>>110123382
What is the most powerful ThinkPad?

Is it normal for a t14g2 to just randomly shut down after I put it to sleep?
Just put it to sleep and came back after an hour to the inital windows login screen and just as I was signing in with my fingerprint the screen went black and it rebooted, showing the lenovo logo.

I just had AI hold my hand to upgrade my T430s that was on Windows 7 to Linux. I never used Linux before. But AI told me to install Zorin OS and helped with every step even when there was an issue with installing the n-video drivers. Now everything just werks. Neat, thanks for reading my blog.

>>110125460
Congratulations on your first time using AI pajeet

>>110125460
it’s a good way to transition but don’t be too dependent on it, eventually it’ll fuck up your entire system

>>110125387
they told me it was a safety feature

>>110124730
P16 Gen 3

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>>110124730
The one with me behind the keyboard

>>110125606
Ya AI is having a hell of a time why my system is not waking up from sleep when i close the lid for over 30mins.

posting this from my Dell Latitude 3420

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>>110127711

You guys think I should replace the thermal paste?

>>110127479
>Dell Latitude 3420
I wasn't impressed with 5320 build quality, 3420 should be a rebranded inspiron crap.
get a real big boys latitude fren, 5470, 5480, 5400 are some nice, chunky and somewhat modern models

>>110127649
you already opened it so yes

>>110127711
I know, just funny seeing how crusted up it is. I put PTM 7950 on there so it should be good for a while. I hear these thinkpads with the vapor chambers run through thermal past pretty hard

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>>110128687 >>110130262 >>110134161

Anybody know where I can get a replacement caps lock key?

>>110128490
Just hold shift. Unless you have it bound for something important, like rebinding esc to caps for vim.

>>110128490
Just replace the whole keyboard and get a civilized ANSI layout. I hate those weird big Enter short Shift layouts so much. A lot of ThinkPads in my country come from western europe with this trash layout, so I swap them for US ANSI keyboards whenever possible

>>110130262
Based ANSI enjoyer, I always thought it was my burger bias that thought the rectangle enter key looked the best, but I guess others like it, too.

>>110128490
>reprinted keyboard
Do yourself a favor and replace the whole keyboard with one that hasn't been violated

>>110130262
ISO > ANSI
enjoy hitting that little backtick key when you go for enter

I miss using my x200.

>>110136669
What happened to it?

>>110136716
I'm trying to remember but I think the mobo died. Such a great keyboard on that thing

>>110136782
Same thing happened to me.

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I swear theyre throwing these damn things out of the window where they then get run over by a car before going to the recycler, but corpo trash is my treasure.

mom needs a new laptop should I get her a macbook neo or a thinkpad? I would prefer a thinkpad with linux but she is not very good with technology still tries to tap the screen every now and then despite working on the pc all day. So windows or macos I doubt prices are going to go down in the future...

>>110139856
>still tries to tap the screen every now and then
How?
My female colleagues hate using the touchscreen feature on their HP Dragonfly laptop.

>>110140792
He should get her the cheapest touchscreen chinkpad possible, touchscreen laptop seems a little silly but one time I was bumping the 2 watt speakers on ny T470 in the kitchen and just tapped the next song without using a track pad or trackpoint and it was quite nice, not only that, touchscreen chinkpads are 1080p ips, so its vibrant and easy on the eyes

last windows 10 updates completely bricked my battery life it seems
am I the only one? (T480)

>>110141956
I think it's just a bloated piece of shit Anon, that's what's killing your battery life, when I install a fresh 2H22 on my T470, you can just feel the amount of CPU cycles it takes up just to do basic shit, that's battery life being taken, it also could be your battery slowly deteriorating like they do over time, and you're just noticing it Anon, but Windows 10 has always been heavy.

>>110141963
but it feels like an overnight change and besides the windows updates I haven't changed my habits at all that's why I'm kinda dumbfounded

>>110141991
Try installing a fresh 2H22 with updates disabled and see how the battery life is, it's the only way to know, also if you're sticking with Windows you should get Windows 11 since the T480 will install 11 with no tricks unlike my T470 despite them being identical computers with TPM 2.0 secureboot bullshit, but whatever.


