In an interview with Chip Zdarsky, Zdarsky confirms that this also includes the One More Day deal, which has been nullified effective immediately. Early reviews state that Zdarsky’s Avengers run has Spider-Man in a clear and prominent leadership role, with his conflict with Mephisto front and center. What this means for the Amazing Spider-Man book, or Peter’s relationship with MJ, remains unclear, but one thing that is clear is that after 20 years, One More Day, one of the most maligned Spider-Man stories of all time, is finally done.
This is Marvel we're talking about though, if they want to somehow reinstate the deal then they'll find a way.
The deal is 'gone' but all the consequences of the deal remain.Same nonsense Joe tried to peddle in OMIT.You have no reason to be happy about ASM until the last of BND and its thinking are gone.
>>156120659It’s still a start. It’s a necessary first step that Marvel has resisted tooth and nail for twenty years, to the point that they sabotaged Nick Spencer’s run just to preserve OMD. It was their untouchable sacred cow for decades.
If you think about it, Paul has basically screwed things up so badly for editorial that they feel they have no choice but to erase One More Day along with him.
>>156120615I think they can just keep them apart without doing OMD 2.0.Maybe they shouldn’t have tried OMD 1.0.
>>156120591Doom has earned this one. Henceforth, I declare that Doom has the right to murder the loathesome Reed Richards.
>>156120965Not really, Doom owes Spidey.
>>156120615This. The deal may be gone but that doesn't mean they have to walk back the effects of it. I will believe it when I see it. They can easily come up with some random cosmic bullshittery to keep things as they are
>>156120979What are debts, between true friends?
>>156120591So is otto back in his clone combo bodyAnd remembers who peter is
>>156121058The fallout of the deals are probably sticking around… but Ock remembers making that deal now, yeah.
>>156120591Sonos johnny blaze normal now?
>>156121004If the Fantastic Four didn't exist, Doom would become a Spider-Man villain. Honestly, he's a better end boss than the vampires, Mephisto and Knull
I kneel to Zdarsky.
Joe Quesada is currently feeling a pain worse than when his dad died. Dan Slott is crying and shitting himself as we speak. Anyone else who could be losing their minds over OMD being retconned?
>>156120591So Zdarsky's run is about a Spider-Man led Avengers stopping Doom? Would be a cool way to handle MCU synergy. So are Avengers editors allowed to override the bullshit of the Spider-Man editorial house?
>OMD undone>Peter will be the main character of Marvel Universe againSay thank you.
>>156121090>If the Fantastic Four didn't exist, Doom would become a Spider-Man villain.That’s pretty much what happened in Stan Lee’s daily Spider-Man strips.
>>156121097Gwenschizo!>>156121127GLORY TO DOOM
>>156121127Doom-sama.....
>>156120591ONE DAYI DON'T KNOW WHY
>>156121237DOESN'T EVEN MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY
>>156121237Vaguepost King ass teaser
>>156120659>You have no reason to be happy about ASM until the last of BND and its thinking are gonethe most realistic thing I can allow myself to expect out of this, is that freeing Peter from Mephisto while not restoring the marriage, will at least entice new writers to take on the ASM bookliterally ONE (1) guy wrote ASM that wasn't part of BND since OMD, immediately tried to undo it, and got fuckedI know we're not allowed to say nice things about modern comic book writers on /co/, but allowing a recent "hot" writer to write ASM instead of dragging out writers from 20 years ago that haven't done anything since their BND mini, by itself, would be a drastic improvement for the book. And maybe JRJR will be allowed to retire.
>>156120591>all this happens right after Yoshida commits Seppuku“What is a lowly Shogun… to an Emperor?”
oh nooo the antijew is freeeee
>>156121613>Auf Wiedersehen, Herr Kaplan!>it is to make ze vorld… a bit more BASED
>>156120750They need to obliterate Dead Language from orbit.Do one of the umpteenth grave digging scenes for ASM but for Paul and find it empty, he was as fake as the kids. He was a Mephisto scheme and not a man.
>>156121237WATCH EM KEEP DANGLING KEYS THINKING THAT THEY TRY
>>156121438There are plenty of modern comic book writers I like, and they as a rule aren't let near ASM as it's a closed crony club with absurd inhouse rules.Like you said, the sole exception gets effectively blackballed when he doesn't play ball.
I don't believe him.Also the resolution to One More Day needs to involve Peter and MJ confronting Mephisto themselves. It can't be undone by an outside book.
>>15612059120 years from now people would still believe that Marvel would change the status quo of their characters.Like this is not a Spider-Man only thing but a general Marvel thing, they are just toys in a sandbox used as a idea farm for more profitable adaptations.If you don't believe me then tell me what was the last big permanent change of any big Marvel character in the last 10 years.
>>156122453Mephisto himself is OOC. He's supposed to be a character from Faust mythos yet he was introduced without Faust himself. Goethe must have been rolling in his grave with how hard his character has been wanked off.
