimonthly to collect the cash I leave out for him in a lockbox. I live miles from the mexican border in the zone that grants CBP exceptions for warrantless searches under the 4th amendment, with one of the highest concentrations of state and federal immigration and border enforcement in the entire country. and they still don't get the brown guy with no papers that wakes the neighborhood mowing my lawn at 8 in the morning.

government is completely inept, stop attributing some completely unearned hyper competence to them. it's all a matter of who in power you piss off.

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>>110181096
The police does it all the time, look up bodycam videos on youtube all kinds of cases of people raided for no-no stuff they did on their computers, they just have to scale it up, and they will do.

>>110181232
europe isnt a dictatorism. its a globohomi shit. they wont do shit.

>>110181311
I am not a burger but I can tell bullshit, police LOVES to go at the small guy that can't defend themselve and HATES going against the big guys that are organized and have connections, it's the same everywhere in the world.
This will go like war on drugs, you will be sent to prison for hosting a forum without age verification systems, meanwhile the big guys like Meta or X will setup those systems and collaborate or bribe the authorities.

>>110181254
What makes you think they need to punish everyone? All the DDR had to do was punish a few and make it high profile, the rest fall in line. Trust me you're no different.
>>110181273
Yeah thank god that democracy is just a law of nature and nothing ever changes, especially in Europe an infamously peace loving and pacifistic continent. Don't look at who's leading the polls in France, Germany and Sweden right now. Nothing to see here it's going to be neoliberalism forever and everyone will clap for Von der Leyen.

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>>110180168
AI is also important in these talks

why does after 2024 /g/ sucks ? especially after "the hack" and "ai boom"

>>110181442
i wouldn't know I'm only here since 2025

>>110180312
>i dont like kids having freedom because my kids are accessing the internet, and the internet is internetting

if only parents did the bare fucking minimum and actually took responsibility for their own kids and routers.

but instead of taking five minutes to look up how to configure a blocklist, they just demand laws to make platforms babysit their fucking kids for them.

lazy shitheads would rather change the internet for the rest of us than just do it themselves

>>110181584
figures

>>110181442
>ban the only people that ever released any software
>discourage effort posting while encouraging derailing and the lowest quality threads imaginable
>calling rule enforcement arbitrary would be insulting to actually arbitrarily enforced rules
>every "update" is just making the captcha even worse further discouraging anyone but the mentally ill from posting
A mystery why people moved on and didn't come back. Only reason I browse /g/ anymore is to see the decay, /trash/ has higher quality threads.

>>110181631
>I browse /g/ anymore is to see the decay
you are so brave anon, i can't do that just taking a look at /g/ at it's current state pains me so much and what makes it harder on me is remembering the xp leak somehow comfy days.

>>110181647
The first time you shitpost here only to see some cretin on shitter screenshot it and repost it only to then again see the screenshot of the tweet of the screenshot of the shitpost you made a day ago post on /g/ you just stop caring for good. We finally got an ouroboros shame it's just an endless cycle of shit.

>>110181631
saar just because you were banned once for autistically derailing that thread doesn't mean they ban everyone

>>110181778
>haha I used le meme do I fit in now guys?
Perfect example of the trash I'm talking about.

>>110181789
That's because it's funny. Cry about it

>>110181826
Is that what your daddy tells you before he hits you? That was the worst """"joke"""" I've ever seen. Well second worst joke after your existence I guess. Hope he beats you even harder today for your piss poor performance faggot.

>>110181843
don't question (maybe?) s()yteen humor

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>>110180168
I'm learning to not care because the people who piss and moan about any type of account, or hell even being forced use a modern web browser are legitimately mentally ill.

I used to be muh privacy advocate until I grew up and realized the people proclaiming their ID is so precious they wouldn't upload it anywhere, just don't live in the real world. On top of their general behavior.

>>110181843
what made you so mad today?

>KIDS Act
How will the Midterms affect the chances of this passing? I know Rand Paul blocked KOSA.

>>110181878
Timmy you didn't suddenly "grow up" because you turned 13.

>>110181778
>>110182125
Kek I love these kinds of posts

>>110181333
I am a burger and this is exactly why I hate glowies. ACAB. They could end the whole child abuse problem by the Epstein Class tomorrow if they wanted to but that's too hard so instead they go after the lowest hanging fruit while committing the very same crimes they accuse their catches of doing in the process.