If you're not a fan of 11, Get Linux Mint, doesn't even matter if it's the full cinnamon desktop, it will supercharge T480 like you wouldn't even believe, and it's not even magic either, the OS just doesn't have a bunch of garbage running in the background.

>>110142035
isn't windows 11 hot garbage though? Haven't really been keeping up with what people think about it. Maybe it got better since?

>>110142063
Windows 11 is hot garbage Anon, but 10 isn't much better, 11 is so horrific is makes 10 look tolerable, which it is, but as far as sucking system resources, it was an absolute hog compared to Windows 7, which is currently idling at 817MB of RAM in my virtual machine even with stuff cached in there from having used applications, meanwhile on my T470 I can load up 2H22 from cold boot and it will be using 2.8GB of RAM, so something is off with these newer versions of Windows, I like that my collection of T470s are Windows 10 keyed up but the OS has always been horrible compared to Windows 7 and earlier, Microsoft just slammed on the gas when it came to bloat and how many system resources can it take.

>>110142090
alright thanks for the rundown
is it still possible to buy pristine batteries for the T480 you think? Chances are it won't solve anything but you never know

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>>110142119
you can find chink ones on ebay for like 30 bucks. I bought a 72Wh one like 2 years ago and it still holds 67Wh (ignore the "fully charged (design)" line, it's not correct)

>>110142119
Unfortunately due to age of the T480 you can't buy OEM Lenovo batteries anymore, and it's a bit of a dice roll that the new Chinese battery you buy is just gonna be "okay" or really good, or not work at all, it's one of the main reasons business laptops fall in value as they age is lack of support from Lenovo, which in an enterprise situation is everything, that's why such capable and good laptops go to recyclers even though it's a beast, the companies want support, that's the main reason why I tell people to not pay a lot for T480 laptops these days despite it being a memed laptop.

>>110142157
>>110142163
thanks, I'll look into it

>>110142090
>compared to Windows 7, which is currently idling at 817MB of RAM in my virtual machine
Absolute bullshit.
Try installing GPU driver and use it on a real machine instead of VM.
It uses 1.5GB on idle just like W10 LTSC.

>>110123382
Get Think pad E14 G1 for 120eur
Beaten scratched but working fine!

Solid build for 1gen!!!

>>110142892
Good ass price Anon

>>110142063
Win11 on 26H2 isn't too bad and it feels significantly lighter than what it used to be from earlier reiteration. Just run it on Enterprise or Education edition so you can disable the most telemetry possible and debloat with Chris Titus tools and remove AI functions and it's actually very usable. To be honest 11 doesn't do that much more compared to 10 so if you're used to 10 there's almost no need to switch. I also have a Win10 IoT LTSC dual booting with Win 7 on a P51 and the latest update did make the super quick Win 10 a bit slower so I don't know. It didn't eat up my battery life though.

>>110142090
On my VM Win7 is around <1 GB like yours but on my P51 it can go over 4 GB idle but it might be all the Lenovo and Intel and NVIDIA stuff.

>>110142063
>isn't windows 11 hot garbage though?
Yeah, it is. Never install Windows 11. If you think Windows 10 is bad, Windows 11 is much, much worse. Install Windows 10 IoT LTSC instead

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>>110146150 >>110148802 >>110151524

Can i use a Raspberry Pi 2B+ to flash a T60 with Libreboot?
The Libreboot website suggests that this is possible after changing the drive strength

>>110146114
>flash a T60 with Libreboot?
Why would you do that? T60 is the last ThinkPad model without the Intel ME backdoor, so I thought that wouldn't be necessary.

>>110146150
>two decade old outdated BIOS with no security updates
yeah, it's a mystery as to why someone would want to flash that

>>110146675
>security updates
You mean adding more backdoors, since the CPU didn't have one? Yeah no thanks. I'm never updooting my T60

>>110146114
I think you can flash T60 and X60 without disassembly.

Each thinkpad release the keyboard gets worse right?