>>156120591What's the point? Peter didn't learn anything if it just happens outside of his book
>>156122525>goethe watching as his clever tale gets mined by hack writers in corporations seeking throwaway excuse plots just because it's in the public domain
>>156122599Peter isn't allowed to learn things, especially not anything that will last for more than a single issue.
It's crazy how one bad story lives in the spider fans head
>>156122599Marvel Comics doesn't take the deal, its consequences nor what this says about the characters nor audience emotional investment seriously. So they will start the ball rolling in some event comic they want to roll up the eyes for.The party line has been only oldies care about the marriage, which is why whenever someone young brings up OMD and the marriage they get visibly shook. The idea that this issue might become cross-generational rotted albatross is a dawning reality to them.
>>156122654It's crazy how stories of previous emotional heights were never reached after.
>>156120591>>156120615>>156120919>>156120987I think you guys are grazing the fact, that unmaking OMD isn't gonna make Peter and MJ fuck like rabbits. It's probably done to save their asses "See we fix it, now please stop bringing Disney's golden goose, sold his soul o algo to the fucking devil, please it's just a quirky comic thing, please shut up"
>>156122501Danny Rand was replacedLuke Cage and Blade had childrenDoc Strange got a dog, a wife, and a third eyeGalactus became the “embodiment of a cosmos” and the whole 1st-8th cosmos thing became realProf Xavier was turned into a twinkSomething like half of the A and B listers turned gay/bi/etc. and that shit is never getting undoneEtcetera
>>156122599He’s confronting this in Avengers.
>>156121100Which falls in line with the shit I said before about DeFalco's retcon you retard.Even then, looking at the text you faggot, there is "..." when she says loads and loads of fun which indicates/implies hesitation/guilt. If you actually thought about it yourself, you would realize this. You dense motherfucker.
It's constant willful ignorance and misinterpretations that are beyond tiresome and instill immense fatigue. Those meme images of retards acting retarded for so long that they end up attracting real retards, is the most faggy situation. That's the impression I get from MJ trolls who just pull up old as fuck pages and try to ignore all that happens later. This isn't new shit. We know how it ends up and the character's arcs are clear and concise up until OMD. Everything after even not counting MJ is all just key jangling bullshit devoid of any purpose or merit, save for some artists.
>>156122525Your post has nothing to do with what I posted.
>>156122921Bad faith is all the office and its access media apologist have anymore.They have had decades to make their point and bring that exciting ocean of creative stories that a grounded, stable mutually loving relationship with potential children and progression was apparently holding back.None of the arguments make sense. None of the youth reasons hold up when you have the variants and of course the option to make a flashback or new ongoing at any time. It's simply a sunk cost ego trip continued, that will end the moment the industries oldest tarred dinosaurs go.
Why do niggas still hope?
>>156122735Even if they undo it, nobody is going to forget that it was done in the first place.
>>156122996Largest super-hero IP in the world still brings enough hopeful eyes for the dumb rump-state comic ongoing.
>>156123017It can be firmly fixed and put to rest, there is a path towards it that utterly undoes Paul, Slotts b8ing and undermining of MJ's character and the deal itself.But it would require either introspection and accountability in-office, which isn't happening. So we need the other thing. Time and new people.
>>156122973Public domain problem requires a public domain solutions.
>>156123188Your wife's son.
>>156122654Retard lmao
>>156123274>hallucinating bot replyThanks for conceding. Reply if you agree that Putin should nuke Poland in his nukechad arc.
>>156120675WHY, though? What about wrecking what was for decades one of the character's main USPs and enraging fans was sacred to Marvel and how did it get that way?
Here you go boyshttps://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/thisispatton/reviews/24492274/avengers-1
>>156123995>Daredevil x CarolMatt deserves better
>>156123995Didn't Gambit lose the Eye less than a month ago, too? lol what is continuity anymore
>>156124531There's way too many events it would challenge editors of yore like DeFalco who were hardon about this, up to analyzing the grammar of the characters to keep it consistent.We have guys like Lowe.
>>156123995Isn't gambit in another universe letting another him fuck his wife?
>>156122501Tone deaf criticism. The real issue is that there's no real status quo to build a foundation on. They bounce to a new lackluster idea before the old is even settled, and only the worst ideas seem to carry over between runs.(i.e. Peter acting like a rookie whether he's rich with his own company, poor and living with Aunt May, conscripted into working for Dr. Doom or stuck in space)
>>156121096Pssssh, I don't.
>>156122680not that crazy really
>>156120591I guess they are depicting it in Avengers since Spider-Man vs Mephisto is not ASM material.>See ASM and the alien buddies and magical cousin.But then again, the spider office don't give a fuck.