>>110180168
>whose purpose is to make it impossible to use any computer which runs an operating system or any website or other internet service without identifying yourself by using either a document or a government app

First of all, EU Kids act does not literally require you to identify yourself to anyone, in fact it specifies zero-knowledge proofs as a necessity for whichever age verification implementation gets approved.
The EU digital identity wallet runs an open source, zero-knowledge proof token generator to maximize privacy.
The government can't know what you're using your token for, the website can't trace who issued the token. They've implemented plenty of measures to make it theoretically impossible to fingerprint you.

This process is very benign compared to what websites usually require you to do, e.g. uploading a picture of your face or ID. In fact, it's telling websites like X.com that they're not allowed to age-proof their content with methods that compromise someone's anonymity.
Ironically enough, KIDS Act enforces privacy.

Secondly, in the case that the law passes through parliament, it will see several major revisions that would very likely make concessions for specific types of software, including non-commercial distros.

All that said, you can still criticize the regulation for a myriad of reasons other than what is stated above.
However, you (and many others) are arguing from a poor premise, so let's get that straight.

>>110180379
Kids watching pornography is just convenient collateral.
The EU KIDS act primarily addresses access to social media by children, so the fear porn (pun unintended) here is moreso about social media addiction, grooming and political extremism among youth than literal porn.

>>110180955
Repos are exempt.
Offline games are exempt.
Steam will do the heavily lifting for developers, so online games are safe.

>>110181878
>>110182393
only two people in this thread to have common sense

>>110180168
>Is there anybody here that still gives a shit about freedom and privacy in computing?
i do. ditching windows for linux or something else soon

what's op image?

>>110184659
pragmata

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>>110184659
Diana from Pragmata, play her game it's good.

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>>110198359

I honestly don't know what I could do. I'm from Finland (EU country) and our politicians who are part of the EU parliament, almost all of them vote for these fucking kike proposals. So what the fuck can I do except cast my vote when we vote?

>>110181878
You'll start caring once the database containing your ID gets leaked and some jeet uses it for fraud or for getting a loan.

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>>110191478 >>110208205

How did we go from banning underage toddlers from even reading this website to making everything online safe for retards who don't even know what a folder is?

>>110181201
Just like how children can buy alcohol and cigarettes, right? Oh wait, they can't.
They can. Just not in an official place where you'd need an ID.

>>110181201
>Oh wait, they can't.
>He really believes this
You need to be force sterilized and have all active and passive voting rights stripped.

My most traumatic sexual experience is being forced by my biology teacher to explain anatomy of a vagina in front of the entire class.

>>110181201
Actually they still buy them all the time. I was one of them when I was their age! In 1 second they adapt to all the work arounds which is why you still see highschoolers getting cigarettes and alcohol from stores that ID you, and flooding online websites that have age verification.

>>110185200
Unless you want to be a hermit with no job and even no neetbux, your ID is going into a database somewhere, even if you've only ever presented it offline where someone likely scanned it.
An ID isn't usually sufficient anyway for trying to defraud someone. Without you physically present it's not very high value because the whole idea is you are there to physically match what's on the ID.

That's how an I9 is dealt with and every other time I had to present an ID you also had to take a live selfie. That's a yearly thing at my current job that ID has to be verified every year.

>>110185869
>where someone likely scanned it
Is lying pathological for you or is that just a property inherent to your species?

>>110185772
I'm not to sure about the anatomy of a vagina. Care to explain?

>>110185886
So you are saying not a single soul has ever had their ID scanned even when presented physically?
Something I did for a fling was setting up scanners where 99% of their job was scanning driver's licenses and other IDs to go into Epic. (Not that /g/ probably knows what the hell that is)

Every time someone gets a copy of an ID do you really think it's just for a physical copy to only go into a filing cabin and never leave? Nope that's also being preserved digitally.

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>>110180168
The site is full of undisclosed advertisers promoting aislop everywhere and election tourists who probably unironically think laws like this are good things, so of course few people are left that care about freedom. Most people who care about freedom hen libertarianism got chased out and ostracized from 4chan and replaced with this bizarre hybrid of nunazism and conservatism with a lust for being a salve to an authoritarian regime.

I can tell before even looking at a single reply post that this thread is going to have multiple people in it claiming the KIDS act is a good thing that only pedophile rapist serial killer communist trannies would oppose and using the presence of an anime image on 4chan as proof positive of their inane claims.