>>110148864
Every few years, not necessarily every release, and sometimes they walk back some of the bad decisions.
>2012
7-row classic to 6-row chiclet, caps lock light removed, spaces between F keys removed
>2013
key travel reduced to 2.1 mm, spaces between F keys restored
>2016-2018 depending on model
key travel reduced to 1.8 mm, caps lock light restored, keys next to Enter on ISO layout narrowed (15" version)
>2016-2019 depending on model
classic trackpoint replaced with Elan
>2022
key travel reduced to 1.5 mm, keys next to Enter on ISO layout narrowed (14" version), keyboard as a whole becomes extremely flimsy without the laptop's frame to rest against
>2024
Ctrl and Fn swapped and made the same size (so you can manually swap them back)
>2026
Enter narrowed on ISO layout instead of the previously narrowed keys

I'm comfortable with any T-series keyboard from 2010 to 2021 except the 2012 one without spaces between the F keys. Pre-2010 has me hitting F1 instead of Esc, post-2021 has accidental keypresses from just putting my hands on it and the trackpoint drifts much more often. YMMV.

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>>110149404

Hello /tpg/
Got myself a HP ProBook 640 G1 for $50 with i5-4200M, 8 gigs of RAM and 120 gig SSD to play around with and I'll be honest - in some ways it's even better than T440p:
>touchpad with physical buttons out of the box
>no retarded Wi-Fi whitelist
>blazing fast BIOS, OS/boot loader starts as soon as you press the power button
>access to all internals through pulling out just one bottom panel and it holds with a slide mechanism - no need to disassemble whole laptop to do maintenance
>can always be found cheaper because it's not a chinkpad therefore sellers aren't jacking up prices since the cult isn't interested in it
>better dGPU option (Radeon HD8750M), especially for Linux
There are two downsides though:
>no coreboot/libreboot
>half the case is plastic
But both are insignificant if you're not a schizo (besides me_cleaner exists) and take a little bit of care to not drop or smack it.

>>110149273
Solid buy. I've always been jealous of the bottom covers on these.
Also
>two downsides
>lack of nipple not mentioned

>>110148468
>adding more backdoors,
more like removing them retard

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>>110149404
There are 640 G1s with nips, they're just more rare. I had Latitudes with those and I never used them as they never felt comfortable for me to use and in the end I never fell for the meme.

>>110148468
Dumbass

>>110146114
>changing the drive strength
lel

>>110148468
Canoeboot is 100% FOSS, doesn't even have microcode updates. The only backdoors are the ones in a 20 year old Lelnovo BIOS.

why is the w541 3k ips k2100m almost 1k now, shit was 250 4 years ago.

>>110153228
anyone have any suggestions for another good model

>>110153228
Not sure Anon, but you really shouldn't even be buying Haswell Thinkpads for use as a laptop because it's so goddamn old for how much people are wanting for it, high dpi ips screens are based but it's not gonna make that haswell chip go faster or use any less energy.

>>110153274
Get a T14 Gen 2 AMD with the Zen3 chips, the 15W 5650U 6 core is double the performance of a W541, which uses 57w on the Intel Core i7-4940MX, it's a dinosaur Anon, Haswell laptops were great in their day and great in their used thinkpad era, but newer stuff has come out and come down in price.

>>110153292
thank you! yea that looks better, shame its not core/libreboot able. im looking at something to replace my hp elitebook 845 g7, might go with the t14 5850u at ~500

>>110148468
>t. John Lenovo

>T14 Gen 3 Ryzen 7 Pro 6850U 32GB 1TB
is 650 ok

>>110153893
Yes, 32GB of DDR5 is the hot shit right now.

>>110154419
>>110154336

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>>110154493
nice, i got it lol.

>>110154419
NTA, but how does a low TDP core 7 32gb T14 G5 or core 5 G6 compare to that>>110154336 in terms of performance?
I've seen them priced not too far appart, which is quite sad really...

>>110154752
The Ryzen would be 23% faster on passmark multithread.