>>156124531>>156125516Marvel decided to stick their head in a woodchipper and currently has had around 4-5 nation-spanning/global events happening pretty much concurrently or immediately back to back.>Infernal Hulk has turned midwestern America into a wannabe-cthulu city and has kidnapped/monsterized at least 6 heroes now>3K/OG Beast releasing the X-virus or whatever and forcefully mutating humans in a terrorist attack on US soil>everything involving Asgard>Red Hulk just helped Russia fucking nuke itself and Fury Jr is selling out the heroes to kickstart what will likely end up being Civil War 3, since Marvel thinks it should be their Crisis event or something>Queen in Black which happened ENTIRELY because Marvel wants to ape off Rivals success>now Doom has just completely vacated hell and released some of Earth's most heinous souls back to the livingGood fucking luck to whatever poor bastard has to make sense of this garbage
>>156126983Well Infernal Hulk bs is clearly happening after Armageddon since Cap is back in action, but Danvers is already depowered and short-haired and Johnny is moustachless.Queen in Black should be happening before Cap went into coma since he was leading AVENGE.R.S. and Johnny still had a moustache, so that's before Armageddon.How Doom's hell bullshit and events of the new Avengers run line up with Infernal Hulk, or where DNX fits in this (Magneto was still sick with his BS when Infernal Hulk faced X-Men, but was cured during DNX) is anyone's fucking guess.
If you are not getting Pete and MJ back together what is point of "Undoing" OMD.
>>156126983>3K/OG Beast releasing the X-virus or whatever and forcefully mutating humans in a terrorist attack on US soilTechnically, this is a crossover
>>156120591What does this mean for the Ghost Riders, or Master Pandemonium? Can Norman get his kids back.
I like the post-OMD / BND status quo though. I don't think Peter and MJ should be married. They're just... Too different. I prefer that Peter have serial monogamous relationships with multiple female character, both superhero and ordinary, instead of getting married.
>>156127329>t. Nick Lowe.
>>156122786>Something like half of the A and B listers turned gay/bi/etcThis never happened, 95% of lgbt characters are C and D listers that barely appar in comics
>>156123995>whining about not knowing an X-men storyline that’s been around for multiple years now
>>156126983Wow someone really can’t understand that not all events need to happen simultaneously
>>156127388To be fair Gail's book is shit and I don't blame him for skipping it
>>156123995>Spider-Man is written fineThat's all that matters. It's about time that Marvel accepts their brand is "Spider-Man and those other guys."
>>156127329stan lee wanted him to be married. If you are someone that thinks Marriage deflates narrative and gets in the way of adventure then I'm afraid your wife married the wrong man.
>>156127462>stan lee wanted him to be marriedAnd now he's dead.
>>156127408>It's about time that Marvel accepts their brand is "Spider-Man and those other guys."X-Men are much more important than Spider-Man ever was, comics-wise. And combined, their titles sell much more than Spider-Man's.
>>156123995>Spider-man is written fine.
>>156127388>an X-men storylineAgamotto is an x-man? I thought he was an ancient mystical martial artist who ascended to godhood and the eye was a magical artifact, but youre telling me the eye actually went to Xaviers School for Troubled Children and joined the x-men?
>>156127489Are you confident in holding Spider-Man IP as a hostage behind private domain jail because Stan Lee is dead, especially that Marvel is leaving NYC?
>>156127370Johnny StormIcemanPsylockeKitty PrydeMorphBlack CatFuck you, anon
>>156127615No, he's saying that Gambit having one of the Eyes of Agamotto is a X-Men storyline that was running for 2 years (it ended last month).
>>156126983>>156127077We already had a post going into how bad the continuity between Infernal Hulk is with the rest of the 616 >>155995909
>>156127496>X-Men are much more important than Spider-Man ever was...on opposite day btw.
>>156127408That's a retarded take. We've all learned that other Marvel characters can be popular and successful if given the opportunity and handled well. Even if one character and brand has been the company's flagship character for decades, ignoring or neglecting everyone else is just stupid and leaving money on the table.>>156127496And here come the X-fags who insist it's still the 1990s and it will always be the 1990s and the rest of the world hasn't moved on and left them stuck in the 90s.Most X-Men books that aren't the core titles have been selling badly for a long, long time, but Marvel just won't wake up and accept nobody wants to read X-Factor, X-Force, X-Husbands and X-Coffee Shop.
>>156127496So important, you could cut them out of 616 entirely, and the entire universe would be better without those perpetual victimizing cunts.
>>156128174Your hero will never be Spider-Man.
>>156128119At this point, Infernal Hulk shouldn't be treated as canon.
>>156127496Spider-Man has consistently outsold the X-Men even before they hit their post-Krakoa slump
>>156120591Link or keep your shitty fanfic to yourself.
>>156120615Even if they get rid of the deal, they're still going to do the same stupid shit they've always done. Call me when Spider-man is as good as he was in the 80s and 90s.
>>156121613Not gonna lie, kinda dig this Red Skull design.
>>156129581https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRVbUH87pQc>"I just thought about the idea of, like, Doom take -- winning in the end, and just taking over Hell, and what does that mean? What does that look like? And one of the things I just thought of was like, 'Well, like, Doom -- Doom's not a slave owner. He's not that level of evil. Like, he wouldn't want to own souls. That's owning people, right? And so, whatever contracts that Mephisto drew up for that, like, no, Doom -- Doom is not going to honor those. Like, that's -- that's -- that's ridiculous.' Um, which, you know, obviously there's a -- a famous contract in Amazing Spider-Man... So, you know, there's going to be -- there's going to be some ripples there."