>>110186113
This is the more the consequence of terminal contrarianism (which only attracts increasingly lower IQ specimens) than it really is political.
Also anyone that fought for freedom in the 2000s and 2010s saw how this would end and decided to save themselves rather than keep fighting for a """people""" that want to be slaves.

>>110186127
Funny you'd say that because anyone who believes in freedom is a cattle first on the chopping block while people who don't give a fuck are truly free.

>>110185869
>>110186068
>scanning IDs to go into Epic
Might be normal in burgerland but as a euro I've never needed to have my ID scanned by anyone. Why would that ever be necessary?

>>110186154 (You)
Prime example of one of those terminal contrarians, I reckon.

>>110186263
Only contrarians sperg about freedom.

>>110180168
The US/EU KIDS acts are basically using "think of the children" as a "smokescreen" to undermine privacy and freedom of expression online. It doesn't help that bad parenting is rampant with parents sticking their kids in front of a computer and calling it done.
I wasn't any different from iPad kids. But in my defense the neighborhood I grew up in as a kid didn't have any boys my age to play games with. The only one was an exception and he was periodically dropped off at his grandmother's house which was in my neighborhood.
It sucked.
You'd think that iPad raised kids effects would have been studied and signs of it have been clearly documented. I probably share some effects of it.

With that being said I think privacy and criminal activity has always been in an awful tug of war with normal harmless people always losing in the end. It has just shifted to the cyberspace "battleground" instead. So it was inevitable that the US/EU KIDS acts would come. I'm surprised it hasn't come sooner but maybe AI has something to do with it happening sooner now.

>AI this
>AI that
I've seen this pattern of "x this x that" speech. What is it? A new slang term among the kids?

>>https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB11465/LSB11465.1.pdf
>Shielding Children’s Retinas from Egregious Exposure on the Net (SCREEN) Act
The clowngressmen are having fun with their acronyms, kek

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>>110186113
>got chased out
Where did they go? Cause I want out too.

>>110182393
Well, the US act says nothing of the kind. Right when everything is getting spammed with AI-discovered zero-days, too. We live in deep-fried hell.

>>110180296
...did you not read the other link in the post?

>>110180168
THANK YOU. We need to make a SOPA/PIPA style ruckus about this or it's unironically Over. ASAP. Get all the energy that drew Wumpus torture gore and focus it on the legislation that caused Discord to do this.

>>110187524
Small mercies: that got vetoed by every Democrat on the relevant congressional committee. As long as we don't get a filibuster-proof GOP majority (lolno), it's dead, unless it's traded for something else.

>>110180489
All I can do at this point is pray, I guess...

It's utterly sad that such mobilization was done for SOPA and PIPA and Net Neutrality, but not against these "Diddy" DID laws.

>>110180747
Maybe the "Sneakernet" or illicit P2P systems like I2P? Maybe Tor, but that's not P2P and thus depends on vulnerable infrastructure far more...

>>110185836
You'll just have straw purchases. Every iPad baby will stay an iPad baby, the parents will just use their own verification. All this does is kill anonymity.

>>110186113
What did you think Eternal September meant? Vibes? Essays? Papers? Losers.

>>110186209
IDs in the US are the primary way you have to do most any official business with the state (individual state, not federal). It's also how businesses ID you, Epic is an electronic health record system and ID is just one of documents needed to deal with Medicaid and heath insurance.

Every time you get a job there is a form called the I9 used to identify that you are a US citizen or are authorized to work. IDs are also kept in record when doing background checks.
These used to be done physically but they are all digital now so an ID is likely stored somewhere.

I'm more fascinated as to why it seems controversial that an ID is presented and might kept somewhere, in the US it's pretty normal and understood that an ID itself while unpleasant to be leaked, is of little consequence and presents not much more info than if you used a real name and address to buy something on Amazon.

Your SSN/TIN is where real consequences are but that's only ever presented seldomly relating to tax or income.

Gemma Pregmata.

>>110190141
>the most mind raped populace on earth can't comprehend why people don't want to be cattle

>>110190141
The other issue is also having your posts, and what is algorithmically fed to you (or hidden from you) tied to your IRL ID with no possible recourse. Just wait for Woke 3, or until social media companies start deliberately constructing false realities for certain people (anyone in contact with any Congressman or Senator of a certain party, for example) or by gender, ethnicity, and so on.

This is not just about ID leaks for identity theft, or even merely doxxing. This is a danger even to powerful figures, both via blackmail and the construction of falsified realities.