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first thing after getting my thinkpad is watching lain
>she lilerally me frfr

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>>110157358

I wish Fujshitsu notebooks worked better with Linux.

Just bought a P50 and two (2) T480 for like $160 total. Im gonna upgrade one of the T480 to be a daily driver since they're so light. What should I do with the P50 or the other T480? I already have a built precision T7820 tower so I'm not really sure what to do with them (yet).

>>110156650
What's P50's processor? I have a P51 which I dual boot Win7 and Win10 IoT LTSC on (always install older Windows first before newer if you do this) and it is a decent machine for most of my needs. Since it's a workstation it's a bit chunky though so I'd leave it at the desk for the most part. You could just run a server on the other T480 or a backup computer or give it to someone in your family or a friend who really needs one. Could also run some Linux distro too or dual boot it with a Windows. I'm sure you can find good use for your new machines.

>>110156553
what don't work anon?
even thinkpads had a lot of work put into them back in the late 2000s

>>110156650
keep the other t480 for spare parts.
p50 can be proxmox virtual lab you can power up when needed, retro gaming station...or give it to relative for general use.

>>110157464
He should sell it while they're still memed and people are being retarded with how much they'll pay for a T480.

>>110157358
>what don't work anon?
Power issues with the CPU and battery drain by default. I have to blacklist drivers and edit the GRUB command line just to get the keyboard working properly and not be stuck in tablet mode. It's all Fujitsu's fault. I don't blame Linux, but their notebooks are genuinely well made but you can't just use Linux with them without having to configure them.

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i8042.nomux=1 i8042.reset mem_sleep_default=deep"

/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-intel_vbtn.conf
blacklist intel_vbtn

>>110123382
I need something to replace my x220. Had a thinkpad tablet but didn't like the form factor. Looking for a 13" or smaller. Leaning towards a used x13 gen 2 or higher, but how are similarly sized dell latitudes and other business laptops mentioned in the sticky?

First time buying a laptop, I'm on a budget
>Lenovo Thinkpad X260 (Refurbished)
>Intel Core i7 6th gen
>8GB RAM (Expandable)
>500 GB HDD
>12,5"
>$355
Is this a good option?

>>110158201
>>$355
that has to be a typo, for that price I hope you're getting 3 of them and not one lmao

>>110157587
that sucks ass
also sounds like the only real fix would be to upstream fixes
which is a bigger pain in the ass
condolences

>>110158201
No, get one with a SSD.

>>110158201
You're either baiting or just ignorant of pricing for these things while some scumbag jacked the price to make cash on that ignorance.
Anyways, give us the exact number for your budget. Everyone has a different understanding of what being on a budget means.

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>>110158201
Refurbished is a scam Anon, you want your Chinkpads literally straight from a recycler who got it from a wasteful as fuck company who throws out perfectly good computers.

A 14nm dual core Thinkpad is based as fuck, but you should only pay about $100 or so for a complete skylake or kaby lake Thinkpad,

>>110157464
>>110157481
Not gonna lie, I was thinking the same thing. People pay way too much for these things already I might just refurbish it and get my money back on it. Thanks for the ideas though.

>>110158730
I actually don't know how much they cost, that's why I'm even asking here. Well, I'm a third worlder, so the price it's about expected. Also, I'm just looking at the first options I found, I'm planning to research more

If I can pay in installments, about the price I posted would be my limit. Otherwise, I would set it in $200 and that's a stretch
>inb4 poorfag
I actually need the laptop. Due to circumstances, I'm limited in how much I can use my PC and I can't work like that
>>110158862
So far, I'm only finding them in $180 and more, and it's shit that works with Celeron, but I appreciate the tip

>>110159157
You gotta get a T series or E series if you want anything decent for your money Anon, those little 12 incher X series thinkpads carry a premium for some unknown reason, even where I'm at X270 7300U goes for $150+ and that same computer but 14 inch T470 with a 7300U is $70-$80 or less without an SSD in it, typically a little over $100 if it's complete.

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Final T470 has been unboxed and its fucking mint

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>>110162057

Do you think 200 eurobux is a good price for a recycled X13 16gb?