>>156120591>One More Day, one of the most maligned Spider-Man stories of all time, is finally done.But the consequences will never be undone, so it means nothing in the end.
>>156130415This is a very necessary first step in getting it undone.
>>156120750How exactly has Paul screwed things up for editorial?
>>156130387What the fuck does this mean for Ghost Rider
>>156130851They really weren't expecting the degree of backlash they got, and even killing him off hasn't really put things back in a good place for them.
>>156130918a retcon into being powered by some other demon
>>156131277More likely, he just keeps the powers but is no longer beholden to Mephisto on a metaphysical level.
>>156121127So how many planes of existence Doom has ruled?
>>156132022at least three
>>156128007They lie as easily as they rape children.
>>156132797And all of them involve Spider-Man getting something out of it...
>>156134390Doom to Richards: "Fuck you!"Doom to Dr. Strange: "Fuck you!"Doom to Mephisto: "Fuck you!"Doom to Spider-Man: "You're cool."Doom to Tony Stark: "And fuck you!"
>>156130851It basically brought the worst of OMD back to the forefront by making it seem likePeter anf MJ were about to get together, only for them to pull the rug with the awful plot that introduced Paul and then forced a relationship with MJ.
>>156134682Pretty much. People were perfectly willing to let OMD go as long as Peter and MJ were back together. Then they fucked with that, and now they're having to pull OMD.
>>156133354We should ask Gwenschizo if raping children is actually easy.
>>156134775I hate that Polack so much. He's caused me to be racist against Polish people.
>>156128174>X-Coffee ShopThat actually sounds like a hilarious premise under good writing
>>156128119616 needs a clean up. From Avengers Disassembled to now
>>156134682What happened? I didn't read it. I'm just finding out about this guy now. A manbun hipster who cucks Peter? What the hell? I'm glad I stopped reading Spider-Man as a teenager right after OMD because this is some fucked up humiliation ritual.
>>156135236I’m 99% sure that Paul flopping so badly is what prompted them to finally throw up their hands and end OMD.
>>156135253Is there some bigger context to this? From what I'm gathering, Peter and MJ were in a relationship, then time dilation happens and instantly she's fucking some other dude and then this other dude starts beating Peter up and sending him money out of pity? Is this real? Was the reaction on /co/ as hilarious as I'm imagining it to be? How could Marvel have thought this was a good idea? I feel bad for missing out on it since the last time I even tried to read Spider-Man was during the Superior days when it wasn't actually Peter.
>>156135253>Is there some bigger context to this?Putin wants be to be a nukechad in 616. Because being a nukechad is a chad thing, Paul, Mephisto, and Poland became a jobbers.
>>156135391Oh no, no, Peter plays out the stalker first having rescued stockholm syndrome MJ from another dimension where 4 years passed, THEN Paul becomes the better man paying out his hospital debt (they never explained how a multiverse illegal alien was loaded), but otherwise yes, israel. Sorry, it's real, his surname is Rabin you see. MJ turns around in a heated moment and tells Peter the way Paul felt guilty (over assisting his father genocide his entire universe) reminded her of a certain someone. Not even making this up.Nothing will happen by the way. Nothing will ever happen. You're all fools for thinking otherwise.
>>156135521Paul Rabin is the probably the first Israeli in Marvel comics to ever be buried as a christian.
>>156135236After everything that happened with Kindred, Peter and MJ were dating again and about to move in together. And then, either at the end of that very same issue or the very next, some asshole appeared in the room and teleported MJ away to the Paul dimension and was apparently stranded for years or something, and fucking dumped Peter. Ever since Peter has been living the life of a perpetually kicked puppy, pretty much every friendship he had outside of Robbie blowing the fuck up for no god damn reason, with this Ravage shit topping the cake.
>>156135391>>156135521>>156135741Also Paul accidentally triggered a mass genocide on his own Earth, wiping out every single man, woman, and child on his planet save for him, out of reckless greed.This is just like how Peter didn’t stop the thief who killed Uncle Ben, so we should feel bad for Paul.
Aunt May will die but it'll look like Peter was entirely responsible for the incident when Cormac Crane walks in at the wrong time and moment. This will increase his hatred of Peter 9/11 x 10000000
>>156120591Here's the real question. Will this make Spider-Man stories good?
>>156135925I have no idea who this is. I'm only here because I heard they retconned OMD, but I guess they didn't. I ACTUALLY stopped reading Spider-Man after OMD, unlike the tortured cucks who kept reading and proving editorial right. I've only enjoyed one Spider-Man comic since, and that was the one where he teaches chemistry to cavemen and Wolverine shoots Doom the living planet with the Phoenix in gun form.So, why is Superboy Prime raping Peter?
>>156136101Cormac is Aunt May and Uncle Ben’s long lost son, who has memory altering powers. He used those powers to erase Aunt May’s memories of Peter because he’s jealous that Peter got a life with his parents and he hadn’t.
>>156136045No, instead you'll get Peter and MJ being a Reddit quirk chungus couple (with Peter letting MJ sleep with other men because he respects women's rights)
>>156136194>scrape>scrape>scrape
>>156136206And that's assuming they'll even get back together in the first place.