And also doxxing, cancel culture, leaks, and so on. It literally accomplishes everything but getting kids off devices (as parents will just scan themselves into their iPads lol).

>>110190498
Unless you want to argue it's just boiling the frog slowly, most companies are literally trying to avoid having to use IDs at all. It would make sense that they also have very little to no intention that if they did use an ID that it would be linked to actual account content.

>>110190562
If you're forced to provide the data, they can't be held liable (as much). Bought-off AGs will force them to retain it to "check compliance", see that suit where Paxton claimed that because ChatGPT was harvesting and using too much data, that they should be forced to ID every user of it in Texas. Because that makes sense.

And of course, if you give it, they will use it. In theory, something like the EUDI may work, but there will ofc be backdoors and hacks (EUDI's prototype was already hacked IIRC). The US, ofc, will have nothing like that for years (I think I saw something similar being touted by the FCC as a prototype, but a very early one).

Part of it is "Lemons out of Lemonade", particularly for real-name-focused incumbents like Meta, to try to steer this moral panic in a way that benefits them and harms or kills their rivals (e.g. Reddit or Xitter or YouTube).

There needs to be more of a visible public backlash, like with SOPA/PIPA, or this is the way it'll go. Courts are still filled with Boomers and Xoomers for whom social media is Facebook and Instagram; doxxing is a given.

So all I can do is pray, for I do not have the courage, following, or skills to affect this myself.

That, and suggest a course of action to others who may carry this forward.

>>110191046
...to say nothing of children themselves; we'll be back to square one with parents being permissive using their own IDs, as kids are not allowed to go outside on their own as they were before the digital age, and this will not be changed.

We live in a hell of our own making, a jail, and these scum want to add chainmail-reinforced glass to the windows, to choke out the fresh air; and this goes for the kids first and foremost. Unthinkingly sleepwalking off a cliff.

May God strike them down, one way or another. There's a reason Talarico is overperforming, despite being a contender for the Wokest Person in Texas.

Child Wife.

>>110191111
"What a bunch of Malarkey."
- Joe Biden

>>110191095
The gov doesn't even care about the children in their care. I've seen with my very own eyes what comes out of institutionalized foster homes. They're damaged beyound repair when they hit 18 and let loose into soiciety if they haven't suicided before.

>>110191162
Truth. *emphatic cough*

All we have is the blind march of goycattle, turning one of the greatest achievements of human history into its largest prison; the Tower of Babel as a dungeon of doxxing. They never cared about the children; but they like to think they do, insofar as they are capable of thought (not very).

They feel they must grasp this and Do Something, and a coiterie of huckster lobbyists come to town...

>>110185533
>relatively high effort shop
>gets the book around backwards (front and back are on the wrong side)
one job

>>110185200
...to say nothing of DID "Diddy Laws" requiring all those bots on social media to come with fake IDs, massively increasing the demand (and thus incentivizing the supply) of stolen IDs to make accounts.

What previously could be done with a bot farm of phones now must be done with stolen IDs, tying their slop to unfortunate victims of leaks.

All of those low-hanging caches of IDs waiting to be picked will be used to fake IDs on other social media platforms, a demand created exclusively as a result of these laws.

>>110191478
Newsom is dyslexic, right? Might be a joke based on that (though it's likely just an error on behalf of the meme's maker).

>>110191676
my guess is the maker just isn't into japanese stuff enough to know japanese books have their spine on the other side, it is pretty unusual to westerners

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>>110191676
>>110191687
lol, i'm watching a did you know gaming? video just now and they made the same mistake. /they/ should know better though, since they cover japanese stuff all the time

>>110191478
>>110191687
>>110191859
I also am forced to note that said picture is an edit of Newsom (larping as) reading English-language "banned books", it's easier to slap an alternate book spine on it than edit in a stack of pages to emulate a Japanese book.

It may not necessarily be ignorance or a sly joke about Newsom...

>>110191965
all the editor had to do was put the front page on the left side of the book he's holding and the back on the right, and flip the images on the ones in the stack upside down. exactly the same amount of effort

>>110191999
That would probably kill any autotranslation attempts if someone wanted to explain the joke?

I see your point, though...

FUCK KIDS

>>110192253
Do you mean FucKKK the KKKidSS AKKKT?

Learn MaoiSSt SStandard EngliSSh!

>>110180892
>>110181001
Good luck hosting anything with the US or EU (or both) knocking down your door and C&Ding every level of infrastructure you use.