>>110162047
What generation is it Anon? X series 13 inchers have been around for a while

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>>110162057
I think it's the gen1, but I haven't been to the shop yet. Seems like the price of the 8gb variant rose from previous year and all the other thinkpads sold out.

>>110162078
I think it's a good price.

I just bought a thinkpad z16 gen 1. I'm going to install linux on it. Did I fuck up or not?

>>110163388
>Did I fuck up or not?
Yeah you're fucking everyone up on Geekbench with that beast processor

>>110163405
Nice, I didn't even check the benchmarks. I just wanted to upgrade from my t490 and I got tired of the poor nvidia support for linux.
What I got
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+PRO+6850H&id=4930
What I have
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-8665U+%40+1.90GHz&id=3434

>>110163471
>before is 60% stronger than my trusty 7300U
Just.

Those Ryzen PROs are fucking beasts, I don't even care that it's 45w, I like my 15w Ultrabooks but I'm thinking about biting the bullet and getting a new or newish Workstation Thinkpad like the Z16 or P1 as main machine because it's so much performance that would be strong for a long time.

Is getting a t430 in 2026 retarded? I have some msata ssd and 16gb sodimm ddr3 I would like to use and had an idea to get a privacy focused machine to dialy drive, and I feel like the t430 would be suitable, but I'm afraid it can be underpowered

>>110163557
It's not retarded if you get it cheap, what's nice is you have RAM and drive to make it work, which means "for parts or not working" T430 with no ram or drives are an option, and a laptop that can't boot due to missing RAM or drive isn't worth a whole lot.

>>110163574
>if you get it cheap
How cheap is cheap? I'm in Europe if that helps

>>110163614
Just look on ebay for T430 and include shit like no RAM no SSD/HDD in the search, sort form lowest to highest, if you see listings of pictures of the T430 booted in the BIOS and is otherwise functional minus a drive, that's a very good thing, if the price is right, you can get it.

>>110163557
In my country public computers are even more shit spec wise than the t430-x230 gen from 2012
Feels good knowing my laptop is still relevant

>>110163639
Your country is based, America is so wasteful and disgusting, they'll literally throw a 14nm Thinkpad into the fucking e-waste bin

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>>110164388

Why not just get an ideapad? They have modern specs and even come with oled screens now for way under 1k. You are going to give yourself eye cancer from those dogshit thinkpad panels

>ideapads brek
Yeah, in 3-4 years and only if you treat them like total shit. My brother has had one since covid that has pretty much snapped in two and yet still werks. Just get another one at that point and either give the broken one to someone else or repurpose the ram and the ssd for your new machine

>>110164117
>Just get another one at that point
Boots theory. I like owning thing that lasts.
I bought a new T14 G5 last year and its hinges haven't fall off yet, unlike my last laptop.

>>110164388
It really is a buy once cry once situation with the T series chinkpads, it's crazy to think If I had spent the money bought a T470 in 2017 and loaded it up with 32GB of RAM for the most ridiculous ultrabook ever, that thing would still be holding on as far as processing power for everyday shit and still not running out of memory, and they're so well built it would still be fuckin running

I'll take the depreciated, outdated T470 for 5% the original price through.

>>110163669
Why you hating on America? Most western countries are just as wasteful if not more so.

>>110165219
because they're saying norway sucks and that norway is a shithouse country
I'm just going to buy chink products from now on
fuck you guys

>>110167118
norway is a shit country bro, it's a fucking open air prison with a nice view. half a year when it's not shit weather or dark as fuck. The Epstein class corrupt clown politicians don't give a fuck, they just want to get the country into EU and fumble the wealth fond gambling on the US stock market. Women are turbowhores and there's an ongoing chlamydia epidemic that has been there for like a decade or more. Police are stazi tier and the whole society is north korea patrotic group think.

>>110163557
It's not completely retarded, with 4core cpu upgrade it won't even be too underpowered. i7-3740qm is comparable to i7-8650U in terms of performance, but eats 45W, can't hw decode h265 and sucks at opengl.