>>156136194But Peter is Aunt May's son.
Like I can understand raising the kids and the fact this was apparently her only defense from the thing he caused, but why did MJ need to sleep with him?Does Wells think you just leave a man and a woman alone together for a couple of years they will inevitably fuck? Would MJ fuck those businessmen who spill oil in the gulf from their negligence, if they say they are super sorry?
>>156136101>I'm only here because I heard they retconned OMD, but I guess they didn't.No, the deal is indeed gone, but it's going to take longer for the two of them, and Marvel as a company, to decide what their relationship is even going to look like going forward after all this time fucking around with the stupidest shit imaginable prior to this.But there's no more "muh deal" hanging over the comics.
>>156136259They're married and have kids. How is that hard?
>>156136257Paul was literally the last man on Earth, MJ gave up on being rescued after about three years because she didn't know about the time dilation, also Paul Rabin's evil math wizard dad was also influencing her with magic to get into a relationship with his son for reasons we don't understand, because he needed to sacrifice MJ in order to ascend to godhood, for reasons we don't understand.
>>156136273They want to at least build a story around the fallout and reconciliation instead of poofing them back together instantaneously. Because they still need to sell comicbooks.
>>156136303>They want to at least build a story around the fallout and reconciliationThat's way too optimistic.
>>156136328Well, the other alternative is that they want to do the absolute bare minimum to win people back after the Paul Saga managed to even worse than the Clone Saga, so they'll annul the deal but still keep them apart because of stupid bullshit.But at the very least, they'll have to figure out what that stupid bullshit is even supposed to be, because they can no longer use "muh Mephisto" as an excuse ever again.Regardless of what happens next, the OMD deal had to be shitcanned, in order for anything to be able to happen at all.
>>156136257If you hop on Reddit and talk to people about this, yes, plenty think that two people alone together will end up having trauma sex and it's so heckin' valid. >>156136328Something's going to come of it at this point. It might be shit, but they're clearly not waking up in the same bed with rings on their fingers come June. They'll have a lot to process. The drama might actually get people to buy the book.Or, Kelly will just fridge it all until he's off the book. Or, we're going to get Secret Wars 3.0 and rebooting the universe. So, OMD will have ended, but in a brand new 616, they'll still be apart.
>>156136288>Paul was literally the last man on EarthBecause of him. Those piles of dead corpses she could smell were because he was a bad son who exploited and delegated care of his mentally ill gifted father. She never holds him to account and bafflingly compares it to Peter, she should have been shipped to a deprogrammer.>MJ gave up on being rescued after about three years because she didn't know about the time dilationPaul did. He explicitly knew, and he also had to have known considering this was his field. Out of universe the writers forgot, in-universe one must assume he intentionally kept that knowledge in the hopes of breaking her down and getting into her pants by isolation.>also Paul Rabin's evil math wizard dad was also influencing her with magic to get into a relationship with his son for reasons we don't understandWhich is rape, if the manchildren actually making these comics did more than spellcheck, they would have realized the 'chains' line is the same field as Marcus Immortus. It also doesn't explain why she stayed with him after, other than trauma bonding with your rapist. But none of this is brought up or taken seriously, the Spoffice are in willful denial of the story they made because they don't want to have done another Carol. So they make these MJ's choices she made despite how radioactive they are.>because he needed to sacrifice MJ in order to ascend to godhood, for reasons we don't understand.Thank you Wells, and kill Kamala as you bow out.It's a good summary anon, it's just such a fucking mess and they don't treat it honestly.
>>156136434>Something's going to come of it at this point.We already know there's going to be fallout, and Marvel is about as sick of people bringing up Paul as we are of ever having had him around in the first place.
>>156136367>in order for anything to be able to happen at all.Sure, but that's assuming the Spider-Man editorial wants anything in Peter's life to change (for the better), which they haven't shown any indication of. They teased ASM 1000 as 'changing Spider-Man forever' and it was basically just May magically losing her memories of Peter to a FOTM villain who's only special because he's Ben and May's son and Peter's cousin. Odds are May's memories will return after this arc with Cormac wraps up.>>156136434>Something's going to come of it at this point.Again, I doubt it. Especially since keeping Peter and MJ separated is one of their sacred cows.
>>156136460One More Day is basically being killed to appease fans who are still upset about Paul and not having any alternative to flock to anymore like Ultimate Spider-Man. It's a very 'break glass in case of emergency' scenario here.
>>156136460Their funny haha take that fans got turned around and started hurting them in the wallet. And it's going to linger for a long while.Anything that can actually break gottahavemyspidey mentality is a hell of a thing.
>>156136486I believe the 'deal' will be gone in the same way Joe Q actually thought Mephisto was outsmarted in OMIT.Wherein through some nonsense legalese Marvel will say the deal is gone, but the consequences of it will remain, so in effect they get everything they wanted anyway.