>>110192435

Did I stutter

>>110194030
Maybe you SSHHould be, SSettler.

Back on the topic of the thread, I'm surprised nobody's made an "age verification card" wherein you are forced to be 18 or over to buy it in a store and inputting it proves so digitally, and you just buy one for a few dollars each time you need to verify something.

Or even turned preexisting App Store/Google Play cards into this.

>>110181333
see >>110191046

>>110186113
Many such cases. Cattle being herded off a cliff, these ungrateful, unthinking beasts. They're not even cattle, that's an undue insult to cattle; I must apologize to cattle.

>>110189539
>AI-discovered zero-days, too. We live in deep-fried hell.
bahahaha there are people so retarded they believe hype/fear marketing campaigns AHAHAHAHAHA

>>110194707
I mean, such things can be used to shut down said forums. Certainly, a lot of the forums I lurk themselves seemed to believe it and scrambled to update.

The marketing campaign is the doom against open-source models (despite them being defensive against such things, as with Hugging Face.)

>>110193986
In this situation you need to shoot the police

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>>110181878
>You know, I used to care about x too but some people got so pissy and moany that i have no choice but to not care anymore.
>Besides, if you don't do Y you're schizophrenic anyways just like x advocates

>>110194776
The forum still dies, so taking a few cops with you doesn't solve the death of freedom. There are a lot more cops than imageboards or XenForo forums to enforce these diddy laws.

>>110194935
"Low IQ Antisemitism" Landshark Style, slathered upon literally everything else.

>>110191483
Combine this with AI-enabled zero days, and we have a total disaster in the making...

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>>110194935
>bro just give up it's all over anyways and if it isn't then you're a pedo if you don't

>>110196039
t. Epstein's Best Buddies Club, Washington D.C. Chapter

>>110186068
Funny thing about IRL ID scans, a company called IDScan leaked 150 million IDs live, including SecDef Hegseth's ID, not even more than a few months ago. I forgot to mention that.

>>110196023
>>110197044
>>110189714
TL;DR the synthesis of this is all the dark web guys leaking IDs will soon find themselves in an eternal september of their own, one that they cannot help but expedite...

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>>110180955
Still no verification on my newsgroups.

>>110197937
>I got mine fuck you
They will come for you too one day, then I'll be laughing in hell at how dumb you were.

>>110197937
Don't you have to pay for usenet access anyway, or did you find a workaround?

>>110184729
On the Chat Control 2.0 proposal, MEPs who oppose according to https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ :
>Ville NIINISTÖ (Green)
>Maria OHISALO (Green)
>Aura SALLA (Kokoomus)
>Jussi SARAMO (Kokoomus)
>Sebastian TYNKKYNEN (PS)
Vote accordingly, make it publicly and loudly clear that you are voting on this basis, and demand that campaigning politicians answer questions about it as a campaign issue.

>>110198359
They added something new to Chat Control, but this is also probably useful.

Now if only it were so simple in Burgertown...

>>110189714
>It's utterly sad that such mobilization was done for SOPA and PIPA and Net Neutrality, but not against these "Diddy" DID laws
SOPA and PIPA was ONLY protested by Big Tech because it would cut into their profits. Nowadays they would get an exemption and support and act like that.

>>110180168
why is captain krik evil?

children should bow down before bbc (british broadcasting channel)

>>110198721
That doesn't explain the radio silence from sites like Wikipedia or here, or from sites that are (somewhat) dependent on lower barriers to entry (such as Reddit).

To say nothing of the plethora of smaller forums. Force-doxxing the internet reduces it to FB/IG/TikTok, or sites indistinguishable from such, and accounts are increasingly required to even *view* content.

The particulars of this could gut some Big Tech groups and massively benefit others; the silence is still eerie and horrifying.

Diddification needs to be fought, starting here.

>>110180168
Hang all pedos! You will suffer you rapist scum!

>>110198721
SOPA and PIPA have been reincarnated as the American Copyright Protection Act. Nobody cares.

>>110180168
Don't you already identify yourself to your ISP or phone carrier before connecting to the internet? What's the difference?

>>110199571
Your ISP doesn't attach that to particular usernames in perpetuity with a facial scan. IPs are commonly reassigned and so on, your face is not.

The typical force-doxxing methods are face scans, IDs, and credit card checks; all of those are far more intimate, and liability is typically placed on the social media platform to collect it in association with an account.