>>156136479>Again, I doubt it. Especially since keeping Peter and MJ separated is one of their sacred cows.Well, One More Day was also one of their sacred cows, to the point that they sabotaged Spencer's run for the sake of preserving it. Now it's being shitcanned.Zeb Wells, by fucking up as badly as he had, did more to change the book than even Nick Spencer. Entirely by accident.
>>156136499>I believe the 'deal' will be gone in the same way Joe Q actually thought Mephisto was outsmarted in OMIT.Given the fact that the comics are still acting is if the Mephisto deal had always been in place, I'm pretty sure Joe Q was just trying to appease people without ever following through it in the comic.
>>156136507Quesadilla and his faggot orbiters only like OMD because it kept Peter and MJ separate, even with OMD undone they'll still keep them apart.
>>156136538They have no idea how to do it without OMD. OMD was literally just a hail mary, contrived deus ex machine, brute force option of last resort. They knew it was retarded then, they *all* know it was retarded now, but they're convinced it was a necessity. It was bitter medicine, to tell the truly *great* stories that awaited the book once the Evil Marriage was gone.Great stories like the Paul Rabin saga, for example. While preventing BAD stories like Ultimate Spider-Man 2.0, Marvel's most successful book for two consecutive years while effortlessly selling more than the mainline.Now daddy Disney is putting its foot down, and shipping them over to Burbank to be babysat and given a lot more scrutiny, because they know they're leaving money on the table. It's not a coincidence that this is happening after the biggest editorial shakeup since Marvel's bankruptcy in the 90's. Something had to give.They're not about to introduce something even more retarded just minutes after shitcanning the most retarded possible story they thought they could reasonably get away with, and actually couldn't.
>>156136597All was summarized anon, but you forget one crucial fact of comics.Never underestimate how retarded Spoffice is.
>>156136626>well summarizedApologies anon
>>156136597>They have no idea how to do it without OMD.Doesn't mean they'll set Peter and MJ on the path of becoming a couple again. This is still Marvel we're talking about, they will literally choose to be retarded over having Peter and MJ get back together (or even just making Peter act his age, dude is pushing 30).
Brevoorts medicine is arsenic, and I would like the medieval doctor to stop treating my headaches with it now please.
>>156136626>Never underestimate how retarded Spoffice is.Right, but, it'll still take them a while to try something. They're not that creative either.It's going to be at least a decade before they ever try to shove MJ into any relationship that isn't Peter Parker. RIP Bobby Carr and Pedro the Firefighter, Paul poisoned their entire well.
>>156136660She might get with Flash or Tony but their chances of being MJ's next boyfriend are iffy at best.
>>156136644>Doesn't mean they'll set Peter and MJ on the path of becoming a couple againThere doesn't seem to be anywhere else for the story to go, and Joe Kelly is already subtly pushing Raelith out while pulling MJ back in. He may not like the pairing, but at a certain point you have to realize you're not a fucking rockstar and you actually have to give people what they want. If people only read your book to get angry about it, they can do it just as easily by pirating scans of it online. People will only buy what they actually want to see more of.
>>156136660Did Slott have Peter peeping on Bobby having sex with MJ through a window taking pictures? Or am I having a fever dream?
>>156136674Tony's ass is going to jail, MJ is still bonded to a Symbiote, and Flash is bonded to an Anti-Symbiote that runs the risk of killing MJ's Symbiote if they even so much as hug for too long.
>>156136683The problem is that you're thinking rationally from a storyteller's perspective about this, if you were an egotistical boomer/Gen Xer who works for a corporate enterprise dedicated to milking IPs as much as possible and who also thinks he's hot shit who can do no wrong, then your perspective might be different.
>>156136703No that actually happened. Peter was trying to make money doing tabloid shit for the Bugle, and was taking pictures of them fucking.At least Bobby was a piece of shit, and MJ eventually realized he was nothing but a narcissistic degenerate junkie. Paul, meanwhile, could walk on water despite the genocide.
>>156136742NTA but I'm pretty sure he didn't know it was her at the time.
>>156136738Which is why I think Disney firing Marvel's President, Vice President, Editor in Chief, and relocating the entire operation to Burbank despite the company being firmly entrenched in New York for decades, really punctured a lot of inflated egos. We still haven't seen the full fallout of all this. More old people are going to be leaving, and more people are going to be coming in, over the next few months. We're still wrapping up Cebulski's leftovers, whatever Wacker has in mind for the books probably won't be in effect until whatever 1 Day is in June.
>>156136775Wacker's an OMD true believer, though.
>>156136742Christ that's sleezy. That's Byrne writing Superman and Barda in a porno levels of spite, but at least that got stopped before it went anywhere.I've yet to read a woman under Slotts pen who was better for it.I mean it's better than Wells, but that bar is pushing Morlocks to the floor.
>>156136753Maybe. He destroyed the photos anyways because as desperate as he was, this whole thing was just far too scummy for him.
>>156136796How the fuck was Slott not stopped from writing this plot?
>>156136788Wacker hasn't been in comics in a long time, and when he was with Marvel he was a rank and file editor. He's obliged to not shit-talk his bosses publicly and be a good company man. Spencer's run was completely screwed over because he tried too hard to push back against OMD under Cebulski's tenure, for example. Now he's got a new job, and saw the previous Editor in Chief get fired because Cebulski and Alonso before him weren't good for much beyond being Joe Quesada cultists. It's entirely possible Wacker concluded 'ooga booga, if I pander to fans more I'll keep my job.'
>>156136840Wacker downplayed and laughed off the pretty blatant sexual assault and sleeze in Superior, so my hopes aren't high.
>>156136805They really wanted the audience to hate MJ, and diminish her as much as possible. Spencer's run screwed that up for them, and when they brought in Zeb Wells to "correct" things, the idiot flew far too close to the sun. People who were willing to tolerate the shit that Slott did under the assumption that things would be fixed "eventually" thought they finally had it under Spencer, and then Marvel pulled the rug out from under them and basically knifed them all in their collective back with Paul. That's why a now twenty year old story is getting pulled now, when everyone seemed to be entirely willing to finally let it slide when Spencer's run happened. They ruined their own attempt at a compromise option, now it's death to OMD, and marriage or bust as far as the readership is concerned.
>>156136859Wacker was still editing for them at the time.
>>156136918That's my point, he should have neutered the worst excesses of Slott at his worst trolling and sleezy moments.
>>156136706Not defending anything here, but Tony's obviously going to not be in jail *yet* given that he's in at least issue #2, and she doesn't have the symbiote anymore. She and Flash are the only two "anti-symbiote" holders we know of at this point, so they have something in common.
>>156136940He should've, yeah. Now Slott is still getting into arguments over CBR as to whether or not Otto was attempting rape by deception on MJ. Much like with Paul, they're their own worst enemies.
>>156136963Still sloppy how Flash for whatever reason is the first person she wants to tell about her new production company.I get the out of universe reason is Peter will be the last issue, because we have to use things audience wants as treats not the basis of how we do stories, but it's sloppy. Nothing about the preview is giving me hope, and that art is manface city.>>156136966He really just needs to throw in the towel and admit he fucked up here like he did with Silk. I would respect him far more if he did that, and said please just ignore those kiss pages and skip to where Otto breaks up with her.It's odd how that's the straw that broke the camels back, it's so obviously fetishy but at least both parties were a victim to the circumstances he wrote.
>>156136963Tony getting a single issue in a placeholder miniseries isn't enough to form a long-lasting relationship. Especially since Marvel's hellbent on pairing him with Emma Frost, which is far more cancerous.>she doesn't have the symbiote anymoreIt's entirely possible that Eganrac/Fang doesn't qualify as a Symbiote and that it's immune to Anti-Venom. But we don't know for sure, and I'm not even surge if MJ needs Fang to stay alive anymore after Paul's retarded invention kills her. Either way, a single issue in a miniseries isn't enough to make her and Flash an item, especially since she's on record under Ewing saying that she doesn't see Flash that way regardless of how Flash might see her. Even Paul had to stick around for a *while* to make anything official, which was bad, because Paul was also boring as fuck.
>>156137038>Still sloppy how Flash for whatever reason is the first person she wants to tell about her new production company.I think she presumed Peter was too busy at the time with Cormac's inane bullshit to tell him about it first. And I mean, that definitely wasn't the right time to tell Peter about it.They're going to be in limbo for a while. MJ's going to be dealing with more mundane stuff, while Peter's going to get run ragged both in his own book and leading the New New Avengers simultaneously.
>>156137081It's probably a given that when Peter finds out about the Mephisto deal, he's going to tell MJ about it too. I say probably because Marvel likes to be retarded.
>>156137081That's a good damn reason anon, you should be writing this.Instead it's just not mentioned why.
>>156137097>peter finds out and doesn't feel worthy of MJ so keeps it to himself and moves onThis is just the kind of retarded thing nuPeter would pull under their pen.
>>156137038>Still sloppy how Flash for whatever reason is the first person she wants to tell about her new production company.Oh, I totally agree. After the controversy about their relationship and everything over the past year or two, he should NOT be the first appearance in the book. It's definitely sloppy.>>156137065>Tony getting a single issue in a placeholder miniseries isn't enough to form a long-lasting relationship.I don't think anything really romantic will happen in this whole mini, much less with Tony. I was just pointing out that he's not really going to be in jail yet. I also doubt that FNMJ is even going to address that Peter/Spider-Man is leading the Avengers.
>>156137099Presumably Ashley Allen really only knows the bare details, which is also why Felicia didn't tell MJ that Ben Reilly was running around and impersonating Peter in Black Cat. Because G Willow Wilson didn't have all the details either.
>>156137122>Oh, I totally agree. After the controversy about their relationship and everything over the past year or two, he should NOT be the first appearance in the book. It's definitely sloppy.It could be an opportunity to pull the plug on any MJ/Flash speculation definitively by just having MJ friendzone Flash hard at the end of issue 1.
>>156137140They really like to just let their female writers work on the radioactive with no guide don't they?
>>156137162That's the only explanation I have for whatever the Jackpot and Black Cat miniseries ended up being.