>>110199462
Most of that bill's sponsors are retiring this congress, if it's the same one I'm thinking of. Issa got gerrymaxxed and Tillis got trumped out, for example.

Probably mostly angling for lobbying sinecures desu.

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>>110198769
t. Starmer

>>110180168
there is nothing to do we are all fucked. This was proven after the UK banned porn and nobody did anything. It proves that we are at a point in society where people are too complacent to do anything so governments can just keep slowly boiling the frogs they please. The free internet as you know it will be dead in a few decades. Enjoy it while it lasts.

>>110199709
Yeah, but if gov wants to find out who you are and what he fuck you're typing on the internet, they can and will anyway. Just look at all those bongs that get arrested for posts. Even some american on /pol/ got arrested for talking shit about some sheriff.

>>110200886
>on /pol/
Wasn't that on facebook? Or am I thinking of a different incident of this?

If it's that one in a ~upper-three-digits pop TX town, that police department got dissolved over this.

>>110202072
nah, that retard got reported by some anons and staff relayed it to the authorities with his IP

>>110202134
Oops.

>>110200758
All I can hope for is that something changes. Even just talking about it. I'm at a loss as to a course of action though...

>>110200758
also
>frogs
I suppose "meme magic" made this inevitable...

>>110197853
I wonder if we'll be speaking about "Dreadditors" in 10 years in the same breath as Redditors were 10 years ago...

Can Dread even scale to that extent?

>>110187465
A lot of it is probably a combo of AI existing to process surveillance data, AI facial estimation, and fears/anger over bot armies on social media. That's probably why it's happening now.

This won't even stop iPad kids, parents will just use their IDs to verify their devices that their kids will then use, except for parental busybodies.

>>110200886
>the government already has tools to hurt people, so you should just make it easier and more efficient for them
>also make it easier for random malicious employees and/or hackers to abuse the data for their own purposes, like what happened with license plate readers
boomer mindset

>>110205334
This. The NSA/three-letter-soup was/is far more contained on what to use it for and who to use it on compared to regular cops and mass databases hosted by the companies themselves; force-doxxing due to diddy laws turns this process from a dubiously-constitutional process often needing parallel construction for limited use into a proceduralized, universal process.

>>110180296
Now take a look at the state laws...

If SCOTUS upholds them I'm becoming a single issue pro-court-packing voter. The constitution is a raped corpse if they stand. We may as well never have left Britain.

>muh vooting
>muh cuckstitution
The goyim never learn.

>>110206000
If I have to live under the boot, the MAGAtards have to too. Simple. See >>110202047.

>>110204293
Gen "Beta" will either be cucklords or raised on the dark web, if this remains a thing...

>>110206650

>>110207034
How do we make decentralized networks "cool"?
Also the existing dark networks might not be the way and new protocols might need to be created based on the new requirements.

>>110207156
1.) It's already mysterious and rebellious. Call the verifications the "goy shuffle" or something. Remember "Dark Web Search: Black Pill-Incel Ideology"? It's already wildly misunderstood by media morons (incels dot is, for instance, is on the clearnet)

2.) That's why I mentioned I2P despite my lack of familiarity; anything for mass use would likely have to be P2P and off the clearnet, rather than reliant on fixed midpoint or endpoint infrastructure for all of its connections. It'd have to strengthen with the masses, rather than overload, and have few to no central points to attack.

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>>110180168
Gave up, boughted VPN access (Mullvad). Fuck the retarded gobernment.

>>110208115
Problem is every site fucks with you cause they think you're a bot

>>110208115
>hoyoverse
KILL YOURSELF

>>110185533
What hentai is he reading

>>110208205
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_LO

>>110208115
See >>110208156 and also the fact that these laws are spreading like a plague throughout the world. Soon the question may be "Where do I even VPN to?"

>>110208115
>>110208156
Including this one, unless you pay $30 and attach an e-mail to your posts.

SAD! I actually kinda like these captchas, it's like a neat minigame.

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>>110208179
nyo~ :3

>>110208600
Aww, cute.
>>110208156
Soon, we'll all be bots anyways. Or something. It's not like anyone trusts social media sites not to let bots in even if they make (You) scan your retina and butthole.

>>110180312
The morbid part is that the children themselves go online because without that, they have nothing. Their parents don't even let them play on the street, and they often don't have siblings. I know because I was one. But what will the internet be replaced with? Nothing.

In fact, this is why I said that most parents will just use themselves to verify to get their kids back on the internet; because there isn't really an alternative activity for said children.

Now they have Life360 total tracking in real life, and soon (god forbid) Diddy Laws on the internet - which makes the obvious rhetorical question to ask - how can they live if even stepping out of the home creates risk - the unironic position of safetyists like this. They are and this is the closest thing to that Phineas and Ferb multi-part episode wherein all children are locked inside pods until they reach adulthood; this is the closest thing to that physically possible.

But a life without risk is itself a risk - a risk of living without living and dying without dying. A retirement home society built to suck the joy out of anyone younger than 40, even something as modest as a bulletin board forum.

Absolutely disgusting. So many people will claim to care about the children but twist the knife in their backs; promising an end to slop but ensuring none but it can survive.

What world are you creating? Have you thought about the endpoint of this, or the second and third order effects of this and other things you almost certainly support? Did you even think to ask this?

Digital privacy has long been dead

>>110209215
NTA but children don't go outside due to an erosion of places they can actually go out.
There are too many people on a hair trigger over any type of anything happening on or around their property. Even if as kids they played in the street.
Public spaces are also getting so locked down if not entirely disappeared.
People can argue as to why but it's not like parents don't want kids to go out, it's just too much of a headache dealing with shitty people who don't want kids to have any fun anywhere.

I don't entirely disagree with the idea there should be something done with kids in online spaces. I say this as someone who did have unregulated internet in my early teens,

Most kids are generally retarded and the issue isn't them speaking their opinion, but most will immediately get themselves absolutely mind fucked on the clearnet.

Back in the day when the internet wasn't as accepted this was self-regulating as if you were caught jerking 24/7 or saying nigger every other sentence you were cut off. This basically gatekept the internet to those who had some level of mental faculties to hide what they did online.

Of course, the issue now is that it's basically expected everyone has internet 24/7 all the time. You can't reasonably take it away. The parents are also too apathic to do anything.

So unless you want the average IQ to even be more fucked up then they are. There needs to be some level of gatekeeping because the lowest common dominator isn't much of anything to try to bypass it, but those people are also going to need to be herded in some way away from the open internet because they can't control themselves and handle it.
Those who bypass any verification and don't catch flak and control themselves have earned their place,

>>110210458
This is true, and even when lawmakers notionally pass laws to the contrary, they seem to be ignored. Just look at that Virginia woman who did that exact thing and got targeted for arrest.

>bypass any verification
Well, when you make it legally mandatory, with large fines for violations, it becomes nigh-impossible to bypass, any exceptions shut down. And good luck finding any released bypasses without social media in the first place.

Somewhere like this would be shut down under such a legal regime sooner or later.

If you want to shut down the slop hose, try to get parents to stop physically giving devices to sub-10-13 year olds, or ban/restrict short-form-video platforms. But they don't seem to want to do that.

>>110182393
unironically the world would be improved if you, your family and the drafters of all these bills croaked.

>>110194707
> nothing ever happens because I am a shut in who won't notice anything happening until the internet is bricked

>>110210951
>Well, when you make it legally mandatory, with large fines for violations, it becomes nigh-impossible to bypass
It won't be that strictly enforced, it doesn't have to be.
There haven't even been any arrests afaik from current age verification laws in states today from people using VPNs.

People are honestly thinking way to hard into it. Yes it's entrenching to the open internet as we know it but to anyone who isn't a normgroid will never need to care. There will be thousands of holes, some purpose built.
It's just meant to stop the borderline failures from becoming full failures and they are so fucking helpless that any barrier beyond a google search might as well be the great wall or something

>>110211390
Nigga time doesn't stay still, they're gonna escalate with AI powered chat control and flock cameras on top.

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>>110211461
Just wait until they pressure all social networks to autoreject VPNs, or device-level censorship using "local" models, or other means.

>>110180168
>legislation in multiple US states and countries all over the world that all have online ID-verification as their only outcome

Definitely very organic.

>>110211757
Totally not a astroturfed moral panic. Totally not made up in a Dialog meeting to ruin the internet and accrue power to privatized surveillance. No sir.

>>110210229
There's a difference between upping the ante and making it outright illegal using diddy laws...

>>110181201
>Just like how children can buy alcohol and cigarettes, right? Oh wait, they can't.
The reason why you don't walk into people's houses and see kids openly smoking and drinking alcohol is because it's a cultural taboo. You'd be seen as an absolute fucking degenerate if you let your kids do that shit.