>>156137179Those pages with the kids are some of the most cynical things I've ever seen put to print, especially with how it turned out.Has Wilson worked on anything else? I put her in the same place as JMS for Sins Past being put in an impossible position to write for because Spoffice has many decades of stupid evil to its name.
>>156136101Superboy Prime is a massive fanboy of Peter (implied to be his #2 behind Supes) and would rape the Spider-Man editorial team.
>>156137140>which is also why Felicia didn't tell MJ that Ben Reilly was running around and impersonating Peter in Black Cat.I've pretty much assumed that everything in Black Cat #1-10 happened before Felicia even talked to Ben. It's not like it's a long storyline, she mentions it's been a long week when she sleeps with Chandra, and VenoMJ's cameo doesn't look like it's anything more than a day (without the whole Siege Perilous thing).>>156137158>It could be an opportunity to pull the plug on any MJ/Flash speculation definitively by just having MJ friendzone Flash hard at the end of issue 1.One would hope. But, I have a feeling they still want to draw the Flash drama out for... reasons. If anything, just to keep MJ away from Peter for a little longer. They're running out of reasons to keep Peter and MJ apart outside of just outright having her say she doesn't love him anymore, he's moved on to Raelith, or he can't fathom dating anyone at all because of what's going on in his life.
>>156137288What you have to understand is Nick seems to think the point of Superhero romance is about getting the most kisses.
>>156137206>Has Wilson worked on anything else?She was the main Ms. Marvel writer, has a 50 issue Poison Ivy series over at DC, and is soon writing the Captain Marvel ongoing. She's also a writer outside of comics. So, she's done a lot.She loves writing lesbians though, despite being a converted Muslim. I think Marvel really just wanted her to write representation for Felicia, not muck things up in anything actually going on with Spider-Man. Felicia's so far gone from being a romantic interest for Peter with everything going on, that it makes sense they pointed her in a new direction.
>>156137288>But, I have a feeling they still want to draw the Flash drama out for... reasons.At best he's framed as a romantic false lead. But they're not going to try for a Paul 2.0 so soon after all the havoc Paul caused them.
>>156137340These guys know to cool it with the false leads and the usual bad romance cliches when things have run aground right?You don't just bring in a more milquetoast replacement and start the cycle anew right after the last one went caput?Just offer Tobin any money to come in and fix this shit in a few pages. I would give my pinkies for a Tobin ASM run.
>>156121237I don't understand what they are even teasing with this
>>156137340I've said this in multiple Spider-threads and other places online, but I'm still not certain that writers/editorial/Marvel get what made Paul so unpopular. That it's just character design or aversion to someone "new." What I think is happening is that certain people are saying "oh, Flash has become popular with the fanbase over the years, so they won't reject this relationship like they did Paul, because there's history!"Meanwhile, they miss that Peter bending over backwards to tell MJ how much her new boyfriend is better than he ever could be, while she continues to make him sad, is the problem.
>>156137487They are hollow shells of their former selves.
>>156137487They honestly believe that Peter being a pathetic loser without any confidence or self-esteem is what the fans want to read.
>>156137684That's not what made him popular though, compare him at his comic books height to now.
>>156137487Nah, they know why Paul was so hated, they're just trying the good old 'enrage to engage' tactic again with Flash. It won't work, of course, but that's their modus operandi.
>>156137694Obviously, but these clowns don't understand Spider-Man at all.
>>156123995What the fuck, Matt is cucking Rhodey?
Bros, I just had a dream where I was looking at an X-Men group drawing and someone was saying "this is a rare piece of early concept art where Wolverine has *three* claws on each hand". It blew me away, then I woke up just now and went "hang on a minute..."
>>156137340Did sales actually drop or was it just people complaining online?
>>156140334It's so hard to determine now because unless they boast the sales numbers themselves, as Absolute is so happy to do, we're all just looking at reeds and tea leaves at a very small sample size of comic shops.What we do know for a fact is White said having Paul in your comic decreases sales. In every comic he was in that wasn't carried by the ASM spiderdrones, it crashed and burned. God knows why you keep something like that twice as long as CS, but we're working on Lowe logic.
>>156137340>inb4 Tony Revolori self announcement to distance himself away from Paul Rabin like what Eman Esfandi did.
How can Paul be a vegan and have a famous "chicken korma" the more I read about this guy the funnier it gets. It reads like a parody of millenial manbun hipsters but its apparently played straight. Was he a self insert of someone?
>>156140993The Wells run is bitter divorced man energy, the run. With characters as expies for his issues.You know add that recent comment by Chip abou that no fictional relationship lasts, the recent JMS comic about how true love is bullshit and they have wandering eyes and Wells. There is a general anti-romance hegemony in Marvel that permeates.Then compare that to DC.
>>156136683They can put MJ and Peter together and then just break up again
>>156141388Wells really broke the covenant of trust between audience and creator.
>>156141399Oh grow the fuck up already
>>156141418Hey Wells, how's the divorce?
>>156141418How'd that mystery box go bud?Everyone liked it?
Does anyone actually want current MJ and current Peter to be together? You can't unsuck 2 decades worth of cocks.