The problem with enforcing ID verification for social media platforms is that there's multiple ways around it, all of which are easy. With alcohol and cigarettes, you'd need to either steal it or get someone to buy it for you. These are physical goods that need to be acquired, and all the methods to do it underage involve risk. From a kid's perspective, the risk being is that your parents come down on you hard and you lose certain privileges (e.g. no Nintendo for you).

With accessing social media without an ID, there's zero risk. You can just tunnel your network traffic through something that'll mask your IP (e.g. VPN, proxy, Tor) and shazam, you're on social media again. There isn't even risk from the parents, often parents do not give a fuck if their kid is on Facebook. This is the problem. The government is attempting to do the job of the parents, and this same government can't even configure a school network to stop kids from surfing Facebook there.

So now what you have is these insane solutions where it becomes harder to protect children because in some cases they're now a lot harder to identify online. There's now an incentive for children to learn OPSEC and keep their identities concealed to evade the banhammer. Beforehand, there was *zero* incentive and you knew where most of these people were most of the time.

What needs to be done to protect le children is to make unsupervised internet access the same cultural taboo as smoking and drinking alcohol. If you're a parent who lets your kids have their prefrontal cortex smoothed out by MrBeast, you ought to be looked at with the same disgust as the trailer trash who lets their kids smash six packs.

>>110213017
I mean, back when I was a kid on the internet I would never, ever tell anyone I was a kid. I knew monsters lurked those waters, that isn't new. What this does is make that OPSEC impossible.

They'll probably (IIRC Ofcom is already demanding it) demand crackdowns on VPN users on social media. Maybe the CIA trying to cultivate audiences in Mainland China or Iran et al. will shitcan it. That is why TOR is publically available, after all.

I don't get it w/r/t Facebook, isn't doxxing mandatory there? OPSEC there is definitionally practically impossible. Twitter pre-biometric/app signup or Reddit would be better examples, desu.

Anyways, if they at least try to appear to not preserve facial scans, then expect adult anons to go bribe junkies to scan their faces, the same way straw purchasers exist for IRL age-restricted goods.

Also ahead of you on the taboo front, that's how I look at people who like vertical short-form video. I saw it spread in my school in ~the late 2010s, decided it was cancer, and resolved to never go there. Even if I see one for context, I buffer through it and read the captions. Depending on how this goes, and the precise way these laws are written, it could kill small forums or cause a bloom of them; I certainly hope it is the latter.

Alas, the parents themselves often use this stuff, so the taboo may not catch on. It's hard to condemn something for your kid if you're constantly watching TikTok or Reels yourself.

>>110180168
>Is there anyone [sic]?
No, there is only bots.

>>110213243
beep boop, meatbag.

I will make it my life mission to create ways to avoid this and to teach kids how to use them to bypass this control freak panopticon, they want a generation of slaves that don't even know what freedom is, they will get the opposite.

>>110214068
o7. Based.

>>110198664
Chat Control 1.0 is "we can take the file hashes of images you upload and check them against existing databases of bad images". Chat Control 2.0 is a digital panopticon hellscape where everything you say and do and see on the internet is monitored and prosecuted by the government and every service provider is conscripted into being a privatized surveillance company. FUCK the danish cucks for pushing this shit.

politics don't matter
stop pretending any tech law passed in the last 50 years had any effect on your life AT ALL

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>>110180955
we really do need 2 internets.

It's part of the regression to a 3rd world society, except now enhanced by tech. As the population keeps being dumbed down no one needs a PC anymore. I had a nigger roommate who only had a phone. When I asked him if had a computer its like he didn't know what it was. He just sat in his room, looking at his phone, all day long. We won't need computers anymore

>>110214973
Goycattle need a pen. It's not like he could've gotten much use out of a PC anyways, desu.

>>110181034
>the legal famework to even begin to try to enforce any of this this has more holes than swiss cheese
You’re an idiot. All it would take is to get a handful of major hardware manufacturers and software/social media companies in line. Compared to the internet of 2026, that essentially all economic and social life runs on, the music industry of the early 2000’s was minuscule. Very soon you’ll need verified hardware and a digital passport to get online or connect to anyone at all. It’s not the same as tacit acceptance of covert surveillance and you know it.

>>110216469
Yup. It's the difference between a guy watching a crowd from a roof and the TSA. Systematization and centralized chokepoints...

>>110180312
>I need the state to parent my kids for me because i'm too busy being a cog in the machine and can't bother getting a simple ip blocking service from my isp provider